Justin Burgwinkel

[DALLASTEXAN!!]

Originally Posted by refinedsugar

A lot of talk gets made about family, friends, superiors and co-workers spotting people in these situations and getting them the help they need. The reality of it is many times people in bad spots slip thru the cracks and even when they don't sometimes they won't listen and you can't force them to get the help they need.

yes that is true. that is exactly why the military services owe it to their people to try their best to help take care of them. military service is inherently difficult. and there is a disconnect between the military population and the civilian population, yet people who serve are merely a reflection of the civilian population. the services can provide help, create regulations, and do a lot to provide mental health, but nothing will stop suicide. that is why I struggle watching a lot of the sensationalism that is presented on UM (as it regards to military service).

as for Justin I do not know what if anything could have been done to prevent him from disappearing. I can only speculate and I do think that he committed suicide.

[refinedsugar]

I agree wholeheartedly with you that the military could be doing more to help it's people. The sensationalism you talk about is what makes these particular cases entertaining to the average Joe. Why people see them as murder, conspiracy and cover-up rather than the reality of suicide.

[Labonte18]

I just want to go back to something at the start of this topic.. Yep, recalling an almost 20 year old post..

The part about the "DoD" search.

Look.. That could have been anything, up to and including someone at Ft Shafter in Hawaii just reading about the case and searching his name. Might have been someone who was in school with him out in Korea and was trying to find him.. Lord only knows.

While I'm with many of you thinking suicide.. Again.. Let's not discount his age and the fact that things like schizophrenia manifest around his age. And, that COULD fit here. Perhaps his 'crazy stories' weren't ENTIRELY fiction.. They were true in his head? The seeming obsession with the briefcase might also fit in with that theory?

[refinedsugar]

Sometimes true crime fans go too far down the rabbit hole. This talk about the DoD and this random website is bonkers and the point you're trying to make is lost on me. Something conjured up in the mind of someone who's unwell or lost in fantasy doesn't make them reality and the end result for Justin remains the same. A theory of mental illness doesn't provide any leads or make the case more compelling.

[Labonte18]

Originally Posted by refinedsugar

Sometimes true crime fans go too far down the rabbit hole. This talk about the DoD and this random website is bonkers and the point you're trying to make is lost on me. Something conjured up in the mind of someone who's unwell or lost in fantasy doesn't make them reality and the end result for Justin remains the same. A theory of mental illness doesn't provide any leads or make the case more compelling.

It's not lost on you. You even point out WHY it's important to understand it in another post..

Rewatching this segment - knowing what you do about the mother - definitely paints this segment in a different light

[refinedsugar]

You're reaching big time. My comment about a missing girl and the mother's involvement which wasn't disclosed in UM's segment is facts and evidence. Not an unsubstantiated theory of mental illness. I'm simply trying to tell you this notion doesn't advance the case or present things in a new light. I'm not saying it isn't possible.

[Allierain]

Originally Posted by refinedsugar

I just watched this segment again. He could have easily put a friend up to it, but I now wonder if the "mission's off" phonecall to his gf wasn't Justin himself.

That's a very good point. Or since he was out without his gf, he could have said to a friend "here's $50 to call my girl and just tell her the mission is off." Friend might have shrugged and just done it. Although I would have thought if that was the case, the friend would have come forward and admitted the call was a hoax. It very easily could have been Justin himself though it makes me wonder how Yolanda wouldn't know Justin's voice well enough to recognize it.

[Rayroy]

I have to ask something. Why do you guys believe anyone who posts here that they know or knew Bullwinkle, that they are his relatives or whatever? Is it because they said it? That makes it true? You have no evidence and these alleged friends and relatives made 1 to 5 posts and disappeared. How about this? I am Justin Bullwinkle. Now believe me. Secret squirrel indeed.

Why do you believe anything the girlfriend or the mother say when you have no verification and you don't know why they are saying it? The mother did something really weird in the beginning, besides not being all that sad that her son disappeared, sounding more like she was speaking of a restaurant in the neighborhood rather than her "missing" son. She says, "I don't know if he ran away from the army." and then pauses for a couple of seconds then looked up and to the left before wondering if he was kidnapped ending with a weird smirk. This was some seriously odd behavior. My gut says he ran away from the army. From what I know about narcissists is one thing they do when they want to admit something without admitting it is they preface what they say with "I don't know" with the rest of it.

She and her son are narcissists and you usually get that when the narcissist is a male, there was a narcissistic mother there.

What I get from all this is that Justin was making everything up to impress his girlfriend. We don't know their relationship. She might have told him he was a loser or whatever and he made everything up to impress her to hide he was a failure. He was not smart as so many "friends" and "relatives" here have claimed. What he did was give the illusion he was smart by talking a lot of crap. Once you learn this type of person properly, you can spot it in seconds. Look at most politicians. They have their schtick set up when they are asked an unexpected question, or one that makes them have to go deeper than their schtick allows, they run away, accuse the other person of racism or sexism, whatever and then run away (fake it until you make it). I see it in his eyes in the pictures. He is a narcissist. Narcissists basically have the mind of a 5-year-old in an adult body. They talk a lot of crap and when the time comes to pay for the meal, they run away. He reminds me of so many people who talk crap saying they want to be parents, but have zero desire for the responsibility of being a parent. They just want to say they are parents for the attention and virtue. The dude was a freaking cook. He probably couldn't make a killer dessert let alone be a killing militant. Maybe he should have told his girlfriend he was a militant chef.

People. He set up his escape. He allegedly told the broad that if his dog tags are found without him it means he's dead. He did not commit suicide. He likely went to the middle of the country or left the US and assumed a new name. His mother I feel knew, while helping him and I feel she and the girlfriend did not like each other. The girlfriend was taking her son's attention away from her. He likely realized he could not prove the stories he made up to her and hated being in the army because it was not as fun as he thought it would be, so he ran away. What a child does when they get into trouble.