Banning the Confederate Flag - The Future of TDoH

[Wawwie]

Originally Posted by robyrob

he wasn't "fake quoting you" - he was using an an analogy to demonstrate the glaring inaccuracy of your statement by comparing it to a similar one.

if you are are going to present an argument, be prepared for someone to try and refute it.

He most certainly did fake quote me. OK? I wrote the word CONFEDERATES in my post. When he quoted me, he took out the word confederates and typed in DEMOCRATS himself. That implies that I am the one who typed democrats when I didn't. Understand? If he had a point to make, he could have done it without altering MY quote. Is that more clear now????

[loaferman]

Who said this?
I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

When did General Grant free his slaves??

You government school "historians" need to do more research.

I say ban the movie "Lincoln" not the Dukes.

[Wawwie]

Originally Posted by loaferman

Who said this?
I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

When did General Grant free his slaves??

You government school "historians" need to do more research.

I say ban the movie "Lincoln" not the Dukes.

I'm amazed you're not the President of the United States.

By the way, it is after 9 p.m., I hope you remembered to take your medication before your klan meeting.

[TMC]

http://time.com/3949363/cosby-hazzard-reruns

“If you believe that pop culture matters,” says James Poniewozik, "then it matters even when it’s uncomfortable (and sometimes for the very reasons it’s uncomfortable). The Cosby Show is a legitimate piece of American history. It advanced the representation of black families and culture on TV and–however ugly the irony now–showed a generation of kids an African American dad as a wise, successful father figure. The Dukes of Hazzard is… um, not exactly the same artistic achievement, nor did it ever try to be. But even cheesy TV is a historical document.”

[MichaelKeith]

Loaferman, I believe you make some good points above. I also believe there are some key and core differences between the white and black races, just as there are core differences between most of the races of the world. We may or may not all be created equally, but what we each do with our lives shows that we are not all the same or equal.

It would be interesting if science would study the brains of different races such as white Europeans, Asians, Africans because they would no doubt find chemical and biological differences that account for the behavior of a given race as a whole.

[robyrob]

Originally Posted by Wawwie

I'm amazed you're not the President of the United States.

By the way, it is after 9 p.m., I hope you remembered to take your medication before your klan meeting.

that quote WAS from the President of the United States - Lincoln himself, who was a product of his time, albeit he was ahead of his time. To my knowledge though he was never a member of the Klan.

Yes, General Lee did own slaves and he tortured them and thought of and treated them like animals; his actions were indefensible and reprehensible. This does not mean that he and others like him are synonymous with the Confederate flag, it is a symbol of the south in general; akin to how the American flag is a symbol of the United States as a whole - including the good and bad, and just as many racists and *******s are waving the stars and stripes as are waving the stars and bars, should we ban that flag too?

[Vahan]

George Washington owned slaves, too. Should his monument be torn down?

[loaferman]

Originally Posted by Wawwie

I'm amazed you're not the President of the United States.

By the way, it is after 9 p.m., I hope you remembered to take your medication before your klan meeting.

The man who said that quote WAS President and his name was Abe Lincoln. As to whether or not he took his medication or not I do not know. I do know that on the penny he is facing in the opposite direction of those on other coins - maybe that is why he had a bad night at the play. He should have been looking the other way.

Implying that I am in any way involved with the klan however is indicative of your mentality and shows a lack of comprehension abilities along with a lack of plain common decency on your part.

No wonder you have a problem with other people's freedom to express their heritage. And that heritage had absolutely nothing to do with what a sick young man with evil in him did in 2015.

By the way when did Grant free his slaves?

"Julia Dent Grant came from a slave-owning family and was an apologist for slavery throughout her life and the Civil War. The Grants owned slaves that came from Julia's father and Grant himself was responsible for supervising them. These slaves were not freed until 1865 when Missouri officially abolished slavery."

Funny how he married a woman who was pro-slavery and was responsible for supervising them while he was fighting to free them ain't it?

[loaferman]

The US thought of slaves a 3/5th's of a person. Maybe you want to debate the Union flag since they set the definition.

[loaferman]

Originally Posted by Wawwie

But it IS racist, and there's no denying that. You do understand that the CONFEDERATES were pro slavery? I don't know how you could say THAT is not racist.

The three-fifths clause was not an amendment to the Constitution. It was part of the original text. It appeared in Article One, Section Two, Paragraph Three.


"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. "

"the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode-Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New-York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five, and Georgia three."

This was done in the 1700's. Well before "Confederates" existed. So how can you say that was not "racist" 100 years before there was a Confederacy? It was the US.

[Wawwie]

Originally Posted by loaferman

The man who said that quote WAS President and his name was Abe Lincoln.

I know. And I wasn't talking about YOU, just as you were not quoting yourself. I was being sarcastic about Abe Lincoln. Apparently, it did not "land" with you. I understood you the first time. You didn't have to clarify or insult me.

[loaferman]

Originally Posted by Wawwie

I know. And I wasn't talking about YOU, just as you were not quoting yourself. I was being sarcastic about Abe Lincoln. Apparently, it did not "land" with you. I understood you the first time. You didn't have to clarify or insult me.

You implied klan membership while quoting me and I insulted you?? What about the 3/5th rule in the original text of the US Constitution quoted above. How about some facts??

[Wawwie]

Originally Posted by loaferman

You implied klan membership while quoting me and I insulted you?? What about the 3/5th rule in the original text of the US Constitution quoted above. How about some facts??

I just told you that I wasn't talking about you. You are the one who quoted Abe Lincoln, so I was pretending to respond to Abe Lincoln, not you. Do you understand now?

[loaferman]

Originally Posted by Wawwie

I just told you that I wasn't talking about you. You are the one who quoted Abe Lincoln, so I was pretending to respond to Abe Lincoln, not you. Do you understand now?

I understand what you claim. Doesn't mean I believe it. I think others would agree if they look at you "klan post".

[Wawwie]

Originally Posted by loaferman

I understand what you claim. Doesn't mean I believe it. I think others would agree if they look at you "klan post".

Whatever...... draw your own conclusion. I told you I was being sarcastic.... not my fault if you can't recognize that.