This is great so the episodes will be fresh in your mind when I come here to eviscerate them! :lol:

:rofl: Yes! I even had several "time capsule" moments throughout the season of little moments I SPECIFICALLY remember watching during their "first run" when I was a kid!


:joke: Only Street Urchin, Clooney and Beverly will be victims of my wrath!

:lol: Well, we'll see---you did say you'll be more objective about B.A. this time! :nod: Now you may or may not enjoy her, but I think that's great you'll be watching her with an open mind.


I don't HAVE to, but I want to get it done as quickly as possible because it's become too stressful an experience with all the crap out there. I'm loading up for the whole month so I won't have to go back in there until hopefully June. I prefer to just get it the hell over with asap!

You certainly are a 50-year-old man! :lol:

:joke:

:)

But please leave earlier today so you can get back in time for "The Final Edna Hour!"


What do you mean?! They'll only let ONE person in that's shopping for a household?

Yup!


How do they know the person you're with lives with you or not?!

I dunno! I go in alone! :lol:


Holy crap that's insane! So if you're shopping with someone, they won't allow the other person in with you?!

I don't think it's insane. Hey, the less people around the better, so I'm all for it! :patriot Personally I like that better than if I had to wait my turn in the parking lot for a capacity.


He's a Sun Conure who actually turns 15 in May. His name is Bruce (Petco named him that and I kept it) I've had him since he was 6 months old and he's my little buddy. :lol:

Hey! Hi Bruce! :wave:

I think that's so cool his name is Bruce because that's a "Mama's Family" name! :D Bruce Jackson is one of Mama's sons-in-law, the husband of her elder daughter (Mary) Ellen Harper Jackson, played by Betty White on MF and in the "Family" sketches on "The Carol Burnett Show".*

*Note of potential interest: On TCBS, the had THREE names for Ellen's husband! First he was "Tom", then he was "Arthur", then he was "Bruce", and the finally stuck with that one! lol...I find it fascinating we hear/learn some things about him, but he's never shown on screen.

Bruce is very colorful! How cool you two have been buddies for 15 years. :)

I bet he sends out lots of---"tweets"!

😆

:stooges:

Also, that is so cool to get a peek inside of cfr's home!! It looks like there's a big stand-up fan by the TV to help keep you cool on those hot Florida days!

🌬🌫🌫

I'm only looking forward to season 8 because people here say it's better than 7 and since I pretty much liked 7 overall, that tells me i'm probably going to love season 8.

I hope you do. I found season 8 to really showcase the core fours friendship. They also show the life lessons Mrs. Garrett taught them. They're not mean or selfish.

It seems some here have no love for season 7 but as critical as I can be, it really wasn't too bad a season save for a midseason slump with a couple of stinkers, and Mrs. G fading into oblivion. (but that's not the fault of the show since Charlotte of course wanted out).

There's a lot of good episodes in season 7 but overall it wasn't a strong year. The characters didn't seem like themselves in quite a few episodes.

I'm told here that the gang is mostly in stories together for 8 and not separated which i'm definitely looking forward to. I also want to see Beverly from her introduction and how she progresses with the girls as the season goes on. And there's less George Clooney! So lots to look forward to there!

Maybe that's why I like season 8 like the early years. I can't think of any episode in season 8 where one of the girls is going through something and the other three don't care. You'll see that in season 9. They have a tight friendship in season 8.

Tomorrow is the full hour of Mrs. Garret's final departure and Beverly's arrival and it's grocery shopping day so i'm going to do my damndest to get my butt back home by 3pm!!

They actually count how many people can shop in the stores now so if there's more than their magic number, you have to wait outside in a line like the bread lines of 1980's Russia. :lol:

Tell me about it. I actually wait in line before the store opens so I get right in and out. I don't want to be around a lot of people who act carelessly.

I haven't noticed cuts (but then I wouldn't know what i'm missing if I never seen them before!) When I get the complete series i'm going through it all to see if there's anything i've missed.

I wish other hardcore fans were tuning into Antenna TV and could catch any edits and then come here to say "That whole 5 minute scene where Mrs. G has a heart to heart talk with <insert girls name> is missing!" :lol:

I have Antenna TV on right now. I'm going to watch today's episodes and let ya know what's missing.

What, you HAVE to grocery shop on Thursdays??? :lol:

Where I live, Tuesday's and Thursday's are senior citizen shopping days. Maybe it's like that where cfr lives only on Monday's, Wednesday's, and Friday's? Or maybe it's like here and he likes shopping with old people ;)

Holy crap. In the words of Chandler Bing, "could there BE anymore commercials after the opening credits?" It's been 5 minutes so far ohno:

I wish other hardcore fans were tuning into Antenna TV and could catch any edits and then come here to say "That whole 5 minute scene where Mrs. G has a heart to heart talk with <insert girls name> is missing!" :lol:

Before I start, I'm so glad we don't have to rely on VHS recording to get these episodes. I don't know if anyone learned this when they would record on VHS but when hitting pause because of commercials, there was a time limit on how long it'd stay paused. There's no way it would last with Antenna TV's commercial breaks.

Here are some edits I noticed in their syndicated version of Out of Peekskill.

Edit 1: Tootie’s scene is shorten when Jo asks her what she knows about Bruce.

Edit 2: Mrs. Garrett’s scene with the girls after she wakes up is butchered bad. Blair has some funny lines that were cut before Mrs. Garrett gets up and says she’s going to marry Bruce and go into the peace corp. There are scenes missing from the girls talking as well after Mrs. Garrett walks away like Blair saying, “was it something I said?” It’s a funny moment. Oh look, they at least leave in the flashback scenes of previous episodes uncut. Imagine that ohno:

Edit 3: Jo and Tootie’s scene of packing the suitcase is cut. Tootie shares a memory of Mrs. Garrett entertaining her with sock puppets when she got the mumps her first year at Eastland. Also, Tootie keeps repacking the suitcase and Jo snaps at her. That’s cut too.

Edit 4: Jo’s line making fun of Tootie stealing the flowers from the park is cut.

Edit 5: Natalie’s scene at the beginning of part two is trimmed.

Edit 6: There’s more to the scene with Natalie, Blair, and Beverly Ann after the gift line that is cut. Blair asks what did she get and Natalie stops her. Beverly Ann says she made a mess of things while standing at the door ready to leave.

Edit 7: The girls’ scene with Beverly Ann in the RV is trimmed. Natalie tells Beverly Ann they were mean to her, especially Tootie. Tootie says Natalie and Natalie responds, you were. That’s why Tootie uses the devil and angel analogy.

Edit 8: After Blair jumps, Jo is asked to go. Jo says she can’t because she’s afraid of heights.

Before I start, I'm so glad we don't have to rely on VHS recording to get these episodes. I don't know if anyone learned this when they would record on VHS but when hitting pause because of commercials, there was a time limit on how long it'd stay paused. There's no way it would last with Antenna TV's commercial breaks.

Here are some edits I noticed in their syndicated version of Out of Peekskill.

Edit 1: Tootie’s scene is shorten when Jo asks her what she knows about Bruce.

Edit 2: Mrs. Garrett’s scene with the girls after she wakes up is butchered bad. Blair has some funny lines that were cut before Mrs. Garrett gets up and says she’s going to marry Bruce and go into the peace corp. There are scenes missing from the girls talking as well after Mrs. Garrett walks away like Blair saying, “was it something I said?” It’s a funny moment. Oh look, they at least leave in the flashback scenes of previous episodes uncut. Imagine that ohno:

Edit 3: Jo and Tootie’s scene of packing the suitcase is cut. Tootie shares a memory of Mrs. Garrett entertaining her with sock puppets when she got the mumps her first year at Eastland. Also, Tootie keeps repacking the suitcase and Jo snaps at her. That’s cut too.

Edit 4: Jo’s line making fun of Tootie stealing the flowers from the park is cut.

Edit 5: Natalie’s scene at the beginning of part two is trimmed.

Edit 6: There’s more to the scene with Natalie, Blair, and Beverly Ann after the gift line that is cut. Blair asks what did she get and Natalie stops her. Beverly Ann says she made a mess of things while standing at the door ready to leave.

Edit 7: The girls’ scene with Beverly Ann in the RV is trimmed. Natalie tells Beverly Ann they were mean to her, especially Tootie. Tootie says Natalie and Natalie responds, you were. That’s why Tootie uses the devil and angel analogy.

Edit 8: After Blair jumps, Jo is asked to go. Jo says she can’t because she’s afraid of heights.


Thanks SO much for this!! I mentioned edit #6 in my review because it was so obvious they cut a scene. I was like "where the hell did Beverly go? She was just about to give gifts!" The butchering for that was badly done!!

As for the other stuff....that's WAY too much to be taken out and you figure 5 minutes for each episode so that's 10 whole minutes of the show not seen! Wow. :eek:

So Cloris Leachman gets top billing in the opening credits?! AHHH! I’m sorry, but Lisa Whelchel should’ve been billed first with Cloris taking Nancy M’s last billing and showing “Cloris Leachman as Beverly” I guess Nancy M just HAD to keep that last special billing for herself. I suspect there’s a juicy story about that.

Anyway, as we open, Edna is already long gone and Natalie is typing up the memories in a flashback that we’re about to watch...and even a “flashback within a flashback” as Natalie breaks the 4th wall to tell us. Ha! :lol:

So Edna’s middle name is Ann...and her sister’s name is Beverly Ann….I’d think it’s a safe bet their mother was named Ann lol. Seems that family loves the name!

Edna’s dream was very bizarre and if I didn’t know better, she subconsciously hates or even fears her girls. Why on earth would she dream Blair killed her? And why would she be screaming at them that she’s needed and she wants to live life while they all ignore her? And why is she dreaming of laying in a coffin anyway?! And while Tootie casually files her nails?! So very strange!

Is this what Mrs. G really thinks about the Core Four?! It was the most bizarre scene. And later on when she gave her little speech on the sofa how she loves them all so, I couldn’t help but think about her dream and wonder if she was really thinking “I can’t get away from you bitches soon enough!”

Edna’s soon to be husband is named Bruce just like my bird lol. Good name! And Robert Mandan looks like he aged a whole decade from Three’s a Crowd just a year earlier. He looks like he lost half his hair as well. But he lived a long life and died just 2 years ago, so aging rapidly doesn’t necessarily take off any years lol.

Beverly Ann’s entrance is what made me hate her back when this originally aired. She comes in like a headless chicken with that spiky hair and runs over the minister and ruins Edna’s wedding! The girls all naturally hate her too as a result and ostracize her while they try and console Mrs. G. :smash:

BTW they definitely skipped a scene because one minute Beverly is saying to Blair & Natalie (who both despise her at this point) that she brought gifts and gets up to fetch them. Then we cut to Jo & Tootie on the shop talking to Mrs. G….then it cuts to the living room where they say Beverly left. WHAT?! What about the gifts she got up to give them? :confused:

I guess she went outside for them and never came back in? If so, it wasn’t shown. And later on in the winnebago Tootie tells Beverly how she thought Beverly was there to “Take Mrs. G’s place” HUH?! I thought it was assumed at that point that she was just there for the wedding?! Where was the scene where it's announced Beverly will live with the girls?!


There HAD to be a scene where it’s conveyed that she’s come there to live once Mrs. G exits. Otherwise it’s just automatic that she’s there to live once she walks in the door after running over that minister. Who by the way was taken away by paramedics to the hospital and miraculously arrives at the winnebago on the cliff to continue with the ceremony. Man, that’s the quickest ER visit EVER!

The whole hanging off the cliff scene was weird…..it looked like there was quite the drop from the trailer to the ledge below...yet Bruce was lowering these girls out the trailer like they weighed 10 ounces each! Then after he let go, there was a “thud” after a couple of beats! So they must’ve fallen at least 12 feet down to that ledge and in the next scene all their dresses were still immaculate like they just got back from the cleaners! Surely one of them would’ve twisted an ankle or broke a leg during such a fall?!

And after they all went to the ledge off the trailer, Bruce says to Edna “The ledge gave way” and they couldn’t go down themselves. HUH?!….So the Core Four fell off the cliff?! What?! LOL…..if they were all standing on a ledge, they had to have climbed up to get back on the top of the cliff. And it was way too quick for all 4 girls to make a climb so surely at least 3 of them went splat down below when the ledge gave way!

This is definitely an episode where turning off your brain helps. :lol:

And of COURSE it’s brave Beverly who has to be the first one out to be the hero so the audience can accept and love her as much as we do Mrs. G. Um….NO! NOT happening! I will not be cheaply manipulated like that. Beverly has to earn my appreciation during this season and at this point I do not accept her. :nonono: She reminds me of a nervous poodle lol.

Though to Cloris Leachman’s credit, she acted the part wonderfully. I loved the way she threw out one line. It’s where she was talking to Nat & Blair on the couch about her watching them vicariously growing up via Mrs. G’s letters that she felt like the girls were her children too because “My ex-husband and I never had…..sex.” LOL. You expected that sentence to end with “children” and when she paused, and then said “sex”, it was really a LOL moment and she delivered the line perfectly. So Cloris is good….Beverly BAD! Very BAD! :bash:

Good things I really liked….Mrs. G's chat with Jo in the shop. It was so short but there was a lot there between them and I felt it when Jo thanked her. Also her final goodbye after the wedding….when she spoke to Tootie, it felt the most heartfelt and Kim Fields showed the emotion in her face. I really liked that. :heart:

What I didn’t like was when she got to Blair. I think it was really uncalled for in such a special moment to delve into comedy….Mrs. G is all heartfelt with everyone saying beautiful things about them and how they changed her….and then she gets to Blair….looks at her….and is at a loss for words….”Blair Blair Blair” is all she could say. Really? No, Mrs. G wouldn't have done that. No way.

It was like after 6 years she still saw Blair as the shallow, self involved person who only cares about her charge card. “You taught me not to judge a book by it’s cover. And you have a heart of gold.” I don’t know….I just think it should’ve been more than that I guess. Her words to Tootie, Nat & Jo were much more meaningful in comparison and Blair got the shaft.

But then again, she did dream Blair killed her so there’s definitely some kind of unresolved feelings towards her there! And she tossed the blueberries to Jo to the dismay of Blair. The look on her face afterwards was like, “I wanted it!” :crybaby:

And off Mrs. G went into FOL history...or at least until we see her again 15 years later in the reunion film.

Blair’s hair looks thankfully back to normal again and she looked gorgeous in her dress. Still, she’s the only one of the girls who wears fitted clothing while the other 3 girls are swimming around in hefty bags. It’s so weird.

Anyway, it was a great episode and a good start to the new season, and also one I need to watch on DVD to see all the crap that they butchered out on Antenna TV for their endless Medicare commercials! :mad:

So Cloris Leachman gets top billing in the opening credits?! AHHH! I’m sorry, but Lisa Whelchel should’ve been billed first with Cloris taking Nancy M’s last billing and showing “Cloris Leachman as Beverly” I guess Nancy M just HAD to keep that last special billing for herself. I suspect there’s a juicy story about that.

Well, I mean, she IS Cloris Leachman. She is a Hollywood NAME. She trounces any of those girls! :lol: I mean I get what you mean, but yeah, since she's a NAME and she is taking Mrs. Garrett's position, it seems kinda natural to me she's billed first, since that's where Mrs. Garrett was. The formula has always been old lady first, girls next. :lol:


Edna’s dream was very bizarre and if I didn’t know better, she subconsciously hates or even fears her girls. Why on earth would she dream Blair killed her? And why would she be screaming at them that she’s needed and she wants to live life while they all ignore her? And why is she dreaming of laying in a coffin anyway?! And while Tootie casually files her nails?! So very strange!

Yeah, I always forget about that scene when this episode starts.


Is this what Mrs. G really thinks about the Core Four?! It was the most bizarre scene. And later on when she gave her little speech on the sofa how she loves them all so, I couldn’t help but think about her dream and wonder if she was really thinking “I can’t get away from you bitches soon enough!”

I put no stock in that dream! lol


Edna’s soon to be husband is named Bruce just like my bird lol. Good name!

Yes! I thought of that this morning---wow, your bird has a FOL name and a "Mama's Family"/'The Family" name! What a lucky bird!


Beverly Ann’s entrance is what made me hate her back when this originally aired. She comes in like a headless chicken with that spiky hair and runs over the minister and ruins Edna’s wedding! The girls all naturally hate her too as a result and ostracize her while they try and console Mrs. G.

That IS a BAD way to come onto this show! RUINING something of MRS. GARRETT, whom we all LOVE, and garnering immediate DISLIKE from ALL HER GIRLS---YOWCH! But Cloris will persevere! ("Kelly" did not!)


There HAD to be a scene where it’s conveyed that she’s come there to live once Mrs. G exits. Otherwise it’s just automatic that she’s there to live once she walks in the door after running over that minister. Who by the way was taken away by paramedics to the hospital and miraculously arrives at the winnebago on the cliff to continue with the ceremony. Man, that’s the quickest ER visit EVER!

:rofl:


The whole hanging off the cliff scene was weird…..it looked like there was quite the drop from the trailer to the ledge below...yet Bruce was lowering these girls out the trailer like they weighed 10 ounces each!

Lol!


[CHILDHOOD MEMORY ALERT!]

OMG, cfr, trying being a young child watching this! By this point I was watching FOL on Saturday nights (with "must-sees" like "The Golden Girls" and "227" and "Amen"), and it was SO dramatic when that big trailer was HANGING off of that ciff! :eek: Just ONE little mis-shift of weight, and they would all crash to the ground below! I remember I could barely breathe for them in this scene!


Then after he let go, there was a “thud” after a couple of beats! So they must’ve fallen at least 12 feet down to that ledge and in the next scene all their dresses were still immaculate like they just got back from the cleaners! Surely one of them would’ve twisted an ankle or broke a leg during such a fall?!

:lol:

How about Blair?? They go to get her next, and she'd already jumped out on her own! With nobody noticing??? :rofl: It's funny, but oh-so-unrealistic!


And after they all went to the ledge off the trailer, Bruce says to Edna “The ledge gave way” and they couldn’t go down themselves. HUH?!….So the Core Four fell off the cliff?! What?! LOL…..if they were all standing on a ledge, they had to have climbed up to get back on the top of the cliff. And it was way too quick for all 4 girls to make a climb so surely at least 3 of them went splat down below when the ledge gave way!

Maybe it gave way right after they scrambled up to the "main level", lol.


And of COURSE it’s brave Beverly who has to be the first one out to be the hero so the audience can accept and love her as much as we do Mrs. G. Um….NO! NOT happening! I will not be cheaply manipulated like that. Beverly has to earn my appreciation during this season and at this point I do not accept her. :nonono: She reminds me of a nervous poodle lol.

Yikes! You're hard-core! lol!

(and "Ann"! Beverly Ann! lol)


Though to Cloris Leachman’s credit, she acted the part wonderfully.

Yay! :clap:


I loved the way she threw out one line. It’s where she was talking to Nat & Blair on the couch about her watching them vicariously growing up via Mrs. G’s letters that she felt like the girls were her children too because “My ex-husband and I never had…..sex.” LOL. You expected that sentence to end with “children” and when she paused, and then said “sex”, it was really a LOL moment and she delivered the line perfectly. So Cloris is good

YES!! I've been silent about this line for WEEKS just waiting for you to witness it! "It was nice to think of you all as my children, because Frank and I never had...you know...sex." :rofl: (I paraphrased the first part, but I LOVE that "you know" she puts in the pause, LOL!)


Good things I really liked….Mrs. G's chat with Jo in the shop. It was so short but there was a lot there between them and I felt it when Jo thanked her. Also her final goodbye after the wedding….when she spoke to Tootie, it felt the most heartfelt and Kim Fields showed the emotion in her face. I really liked that.

Yes, LOVED it. I made a "fan-fic" a couple of years ago where I used screen caps of this and of the Lost Girls inserted to show Mrs. Garrett saying goodbye to all 8 of her girls, something which would be a treasure to see. :heart:


What I didn’t like was when she got to Blair. I think it was really uncalled for in such a special moment to delve into comedy….Mrs. G is all heartfelt with everyone saying beautiful things about them and how they changed her….and then she gets to Blair….looks at her….and is at a loss for words….”Blair Blair Blair” is all she could say. Really? No, Mrs. G wouldn't have done that. No way.

It was like after 6 years she still saw Blair as the shallow, self involved person who only cares about her charge card. “You taught me not to judge a book by it’s cover. And you have a heart of gold.” I don’t know….I just think it should’ve been more than that I guess. Her words to Tootie, Nat & Jo were much more meaningful in comparison and Blair got the shaft.

That's interesting, because I find Jo gets the shaft. Mrs. Garrett barely speaks to her: "You taught me to mean what I say!"---that's it! She spends more "time" on the other girls, Blair the most of all (because in part Blair dares interrupt Mrs. Garrett's thoughts by speaking up, lol). To me it feels like she has a sweet moment with the "first three" girls, and she breezes over Jo in 2.5 seconds. Jo's not even my favorite, or even my 2nd favorite, but I feel bad that Mrs. Garrett didn't "shine" on her a little more.

But about Blair, she did say the lesson she learned from her, AND that she had a heart of gold. That's some good stuff there.

You want a sweet moment where there shouldn't be comedy, look at "The Golden Girls" where Dorothy tells Lucas what her roommates taught her. She says meaningful things about Blanche and Sophia, but she gets stuck on Rose---she can't think of anything Rose taught her, then during her kiss with Lucas she breaks it and excitedly says, "A square knot! Rose taught me how to tie a square knot!"---it is funny, yes, but it's not fair to Rose, especially if she's your favorite. They obviously could have written Dorothy to say, "And Rose taught me how to look at the world through the eyes of a child" or "how to see things with the wonder of innocence again", or SOMETHING like that. grrrrr.


But then again, she did dream Blair killed her so there’s definitely some kind of unresolved feelings towards her there!

Oh, cfr!! :rofl:


And she tossed the blueberries to Jo to the dismay of Blair. The look on her face afterwards was like, “I wanted it!”

Well I wouldn't she tossed them "to" Jo, but that Jo caught them. The messy realization was really funny though! lol


And off Mrs. G went into FOL history...or at least until we see her again 15 years later in the reunion film.

Huh? I don't know what you're talking about. There never was a reunion. Just start season 1. :) ( ;) )


Blair’s hair looks thankfully back to normal again and she looked gorgeous in her dress. Still, she’s the only one of the girls who wears fitted clothing while the other 3 girls are swimming around in hefty bags. It’s so weird.

Speaking of the girls' dresses, "#goldengirlsstyle! :lol: Oh those pastels!

What a milestone episode in the series!

Good review cfr, I felt sorta bad for Beverly Ann in the ep myself.

Well, I mean, she IS Cloris Leachman. She is a Hollywood NAME. She trounces any of those girls! :lol: I mean I get what you mean, but yeah, since she's a NAME and she is taking Mrs. Garrett's position, it seems kinda natural to me she's billed first, since that's where Mrs. Garrett was. The formula has always been old lady first, girls next. :lol:




Yeah, I always forget about that scene when this episode starts.




I put no stock in that dream! lol




Yes! I thought of that this morning---wow, your bird has a FOL name and a "Mama's Family"/'The Family" name! What a lucky bird!




That IS a BAD way to come onto this show! RUINING something of MRS. GARRETT, whom we all LOVE, and garnering immediate DISLIKE from ALL HER GIRLS---YOWCH! But Cloris will persevere! ("Kelly" did not!)




:rofl:




Lol!


[CHILDHOOD MEMORY ALERT!]

OMG, cfr, trying being a young child watching this! By this point I was watching FOL on Saturday nights (with "must-sees" like "The Golden Girls" and "227" and "Amen"), and it was SO dramatic when that big trailer was HANGING off of that ciff! :eek: Just ONE little mis-shift of weight, and they would all crash to the ground below! I remember I could barely breathe for them in this scene!




:lol:

How about Blair?? They go to get her next, and she'd already jumped out on her own! With nobody noticing??? :rofl: It's funny, but oh-so-unrealistic!




Maybe it gave way right after they scrambled up to the "main level", lol.




Yikes! You're hard-core! lol!

(and "Ann"! Beverly Ann! lol)




Yay! :clap:




YES!! I've been silent about this line for WEEKS just waiting for you to witness it! "It was nice to think of you all as my children, because Frank and I never had...you know...sex." :rofl: (I paraphrased the first part, but I LOVE that "you know" she puts in the pause, LOL!)




Yes, LOVED it. I made a "fan-fic" a couple of years ago where I used screen caps of this and of the Lost Girls inserted to show Mrs. Garrett saying goodbye to all 8 of her girls, something which would be a treasure to see.




That's interesting, because I find Jo gets the shaft. Mrs. Garrett barely speaks to her: "You taught me to mean what I say!"---that's it! She spends more "time" on the other girls, Blair the most of all (because in part Blair dares interrupt Mrs. Garrett's thoughts by speaking up, lol). To me it feels like she has a sweet moment with the "first three" girls, and she breezes over Jo in 2.5 seconds. Jo's not even my favorite, or even my 2nd favorite, but I feel bad that Mrs. Garrett didn't "shine" on her a little more.

But about Blair, she did say the lesson she learned from her, AND that she had a heart of gold. That's some good stuff there.

You want a sweet moment where there shouldn't be comedy, look at "The Golden Girls" where Dorothy tells Lucas what her roommates taught her. She says meaningful things about Blanche and Sophia, but she gets stuck on Rose---she can't think of anything Rose taught her, then during her kiss with Lucas she breaks it and excitedly says, "A square knot! Rose taught me how to tie a square knot!"---it is funny, yes, but it's not fair to Rose, especially if she's your favorite. They obviously could have written Dorothy to say, "And Rose taught me how to look at the world through the eyes of a child" or "how to see things with the wonder of innocence again", or SOMETHING like that. grrrrr.




Oh, cfr!!




Well I wouldn't she tossed them "to" Jo, but that Jo caught them. The messy realization was really funny though! lol




Huh? I don't know what you're talking about. There never was a reunion. Just start season 1. :)




Speaking of the girls' dresses, "#goldengirlsstyle! :lol: Oh those pastels!

What a milestone episode in the series!

Ack! There's SO much to talk about with this episode, I can't waste my time quoting all that stuff above....it takes me so long to copy/paste those quotes around all the paragraphs. So i'm just gonna answer all here. :lol:

Jo got her own special goodbye with Mrs. G in the shop earlier. Remember when she thanked Mrs. G for all those years? That to me was their special and private goodbye imo.
So when Mrs. G seemed to gloss over Jo in the end, she really didn't because they already had their moment privately as it should be because they do share a special bond different from the others.

When Mrs. G mentions the "secrets" she's kept to all the girls in the living room, she looks towards Jo at that part. I think they had a relationship that went a little deeper than with the other 3 girls, mainly because Jo was the "outcast" when she arrived and Mrs. G took her under her wing.

Speaking of which, I can't wait to see those episodes all over again now!

When Dorothy couldn't think of nice things for Rose, I strongly suspect that was Bea Arthur's veiled hatred of Betty White on display lol. Maybe not....but....possibly?

As for Blair's goodbye with Mrs. G, it left me wanting more. When she paused and just said "Blair Blair Blair"....I would've been like "WTF?" You really can't think of anything?! Yet they show Blair being too dense to understand that Mrs. G is pretty much being insulting. A normal person would've been hurt! But POD Blair has no feelings of course so it goes right over her ditzy, vapid head. Ugh. :rolleyes:

You mentioned earlier I forgot to reply to about watching and it bringing you right back to the moment when you originally saw it. I love how that happens with this show.

There are episodes and scenes that really put me right back in the moment and it's eerie how it feels. It's like suddenly I remember specific details of my bedroom I haven't thought about for years being triggered by the FOL episode and memory of watching it originally.
It's hard to explain. Like I "saw" a bulletin board in my room with a 1977 Yankees ticket on it held to the board with a push pin. I haven't thought of that in DECADES, and suddenly I could see it on that board clear as if I was there right in front of it. It's weird, but this show does that sometimes with certain episodes. :)

I know Cloris Leachman is a big name, but she's coming onto an established show in it's 8th season....back of the opening credits line you go! Mary Tyler Moore & Phyllis mean nothing around here! :lol:

Good review cfr, I felt sorta bad for Beverly Ann in the ep myself.

Thanks Lorimar! I don't feel bad for her. She could've fallen off that damn cliff as far as I was concerned. :lol:

I will give her a chance to earn my respect though! :):wave:

Thanks Lorimar! I don't feel bad for her. She could've fallen off that damn cliff as far as I was concerned. :lol:

I will give her a chance to earn my respect though! :):wave:
:eek:

Ack! There's SO much to talk about with this episode, I can't waste my time quoting all that stuff above....it takes me so long to copy/paste those quotes around all the paragraphs. So i'm just gonna answer all here. :lol:

Hey, it's all good! :lol:


Jo got her own special goodbye with Mrs. G in the shop earlier. Remember when she thanked Mrs. G for all those years? That to me was their special and private goodbye imo.
So when Mrs. G seemed to gloss over Jo in the end, she really didn't because they already had their moment privately as it should be because they do share a special bond different from the others.

Ahh, I never thought of that with this "other scene" they have beforehand.


When Mrs. G mentions the "secrets" she's kept to all the girls in the living room, she looks towards Jo at that part. I think they had a relationship that went a little deeper than with the other 3 girls, mainly because Jo was the "outcast" when she arrived and Mrs. G took her under her wing.

Speaking of which, I can't wait to see those episodes all over again now!

They'll be here before ya know it! :D


When Dorothy couldn't think of nice things for Rose, I strongly suspect that was Bea Arthur's veiled hatred of Betty White on display lol. Maybe not....but....possibly?

Lol! No, no, the women had no input with the writing. Most actors don't. That was all the writers going for a joke there (but, this was in the final season, where for much of the time from season 5 on the new writers went for the cheap joke at the expense of character truth :nonono:)


As for Blair's goodbye with Mrs. G, it left me wanting more. When she paused and just said "Blair Blair Blair"....I would've been like "WTF?" You really can't think of anything?! Yet they show Blair being too dense to understand that Mrs. G is pretty much being insulting. A normal person would've been hurt! But POD Blair has no feelings of course so it goes right over her ditzy, vapid head. Ugh. :rolleyes:

Oh yeah! She does say, "Let me think", doesn't she?? If she does, I'm surprised you haven't mentioned it yet, lol. Yes. Again, going for the cheap joke at the expense of a character. :nonono:


You mentioned earlier I forgot to reply to about watching and it bringing you right back to the moment when you originally saw it. I love how that happens with this show.

Yes, I have that with many beloved shows..."Golden Girls", "227", "Empty Nest", "Amen", "Mama's Family", "The Muppet Show" '80s reruns, and being "raised" on DS and FOL at my grandparents'...


There are episodes and scenes that really put me right back in the moment and it's eerie how it feels. It's like suddenly I remember specific details of my bedroom I haven't thought about for years being triggered by the FOL episode and memory of watching it originally.
It's hard to explain.

I totally get you. :nod:


Like I "saw" a bulletin board in my room with a 1977 Yankees ticket on it held to the board with a push pin. I haven't thought of that in DECADES, and suddenly I could see it on that board clear as if I was there right in front of it. It's weird, but this show does that sometimes with certain episodes. :)

That is so cool! (and yes!)


I know Cloris Leachman is a big name, but she's coming onto an established show in it's 8th season....back of the opening credits line you go! Mary Tyler Moore & Phyllis mean nothing around here! :lol:

:rofl:

(and yeah, of course you knew she's a big name, I was just theorizing out loud, lol)

So Cloris Leachman gets top billing in the opening credits?! AHHH! I’m sorry, but Lisa Whelchel should’ve been billed first with Cloris taking Nancy M’s last billing and showing “Cloris Leachman as Beverly” I guess Nancy M just HAD to keep that last special billing for herself. I suspect there’s a juicy story about that.

Anyway, as we open, Edna is already long gone and Natalie is typing up the memories in a flashback that we’re about to watch...and even a “flashback within a flashback” as Natalie breaks the 4th wall to tell us. Ha! :

So Edna’s middle name is Ann...and her sister’s name is Beverly Ann….I’d think it’s a safe bet their mother was named Ann lol. Seems that family loves the name!

Edna’s dream was very bizarre and if I didn’t know better, she subconsciously hates or even fears her girls. Why on earth would she dream Blair killed her? And why would she be screaming at them that she’s needed and she wants to live life while they all ignore her? And why is she dreaming of laying in a coffin anyway?! And while Tootie casually files her nails?! So very strange!

Is this what Mrs. G really thinks about the Core Four?! It was the most bizarre scene. And later on when she gave her little speech on the sofa how she loves them all so, I couldn’t help but think about her dream and wonder if she was really thinking “I can’t get away from you bitches soon enough!”

Edna’s soon to be husband is named Bruce just like my bird lol. Good name! And Robert Mandan looks like he aged a whole decade from Three’s a Crowd just a year earlier. He looks like he lost half his hair as well. But he lived a long life and died just 2 years ago, so aging rapidly doesn’t necessarily take off any years lol.

Beverly Ann’s entrance is what made me hate her back when this originally aired. She comes in like a headless chicken with that spiky hair and runs over the minister and ruins Edna’s wedding! The girls all naturally hate her too as a result and ostracize her while they try and console Mrs. G.

BTW they definitely skipped a scene because one minute Beverly is saying to Blair & Natalie (who both despise her at this point) that she brought gifts and gets up to fetch them. Then we cut to Jo & Tootie on the shop talking to Mrs. G….then it cuts to the living room where they say Beverly left. WHAT?! What about the gifts she got up to give them?

I guess she went outside for them and never came back in? If so, it wasn’t shown. And later on in the winnebago Tootie tells Beverly how she thought Beverly was there to “Take Mrs. G’s place” HUH?! I thought it was assumed at that point that she was just there for the wedding?! Where was the scene where it's announced Beverly will live with the girls?!


There HAD to be a scene where it’s conveyed that she’s come there to live once Mrs. G exits. Otherwise it’s just automatic that she’s there to live once she walks in the door after running over that minister. Who by the way was taken away by paramedics to the hospital and miraculously arrives at the winnebago on the cliff to continue with the ceremony. Man, that’s the quickest ER visit EVER!

The whole hanging off the cliff scene was weird…..it looked like there was quite the drop from the trailer to the ledge below...yet Bruce was lowering these girls out the trailer like they weighed 10 ounces each! Then after he let go, there was a “thud” after a couple of beats! So they must’ve fallen at least 12 feet down to that ledge and in the next scene all their dresses were still immaculate like they just got back from the cleaners! Surely one of them would’ve twisted an ankle or broke a leg during such a fall?!

And after they all went to the ledge off the trailer, Bruce says to Edna “The ledge gave way” and they couldn’t go down themselves. HUH?!….So the Core Four fell off the cliff?! What?! LOL…..if they were all standing on a ledge, they had to have climbed up to get back on the top of the cliff. And it was way too quick for all 4 girls to make a climb so surely at least 3 of them went splat down below when the ledge gave way!

This is definitely an episode where turning off your brain helps.

And of COURSE it’s brave Beverly who has to be the first one out to be the hero so the audience can accept and love her as much as we do Mrs. G. Um….NO! NOT happening! I will not be cheaply manipulated like that. Beverly has to earn my appreciation during this season and at this point I do not accept her. : She reminds me of a nervous poodle lol.

Though to Cloris Leachman’s credit, she acted the part wonderfully. I loved the way she threw out one line. It’s where she was talking to Nat & Blair on the couch about her watching them vicariously growing up via Mrs. G’s letters that she felt like the girls were her children too because “My ex-husband and I never had…..sex.” LOL. You expected that sentence to end with “children” and when she paused, and then said “sex”, it was really a LOL moment and she delivered the line perfectly. So Cloris is good….Beverly BAD! Very BAD!

Good things I really liked….Mrs. G's chat with Jo in the shop. It was so short but there was a lot there between them and I felt it when Jo thanked her. Also her final goodbye after the wedding….when she spoke to Tootie, it felt the most heartfelt and Kim Fields showed the emotion in her face. I really liked that.

What I didn’t like was when she got to Blair. I think it was really uncalled for in such a special moment to delve into comedy….Mrs. G is all heartfelt with everyone saying beautiful things about them and how they changed her….and then she gets to Blair….looks at her….and is at a loss for words….”Blair Blair Blair” is all she could say. Really? No, Mrs. G wouldn't have done that. No way.

It was like after 6 years she still saw Blair as the shallow, self involved person who only cares about her charge card. “You taught me not to judge a book by it’s cover. And you have a heart of gold.” I don’t know….I just think it should’ve been more than that I guess. Her words to Tootie, Nat & Jo were much more meaningful in comparison and Blair got the shaft.

But then again, she did dream Blair killed her so there’s definitely some kind of unresolved feelings towards her there! And she tossed the blueberries to Jo to the dismay of Blair. The look on her face afterwards was like, “I wanted it!”

And off Mrs. G went into FOL history...or at least until we see her again 15 years later in the reunion film.

Blair’s hair looks thankfully back to normal again and she looked gorgeous in her dress. Still, she’s the only one of the girls who wears fitted clothing while the other 3 girls are swimming around in hefty bags. It’s so weird.

Anyway, it was a great episode and a good start to the new season, and also one I need to watch on DVD to see all the crap that they butchered out on Antenna TV for their endless Medicare commercials!



Hi cfr1970!

I'm really glad you got to watch the final MRS G' s episode, cos that's exactly what i'v been waiting to talk to you about: the farewell moment she has with her girls was very magical, nevertheless when it was BLAIR's turn i was highly CRUSHED and VERY disappointed about how MRS G treated her!!!

Like you said, when MRS G says BLAIR's name 3 times and roll her eyes i wanted to SCREAM!!! How could she treat her like that after she was the one person who TRULY saw her as anything but shallow??? I remember so well, how in the past she'd have those heart to heart talk (lectures too) and tells her about right from wrong, and when the moment to say goodbye comes, MRS G just stares at BLAIR as if it was the first time she saw her?! What an awkward moment and i wanted to shake her hard at this point!!!!

And do you know why it bugged me so??? I was always under the impression that BLAIR was MRS G's favourite: they used to have these 'motherly chemistry' on set, and on the last two episodes from season 6 'Working it out' and 'The interview show' you see all the love and affection MRS G has for BLAIR, so i don't buy it!
To me, that was POD MRS G who was talking to BLAIR, and the real MRS G was somewhere, although that doesn't make any sense since she delivered nice lines to the other girls?:confused:

And the most heartbreaking thing is: you could tell BLAIR was really upset during that awkward moment between MRS G and her, and she looked hurt.

I guess MRS G must have seen the hurt on BLAIR's face, cos she immediately rectifies and says, "oh i know! You taught me not to judge a book by it's cover... On the outside you may seem...."
And then BLAIR answers "Perfect?"
And MRS G smiles "But it's the inside that counts... you have a heart of gold and loves to let it shine....."

I always hung on to those last lines, cos at least MRS G speaks with her heart then (i remember the dialogue so clearly) and you can see BLAIR is pleased in the end...

In a way, i have always tried to BLOCK that final 'awkward' moment between MRS G and BLAIR cos i found it very upsetting, and i don't know what the writers were thinking about it, when WRITING it! (lame writers if i may say boohoo!)

Sorry to go on about it, cfr1970, but i had to get it out of my system, and if i were the WRITER, things like that would have never happened (and certainly not PODS either)!!!!:mad::mad::mad:

:nonono::nonono::nonono:

PS: i could have even sworn, that when MRS G delivers her little speech in the sofa, about how she loves her girls,
"I hope you felt love because you were... very much!" she was looking directly at BLAIR (although she was seating next to TOOTIE and NAT).
I pay good attention to details, and to me her last look was directed toward BLAIR.... (i'll have to watch this episode again cos it's been so long)...

And yes, i also HATED this very bizarre dream: (what were the writers thinking again????) to have BLAIR killing her beloved MRS G???? No way man!!!!

I guess to me FOL really ends after season 6, when MRS G was still loving and warm to her girls, and in many ways, that is why i cherish the early seasons so much more!!!

I remember especially the final episode from season 4 'Graduation', when MRS G has a very tender moment with BLAIR (and JO too actually) when she gives both her elder girls their graduation gifts and says, (to BLAIR) "i can't think of a girl who has grown as much as you Blair... you're sensitive and caring ... and i feel lucky to have you, as my friend...."
Wow! At that moment i was in awe and so were BLAIR and MRS G, who then hug, and then JO says "You're the best Mrs G!"
And another hug!
Now that was a great ending and the REAL MRS G! (not her POD STERPFORD!)

So, what do you say to all that cfr1970? (sorry i didn't mean to write a SOAP OPERA!):lol:

Hi cfr1970!

I'm really glad you got to watch the final MRS G' s episode, cos that's exactly what i'v been waiting to talk to you about: the farewell moment she has with her girls was very magical, nevertheless when it was BLAIR's turn i was highly CRUSHED and VERY disappointed about how MRS G treated her!!!

Like you said, when MRS G says BLAIR's name 3 times and roll her eyes i wanted to SCREAM!!! How could she treat her like that after she was the one person who TRULY saw her as anything but shallow??? I remember so well, how in the past she'd have those heart to heart talk (lectures too) and tells her about right from wrong, and when the moment to say goodbye comes, MRS G just stares at BLAIR as if it was the first time she saw her?! What an awkward moment and i wanted to shake her hard at this point!!!!

And do you know why it bugged me so??? I was always under the impression that BLAIR was MRS G's favourite: they used to have these 'motherly chemistry' on set, and on the last two episodes from season 6 'Working it out' and 'The interview show' you see all the love and affection MRS G has for BLAIR, so i don't buy it!
To me, that was POD MRS G who was talking to BLAIR, and the real MRS G was somewhere, although that doesn't make any sense since she delivered nice lines to the other girls?:confused:

And the most heartbreaking thing is: you could tell BLAIR was really upset during that awkward moment between MRS G and her, and she looked hurt.

I guess MRS G must have seen the hurt on BLAIR's face, cos she immediately rectifies and says, "oh i know! You taught me not to judge a book by it's cover... On the outside you may seem...."
And then BLAIR answers "Perfect?"
And MRS G smiles "But it's the inside that counts... you have a heart of gold and loves to let it shine....."

I always hung on to those last lines, cos at least MRS G speaks with her heart then (i remember the dialogue so clearly) and you can see BLAIR is pleased in the end...

In a way, i have always tried to BLOCK that final 'awkward' moment between MRS G and BLAIR cos i found it very upsetting, and i don't know what the writers were thinking about it, when WRITING it! (lame writers if i may say boohoo!)

Sorry to go on about it, cfr1970, but i had to get it out of my system, and if i were the WRITER, things like that would have never happened (and certainly not PODS either)!!!!:mad::mad::mad:

:nonono::nonono::nonono:

PS: i could have even sworn, that when MRS G delivers her little speech in the sofa, about how she loves her girls,
"I hope you felt love because you were... very much!" she was looking directly at BLAIR (although she was seating next to TOOTIE and NAT).
I pay good attention to details, and to me her last look was directed toward BLAIR.... (i'll have to watch this episode again cos it's been so long)...

And yes, i also HATED this very bizarre dream: (what were the writers thinking again????) to have BLAIR killing her beloved MRS G???? No way man!!!!

I guess to me FOL really ends after season 6, when MRS G was still loving and warm to her girls, and in many ways, that is why i cherish the early seasons so much more!!!

I remember especially the final episode from season 4 'Graduation', when MRS G has a very tender moment with BLAIR (and JO too actually) when she gives both her elder girls their graduation gifts and says, (to BLAIR) "i can't think of a girl who has grown as much as you Blair... you're sensitive and caring ... and i feel lucky to have you, as my friend...."
Wow! At that moment i was in awe and so were BLAIR and MRS G, who then hug, and then JO says "You're the best Mrs G!"
And another hug!
Now that was a great ending and the REAL MRS G! (not her POD STERPFORD!)

So, what do you say to all that cfr1970? (sorry i didn't mean to write a SOAP OPERA!):lol:

I'm glad you saw it too! Mrs. G really was insensitive to Blair and looked like she was at a loss for good parting words for her and it was so strange after all those years together.

Nat, Tooties and Jo get good warm words to them and when she gets to Blair she has to THINK of something?! Mrs. G was not that mean and it showed her in a mean light towards Blair in that moment.

But what gets me even more upset is how they wrote Blair being too dumb ti see that she's being slighted. When Blair says "Perfect?"....That's NOT Blair but POD Blair from seasons past.

REAL Blair would've been serious and shedding tears at saying goodbye forever to Mrs. G who's going around the world to live. Blair wouldn't be smiling like she's looking at diamonds in a Tiffany's window! This is Mrs. G she's saying goodbye to! Where are the tears?! Ugh.

And that dream! If TV wants to cut things out for commercials, then that dream should've been snipped. It was too bizarre and didn't fit in with anything but to make the viewer think Mrs. G is afraid of Blair lol. It was too absurd!

I'm so glad we both agree on this valentina!! Blair deserved much better than what she got! :(:wave:

Oh yeah! She does say, "Let me think", doesn't she?? If she does, I'm surprised you haven't mentioned it yet, lol. Yes. Again, going for the cheap joke at the expense of a character. :nonono:

YES! She does say "Let me think"....It's like she's twisting the knife with those words and poor Blair is in Bootsie/POD mode to understand she's being insulted lol.

I figured it out though and know exactly what was going through Mrs. G's mind when saying goodbye to Blair-----

"So i'm just a LANDLADY to you eh?! Well, you're just "BLAIR BLAIR BLAIR!" to ME! Good riddance you self absorbed bitch!" :lol::lol::lol:

YES! She does say "Let me think"....It's like she's twisting the knife with those words and poor Blair is in Bootsie/POD mode to understand she's being insulted lol.

I figured it out though and know exactly what was going through Mrs. G's mind when saying goodbye to Blair-----

"So i'm just a LANDLADY to you eh?! Well, you're just "BLAIR BLAIR BLAIR!" to ME! Good riddance you self absorbed bitch!"


No way that is way to harsh and very bad writing they had the WRITERS!:eek::

I don't believe for a minute that MRS G H A T E D BLAIR lol no way!!!!!:(:
Remember they make up in the end of 'Working it out?'

I don't know, but the only plausible explanation for me, is that the writers HATED the BLAIR character so much they decided to turn her into a DUMB STEPFORD POD!!!!:confused::confused::confused: (you see what you get from changing writers so often)

Unlike the writers from season 1: they LOVED the BLAIR character so much she became the main one, until JO appeared....

Gosh, it's like 'fresh wounds' in a way: now you understand why i have tried so much to BLOCK the later seasons out of my mind? Sorry, but MRS G's treatment towards BLAIR is very upsetting, and i don't know how the writers could be so INSENSITIVE to make someone act that way towards another person????
To me, FOL after season 6 never existed (like some of the people who say the 'REUNION 2001' never happened):mad::

I mean, what was the point on creating FOL at all, and to have MRS G teach her girls life lessons, if in the end she's gonna act like she HATES one of the girls she called HER GIRL? I just don't understand it? Are we also having POD WRITERS here or what???

:meangya::meangya::meangya:

PS: can you give me an explanation on that one (other than the one you just wrote about revenge) cfr1970

YES! She does say "Let me think"

AHA! I knew it! That makes a big difference that she actually says that. UGH.


and poor Blair is in Bootsie/POD mode to understand she's being insulted lol.

More like in "Sue Ann from 'The Girls' School' mode"---remember?? ;) ("Was I just insulted??")


But what gets me even more upset is how they wrote Blair being too dumb to see that she's being slighted. When Blair says "Perfect?"....That's NOT Blair but POD Blair from seasons past.

I never took that as her being too dumb to see she's being insulted. Interesting. :lookaroun

Ya know, since you've pointed out Mrs. Garrett had kind of a "goodbye" scene with Jo, now I really wish the writers had done what the "Friends" writers did when Rachel left country and had Mrs. Garrett have a solo scene with each of her girls. THAT would have been VERY fitting after having lived and guided her girls for so many years. Maybe Jo in the store, Natalie in the kitchen, Tootie in the bedroom, Blair in the living room. :loveya:

I'm glad you saw it too! Mrs. G really was insensitive to Blair and looked like she was at a loss for good parting words for her and it was so strange after all those years together.

Nat, Tooties and Jo get good warm words to them and when she gets to Blair she has to THINK of something?! Mrs. G was not that mean and it showed her in a mean light towards Blair in that moment.

But what gets me even more upset is how they wrote Blair being too dumb ti see that she's being slighted. When Blair says "Perfect?"....That's NOT Blair but POD Blair from seasons past.

REAL Blair would've been serious and shedding tears at saying goodbye forever to Mrs. G who's going around the world to live. Blair wouldn't be smiling like she's looking at diamonds in a Tiffany's window! This is Mrs. G she's saying goodbye to! Where are the tears?! Ugh.

And that dream! If TV wants to cut things out for commercials, then that dream should've been snipped. It was too bizarre and didn't fit in with anything but to make the viewer think Mrs. G is afraid of Blair lol. It was too absurd!

I'm so glad we both agree on this valentina!! Blair deserved much better than what she got! :(:wave:



You're absolutely right cfr1970 and sorry about the 'extension' on the topic!

REAL BLAIR would definitely have shed tears at MRS G's departure: after all, she had been more of a mother to her than MONICA in all the 7 years they've been living together (from 1979 until 1986) which is why i don't understand at all they're BEHAVIOUR!!!

I'm telling you, we had POD MRS G and POD BLAIR acting there!!!! (but then again, why was MRS G nice to the other 3 girls then)???

This is really THE TWILIGHT ZONE!!!!! So will Rod Serling please come out there and give us the explanation pleaaaase?????

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Whats more: on the 'REUNION 2001' (which i have watched on YouTube ages ago) both MRS G and BLAIR acted like old good friends, as if that 'awkward' farewell moment between them had never happened????
It keeps me wondering if they had changed the writers AGAIN?????

AHA! I knew it! That makes a big difference that she actually says that. UGH.

Yeah. It's like "Let me think, after 7 years living with you and watching you grow from a young girl to a woman if I can think of something nice to say to you when I say goodbye forever. It was just wrong.

And when she does, it's just a tired, overused cliche lol. Blair should've said..."Don't judge books by covers. A heart of gold? After 7 years, all I get is a couple of tired cliches?!" :nonono::nonono::nonono:

She deserved better. But like I said, Mrs. G dreamed Blair killed her just a few hours before so she wasn't getting anything more from her than that. :lol:




More like in "Sue Ann from 'The Girls' School' mode"---remember?? ;) ("Was I just insulted??")

I'll get this more after seeing season 1. :lol:




I never took that as her being too dumb to see she's being insulted. Interesting. :

She was acting with her vapid, self absorbed front that she uses on strangers. This is Mrs. G of all people, who is saying goodbye forever. Remember what she said to Jo in the watch episode in the courtroom.

She was dead serious when she asserted to Jo that those close to her should know she's more than that front she puts out with others. And here she is playing that front with Mrs. G as she's saying goodbye.

When she said "Perfect?" to Mrs. G asking what she is (I forgot the exact quote), but Blair wouldn't have said that to her in such a serious moment. Blair would've been herself with no Bootsie front. Unless this was her way of hiding her pain. I just don't buy it.

Then again, this is just a sitcom and maybe i'm expecting more from it. But I would've liked to have had that scene show a little more depth and weight between Blair & Mrs. G. To me it fell flat.

Jo, Tootie & Natalie got much better goodbyes from her.


Ya know, since you've pointed out Mrs. Garrett had kind of a "goodbye" scene with Jo, now I really wish the writers had done what the "Friends" writers did when Rachel left country and had Mrs. Garrett have a solo scene with each of her girls. THAT would have been VERY fitting after having lived and guided her girls for so many years. Maybe Jo in the store, Natalie in the kitchen, Tootie in the bedroom, Blair in the living room. :loveya:

I would've LOVED this! Had each had their own private talk with Mrs. G it would've been so perfect. The scene with just Jo & Mrs. G was really done well even though it was very short. To have seen that with the other 3 girls would've made things really special. :heart:

You're absolutely right cfr1970 and sorry about the 'extension' on the topic!

REAL BLAIR would definitely have shed tears at MRS G's departure: after all, she had been more of a mother to her than MONICA in all the 7 years they've been living together (from 1979 until 1986) which is why i don't understand at all they're BEHAVIOUR!!!

I'm telling you, we had POD MRS G and POD BLAIR acting there!!!! (but then again, why was MRS G nice to the other 3 girls then)???

This is really THE TWILIGHT ZONE!!!!! So will Rod Serling please come out there and give us the explanation pleaaaase?????


Somewhere in the last couple of seasons, this came down from the sky and switched out real Mrs. G and Blair for the PODS they became! :lol::wave:

:ufo: :ufo:

Yeah. It's like "Let me think, after 7 years living with you and watching you grow from a young girl to a woman if I can think of something nice to say to you when I say goodbye forever. It was just wrong.

And when she does, it's just a tired, overused cliche lol. Blair should've said..."Don't judge books by covers. A heart of gold? After 7 years, all I get is a couple of tired cliches?!" :nonono::nonono::nonono:

She deserved better. But like I said, Mrs. G dreamed Blair killed her just a few hours before so she wasn't getting anything more from her than that. :lol:






I'll get this more after seeing season 1. :lol:






She was acting with her vapid, self absorbed front that she uses on strangers. This is Mrs. G of all people, who is saying goodbye forever. Remember what she said to Jo in the watch episode in the courtroom.

She was dead serious when she asserted to Jo that those close to her should know she's more than that front she puts out with others. And here she is playing that front with Mrs. G as she's saying goodbye.

When she said "Perfect?" to Mrs. G asking what she is (I forgot the exact quote), but Blair wouldn't have said that to her in such a serious moment. Blair would've been herself with no Bootsie front. Unless this was her way of hiding her pain. I just don't buy it.

Then again, this is just a sitcom and maybe i'm expecting more from it. But I would've liked to have had that scene show a little more depth and weight between Blair & Mrs. G. To me it fell flat.

Jo, Tootie & Natalie got much better goodbyes from her.




I would've LOVED this! Had each had their own private talk with Mrs. G it would've been so perfect. The scene with just Jo & Mrs. G was really done well even though it was very short. To have seen that with the other 3 girls would've made things really special. :heart:



Hello again cfr1970!

I would have also loved very much the idea of MRS G having a private talk to all her girls (and not only JO boohoo!) in different area of the house:
NAT in the kitchen, TOOTIE in the room, JO in the shop and BLAIR in the living room.

It would have been so good to see MRS G give each of the girls advice and also tell her how much she learned form them: maybe even have a 'flashback' moment (like in the episode 'The way we were' from season 5).

A good writer would have done as much, which comes to the mere conclusion how LOUSY they were!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad:

On the other hand, maybe you got a point in saying that BLAIR was acting like a POD to hide her pain? That would make sense, i mean she's done it in the past:
On the episode 'Working it out', BLAIR suddenly acts 'rude and nasty' towards MRS G when she grounds her, and 'flippant' with all the men she begins to date after her breakup with CLIFF (that was her way to hide her pain) but in the end BLAIR redeems and has that special moment with MRS G.
So why all of a sudden do the writers make MRS G act like she hates BLAIR or couldn't care less about her???? Sorry, but i don't buy it! (plain BAD writing and LAZY)....

And i know this is a sitcom, but it supposed to be a DEEP one and not a JOKE like the ones you get nowadays!!!!!

:wazzup:wazzup:wazzup

I'll get this more after seeing season 1. :lol:

cfr!! No! You just saw this recently! It's the DS episode "The Girls' School"! Remember?? The one you just got the DVDs for?? :lol: Sue Ann is a total airhead in that one! :crazy:


I just don't buy it.

Then again, this is just a sitcom and maybe i'm expecting more from it. But I would've liked to have had that scene show a little more depth and weight between Blair & Mrs. G. To me it fell flat.

Yes, we do expect a LOT from our shows.


Jo, Tootie & Natalie got much better goodbyes from her.

Although Natalie's was a bit shorter too.


I would've LOVED this! Had each had their own private talk with Mrs. G it would've been so perfect. The scene with just Jo & Mrs. G was really done well even though it was very short. To have seen that with the other 3 girls would've made things really special. :heart:

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cfr!! No! You just saw this recently! It's the DS episode "The Girls' School"! Remember?? The one you just got the DVDs for?? :lol: Sue Ann is a total airhead in that one! :crazy:

I've only watched "The Girls School" once but i'm sure you all know each line by heart and how it was even said! :lol:

It'll take me a few viewings to remember things like that. Heck, I already forgotten about Natalie's ice cream parlor boyfriend! :eek:

There's one thing no one has clarified yet. Maybe Christopher would know since from what i've read here, he's apparently a computer of FOL knowledge....

In "Out of Peekskill", where is it shown that Beverly is there to stay? There was no scene for that. When she arrives, it's simply to visit for her sister's wedding, and by the end of the episode she's in her nightgown living there heading up to Mrs. G's old room.

Was something cut where this is shown? In the winnebago, Tootie tells Beverly "We thought you were gonna replace Mrs. Garrett."...WHY did they think that unless they all knew she was moving in after Mrs. G left??

And did Mrs. G even ASK those girls if they wanted a spiky haired nervous poodle woman living under their roof with them?? I won't rest until I have answers lol. It's driving me crazy wondering what actually happened there. :confused::confused:

There's one thing no one has clarified yet. Maybe Christopher would know since from what i've read here, he's apparently a computer of FOL knowledge....

In "Out of Peekskill", where is it shown that Beverly is there to stay? There was no scene for that. When she arrives, it's simply to visit for her sister's wedding, and by the end of the episode she's in her nightgown living there heading up to Mrs. G's old room.

Was something cut where this is shown? In the winnebago, Tootie tells Beverly "We thought you were gonna replace Mrs. Garrett."...WHY did they think that unless they all knew she was moving in after Mrs. G left??

And did Mrs. G even ASK those girls if they wanted a spiky haired nervous poodle woman living under their roof with them?? I won't rest until I have answers lol. It's driving me crazy wondering what actually happened there. :confused::confused:

When Mrs. Garrett comes back into the room after leaving saying she's going to marry Bruce and enter the peace corp, she says she can't leave until they find someone to take her place in the store. When the show comes back from commercial break, Natalie says it's all set. Beverly Ann was going to move in taking Mrs. Garrett's spot in the store and watch over her and the girls. It is mention that that is what they decided regarding Beverly Ann.


It was supposed to start that way with Beverly Ann watching over the girls, but the direction completely changes as the season goes on. The girls instead are there to help Beverly Ann move on from her divorce. It's awesome seeing how much they learned from Mrs. Garrett on how to treat others.

cfr!! No! You just saw this recently! It's the DS episode "The Girls' School"! Remember?? The one you just got the DVDs for?? :lol: Sue Ann is a total airhead in that one! :crazy:

I don't know if it's just the pilot. Like Mother, Like Daughter has Sue Ann acting like an airhead over wanting Blair's dress.

Though to Cloris Leachman’s credit, she acted the part wonderfully. I loved the way she threw out one line. It’s where she was talking to Nat & Blair on the couch about her watching them vicariously growing up via Mrs. G’s letters that she felt like the girls were her children too because “My ex-husband and I never had…..sex.” LOL. You expected that sentence to end with “children” and when she paused, and then said “sex”, it was really a LOL moment and she delivered the line perfectly. So Cloris is good….Beverly BAD! Very BAD! :bash:

I laugh every time I see this scene. You expect her to say children but she goes a different route shocking you with the answer. And Cloris does play Beverly Ann perfectly in season 8. She's given a lot of great material that she's able to pull off. Not sure why they wasted that in season 9 since they brought her back.

Oh yeah! She does say, "Let me think", doesn't she?? If she does, I'm surprised you haven't mentioned it yet, lol. Yes. Again, going for the cheap joke at the expense of a character. :nonono:

YES! She does say "Let me think"....It's like she's twisting the knife with those words and poor Blair is in Bootsie/POD mode to understand she's being insulted lol.

I figured it out though and know exactly what was going through Mrs. G's mind when saying goodbye to Blair-----

"So i'm just a LANDLADY to you eh?! Well, you're just "BLAIR BLAIR BLAIR!" to ME! Good riddance you self absorbed bitch!" :lol::lol::lol:

She doesn't say let me think. She says give me a minute. I took it a different way because we all know out of all the girls, Blair is the one Mrs. Garrett had the most impact on and vice versa. Mrs. Garrett had so many moments to key down which one should be the correct goodbye. It was still heartfelt and I like that Blair was her most difficult girl to figure out how to say goodbye and what she meant to her.

When Mrs. Garrett comes back into the room after leaving saying she's going to marry Bruce and enter the peace corp, she says she can't leave until they find someone to take her place in the store. When the show comes back from commercial break, Natalie says it's all set. Beverly Ann was going to move in taking Mrs. Garrett's spot in the store and watch over her and the girls. It is mention that that is what they decided regarding Beverly Ann.


I saw that part where Mrs. G mentions finding someone to take her place in the store. I missed where Natalie says it's all set. It must have been so quick that I just didn't catch it.
I miss the days of VCR's where you can easily record shows and replay them afterwards if you miss something. Another reason for me to get that dvd set.


It was supposed to start that way with Beverly Ann watching over the girls, but the direction completely changes as the season goes on. The girls instead are there to help Beverly Ann move on from her divorce. It's awesome seeing how much they learned from Mrs. Garrett on how to treat others.

That makes sense since all the girls are now over 18 and more than able to fend for themselves. And it will be interesting to see them taking on the caretaker role and the ones to give advice like Mrs. G did with them.

I just hope I wind up liking Beverly as much as most others here. And I have to stop forgetting to call her Beverly Ann....I've heard of Mary Ann, but Beverly Ann sounds weird and doesn't even flow good so I keep forgetting and call her Beverly. :lol:

I don't know if it's just the pilot. Like Mother, Like Daughter has Sue Ann acting like an airhead over wanting Blair's dress.

She didnt seem air headed to me, just like someone who really wanted that dress. :lol:

She didnt seem air headed to me, just like someone who really wanted that dress. :lol:

Yeah, she definitely wanted that dress! I suspect they didn't sell many Christian Diors in Kansas City, Kansas.

Yeah, she definitely wanted that dress! I suspect they didn't sell many Christian Diors in Kansas City, Kansas.

Haha no way! The biggest brand name they had is probably Osh Kosh.

I laugh every time I see this scene. You expect her to say children but she goes a different route shocking you with the answer. And Cloris does play Beverly Ann perfectly in season 8. She's given a lot of great material that she's able to pull off. Not sure why they wasted that in season 9 since they brought her back.

My liking of Cloris Leachman gives Beverly Ann the edge there so my dislike of the character won't be nearly as harsh as George or Andy. Cloris the actress is easy to like so I hope i'll eventually warm to her during this season.

So after season 8 the character falls apart for the final season? Does she become unlikable or just an idiot character?



She doesn't say let me think. She says give me a minute. I took it a different way because we all know out of all the girls, Blair is the one Mrs. Garrett had the most impact on and vice versa. Mrs. Garrett had so many moments to key down which one should be the correct goodbye. It was still heartfelt and I like that Blair was her most difficult girl to figure out how to say goodbye and what she meant to her.

That's a whole different perspective on it! Now I want to watch that scene again because your description does make sense and perhaps I was viewing it too negatively. The way you viewed it changes a lot.

I guess when Mrs. G looked at a loss for words I took it that she had nothing nice to say, but it could also very well be she had SO much to say that she couldn't quite find the right ones in that moment. And that changes everything with that scene.

I wonder if valentina will be open to this also?...(Hey valentina, what do you think? Should we forgive Mrs G? :lol::wave:)

I have to watch this whole episode again with that perspective and maybe i'll enjoy it more. On the dvd is it all shown as one episode? I see on the episode guide it was a 1 hour season premiere.

Hmm I wouldn't say unlikable or an idiot, infact her char prob is more together by s9.

I've only watched "The Girls School" once but i'm sure you all know each line by heart and how it was even said! :lol:

It'll take me a few viewings to remember things like that. Heck, I already forgotten about Natalie's ice cream parlor boyfriend! :eek:

True! :lol: You were SO struck by that: "She was all, 'Oh, you mean you want me to share how I feel?' What is she, 12 years old?!" It's funny you already forgot, lol!


There's one thing no one has clarified yet. Maybe Christopher would know since from what i've read here, he's apparently a computer of FOL knowledge....

Or an "encyclopedia" you may say, to be more "dated" with the show, lol. But yeah, he watches it every day.

EVERY.

DAY.

:eek:

I laugh every time I see this scene. You expect her to say children but she goes a different route shocking you with the answer. And Cloris does play Beverly Ann perfectly in season 8. She's given a lot of great material that she's able to pull off. Not sure why they wasted that in season 9 since they brought her back.

:yeahthat


She doesn't say let me think. She says give me a minute.

Ah. Well, to my credit, this is one of the handful I didn't watch when I re-watched season 8 a week or two ago. I knew if I did I'd just wanna see more Mrs. Garrett, so I decided to forgo her so I'd be fresh with just Beverly Ann for the different experience. :)


I took it a different way because we all know out of all the girls, Blair is the one Mrs. Garrett had the most impact on and vice versa. Mrs. Garrett had so many moments to key down which one should be the correct goodbye. It was still heartfelt and I like that Blair was her most difficult girl to figure out how to say goodbye and what she meant to her.

Oo, nice...I like that interpretation. :)

Only, you say "we all know", but some fans may feel differently.

I don't know if it's just the pilot. Like Mother, Like Daughter has Sue Ann acting like an airhead over wanting Blair's dress.

Ya know, I never thought about that, but your theory does seem to fit. She is very naive and "super bubbly" in that scene, like in TGS. Although, she's more "with it" in her scene with Tootie and Natalie in the same room earlier, but then she still delights in such "little girl gossip" with the two of them (in a "little girl" way).

That makes sense since all the girls are now over 18 and more than able to fend for themselves.

You make them sound like the ducks living in your backyard! :lol:


I just hope I wind up liking Beverly as much as most others here.

I hope you do too, but we'll respect whether you do or not. :nod:


And I have to stop forgetting to call her Beverly Ann....I've heard of Mary Ann, but Beverly Ann sounds weird and doesn't even flow good so I keep forgetting and call her Beverly. :lol:

Well if you don't, you're the one looking weird. :lol: :p

:joke:

I just say that because that's what she's called, "Beverly Ann", so even if it's not natural to you, you should definitely have no trouble getting used to it, lol.

My liking of Cloris Leachman gives Beverly Ann the edge there so my dislike of the character won't be nearly as harsh as George or Andy. Cloris the actress is easy to like so I hope i'll eventually warm to her during this season.

:)


So after season 8 the character falls apart for the final season? Does she become unlikable or just an idiot character?

I think Christopher will tell you it's that she's basically "unused". Yet ironically, there's an episode all about Beverly Ann where she has an "It's a Wonderful Life"-like experience where she feels unneeded and unwanted but has a dream of how awful everyone's lives in the house would be if she weren't there! (!!)


perhaps I was viewing it too negatively.

Well, you are a 50-year-old man!! :grr:

Ya know, I never thought about that, but your theory does seem to fit. Although, she's more "with it" in her scene with Tootie and Natalie in the same room earlier, but she still delights in such "little girl gossip" with the two of them (in a "little girl" way).

Sue Ann: Trash day! I'll just empty this waste basket.

Nancy: It's not your color, Sue Ann. That's not even your waste basket!!!

I think Christopher will tell you it's that she's basically "unused". Yet ironically, there's an episode all about Beverly Ann where she has an "It's a Wonderful Life"-like experience where she feels unneeded and unwanted but has a dream of how awful everyone's lives in the house would be if she weren't there! (!!)

Ok now I understand what he meant. She was so good in season 8 and they brought her back for 9 but didn't use her as much which wound up being a waste. So season 9 is mainly focused on the core four?
From my memory, I know I watched half of season 8 originally in late '86 because I remember seeing Cinnamon since I had Stacy Q's records and enjoyed seeing her on the show.

It was after '87 started that I dropped FOL altogether, so that latter half of 8 and all of season 9 is going to be brand new to me when it plays!!! :clap:



Well, you are a 50-year-old man!! :grr:

There are people here who I suspect are even older than me so I could very well be one of the babies on this board. :crybaby: And I strongly suspect you're over 40 yourself 80's and that ain't no spring chicken either. 🐣 :nonono::nonono::nonono: So HA! :lol::lol:

Sue Ann: Trash day! I'll just empty this waste basket.

Nancy: It's not your color, Sue Ann. That's not even your waste basket!!!

Yup, but with bubbly/overeager Sue Ann from TGS, lol. :crazy:

It's also a notable episode for her wearing her hair like this for ONLY this episode ever! And Tootie too! (and kinda Nat)

Ok now I understand what he meant. She was so good in season 8 and they brought her back for 9 but didn't use her as much which wound up being a waste. So season 9 is mainly focused on the core four?

Well, the core, but not perhaps as "four". (meaning, not an ensemble cast like in 8)


From my memory, I know I watched half of season 8 originally in late '86 because I remember seeing Cinnamon since I had Stacy Q's records and enjoyed seeing her on the show.

Well congrats on "making it" that far with Beverly Ann! :lol: (well, not in THAT way! :rofl:)


It was after '87 started that I dropped FOL altogether, so that latter half of 8 and all of season 9 is going to be brand new to me when it plays!!! :clap:

Yup, such a fun feeling! :clap:



There are people here who I suspect are even older than me so I could very well be one of the babies on this board. :crybaby:

Lol, could be!


And I strongly suspect you're over 40 yourself 80's and that ain't no spring chicken either. 🐣 :nonono::nonono::nonono: So HA! :lol::lol:

:eek:

OUCH!!

Lemme get this rubber NBC prop retractable play sword outta me!

OH!!

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OUCH!!

Lemme get this rubber NBC prop retractable play sword outta me!

OH!!

:rofl:

Aww poor Eightsy! :bash::smash::boxing:

Well, the core, but not perhaps as "four". (meaning, not an ensemble cast like in 8)

Are they ever together during the season or always separate? I think I saw in the episode there's one where Kim Field's isn't even in the episode! I'm too lazy to search for it now. I'll try and find it in the morning.

And then of course there's the one where Lisa stayed out of when Nat gets popped. :lol:


80'sSitcoms + 🐣 = :nonono::nonono::nonono:


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Are they ever together during the season or always separate? I think I saw in the episode there's one where Kim Field's isn't even in the episode! I'm too lazy to search for it now. I'll try and find it in the morning.

Oh, I don't know. We'll let Christopher tell you. He's the later season expert (I mean he knows all about the series, but I'm much more associated with the earlier years than the later ones---certainly not 9).


And then of course there's the one where Lisa stayed out of when Nat gets popped. :lol:

:lol:

:eek:

Yes, which Lisa interestingly would go back and appear in it after all if she got to do a "do-over".



80'sSitcoms + 🐣 = :nonono::nonono::nonono:


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:eek:

:rofl:

Oh, I don't know. We'll let Christopher tell you. He's the later season expert (I mean he knows all about the series, but I'm much more associated with the earlier years than the later ones---certainly not 9).


It was driving me nuts so I had to find it before bed. It's season 9 episode called "Something in Common" and it says "Kim Fields is absent for the first and only time in this episode"

So all of them by that point were absent from at least one episode during the series run, so none of the stars of the whole show were in all the episodes. That kinda makes me sad. :(

Well, blame Lisa! If she hadn't been as strong-willed she would've been in them all! lol ;)

Well, blame Lisa! If she hadn't been as strong-willed she would've been in them all! lol ;)
:lol:

It's not Lisa's fault that Kim and Mindy went and missed episodes, too! And had there not been a Cast Purge, there would have been more actresses who maybe wouldn't have missed an episode.

:lol:

It's not Lisa's fault that Kim and Mindy went and missed episodes, too!

I know, it's just that we don't know why they missed, but we sure know why Lisa did! lol...and sadly, it was so preventable!

BUT, it is also neat from a characterization standpoint to see how Blair/Tootie/Jo interact with no Natalie around, and how Blair/Natalie/Jo interact with no Tootie around, as we saw how Natalie/Jo/Tootie interact with no Blair around.


And had there not been a Cast Purge, there would have been more actresses who maybe wouldn't have missed an episode.

[sigh!]

Oh, I don't know. We'll let Christopher tell you. He's the later season expert (I mean he knows all about the series, but I'm much more associated with the earlier years than the later ones---certainly not 9).




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:eek:

Yes, which Lisa interestingly would go back and appear in it after all if she got to do a "do-over".





:eek:

:rofl:
You're the lost girls expert along with Retro! :lol:

I know, it's just that we don't know why they missed, but we sure know why Lisa did! lol...and sadly, it was so preventable!

BUT, it is also neat from a characterization standpoint to see how Blair/Tootie/Jo interact with no Natalie around, and how Blair/Natalie/Jo interact with no Tootie around, as we saw how Natalie/Jo/Tootie interact with no Blair around.

Not to mention Nat/Blair/Toot without Jo.

You're sure right about Lisa's absence being so preventable. Even Lisa says it was a mistake, and had she had a do-over, she would have done the episode, but done it her way, advocating for abstinence. I would have LOVED to have seen that.

You're the lost girls expert along with Retro! :lol:

I'm no expert, just a fan. Much like you, Lorimar!

And each day, we learn a little more. Why, five years ago, did we know why Miss Mahoney suddenly disappeared? Did we know Julie Pie kept scrapbooks? Did we know Julie Anne laughed when they said she was going to be a model? Did we know Felice wasn't "all-American" enough?

Did we know Molly called the second season appearance her "worst job ever"? Did we know Kim and Julie Pie were so close? Did we know they adored Denny's? Did we know "Molly's Holiday" was the episode that was re-shot? Did we know there were two grandfather clocks? Did we know Mindy gave the producers a tour of Westlake? Did we know Julie Anne, Julie Pie, Mindy, and Kim shared a dressing room? Did we know Charlotte's husband was bisexual? Did we know Geri went to tapings to try to get back on the show?

Imagine what we'll know five years from now! :lol:

I saw that part where Mrs. G mentions finding someone to take her place in the store. I missed where Natalie says it's all set. It must have been so quick that I just didn't catch it.
I miss the days of VCR's where you can easily record shows and replay them afterwards if you miss something. Another reason for me to get that dvd set.

It is a quick mention. I think they did that because they wanted the primary focus to be Mrs. Garrett's wedding.

I don't miss VCR recording. Remember how they used to eat the tape if the heads were dirty or messed up? I hated that hassle of carefully pulling out the excess tape stuck in the VCR when trying the remove the cassette.

She didnt seem air headed to me, just like someone who really wanted that dress. :lol:

Sue Ann: Trash day! I'll just empty this waste basket.

Nancy: It's not your color, Sue Ann. That's not even your waste basket!!!

Lorimar, it's this scene and the scene where she's dragging her butt on the floor that seems airheaded to me. The Sue Ann they retooled for the last half of season 1 wouldn't have done this. She wouldn't have cared about Blair's dress. Look at Adoption. She wasn't interested at all in Blair's clothes there unlike some of the other girls.


My liking of Cloris Leachman gives Beverly Ann the edge there so my dislike of the character won't be nearly as harsh as George or Andy. Cloris the actress is easy to like so I hope i'll eventually warm to her during this season.

I still need to rewatch some of George's episodes in season 7 to see if I notice his head tic you were mentioning about. I never paid close attention to George in season 7. I just mainly noticed the premise of the show changed from learning life lessons to being a fun 80's show about their friendship that season.

So after season 8 the character falls apart for the final season? Does she become unlikable or just an idiot character?

I think Christopher will tell you it's that she's basically "unused". Yet ironically, there's an episode all about Beverly Ann where she has an "It's a Wonderful Life"-like experience where she feels unneeded and unwanted but has a dream of how awful everyone's lives in the house would be if she weren't there! (!!)

It's not that the character falls apart; they just didn't know what to do with her. As 80s mentions, she has an episode about how she made a difference on the girls lives. Even that seemed out of place because they only used the events of that Christmas episode as a way to show her she made a difference. It's like everything she did in season 8 didn't matter. It was only how she impacted the girls lives that Christmas season.

And let's not forget how bad 'A Rose By Any Other Age' is. The guy Blair is interested in likes older women so he's attracted to Beverly Ann. Blair acts totally out of character in that episode saying hurtful things to Beverly Ann. Just in season 8 she's all caring and respectful to Beverly Ann. There's no way Blair would act like that over a guy. Do they not remember 'A Double Standard' when Blair was civilized to Jo when a guy she liked took Jo to the dance instead? I just feel like they didn't know what to do with Beverly Ann in season 9 and gave her stories that didn't fit and put her in scenes for the sake of having her there.


That's a whole different perspective on it! Now I want to watch that scene again because your description does make sense and perhaps I was viewing it too negatively. The way you viewed it changes a lot.

I guess when Mrs. G looked at a loss for words I took it that she had nothing nice to say, but it could also very well be she had SO much to say that she couldn't quite find the right ones in that moment. And that changes everything with that scene.

Well you are right they were trying for comedy when Mrs. Garrett says Blair three times and give me a minute. But once Mrs. Garrett started talking, it made sense because she wanted the right words. It wasn't negative at all. In fact, her goodbye to Blair is similar to what she said to Blair in Rough Housing about jumping to conclusions about someone. It felt like a full circle when you look at everything they've been through.


Oo, nice...I like that interpretation. :)

Only, you say "we all know", but some fans may feel differently.

Fans may feel differently, but the episodes show a different take. Start with the pilot going all the way to Out of Peekskill and you'll see Blair was the most difficult girl Mrs. Garrett had the most impact on. I don't mean this in a negative way. Blair always had money to get what she wanted. She never had stability of a family. When Mrs. Garrett came into her life, Blair was able to experience that. To Natalie, Tootie, and Jo, Mrs. Garrett was a role model. To Blair, she was a mother who gave her a home and food on the table. A lot of fans think it's weird for Blair to still want to live with Mrs. Garrett when she enters college, but Blair always craved the family aspect of life. Look at the Christmas episode in season 5. She chose to stay with Mrs. Garrett and Jo instead of skiing. Blair from the pilot to Blair in that Christmas episode had a major character growth and it's because of Mrs. Garrett. They were the closest.


I have to watch this whole episode again with that perspective and maybe i'll enjoy it more. On the dvd is it all shown as one episode? I see on the episode guide it was a 1 hour season premiere.

The one hour episodes that aired as one episode are that way on the DVD sets. Graduation, Brave New World, The Way We Were, Taking A Chance on Love, and Out of Peekskill are 48 minute episodes. I love that Shout did this because on the Night Court releases, Warner split up the hour long episodes that aired as one episode.

It is a quick mention. I think they did that because they wanted the primary focus to be Mrs. Garrett's wedding.

I don't miss VCR recording. Remember how they used to eat the tape if the heads were dirty or messed up? I hated that hassle of carefully pulling out the excess tape stuck in the VCR when trying the remove the cassette.

I miss them because they were so easy to use. And you could just set the thing to record every day at a set time for your favorite show. I never had tapes get stuck on me. The only drawback was FF through all the commercials. But I wish VCR's would be available again. :(







I still need to rewatch some of George's episodes in season 7 to see if I notice his head tic you were mentioning about. I never paid close attention to George in season 7. I just mainly noticed the premise of the show changed from learning life lessons to being a fun 80's show about their friendship that season.

Just watch anything George Clooney is in throughout his career to see his head tic. It's a personal mannerism with him that he couldn't ever shake and to me a sign of a bad actor. If he ever went to acting school (which it's clearly evident that he did not) those teachers would've put a stop to it lol.

He's also one of those actors that only got in the business because of famous family members. And that too is a negative with me. I get really turned off when I see celebrity spawn go into the business like it's their God given right and taking roles that hard working actors & actresses would otherwise have gotten. End rant. :)




It's not that the character falls apart; they just didn't know what to do with her. As 80s mentions, she has an episode about how she made a difference on the girls lives. Even that seemed out of place because they only used the events of that Christmas episode as a way to show her she made a difference. It's like everything she did in season 8 didn't matter. It was only how she impacted the girls lives that Christmas season.

I wonder if NBC polled or tested audiences on how much they liked Beverly Ann and received negative responses back. Remember, I couldn't stand her originally only because she was such an obvious Mrs. G replacement and I think that turned off viewers to not accept her like I did.

That could be a reason for them to put her more into the background in season 9. Maybe she had a 2 year contract and they had to keep her on for that season when they'd probably have let her go?


And let's not forget how bad 'A Rose By Any Other Age' is. The guy Blair is interested in likes older women so he's attracted to Beverly Ann. Blair acts totally out of character in that episode saying hurtful things to Beverly Ann. Just in season 8 she's all caring and respectful to Beverly Ann. There's no way Blair would act like that over a guy. Do they not remember 'A Double Standard' when Blair was civilized to Jo when a guy she liked took Jo to the dance instead? I just feel like they didn't know what to do with Beverly Ann in season 9 and gave her stories that didn't fit and put her in scenes for the sake of having her there.

I'm really looking forward to this one just to see just how badly Blair treats Beverly. Was she worse than her "landlady" bout with Mrs. G earlier? If so pass the popcorn: please! :lol:




Well you are right they were trying for comedy when Mrs. Garrett says Blair three times and give me a minute. But once Mrs. Garrett started talking, it made sense because she wanted the right words. It wasn't negative at all. In fact, her goodbye to Blair is similar to what she said to Blair in Rough Housing about jumping to conclusions about someone. It felt like a full circle when you look at everything they've been through.

The dream she had of Blair killing her didn't help any. I think seeing that had already put me in a negative thinking of how Mrs. G felt towards Blair. So when she had that goodbye scene, it came off like Mrs. G didn't care much for her.

That dream scene really needs to be cut from the episode because it just puts thoughts in your head that don't belong there! I think I would've viewed her goodbye with Blair differently had I not seen that earlier.




Fans may feel differently, but the episodes show a different take. Start with the pilot going all the way to Out of Peekskill and you'll see Blair was the most difficult girl Mrs. Garrett had the most impact on. I don't mean this in a negative way. Blair always had money to get what she wanted. She never had stability of a family. When Mrs. Garrett came into her life, Blair was able to experience that. To Natalie, Tootie, and Jo, Mrs. Garrett was a role model. To Blair, she was a mother who gave her a home and food on the table. A lot of fans think it's weird for Blair to still want to live with Mrs. Garrett when she enters college, but Blair always craved the family aspect of life. Look at the Christmas episode in season 5. She chose to stay with Mrs. Garrett and Jo instead of skiing. Blair from the pilot to Blair in that Christmas episode had a major character growth and it's because of Mrs. Garrett. They were the closest.

A scene clarifying this would have been nice. To see Blair actually telling Mrs. G how she's been like a real mother to her would've been a perfect goodbye between the two characters.

Instead we see Mrs. G dreaming Blair killed her. Instead of that bizarre scene, there was plenty of time to use those minutes for a scene where Blair let's Mrs. G know just how important she was to shaping her growing years. Such a missed opportunity!




The one hour episodes that aired as one episode are that way on the DVD sets. Graduation, Brave New World, The Way We Were, Taking A Chance on Love, and Out of Peekskill are 48 minute episodes. I love that Shout did this because on the Night Court releases, Warner split up the hour long episodes that aired as one episode.

Good to know! I just hope i'm able to buy this set before "Out of Peekskill" comes around again on Antenna TV" That's now the first episode i'm going to watch when I get it just to see it in it's entirety.

Speaking of Antenna TV, they're having a FOL all day marathon on Mother's day dedicated to our favorite housemother Mrs. G.:heart:

I miss them because they were so easy to use. And you could just set the thing to record every day at a set time for your favorite show. I never had tapes get stuck on me. The only drawback was FF through all the commercials. But I wish VCR's would be available again. :(

What about DVR? That's the same as VCR recording only digital. I might DVR today's episodes of The Facts of Life to see what is edited. I just can't stand all those commercials and how long the breaks are. It's ridiculous.


Just watch anything George Clooney is in throughout his career to see his head tic. It's a personal mannerism with him that he couldn't ever shake and to me a sign of a bad actor. If he ever went to acting school (which it's clearly evident that he did not) those teachers would've put a stop to it lol.

He's also one of those actors that only got in the business because of famous family members. And that too is a negative with me. I get really turned off when I see celebrity spawn go into the business like it's their God given right and taking roles that hard working actors & actresses would otherwise have gotten. End rant. :)

Besides The Facts of Life, the only other work he's done that I've watched is From Dusk Till Dawn, Batman and Robin, and Roseanne. He's not a terrible actor, but he's definitely not one I need to see all of his work.


I wonder if NBC polled or tested audiences on how much they liked Beverly Ann and received negative responses back. Remember, I couldn't stand her originally only because she was such an obvious Mrs. G replacement and I think that turned off viewers to not accept her like I did.

That could be a reason for them to put her more into the background in season 9. Maybe she had a 2 year contract and they had to keep her on for that season when they'd probably have let her go?

I don't think that was it. I saw one of the season 9 promos and they were advertising how Cloris Leachman is in the show. I don't think she bombed with fans because when you search the ratings between season 8 and season 9 (http://www.televisionhits.com/factsoflife/ratings.html), they actually had more viewers in season 9. They claim 'A Rose By Any Other Age' had almost 30 million viewers.

I think it was either new writers or they had another retool in mind since the store only makes one appearance to close down.




I'm really looking forward to this one just to see just how badly Blair treats Beverly. Was she worse than her "landlady" bout with Mrs. G earlier? If so pass the popcorn: please! :lol:

It depends on how you take it. My main problem is that Blair has done a lot of growth before that episode. Just the episode they did before it, 'Rumor Has It' showed Blair feeling how hurtful it is for people to make fun of her. What happened to what she learned? It's very out of character.



The dream she had of Blair killing her didn't help any. I think seeing that had already put me in a negative thinking of how Mrs. G felt towards Blair. So when she had that goodbye scene, it came off like Mrs. G didn't care much for her.

That dream scene really needs to be cut from the episode because it just puts thoughts in your head that don't belong there! I think I would've viewed her goodbye with Blair differently had I not seen that earlier.

Well look at the fights Mrs. Garrett and Blair had over the years and how they first met. Blair's first scene with Mrs. Garrett is telling her that housekeepers know their place in her house. If she was ever going to dream that one of the girls kill her, it makes sense that it's Blair because they have the deeper relationship.




A scene clarifying this would have been nice. To see Blair actually telling Mrs. G how she's been like a real mother to her would've been a perfect goodbye between the two characters.

Instead we see Mrs. G dreaming Blair killed her. Instead of that bizarre scene, there was plenty of time to use those minutes for a scene where Blair let's Mrs. G know just how important she was to shaping her growing years. Such a missed opportunity!

There were scenes of Blair showing how much Mrs. Garrett means to her. She planned the wedding and fought to get the wedding license. She said on the phone Mrs. Garrett is more than a friend or housemother. She says she doesn't know what she's going to do without her. Blair's actions in Out of Peekskill show how much Mrs. Garrett means to her.

What about DVR? That's the same as VCR recording only digital. I might DVR today's episodes of The Facts of Life to see what is edited. I just can't stand all those commercials and how long the breaks are. It's ridiculous.


I see them on Amazon and they look so complicated. My TV is just broadcast with rabbit ear antennas. No cable so I don't know if it's like the vcr where you just plug and connect or if there's a whole bunch of tech stuff involved and no way am I ever going back to cable again to get their dvrs.

I don't watch enough TV to justify it anyway. I basically just leave it on all day and evening as background noise for the bird. :lol:



It depends on how you take it. My main problem is that Blair has done a lot of growth before that episode. Just the episode they did before it, 'Rumor Has It' showed Blair feeling how hurtful it is for people to make fun of her. What happened to what she learned? It's very out of character.

Writers were inconsistent with Blair a few times. It seems they gave her an episode where she shows growth and the next one she reverts back to her old ways like the growth episode never existed. It's frustrating because watching a character grow keeps the viewer involved and invested in the character.

In great episodes like "New York, New York", "The Rich Aren't Different", and even in the terrible episode where Jo dates her horse loving photo professor, we see Blair's growth and the person underneath the facade.

Then they revert her back to her "I'm so perfect" shallow mode. I haven't seen "Rumor Has It" but now i'm looking forward to it because I love the episodes where we see the real Blair.

You make a good point how in the early seasons it focused on the girls learning and growing and later on they just went for shallow comedy. It doesn't make the whole show terrible, but it does show inconsistency.

Keeping the comedy/drama balance even throughout the entire series would've been preferred.




Well look at the fights Mrs. Garrett and Blair had over the years and how they first met. Blair's first scene with Mrs. Garrett is telling her that housekeepers know their place in her house. If she was ever going to dream that one of the girls kill her, it makes sense that it's Blair because they have the deeper relationship.

There were scenes of Blair showing how much Mrs. Garrett means to her. She planned the wedding and fought to get the wedding license. She said on the phone Mrs. Garrett is more than a friend or housemother. She says she doesn't know what she's going to do without her. Blair's actions in Out of Peekskill show how much Mrs. Garrett means to her.

All this makes me want to view this episode again so bad now! I think i'll see it in a whole different light with that perspective. Along with it not being heavily edited either.

Before I start, I legit just turned on Antenna TV right now and cfr it's a Medicare commercial :rotflmao: They must feel only old people watch this channel.

I see them on Amazon and they look so complicated. My TV is just broadcast with rabbit ear antennas. No cable so I don't know if it's like the vcr where you just plug and connect or if there's a whole bunch of tech stuff involved and no way am I ever going back to cable again to get their dvrs.

I don't watch enough TV to justify it anyway. I basically just leave it on all day and evening as background noise for the bird. :lol:

I have it through my cable. It's part of the special I have through Xfinity so I do it through their app on my Smart TV.

I've worked my butt off since my 20's to buy the thousands of dollars in DVD sets I have and the TV / technology system I have so I don't have to deal with cable. Watching The Facts of Life on Antenna TV yesterday made me so grateful I have a strong work ethic to buy the things I want. It's definitely worth it.



Writers were inconsistent with Blair a few times. It seems they gave her an episode where she shows growth and the next one she reverts back to her old ways like the growth episode never existed. It's frustrating because watching a character grow keeps the viewer involved and invested in the character.

In great episodes like "New York, New York", "The Rich Aren't Different", and even in the terrible episode where Jo dates her horse loving photo professor, we see Blair's growth and the person underneath the facade.

Then they revert her back to her "I'm so perfect" shallow mode. I haven't seen "Rumor Has It" but now i'm looking forward to it because I love the episodes where we see the real Blair.

You make a good point how in the early seasons it focused on the girls learning and growing and later on they just went for shallow comedy. It doesn't make the whole show terrible, but it does show inconsistency.

Keeping the comedy/drama balance even throughout the entire series would've been preferred.


'Rumor Has It' is the last serious episode the show did that didn't have a happy ending for everyone. That's the only season 9 episode I go to bat for that deserves to be looked at as one of the earlier season episodes.

I wonder how much of Blair's changes was on the writers though. Lisa said herself she preferred comedy. Her favorite years of the show are the later ones where they were able to have fun and laugh. I wonder if she had a hand in the character changes of Blair between episodes.

I don't think any of the earlier seasons were as dramatic like season 5. To me, that is the most depressing season ever. They had some serious issues for one season. Seasons 2 - 4 had a great balance so it was funny as well.

Alright, back to the medicare commercials now until The Facts of Life comes on :lol:

Ready or Not

Edit 1: Wow, they cut out Andy’s only scene in the episode. After Tootie and Rudy finish talking on the couch, the next scene is Beverly Ann, Andy, Jo, and Natalie in the store. It’s probably a 2 to 3 minute scene. It begins with Beverly Ann escorting a customer out and then fanning the room because the woman’s perfume stunk. Natalie walks in talking about Snake and asks them if a guy saw a woman in that outfit if he would find them attractive. Jo and Andy leave. Beverly Ann takes the opportunity to talk to Natalie about Tootie and Rudy spending too much time together.

Edit 2: Beverly Ann’s scene with Blair and Jo is trimmed.

Another Room

Edit 1: Oh they cut out one of the funniest scenes! After Jo says she’s trying to get some sleep, Blair says it’s selfish when the majority wants to have a conversation.

Edit 2: They cut out another great scene! Before they leave to the attic, Tootie goes to Jo and tells her what she does when she’s angry. She writes a letter to the person she’s mad at but doesn’t send it. Instead she mails it to herself so she has the satisfaction of knowing how the other person would have felt if she had the nerve to send it to them. Jo tells her to get out. It’s a funny moment between them.

Just noticed they left Tootie’s line of feeling a letter coming on in the show. People won’t understand what that means since they cut out her scene with Jo.

Edit 3: They cut out the scene where Natalie says Jo is acting goony but they leave in the scene where Jo says to Beverly Ann let me update my definition of goony.

Edit 4: :eek::eek::eek::eek: They cut out the most important part of the episode where Jo tells Beverly Ann she didn’t get her loan approved. That’s why she had to sell her motorcycle. Not only that, they cut out Blair coming downstairs saying how she wants the side of the room with the window. Antenna TV sucks :mumble:

This is a great episode and it’s a shame to see it butchered up to the point where some scenes don’t make sense :mumble:

“Ready or Not”


Tootie becomes a woman! :eek:

I like this episode.

That baby blue shirt she's wearing in the beginning is so 80’s! With those pointy shoulders she looks like she stepped out of a Michael Jackson video. I don’t know if I love it or hate it because it’s both hideously garish and fun looking at the same time. Either way, it makes me miss the 80’s!

This seems to be the first mention of the cherry popping Snake who Natalie met on her latest temp job doing hot tar construction!

We also learn that along with a kitchen and storeroom, there’s also a bathroom behind the stairs too when Beverly Ann flushes Tootie’s boyfriend’s flowers down the toilet. My God it’s like they a whole other house crammed back there! It’s a doorway to another dimension lol.

So Tootie is venturing into sex territory with her new boyfriend, and the whole scene in the car was really good and thankfully didn’t feel like an Afterschool Special. I liked how Tootie took control of the situation and decided for herself she wasn’t ready. Good girl! :clap

I also liked how he pretty much dumped her afterwards which showed real life consequences of making a decision like that. Poor Tootie was crushed and I felt for her. But….It’s Beverly Ann to the rescue to endear the audience to Mrs. G's replacement!

I actually really loved that last scene where Beverly congratulates Tootie on “becoming a woman tonight” and Tootie corrects her by saying no she didn’t but Beverly Ann is all “Oh yes you did.” Ahhh! Stop it! NO! Don’t make me love Beverly Ann when i’m all geared up to despise her! Ugh. That’s hitting below the belt and so low!...But it worked lol, because I really liked her when she said that to Tootie. It really was just the perfect thing to say. :heart:

It’s interesting watching how hard Beverly Ann is trying with the girls. I felt her awkwardness at knowing she’s an outsider, but trying to find a way to be allowed inside the group. It was done really well and made me empathize with her especially when Jo & Blair were a little cold to her in the living room. Like me, they too seemed hesitant to let her in, and you saw that she knew it, and treaded carefully but kept on trying. I got to love her persistence!

It was a really good episode and if this is any indication of what to expect from season 8 then i’m excited to see more!!

Oh, and Tootie drinking champagne in the car was a big NO NO!! The legal drinking age was raised to 21 at that time and Tootie was only 18!

“Another Room”


I saw this last year during the Decades marathon and it’s another great episode. Beverly Ann is shown to be more warmly received by the core four and she’s blending well with them at this point. She still acknowledges her outside status with them, but things are slowly improving there.

I didn’t notice last year when I watched because I didn’t see the Kevin episodes at that point, but what I first noticed was how the doorway to the attic was now a wall and they entered the attic from the front of the studio. I immediately figured out they changed it to accommodate Blair falling through the wall into the girl’s bedroom. (who btw I am convinced was a professional stuntwoman. There’s no way in hell that was Lisa Whelchel who did that stunt. None lol)

I can’t believe they paid $4k to fix up the room! I half wondered why they couldn’t just conjure up a third bedroom behind the stairs like they magically conjure bathrooms and storerooms there. :lol::lol:

Do we ever see the completed room up there?! I really wanted to see the finished product but it was never shown….unless it was edited out?

I knew as soon as I saw Jo with the helmet her Dad bought her the previous season that it was going to have some meaning. I thought she was gonna sell that for the cash she needed, and I had totally forgotten that she sold her bike!

I don’t get why she’d take a bank loan, but not one from Blair with 22% interest. If she’s going to pay it back to the bank, why not Blair?! Her and her rules are sometimes beyond common sense to me.
I liked how Blair gave Jo the window in the end when she found out what she did. This is the Blair that we need to see every episode and Jo looked genuinely happy by the gesture. It’s nice when we see them as real friends like that without the bickering. :)

I’m still enjoying Beverly Ann here. But that’s all Cloris Leachman. She’s really a joy to watch and I couldn’t help but wonder what a good fit she’d have also been on The Golden Girls. I could see her getting on the nerves of Blanche & Dorothy because you can see a little of Rose in her, yet there’s this underlying bitter streak to her too.

It's when Beverly Ann has those bitter moments that I like her more. In the last episode where she tells the story of her ex husband’s mistress….”Let’s just call her trollop” lol. It’s that bitterness that makes her likeable with me and I hope we see more of that during the season.

This is another great episode and so far season 8 is a big winner!! Street Urchin made an appearance but it was thankfully very short. And it was weird how none of them thought about George for the contracting job...has he already flown the nest? You’d think they’d at least make mention of him when talking about hiring someone for the job.

And I noticed this is the second episode in a row where we don’t see Over Our Heads. Were they already phasing out the shop at this point? If so, good riddance to it.

Ready or Not

Edit 1: Wow, they cut out Andy’s only scene in the episode. After Tootie and Rudy finish talking on the couch, the next scene is Beverly Ann, Andy, Jo, and Natalie in the store. It’s probably a 2 to 3 minute scene. It begins with Beverly Ann escorting a customer out and then fanning the room because the woman’s perfume stunk. Natalie walks in talking about Snake and asks them if a guy saw a woman in that outfit if he would find them attractive. Jo and Andy leave. Beverly Ann takes the opportunity to talk to Natalie about Tootie and Rudy spending too much time together.

Edit 2: Beverly Ann’s scene with Blair and Jo is trimmed.

I was wondering why we're not seeing any of Over Our Heads in both episodes. But in this one the whole thing was cut out. Wow!

Another Room

Edit 1: Oh they cut out one of the funniest scenes! After Jo says she’s trying to get some sleep, Blair says it’s selfish when the majority wants to have a conversation.

Edit 2: They cut out another great scene! Before they leave to the attic, Tootie goes to Jo and tells her what she does when she’s angry. She writes a letter to the person she’s mad at but doesn’t send it. Instead she mails it to herself so she has the satisfaction of knowing how the other person would have felt if she had the nerve to send it to them. Jo tells her to get out. It’s a funny moment between them.

Just noticed they left Tootie’s line of feeling a letter coming on in the show. People won’t understand what that means since they cut out her scene with Jo.

Edit 3: They cut out the scene where Natalie says Jo is acting goony but they leave in the scene where Jo says to Beverly Ann let me update my definition of goony.

Edit 4: :eek::eek::eek::eek: They cut out the most important part of the episode where Jo tells Beverly Ann she didn’t get her loan approved. That’s why she had to sell her motorcycle. Not only that, they cut out Blair coming downstairs saying how she wants the side of the room with the window. Antenna TV sucks :mumble:

This is a great episode and it’s a shame to see it butchered up to the point where some scenes don’t make sense :mumble:

You know, I wondered what was up with Tootie mentioning "a letter coming on". I was like, what does that mean?! Now I know lol.

I also noticed the "goony" word and it did seem weird to me. Now I know the context of it. This really is a LOT of butchering going on!

I'm wondering just how much i'm not seeing throughout the whole series now. I bet when I get to the Lost Girls episodes everyone's gonna be like "what about that scene or this scene? Or how dare you make no mention of when Sue Ann says such and such to Blair! LOL.

I NEED that complete series!! Where is that damn stimulus check??!! :lol::lol:

“Ready or Not”


Tootie becomes a woman! :eek:

I like this episode.

That baby blue shirt she's wearing in the beginning is so 80’s! With those pointy shoulders she looks like she stepped out of a Michael Jackson video. I don’t know if I love it or hate it because it’s both hideously garish and fun looking at the same time. Either way, it makes me miss the 80’s!

This seems to be the first mention of the cherry popping Snake who Natalie met on her latest temp job doing hot tar construction!

We also learn that along with a kitchen and storeroom, there’s also a bathroom behind the stairs too when Beverly Ann flushes Tootie’s boyfriend’s flowers down the toilet. My God it’s like they a whole other house crammed back there! It’s a doorway to another dimension lol.

So Tootie is venturing into sex territory with her new boyfriend, and the whole scene in the car was really good and thankfully didn’t feel like an Afterschool Special. I liked how Tootie took control of the situation and decided for herself she wasn’t ready. Good girl! :clap

I also liked how he pretty much dumped her afterwards which showed real life consequences of making a decision like that. Poor Tootie was crushed and I felt for her. But….It’s Beverly Ann to the rescue to endear the audience to Mrs. G's replacement!

I actually really loved that last scene where Beverly congratulates Tootie on “becoming a woman tonight” and Tootie corrects her by saying no she didn’t but Beverly Ann is all “Oh yes you did.” Ahhh! Stop it! NO! Don’t make me love Beverly Ann when i’m all geared up to despise her! Ugh. That’s hitting below the belt and so low!...But it worked lol, because I really liked her when she said that to Tootie. It really was just the perfect thing to say. :heart:

It’s interesting watching how hard Beverly Ann is trying with the girls. I felt her awkwardness at knowing she’s an outsider, but trying to find a way to be allowed inside the group. It was done really well and made me empathize with her especially when Jo & Blair were a little cold to her in the living room. Like me, they too seemed hesitant to let her in, and you saw that she knew it, and treaded carefully but kept on trying. I got to love her persistence!

It was a really good episode and if this is any indication of what to expect from season 8 then i’m excited to see more!!

Oh, and Tootie drinking champagne in the car was a big NO NO!! The legal drinking age was raised to 21 at that time and Tootie was only 18!

My favorite scenes of Ready or Not are the Beverly Ann scenes. I'm glad they left in the scene where she said Tootie's problem reminds her of Frank and if there was anything between them, he would be back. Tootie says Frank didn't come back and Beverly Ann has that "well ****" look on her face and says "ok, we can still learn from this. Sometimes they don't come back" :lol: I love that moment so much.

Overall the episode is pretty good. I'm glad they still had Tootie being icy towards Beverly Ann since in the premiere she wasn't happy that she was taking Mrs. Garrett's place. It shows consistency.


“Another Room”


I saw this last year during the Decades marathon and it’s another great episode. Beverly Ann is shown to be more warmly received by the core four and she’s blending well with them at this point. She still acknowledges her outside status with them, but things are slowly improving there.

I didn’t notice last year when I watched because I didn’t see the Kevin episodes at that point, but what I first noticed was how the doorway to the attic was now a wall and they entered the attic from the front of the studio. I immediately figured out they changed it to accommodate Blair falling through the wall into the girl’s bedroom. (who btw I am convinced was a professional stuntwoman. There’s no way in hell that was Lisa Whelchel who did that stunt. None lol)

I can’t believe they paid $4k to fix up the room! I half wondered why they couldn’t just conjure up a third bedroom behind the stairs like they magically conjure bathrooms and storerooms there. :lol::lol:

Do we ever see the completed room up there?! I really wanted to see the finished product but it was never shown….unless it was edited out?

I knew as soon as I saw Jo with the helmet her Dad bought her the previous season that it was going to have some meaning. I thought she was gonna sell that for the cash she needed, and I had totally forgotten that she sold her bike!

I don’t get why she’d take a bank loan, but not one from Blair with 22% interest. If she’s going to pay it back to the bank, why not Blair?! Her and her rules are sometimes beyond common sense to me.
I liked how Blair gave Jo the window in the end when she found out what she did. This is the Blair that we need to see every episode and Jo looked genuinely happy by the gesture. It’s nice when we see them as real friends like that without the bickering. :)

I’m still enjoying Beverly Ann here. But that’s all Cloris Leachman. She’s really a joy to watch and I couldn’t help but wonder what a good fit she’d have also been on The Golden Girls. I could see her getting on the nerves of Blanche & Dorothy because you can see a little of Rose in her, yet there’s this underlying bitter streak to her too.

It's when Beverly Ann has those bitter moments that I like her more. In the last episode where she tells the story of her ex husband’s mistress….”Let’s just call her trollop” lol. It’s that bitterness that makes her likeable with me and I hope we see more of that during the season.

This is another great episode and so far season 8 is a big winner!! Street Urchin made an appearance but it was thankfully very short. And it was weird how none of them thought about George for the contracting job...has he already flown the nest? You’d think they’d at least make mention of him when talking about hiring someone for the job.

And I noticed this is the second episode in a row where we don’t see Over Our Heads. Were they already phasing out the shop at this point? If so, good riddance to it.

Another Room is one of my favorite episodes. You saw a poorly edited version of a great story.

My favorite part of the episode is Jo and Tootie's scene that you didn't get to see. I love when Tootie says she doesn't send the letter to the person she's mad at, Jo replies "that'll teach them" :lol:

You're going to see a lot of great Beverly Ann scenes in season 8. She does click well with the girls. She's not taking Mrs. Garrett's place at all. She is a friend to them and vice versa.

I was wondering why we're not seeing any of Over Our Heads in both episodes. But in this one the whole thing was cut out. Wow!

You know, I wondered what was up with Tootie mentioning "a letter coming on". I was like, what does that mean?! Now I know lol.

I also noticed the "goony" word and it did seem weird to me. Now I know the context of it. This really is a LOT of butchering going on!

I'm wondering just how much i'm not seeing throughout the whole series now. I bet when I get to the Lost Girls episodes everyone's gonna be like "what about that scene or this scene? Or how dare you make no mention of when Sue Ann says such and such to Blair! LOL.

I NEED that complete series!! Where is that damn stimulus check??!! :lol::lol:

Yes, you do need the complete series set :lol: The edits in Another Room really got to me because the episode didn't make sense with what they cut out. Didn't you think it was weird when Andy left the couch, Blair wasn't there but suddenly she is after his line and Beverly Ann is gone? They cut out so many crucial scenes to help the episode flow.

Before I start, I legit just turned on Antenna TV right now and cfr it's a Medicare commercial :rotflmao: They must feel only old people watch this channel.

Almost ALL the commercials on this channel are so depressing. Medicare, end of life funeral planning, diseases...it's crazy lol.



I have it through my cable. It's part of the special I have through Xfinity so I do it through their app on my Smart TV.

I've worked my butt off since my 20's to buy the thousands of dollars in DVD sets I have and the TV / technology system I have so I don't have to deal with cable. Watching The Facts of Life on Antenna TV yesterday made me so grateful I have a strong work ethic to buy the things I want. It's definitely worth it.

Dvd's today are so cheap because everyone is into streaming now, so it's a great time to build up a nice dvd collection and I buy so much off e bay of old movies and tv shows. I really don't watch any modern television so getting cable would be throwing money out the window.




'Rumor Has It' is the last serious episode the show did that didn't have a happy ending for everyone. That's the only season 9 episode I go to bat for that deserves to be looked at as one of the earlier season episodes.

I wonder how much of Blair's changes was on the writers though. Lisa said herself she preferred comedy. Her favorite years of the show are the later ones where they were able to have fun and laugh. I wonder if she had a hand in the character changes of Blair between episodes.

I don't think any of the earlier seasons were as dramatic like season 5. To me, that is the most depressing season ever. They had some serious issues for one season. Seasons 2 - 4 had a great balance so it was funny as well.

Alright, back to the medicare commercials now until The Facts of Life comes on :lol:

I wonder is Lisa Whelchel knew drama wasn't her strong suit and why she preferred comedy. Not a slam on Lisa, but we really never saw her do really dramatic scenes like the other 3 got to do. I guess she knew her limits and why she preferred the lighter side of acting. Again not a slam, but just something i've noticed with her.

I really like season 5 specifically for the "depressing" episodes. Then again, I love good drama so Natalie's father dying was right up my alley. I was like "Yay, a death!" :lol::lol:

I like the comedy too, but when there's an even balance of both is when the show is at it's best. "New York, New York" is a perfect example of that good balance.

My favorite scenes of Ready or Not are the Beverly Ann scenes. I'm glad they left in the scene where she said Tootie's problem reminds her of Frank and if there was anything between them, he would be back. Tootie says Frank didn't come back and Beverly Ann has that "well ****" look on her face and says "ok, we can still learn from this. Sometimes they don't come back" :lol: I love that moment so much.

That's another part that made me like Beverly Ann. She doesn't try and sugarcoat anything. When she realized her story was actually a negative, she let it be and allowed Tootie to take it for what it was worth. After all, it is a 'Fact of Life'.

Overall the episode is pretty good. I'm glad they still had Tootie being icy towards Beverly Ann since in the premiere she wasn't happy that she was taking Mrs. Garrett's place. It shows consistency.

They all were pretty icy towards her, and I liked that they were feeling what the viewer was most likely feeling with this new impostor. But it works because it makes the viewer be on the girl's side and when they slowly accept Beverly Ann, so do we.




Another Room is one of my favorite episodes. You saw a poorly edited version of a great story.

My favorite part of the episode is Jo and Tootie's scene that you didn't get to see. I love when Tootie says she doesn't send the letter to the person she's mad at, Jo replies "that'll teach them" :lol:

Just reading that made me LOL. It's sick how the show is being massacred. As a hardcore fan, you must be mortified! :eek:


Yes, you do need the complete series set :lol: The edits in Another Room really got to me because the episode didn't make sense with what they cut out. Didn't you think it was weird when Andy left the couch, Blair wasn't there but suddenly she is after his line and Beverly Ann is gone? They cut out so many crucial scenes to help the episode flow.

Which scene was this? When Beverly Ann was sewing Andy's pants? Andy got off the couch with the pillows around him, then Jo walked in the door and cracked on his red underpants.

Or was it a scene before that when they were discussing the contractor? I really don't pay attention to Andy much anymore. :lol:

Just reading that made me LOL. It's sick how the show is being massacred. As a hardcore fan, you must be mortified! :eek:

Which scene was this? When Beverly Ann was sewing Andy's pants? Andy got off the couch with the pillows around him, then Jo walked in the door and cracked on his red underpants.

Or was it a scene before that when they were discussing the contractor? I really don't pay attention to Andy much anymore. :lol:

I don't know if mortified is the right word. It's a slap in the face to the hard work the actors and actresses do on the show. Poor Mackenzie. His only scene in Ready or Not was completely cut out. That had to sting if he remembers he was in that episode :lol:

It's the scene right after Andy's line about leaving a permanent mark on his psych eval. What you didn't see was Jo heading towards the couch to tell Beverly Ann she applied for a loan. Beverly Ann says Natalie got her loan and Jo replies that's different because Natalie works. Jo says she can swing it if it's under 500 dollars for the remodel. Beverly Ann gets up and leaves. Blair comes downstairs saying she's willing to make the sacrifice of moving to the other side of the room. Jo says that's kind of you to take the side with the window and bathroom. Blair says she can owe her for it. Then the contractor, Natalie, and Tootie come downstairs. There's a lot you missed out on.

I don't know if mortified is the right word. It's a slap in the face to the hard work the actors and actresses do on the show. Poor Mackenzie. His only scene in Ready or Not was completely cut out. That had to sting if he remembers he was in that episode :lol:

It's the scene right after Andy's line about leaving a permanent mark on his psych eval. What you didn't see was Jo heading towards the couch to tell Beverly Ann she applied for a loan. Beverly Ann says Natalie got her loan and Jo replies that's different because Natalie works. Jo says she can swing it if it's under 500 dollars for the remodel. Beverly Ann gets up and leaves. Blair comes downstairs saying she's willing to make the sacrifice of moving to the other side of the room. Jo says that's kind of you to take the side with the window and bathroom. Blair says she can owe her for it. Then the contractor, Natalie, and Tootie come downstairs. There's a lot you missed out on.

Andy's scene? The scene where he is in the store, right?

I don't know if mortified is the right word. It's a slap in the face to the hard work the actors and actresses do on the show. Poor Mackenzie. His only scene in Ready or Not was completely cut out. That had to sting if he remembers he was in that episode :lol:

It's the scene right after Andy's line about leaving a permanent mark on his psych eval. What you didn't see was Jo heading towards the couch to tell Beverly Ann she applied for a loan. Beverly Ann says Natalie got her loan and Jo replies that's different because Natalie works. Jo says she can swing it if it's under 500 dollars for the remodel. Beverly Ann gets up and leaves. Blair comes downstairs saying she's willing to make the sacrifice of moving to the other side of the room. Jo says that's kind of you to take the side with the window and bathroom. Blair says she can owe her for it. Then the contractor, Natalie, and Tootie come downstairs. There's a lot you missed out on.

Wow! That explains a lot. I saw when they were negotiating the price of the remodel on the couch with the contractor and Tootie says she has the money in savings, and Natalie say she can get it and Blair is all "do you take cash?" or something like that lol.

So this scene with Beverly and Jo is after that scene or before it? Because she says Natalie already got her loan, but Jo says she can do it if it's under $500. However, it's only later that they find out it's $1,000 each, so if the scene was before that, then how did Natalie know how much to get her loan for?! :confused:

Andy's scene? The scene where he is in the store, right?

In the whole hour shown today the shop isn't shown at all in either episode. Man, someone at that Antenna TV studio is going nuts with all the editing. I wonder who gets to choose which scenes get cut out? Oh the pleasure they must feel having all that power! :lol: :angryfire

In the whole hour shown today the shop isn't shown at all in either episode. Man, someone at that Antenna TV studio is going nuts with all the editing. I wonder who gets to choose which scenes get cut out? Oh the pleasure they must feel having all that power! :lol: :angryfire

I watched several episodes on Youtube years ago and the videos were from a channel called CTS, if I remember correctly. I was confused, because I remembered a scene and when I watch it, that scene was gone :lol::lol::lol:.I later found out that the channel cut two minutes from every episode. Here in Italy (not every network) if they cut a scene of a show, they later upload the unedited version on their site

Fans may feel differently, but the episodes show a different take. Start with the pilot going all the way to Out of Peekskill and you'll see Blair was the most difficult girl Mrs. Garrett had the most impact on. I don't mean this in a negative way. Blair always had money to get what she wanted. She never had stability of a family. When Mrs. Garrett came into her life, Blair was able to experience that. To Natalie, Tootie, and Jo, Mrs. Garrett was a role model. To Blair, she was a mother who gave her a home and food on the table. A lot of fans think it's weird for Blair to still want to live with Mrs. Garrett when she enters college, but Blair always craved the family aspect of life. Look at the Christmas episode in season 5. She chose to stay with Mrs. Garrett and Jo instead of skiing. Blair from the pilot to Blair in that Christmas episode had a major character growth and it's because of Mrs. Garrett. They were the closest.

That could be, but some fans will tell you no way, Jo was the closest to her and changed the most. I myself am undecided which of the two was because I haven't taken the time to ponder it yet. And that's one thing about this show, different people take different things from it.

You will see the renovated attic room.... once. In s9.

Wow! That explains a lot. I saw when they were negotiating the price of the remodel on the couch with the contractor and Tootie says she has the money in savings, and Natalie say she can get it and Blair is all "do you take cash?" or something like that lol.

So this scene with Beverly and Jo is after that scene or before it? Because she says Natalie already got her loan, but Jo says she can do it if it's under $500. However, it's only later that they find out it's $1,000 each, so if the scene was before that, then how did Natalie know how much to get her loan for?! :confused:

The scene with Beverly Ann and Jo is right before the scene with the contractor. That is a good point you raise about Natalie and her loan. Maybe that's what she applied for initially?

That could be, but some fans will tell you no way, Jo was the closest to her and changed the most. I myself am undecided which of the two was because I haven't taken the time to ponder it yet. And that's one thing about this show, different people take different things from it.

Jo's changes were mostly from her friendships with Blair, Tootie, and Natalie. Jo already had a positive mother figure in her life. I don't think Mrs. Garrett really had a huge impact on her. Out of everyone, I would say Blair had the most impact on Jo because it showed Jo you can be friends with the most unlikely person imaginable.

You will see the renovated attic room.... once. In s9.

You see it more than once in season 9. It's shown in The First Time twice and once in Present Imperfect.

You see it more than once in season 9. It's shown in The First Time twice and once in Present Imperfect.
I dont remember it in Present Imperfect

I dont remember it in Present Imperfect

Because it's never shown in syndication. I don't remember the scene on USA or N@N when they aired the episode. Here's a screenshot of it from the DVD version.

I wonder is Lisa Whelchel knew drama wasn't her strong suit and why she preferred comedy.

Oh, I don't think it was that at all. Lisa was just an actor. I think it just happened to work out whatever writers wrote whatever scripts. But when it comes to acting, comedy is much harder than drama.


I really like season 5 specifically for the "depressing" episodes. Then again, I love good drama so Natalie's father dying was right up my alley. I was like "Yay, a death!" :lol::lol:

Oh cfr! :lol:


I like the comedy too, but when there's an even balance of both is when the show is at it's best. "New York, New York" is a perfect example of that good balance.

Yes, that is such a poignant episode without going too sweet. It's wonderful. :heart:

Jo's changes were mostly from her friendships with Blair, Tootie, and Natalie. Jo already had a positive mother figure in her life. I don't think Mrs. Garrett really had a huge impact on her. Out of everyone, I would say Blair had the most impact on Jo because it showed Jo you can be friends with the most unlikely person imaginable.

I agree with this. Blair was a lot more influenced by Mrs. Garrett while Jo was more influenced by Blair throughout the series.

Tootie on the other hand needed everyone and wanted them all to be together forever and Natalie was the independent one who pretty much found her way on her own.
Not to say that she didn't need Mrs. G or the other girls, but she had a "roll with the punches" "pick yourself up" attitude towards life and wasn't in need of as much guidance as the other three.


You see it more than once in season 9. It's shown in The First Time twice and once in Present Imperfect.

That's kind of strange to make a big to do about renovating the attic, and not even see it until a whole season passes!

Because it's never shown in syndication. I don't remember the scene on USA or N@N when they aired the episode. Here's a screenshot of it from the DVD version.

OMG Jo's hair! LOL! Wow that's a crazy style on her! :lol:

Thanks for the pic so I don't have to wait till season 9 to see it. The door goes directly into the original bedroom? It looked that way when they were renovating it in today's show.

But when Kevin lived up there that door was to the hall and stairs up to the attic. It makes you wonder why on earth they'd put a door connecting the rooms if the whole point was getting away from each other and wanting privacy.

And I see Tootie got her skylights! :lol:

“Ready or Not”


Tootie becomes a woman!

:lol:


I like this episode.

Me too! :nod: It's the first one I watched recently when I re-watched most of season 8.


That baby blue shirt she's wearing in the beginning is so 80’s! With those pointy shoulders she looks like she stepped out of a Michael Jackson video. I don’t know if I love it or hate it because it’s both hideously garish and fun looking at the same time. Either way, it makes me miss the 80’s!

Haha, I totally didn't even notice that.


We also learn that along with a kitchen and storeroom, there’s also a bathroom behind the stairs too when Beverly Ann flushes Tootie’s boyfriend’s flowers down the toilet. My God it’s like they a whole other house crammed back there! It’s a doorway to another dimension lol.

Yeah, when she flushed I was like, "What?? There's no handy little bathroom back there! :lol:"


So Tootie is venturing into sex territory with her new boyfriend, and the whole scene in the car was really good and thankfully didn’t feel like an Afterschool Special. I liked how Tootie took control of the situation and decided for herself she wasn’t ready. Good girl!

But there's something you didn't consider! And that no one else here has either, that I know of, which is kind of amazing...people talk about how Lisa made such a big stink over not doing the Natalie virginity episode, but TOOTIE STARTS TO HAVE SEX* here, and Lisa had no problem being in the episode!!

*(Well they don't get their clothes off yet, but they're in the positions in the back seat to start "getting it on")

I find that interesting that Lisa was SOOOOOOOO against appearing in an episode where Natalie is deflowered off camera and we don't even see it happen, but she was just fine and rosy with being in this episode where we are in the car with Tootie on camera when they try to start having sex---and where it's decided beforehand they're definitely "gonna do it". Ya can't have it both ways, Lisa. :nonono:


But….It’s Beverly Ann to the rescue to endear the audience to Mrs. G's replacement!

Yes!


I actually really loved that last scene where Beverly congratulates Tootie on “becoming a woman tonight” and Tootie corrects her by saying no she didn’t but Beverly Ann is all “Oh yes you did.”

Me too!! :bighug: This is the most stand-out moment of the episode in my childhood memory bank of watching the show. It really touched my young heart and endeared Beverly Ann to me so. :heart:


Ahhh! Stop it! NO! Don’t make me love Beverly Ann when i’m all geared up to despise her! Ugh. That’s hitting below the belt and so low!

Hahaha! :lol:


But it worked lol, because I really liked her when she said that to Tootie. It really was just the perfect thing to say.

It was. It was so perfect that it's hard to expound on it. Beverly Ann's line with her head turn and look of wise admiration, Tootie's innocent smile of humble understanding....oh, just thinking about it! C'm'ere, cfr!!

:bighug:

(I'm a very huggy guy! :lol:)


It’s interesting watching how hard Beverly Ann is trying with the girls. I felt her awkwardness at knowing she’s an outsider, but trying to find a way to be allowed inside the group. It was done really well and made me empathize with her especially when Jo & Blair were a little cold to her in the living room. Like me, they too seemed hesitant to let her in, and you saw that she knew it, and treaded carefully but kept on trying. I got to love her persistence!

Yeah, seeing it as an adult, it's really neat to pick up on that and watch it through.


It was a really good episode and if this is any indication of what to expect from season 8 then i’m excited to see more!!

I'm excited for you too!! :D



“Another Room”

Blair falling through the wall into the girl’s bedroom.

WHICH, by the way, WHYYYYYYY did she catapult through there with the force of 20 mph?? There as NO cause for that. A really funny sight gag, yes, but with ZERO realism! :nonono:


Do we ever see the completed room up there?! I really wanted to see the finished product but it was never shown….unless it was edited out?

We do, but ONCE. Only ONCE. And not until season 9!!


I don’t get why she’d take a bank loan, but not one from Blair with 22% interest. If she’s going to pay it back to the bank, why not Blair?! Her and her rules are sometimes beyond common sense to me.

Yeah, it's like left over from "Ain't Miss Beholden" (season 4). Ridiculous, but oh well.


It’s nice when we see them as real friends like that without the bickering.

:yeahthat


It's when Beverly Ann has those bitter moments that I like her more. In the last episode where she tells the story of her ex husband’s mistress….”Let’s just call her trollop” lol. It’s that bitterness that makes her likeable with me and I hope we see more of that during the season.

Haha, yes! "Let's just call her...trollop". :lol:

I do enjoy her bitterness, but I also enjoy her "off-the-wallness", lol.


And it was weird how none of them thought about George for the contracting job...has he already flown the nest? You’d think they’d at least make mention of him when talking about hiring someone for the job.

cfr?? YOU'RE mentioning George when he's not there?!? What is WRONG with you?!? :eek: :lol:


And I noticed this is the second episode in a row where we don’t see Over Our Heads. Were they already phasing out the shop at this point? If so, good riddance to it.

Nah, you'll see it throughout the season.

OMG Jo's hair! LOL! Wow that's a crazy style on her! :lol:

Thanks for the pic so I don't have to wait till season 9 to see it. The door goes directly into the original bedroom? It looked that way when they were renovating it in today's show.

But when Kevin lived up there that door was to the hall and stairs up to the attic. It makes you wonder why on earth they'd put a door connecting the rooms if the whole point was getting away from each other and wanting privacy.

And I see Tootie got her skylights! :lol:

I actually like Jo's hair in season 9. I liked her whole look that year. She really became the sexy one of the girls.

Yeah, the layout for the attic is completely different than what we saw in season 6. I guess when they rebuild the house from the fire in season 7, they rearranged the layout for the attic.

For fans who saw Present Imperfect on Hallmark, The Hub, and Logo, did they air the scene of the girls in the attic room? I find it odd that both N@N and USA cut this scene out. There's nothing inappropriate in it. They're just talking about how Jeff's grandmother doesn't like Tootie.

The scene with Beverly Ann and Jo is right before the scene with the contractor. That is a good point you raise about Natalie and her loan. Maybe that's what she applied for initially?

Natalie doesn't say she'll get a loan, she says she has "bonds" she can cash in. I had to rewind it because she blurted it so fast, lol.

Because it's never shown in syndication. I don't remember the scene on USA or N@N when they aired the episode. Here's a screenshot of it from the DVD version.

That's not real. You Photoshop-ed that. But it's a very good job.

:joke:

:lol:

;)

By the way, I always love seeing the girls on each other's beds, like at sleepovers. :loveya:

But there's something you didn't consider! And that no one else here has either, that I know of, which is kind of amazing...people talk about how Lisa made such a big stink over not doing the Natalie virginity episode, but TOOTIE STARTS TO HAVE SEX* here, and Lisa had no problem being in the episode!!

*(Well they don't get their clothes off yet, but they're in the positions in the back seat to start "getting it on")

I find that interesting that Lisa was SOOOOOOOO against appearing in an episode where Natalie is deflowered off camera and we don't even see it happen, but she was just fine and rosy with being in this episode where we are in the car with Tootie on camera when they try to start having sex---and where it's decided beforehand they're definitely "gonna do it". Ya can't have it both ways, Lisa. :nonono:


I've brought that up. It's not just this episode she did, she's done the abortion episode and the episode where Nancy announces she's pregnant before she's married. What makes these episodes any different than Natalie having sex? Lisa was very hypocritical on The First Time given the episodes she's done prior that involve sex.

Natalie doesn't say she'll get a loan, she says she has "bonds" she can cash in. I had to rewind it because she blurted it so fast, lol.

Tootie has the bonds. Natalie says she got her loan.

I agree with this. Blair was a lot more influenced by Mrs. Garrett while Jo was more influenced by Blair throughout the series.

I feel that's not entirely fair to Blair, because besides Mrs. Garrett's influence, Blair and Jo both learned from each other.

I've brought that up.

Oh, I don't remember, sorry.


It's not just this episode she did, she's done the abortion episode and the episode where Nancy announces she's pregnant before she's married. What makes these episodes any different than Natalie having sex? Lisa was very hypocritical on The First Time given the episodes she's done prior that involve sex.

Yup.

Tootie has the bonds. Natalie says she got her loan.

Oh, okay. Like I said, I haven't seen these later shows nearly as much as you have, lol.

That's not real. You Photoshop-ed that. But it's a very good job.

:lol: I'm not that good at photoshop. You have all the seasons, right? Have you noticed any scenes on the DVD versions that were never shown in syndication? The other scene I noticed that wasn't shown on either N@N and USA is from A Rose By Any Other Age. When they come back from the commercial break, they go straight to breakfast at the table. On the DVD version, there's a scene before breakfast where Blair wakes Jo up to talk to her. I had never seen that scene either until the DVD release.

:lol: I'm not that good at photoshop.

Well, just making sure you saw my following post, which said I was kidding, lol. ;)


You have all the seasons, right?

:nod:


Have you noticed any scenes on the DVD versions that were never shown in syndication?

Not entire scenes, no, just chunks and snippets of scenes.


The other scene I noticed that wasn't shown on either N@N and USA is from A Rose By Any Other Age. When they come back from the commercial break, they go straight to breakfast at the table. On the DVD version, there's a scene before breakfast where Blair wakes Jo up to talk to her. I had never seen that scene either until the DVD release.

Huh, interesting.

Oh, I don't remember, sorry

Yup.

No apologies needed. It is something that makes you wonder what kind of religion Lisa has though. Maybe her religious beliefs were that women who look like Natalie shouldn't have sex before marriage? Or maybe they're like the guidance counselor at Eastland who thinks Natalie should become a lawyer :lol:


Oh, okay. Like I said, I haven't seen these later shows nearly as much as you have, lol.

I haven't seen season 9 as much as season 8. I try to go off my memory when it comes to that season. Sometimes I even get it right :lol:

women who look like Natalie

Which reminds me, when she came dancing into Jo & Blair's room with that Sony Walkman while Jo was trying to rest in "Another Room", I was like, "OMG where's the other half of Natalie?!? :eek:" She had lost so much weight by that point.

It's such a shame Mindy/Natalie have been immortalized as mostly "the fat one" and often "the ugly one" of the show when she really did look really great in a lot of the later episodes.

But there's something you didn't consider! And that no one else here has either, that I know of, which is kind of amazing...people talk about how Lisa made such a big stink over not doing the Natalie virginity episode, but TOOTIE STARTS TO HAVE SEX* here, and Lisa had no problem being in the episode!!

*(Well they don't get their clothes off yet, but they're in the positions in the back seat to start "getting it on")

I find that interesting that Lisa was SOOOOOOOO against appearing in an episode where Natalie is deflowered off camera and we don't even see it happen, but she was just fine and rosy with being in this episode where we are in the car with Tootie on camera when they try to start having sex---and where it's decided beforehand they're definitely "gonna do it". Ya can't have it both ways, Lisa. :nonono:

It did briefly cross my mind when it was apparent Tootie was planning on seeing how far she'd go in that car. I wondered why Lisa was in this and not the Nat popping one but all I can think is that Tootie didn't go all the way like Nat did and I guess Lisa was fine with that.

She probably scanned that script with a magnifying glass and was like "Ok, there's no penetration, so I can be in this one." :lol::lol:

I've brought that up. It's not just this episode she did, she's done the abortion episode and the episode where Nancy announces she's pregnant before she's married. What makes these episodes any different than Natalie having sex? Lisa was very hypocritical on The First Time given the episodes she's done prior that involve sex.

Which episode is the abortion one?! Is that an early Eastland episode?

Which reminds me, when she came dancing into Jo & Blair's room with that Sony Walkman while Jo was trying to rest in "Another Room", I was like, "OMG where's the other half of Natalie?!? :eek:" She had lost so much weight by that point.

It's such a shame Mindy/Natalie have been immortalized as mostly "the fat one" and often "the ugly one" of the show when she really did look really great in a lot of the later episodes.

Isn't it ironic that Mindy was the thin one by series end? You have Jo & Tootie swimming in hefty bags trying to hide whatever the hell they had under there, but Natalie was looking pretty svelte by season 8. It must've been all those temp jobs...and then later discovering sex was a great way to burn the calories off too. :lol:

Blair pretty much stayed consistent with her fitted business suits.

My liking of Cloris Leachman gives Beverly Ann the edge there so my dislike of the character won't be nearly as harsh as George or Andy. Cloris the actress is easy to like so I hope i'll eventually warm to her during this season.

So after season 8 the character falls apart for the final season? Does she become unlikable or just an idiot character?





That's a whole different perspective on it! Now I want to watch that scene again because your description does make sense and perhaps I was viewing it too negatively. The way you viewed it changes a lot.

I guess when Mrs. G looked at a loss for words I took it that she had nothing nice to say, but it could also very well be she had SO much to say that she couldn't quite find the right ones in that moment. And that changes everything with that scene.

I wonder if valentina will be open to this also?...(Hey valentina, what do you think? Should we forgive Mrs G? :lol::wave:)

I have to watch this whole episode again with that perspective and maybe i'll enjoy it more. On the dvd is it all shown as one episode? I see on the episode guide it was a 1 hour season premiere.



HI cfr1970 and sorry for the delay!:wave:

Wow! It was so much to take in, and Christopher here really made my day (or night cos now it's almost 1h30 am in the UK) with his perspective on the MRS G and BLAIR's relationship!:happyface

I finally managed to download 'DAILY MOTION' on my phone (it wouldn't work either on my UK laptop or American tablet!!!) just to watch the final famous episode 'Out of Peekskills' on my mobile phone imagine that??? The screen was tiny, but it WORKED yippee!!:lol:

And so, i absolutely understood and saw what Christopher meant with the MRS G and BLAIR's final scene and came to a conclusion: first of all, none of you mentioned it, but those 2 had the longest scene out of the 4 girls (TOOTIE and NAT were the shortest not to mention JO's, but at least she had her moment with MRS G)...

I really loved how all the girls were so caring towards MRS G and especially BLAIR: she gets to the phone to arrange her wedding (almost 'threatening' the person, and telling the organizer that she didn't know what she'll do without MRS G out of her life, and he should have a heart):talk:
She then arranges MRS G's hair for her wedding (it looked like she put flowers on it), and when the time came for her goodbyes... wow!

MRS G tells NAT that she makes her laugh and she'll miss her, gives her a hug; the comes TOOTIE's turn and she tells her that she made her believe in magic and kisses her on the cheek (and yes, TOOTIE is almost in tears), with JO on the other hand she says briefly "You taught me to say what's on my mind" and JO just grins at her (no tears there lol).

But when it's BLAIR's turn, MRS G takes longer indeed: there is the comedy moment (where the writers probably thought "Let's make the audience crack") when she says:
MRS G: "Blair Blair Blair!"
BLAIR: "Yes yes yes?" (you see the expectation on her face, waiting for the wise answer from her mentor)
MRS G: "Just give me a minute...." (BLAIR lowers her face disappointed)
And then, the magic words!
MRS G continues: "I know... you taught me never to judge a book by its cover.. on the outside you may seem... (she hesitates)
BLAIR: "Perfect?"
MRS G laughs pleasantly, but says in a serious tone of voice: "But the important thing is the inside... you have a heart of gold... and love to let it shine!!!"
MRS G waits expectantly for BLAIR's reaction to her wise and deep words....
BLAIR is very pleased, but she also feels humble, she blushes and doesn't know what to say: "Well... Gold is my colour!"
And of course MRS G laughs and hugs her too!

Wow! Great final moment and i'm so glad i FINALLY managed to download 'DAILY MOTION' (since i don't have the later seasons DVD yet) cos having the doubt (and especially after our conversation last night with the IF) was really bugging me and now it's all in the clear... And with Christopher's help of course so thank you if you're still here Christopher!

So in answer to your question cfr1970: yes, MRS G will definitely be forgiven!:D

One more thing: i also watched on 'DAILY MOTION' (on my phone again) the 'Out of the fire' episode from the opening scene on season 7 but didn't like it as much as you i'm afraid.
In fact, i found BLAIR has already begun to turn into a POD on this whole episode (Real BLAIR was abducted somewhere) in that scene on the plane: she is nasty with he thoughts towards JO "Who cares about her charity stuff and being back at Peekskills, the most BORING town in the planet" (real BLAIR would have never said those words: she loved 'Eastland' over anything!)
And then when JO asks her, so what did you do, BLAIR just answers in her DUMBEST voice "I went SHOPPING!" (has she suddenly been brainwashed or what???).
But i loved JO the more, when she has the thoughts in her head "Who am i kidding? Blair will never change!" And the look of adoration she gives her is tender! (i actually LIKED JO a lot more than BLAIR in that episode).

And the fact that JO even buys BLAIR the frog she so much wanted, indicated how much she cares for her!

100 % for JO in this episode lol!

Are you still reading me cfr1970/ I hope i wasn't too long!

:cheers::cheers::cheers:

Wow that’s crazy, I watched s7-9 on a website that had full length eps but I didn’t see the scene in the other room! OOH is only seen once in s9 too that Ik of, but was it seen any other?

HI cfr1970 and sorry for the delay!:wave:

Wow! It was so much to take in, and Christopher here really made my day (or night cos now it's almost 1h30 am in the UK) with his perspective on the MRS G and BLAIR's relationship!:happyface

I finally managed to download 'DAILY MOTION' on my phone (it wouldn't work either on my UK laptop or American tablet!!!) just to watch the final famous episode 'Out of Peekskills' on my mobile phone imagine that??? The screen was tiny, but it WORKED yippee!!:lol:

And so, i absolutely understood and saw what Christopher meant with the MRS G and BLAIR's final scene and came to a conclusion: first of all, none of you mentioned it, but those 2 had the longest scene out of the 4 girls (TOOTIE and NAT were the shortest not to mention JO's, but at least she had her moment with MRS G)...

I really loved how all the girls were so caring towards MRS G and especially BLAIR: she gets to the phone to arrange her wedding (almost 'threatening' the person, and telling the organizer that she didn't know what she'll do without MRS G out of her life, and he should have a heart):talk:
She then arranges MRS G's hair for her wedding (it looked like she put flowers on it), and when the time came for her goodbyes... wow!

MRS G tells NAT that she makes her laugh and she'll miss her, gives her a hug; the comes TOOTIE's turn and she tells her that she made her believe in magic and kisses her on the cheek (and yes, TOOTIE is almost in tears), with JO on the other hand she says briefly "You taught me to say what's on my mind" and JO just grins at her (no tears there lol).

But when it's BLAIR's turn, MRS G takes longer indeed: there is the comedy moment (where the writers probably thought "Let's make the audience crack") when she says:
MRS G: "Blair Blair Blair!"
BLAIR: "Yes yes yes?" (you see the expectation on her face, waiting for the wise answer from her mentor)
MRS G: "Just give me a minute...." (BLAIR lowers her face disappointed)
And then, the magic words!
MRS G continues: "I know... you taught me never to judge a book by its cover.. on the outside you may seem... (she hesitates)
BLAIR: "Perfect?"
MRS G laughs pleasantly, but says in a serious tone of voice: "But the important thing is the inside... you have a heart of gold... and love to let it shine!!!"
MRS G waits expectantly for BLAIR's reaction to her wise and deep words....
BLAIR is very pleased, but she also feels humble, she blushes and doesn't know what to say: "Well... Gold is my colour!"
And of course MRS G laughs and hugs her too!

Wow! Great final moment and i'm so glad i FINALLY managed to download 'DAILY MOTION' (since i don't have the later seasons DVD yet) cos having the doubt (and especially after our conversation last night with the IF) was really bugging me and now it's all in the clear... And with Christopher's help of course so thank you if you're still here Christopher!

So in answer to your question cfr1970: yes, MRS G will definitely be forgiven!:D

One more thing: i also watched on 'DAILY MOTION' (on my phone again) the 'Out of the fire' episode from the opening scene on season 7 but didn't like it as much as you i'm afraid.
In fact, i found BLAIR has already begun to turn into a POD on this whole episode (Real BLAIR was abducted somewhere) in that scene on the plane: she is nasty with he thoughts towards JO "Who cares about her charity stuff and being back at Peekskills, the most BORING town in the planet" (real BLAIR would have never said those words: she loved 'Eastland' over anything!)
And then when JO asks her, so what did you do, BLAIR just answers in her DUMBEST voice "I went SHOPPING!" (has she suddenly been brainwashed or what???).
But i loved JO the more, when she has the thoughts in her head "Who am i kidding? Blair will never change!" And the look of adoration she gives her is tender! (i actually LIKED JO a lot more than BLAIR in that episode).

And the fact that JO even buys BLAIR the frog she so much wanted, indicated how much she cares for her!

100 % for JO in this episode lol!

Are you still reading me cfr1970/ I hope i wasn't too long!

:cheers::cheers::cheers:

I'm glad you changed your mind about the goodbye scene between Mrs. G & Blair. The more Christopher shared his perspective, the more I tended to agree with it too. :wave:

I think it's all about your perception of the scene and you can either take it positively or negatively, but positively makes more sense and I prefer having a happy ending over a bad one. I just wish that dream Mrs. G had where Blair killed her wasn't put into the episode because it ruins a lot.

This is Mrs. G's final goodbye to her girls, and having her dream of Blair killing her was too bizarre! :eek:

As for Out of the Fire, I still like it a lot. Oh....you confused me when you mention Blair on a plane. I was like "when was she on a plane except for "Gone With the Wind" coming back from Florida, then I realized you mean TRAIN! LOL.

They all met on the train to Peekskill from the city, not a plane! :p

But Blair was definitely in Bootsie/POD mode. Real Blair would have never given herself light socket hair lol.

At the start of season 8 her hair is back to normal Blair again. I don't hate season 7 like you do, but her hair throughout the season constantly changes from bad to worse!

Refresh me on the frog?! Jo gave her a frog? I'm having a vague flashback to it now. Was it in the burned out store where she gave it to her? And it was a stuffed frog right? Hey, we can call it LEON! :lol::lol:

I'm glad you changed your mind about the goodbye scene between Mrs. G & Blair. The more Christopher shared his perspective, the more I tended to agree with it too.

I think it's all about your perception of the scene and you can either take it positively or negatively, but positively makes more sense and I prefer having a happy ending over a bad one. I just wish that dream Mrs. G had where Blair killed her wasn't put into the episode because it ruins a lot.

This is Mrs. G's final goodbye to her girls, and having her dream of Blair killing her was too bizarre!

As for Out of the Fire, I still like it a lot. Oh....you confused me when you mention Blair on a plane. I was like "when was she on a plane except for "Gone With the Wind" coming back from Florida, then I realized you mean TRAIN! LOL.

They all met on the train to Peekskill from the city, not a plane!

But Blair was definitely in Bootsie/POD mode. Real Blair would have never given herself light socket hair lol.

At the start of season 8 her hair is back to normal Blair again. I don't hate season 7 like you do, but her hair throughout the season constantly changes from bad to worse!

Refresh me on the frog?! Jo gave her a frog? I'm having a vague flashback to it now. Was it in the burned out store where she gave it to her? And it was a stuffed frog right? Hey, we can call it LEON!


OOps! Sorry, the frog JO gave to BLAIR wasn't real (it was only a soft toy) so it couldn't have been LEON!:lol::lol::lol:

About the dream, i tend to agree more and more with Christopher here: it was obvious, that out of the 4 girls, BLAIR would be the one killing MRS G being the most difficult one (i sometimes dream i have fights with my family) because she was the one who had the most impact on her, and they both had their typical 'mother and daughter' relationship now that i think bout it.:talk::talk:

BLAIR is the only one who misbehaved in a few episodes towards MRS G, and their first meeting is a classic: naughty rebellious girl talks down on the new housekeeper of the girls school, remember?
She surely made an impact on MRS G, who then straightens her eventually ha ha!;););)

:bash::bash::bash:

She probably scanned that script with a magnifying glass and was like "Ok, there's no penetration, so I can be in this one." :lol::lol:

:rofl:


Natalie was looking pretty svelte by season 8. It must've been all those temp jobs...and then later discovering sex was a great way to burn the calories off too

:brent


Oh, and by the way, yeah, the abortion episode is in the "classic cafeteria era" (what I think the average fan of FOL thinks of when they think of the show).

Also, Lisa apparently had no problem saying God was DEAD in the "BLECH!" Jan Brady episode!

:rofl:




:brent


Oh, and by the way, yeah, the abortion episode is in the "classic cafeteria era" (what I think the average fan of FOL thinks of when they think of the show).

Also, Lisa apparently had no problem saying God was DEAD in the "BLECH!" Jan Brady episode!

Which episode is this and who had an abortion?! I watched the cafeteria ones and don't recall anyone having one. Was it a minor character who did it? One of the Lost Girls?! :eek:

Which episode is this and who had an abortion?! I watched the cafeteria ones and don't recall anyone having one. Was it a minor character who did it? One of the Lost Girls?! :eek:

It's season 4's "The Source", and unfortunately, it was a one-time character we never met before and never saw again. It would have been much more effective if it were one of the Lost Girls, most notably Nancy. BUT, at the same time, we don't necessarily like to think that Nancy went through an abortion (regardless of politics, just the sadness of one of our girls that young going through something like that).

It's season 4's "The Source", and unfortunately, it was a one-time character we never met before and never saw again. It would have been much more effective if it were one of the Lost Girls, most notably Nancy. BUT, at the same time, we don't necessarily like to think that Nancy went through an abortion (regardless of politics, just the sadness of one of our girls that young going through something like that).

OH!! I just looked at the episode guide:

"Natalie is under pressure to reveal her source for a controversial article on a schoolmate's secret abortion she has written for the school newspaper."

I remember that one! Maybe i'm remembering it wrong, but I think it was more about Natalie's dilemma over her article source more so than that poor abortion girl. See? Even years before Tootie's graduation, Natalie still had to make it all about her and stealing that poor student's abortion thunder lol.

Wasn't that episode more about Natalie than the student? :eek:

It's season 4's "The Source", and unfortunately, it was a one-time character we never met before and never saw again. It would have been much more effective if it were one of the Lost Girls, most notably Nancy. BUT, at the same time, we don't necessarily like to think that Nancy went through an abortion (regardless of politics, just the sadness of one of our girls that young going through something like that).

Very well put. Had it been Nancy, it would have given Felice some really meaty material to work with. And it certainly would have been a sobering moment for those who had watched the show from the very beginning, and who had seen Nancy in previous episodes.

But I also like the character of Nancy very much, and I would have hated to see her in that sad situation. Still, the episode would definitely have resonated more with the regular viewing audience for the Eastland girl having an abortion to have been a semi-regular on the show, rather than a random one-off.

Just imagine Nancy coming to Natalie's door, asking her how she knew. "How did you know, Natalie? Did you read my diary? Did Roger tell you?"

But had it been Nancy, it might have really changed our perceptions of those lines where she says she's going skinny dipping with Roger, etc. Those jokes might have soured, a bit, in retrospect.

Since the Lost Girls frequently appeared together in the same episodes, a Nancy appearance might have precipitated a Sue Ann appearance, as well. And then we could have had a conservative POV represented on a highly controversial topic. Maybe, then, Molly could have presented a liberal POV. Of course, Molly was gone by then...

OH!! I just looked at the episode guide:

"Natalie is under pressure to reveal her source for a controversial article on a schoolmate's secret abortion she has written for the school newspaper."

I remember that one! Maybe i'm remembering it wrong, but I think it was more about Natalie's dilemma over her article source more so than that poor abortion girl. See? Even years before Tootie's graduation, Natalie still had to make it all about her and stealing that poor student's abortion thunder lol.

Wasn't that episode more about Natalie than the student? :eek:

Yes. Natalie made the story up, not knowing that a real girl at Eastland had actually had an abortion. She wasn't thinking about who her fake-story-that-was-actually-real would affect.

Yes. Natalie made the story up, not knowing that a real girl at Eastland had actually had an abortion. She wasn't thinking about who her fake-story-that-was-actually-real would affect.

Oh, so I didn't remember all of this one because I didn't know Natalie originally wrote it as a fake story! Now I can't wait to see it again.

In fact I really can't wait till it starts over. I like the later seasons, but where i'm at now in season 8, they're all so OLD lol. Not granny old of course, but they're all WOMEN and so different from the cafeteria years.

I think I prefer when they're all young teens over the AARP ladies they are later on. I mean, TOOTIE is now drinking champagne while mulling over whether or not to get banged in the back seat of a Chevy. It's just too much to take! :lol:

Oh, so I didn't remember all of this one because I didn't know Natalie originally wrote it as a fake story! Now I can't wait to see it again.

In fact I really can't wait till it starts over. I like the later seasons, but where i'm at now in season 8, they're all so OLD lol. Not granny old of course, but they're all WOMEN and so different from the cafeteria years.

Yeah, that's how I feel, too. It's not that there aren't great episodes in the later seasons (because there are), its that overall, for me, it starts feeling... like a different show. I fell in love with a show about this warm, wonderful, caring, wise housemother and her adorable seven charges. By the end, she had been gone for quite some time, and most of her charges had left many years earlier. By the time they added the spikey-haired sister and the kangaroo, I had tuned out.


I think I prefer when they're all young teens over the AARP ladies they are later on. I mean, TOOTIE is now drinking champagne while mulling over whether or not to get banged in the back seat of a Chevy. It's just too much to take! :lol:

:lol: :lol::lol::lol:

You have quite a way with words, CFR!

(But next week is a classic throwback to the golden Eastland years! The Little Chill, which always gives me chills).

Yeah, that's how I feel, too. It's not that there aren't great episodes in the later seasons (because there are), its that overall, for me, it starts feeling... like a different show. I fell in love with a show about this warm, wonderful, caring, wise housemother and her adorable seven charges. By the end, she had been gone for quite some time, and most of her charges had left many years earlier. By the time they added the spikey-haired sister and the kangaroo, I had tuned out.



:lol: :lol::lol::lol:

You have quite a way with words, CFR!

(But next week is a classic throwback to the golden Eastland years! The Little Chill, which always gives me chills).

LOL I assume the "kangaroo" is Pippa? :rofl:

I can't wait to see what this perm headed little girl is like. All I know of her is seeing her face on the Season 9 dvd image at the top of this page. (with Beverly Ann strangely missing.)

The Little Chill i'm SO excited to see next week!! Since I haven't really seen season 1, i'll be pretty much viewing these girls from the same perspective as Jo does which will be fun. :)

LOL I assume the "kangaroo" is Pippa? :rofl:

Yes, Pimppa's a kangaroo.


I can't wait to see what this perm headed little girl is like. All I know of her is seeing her face on the Season 9 dvd image at the top of this page. (with Beverly Ann strangely missing.)

I think I wouldn't have minded Pimppa so much if it hadn't been so painfully obvious that she was added as part of the mid-1980s craze for all things Australian. Like, in the later seasons, they couldn't get away from these fads: the Golden Girls clothes, the pastel Spencer's knock-off shop, the 1980s musical guest stars that somehow kept showing up in Peekskill, New York...

It was like someone heading the writing staff kept saying, "What is really hot right now?" And whatever that answer was, no matter if it fit the premise or not, that's what they added to the show, completely at random. So we get Crocodile Dun-she, tons of '80s musical guests drop by, Spencer's... at one point Charo actually shows up. Charo! Charo, whose catchphrase was "Cuchi cuchi!"

:rofl:


The Little Chill i'm SO excited to see next week!! Since I haven't really seen season 1, i'll be pretty much viewing these girls from the same perspective as Jo does which will be fun. :)

I can see how that will be fun!

For me, the Lost Girls' return feels triumphant. Like an acknowledgement that five years earlier, a huge mistake was made, cutting them out of the show. "Here, viewers," the producers are saying. "Here, at long last, is closure for you." Having long-lost characters return almost never happened on '70s or '80s television, so it feels quite special: FOL was clearly a cut above other shows. It felt like if Happy Days had brought back Chuck Cunningham instead of bringing in Cousin Roger and Grand-Niece-in-Law Helen-from-Wings. Like if the Cosby Show had brought back Lisa Bonet for the final episode, instead of them pretending to have a conversation with her on the phone. Like if Chrissy Snow had made a surprise comeback on the final episode of Three's Company.

And then multiply that by three.

FOL was clearly a cut above other shows. It felt like if Happy Days had brought back Chuck Cunningham instead of bringing in Cousin Roger and Grand-Niece-in-Law Helen-from-Wings. Like if the Cosby Show had brought back Lisa Bonet for the final episode, instead of them pretending to have a conversation with her on the phone. Like if Chrissy Snow had made a surprise comeback on the final episode of Three's Company.

And then multiply that by three.

Haha those all would’ve been amazing. I’m glad the lost girls were the ones to return over the others on the list even though I would’ve liked them all to.

Haha those all would’ve been amazing. I’m glad the lost girls were the ones to return over the others on the list even though I would’ve liked them all to.

Yeah. Of course, the chances of Chrissy Snow ever coming back, after all that drama, were nil. Heck, even Chuck had a better chance of returning after graduating from the University of Outer Mongolia! :lol:

Wow that’s crazy, I watched s7-9 on a website that had full length eps but I didn’t see the scene in the other room! OOH is only seen once in s9 too that Ik of, but was it seen any other?

Yes, the store is only featured in Something in Common because they decide to close it down. There's three scenes that take place in the store. One is Natalie telling a customer their slogan as the store that has everything only they don't and agrees with the customer they have thought about changing their slogan. The second scene is the one where Beverly Ann tells them all about her idea to close the store to turn it into a bedroom for Andy and Pippa. It's going to be two rooms, not one that is shared btw. I meant to comment on someone's post to cfr awhile ago where someone said they were going to share a room. Beverly Ann states it's two rooms. It's also addressed again in the third scene in the store where Beverly Ann tells Andy his room will have four walls and a door.


Wow! It was so much to take in, and Christopher here really made my day (or night cos now it's almost 1h30 am in the UK) with his perspective on the MRS G and BLAIR's relationship!:happyface

And so, i absolutely understood and saw what Christopher meant with the MRS G and BLAIR's final scene and came to a conclusion: first of all, none of you mentioned it, but those 2 had the longest scene out of the 4 girls (TOOTIE and NAT were the shortest not to mention JO's, but at least she had her moment with MRS G)...

Wow! Great final moment and i'm so glad i FINALLY managed to download 'DAILY MOTION' (since i don't have the later seasons DVD yet) cos having the doubt (and especially after our conversation last night with the IF) was really bugging me and now it's all in the clear... And with Christopher's help of course so thank you if you're still here Christopher!

You're welcome :)


She probably scanned that script with a magnifying glass and was like "Ok, there's no penetration, so I can be in this one." :lol::lol:

Well there was penetration for Nancy's character since she was pregnant with a bastard child in The Little Chill. I hate that term but that's how it's referred when a child is conceived out of wedlock. Lisa dropped her religious beliefs for this episode that aired a year before Natalie's first time.


Wasn't that episode more about Natalie than the student? :eek:

It was but the episode featured a teenage girl who had sex, ended up pregnant by it, and then had an abortion. There was also signs of child abuse because she was scared of what her father would do if he found out. Lisa was perfectly fine back then doing this episode.

Yes, Pimppa's a kangaroo.

I think I wouldn't have minded Pimppa so much if it hadn't been so painfully obvious that she was added as part of the mid-1980s craze for all things Australian. Like, in the later seasons, they couldn't get away from these fads: the Golden Girls clothes, the pastel Spencer's knock-off shop, the 1980s musical guest stars that somehow kept showing up in Peekskill, New York...

It was like someone heading the writing staff kept saying, "What is really hot right now?" And whatever that answer was, no matter if it fit the premise or not, that's what they added to the show, completely at random. So we get Crocodile Dun-she, tons of '80s musical guests drop by, Spencer's... at one point Charo actually shows up. Charo! Charo, whose catchphrase was "Cuchi cuchi!"

Do you think i'll hate her as much as George & Andy? I'm already dreaming up ways to make fun of that hair of hers. :lol:



For me, the Lost Girls' return feels triumphant. Like an acknowledgement that five years earlier, a huge mistake was made, cutting them out of the show. "Here, viewers," the producers are saying. "Here, at long last, is closure for you." Having long-lost characters return almost never happened on '70s or '80s television, so it feels quite special: FOL was clearly a cut above other shows. It felt like if Happy Days had brought back Chuck Cunningham instead of bringing in Cousin Roger and Grand-Niece-in-Law Helen-from-Wings. Like if the Cosby Show had brought back Lisa Bonet for the final episode, instead of them pretending to have a conversation with her on the phone. Like if Chrissy Snow had made a surprise comeback on the final episode of Three's Company.

And then multiply that by three.


Do you think the show realized there was a cult following of the Lost Girls at that point? Obviously there was no internet to gather that data so I wonder if they knew there were fans out there who loved those girls and that's why they brought them back for the reunion episode?

I also wonder if they were deluged with mail clamoring for their return after they were axed? Maybe you FOL experts would know how the reunion episode came about?

Yeah. Of course, the chances of Chrissy Snow ever coming back, after all that drama, were nil. Heck, even Chuck had a better chance of returning after graduating from the University of Outer Mongolia! :lol:

Even for a reunion they did for Antenna TV a few years back they invited everyone but Suzanne to participate. Boy those people sure know how to hold a grudge!

Do you think the show realized there was a cult following of the Lost Girls at that point? Obviously there was no internet to gather that data so I wonder if they knew there were fans out there who loved those girls and that's why they brought them back for the reunion episode?

I also wonder if they were deluged with mail clamoring for their return after they were axed? Maybe you FOL experts would know how the reunion episode came about?

I don’t think it had anything to do with fans. They had lost Charlotte so they were trying to find ways to keep fans still watching. I think it was more of a publicity stunt than pleasing the few lost girls fans they have. If it was about an outrage of fans wanting them back, they would have brought the lost girls back for more than one episode that was mostly about Jo feeling left out.

Well there was penetration for Nancy's character since she was pregnant with a bastard child in The Little Chill. I hate that term but that's how it's referred when a child is conceived out of wedlock. Lisa dropped her religious beliefs for this episode that aired a year before Natalie's first time.

Lisa dropped her religious beliefs many times:lol::lol:. She didn't want to appear in a "first time" episode but she appeared in episodes where her character is cheating (not only in season 1 but also in season 2 in Gossip and in that episode where Natalie was running for city election), is smoking, falls in love with an older man and others..:lol::lol:

Yes, the store is only featured in Something in Common because they decide to close it down. There's three scenes that take place in the store. One is Natalie telling a customer their slogan as the store that has everything only they don't and agrees with the customer they have thought about changing their slogan. The second scene is the one where Beverly Ann tells them all about her idea to close the store to turn it into a bedroom for Andy and Pippa. It's going to be two rooms, not one that is shared btw. I meant to comment on someone's post to cfr awhile ago where someone said they were going to share a room. Beverly Ann states it's two rooms. It's also addressed again in the third scene in the store where Beverly Ann tells Andy his room will have four walls and a door.

So just who the hell owned the house by that point to make all these renovations at their whims?! You have Tootie & Natalie installing skylights in the attic, Beverly closing shop and adding bedrooms. And God knows what they kept on building behind that black hole behind the staircase.

My memory is that Edna's son was the owner of this building and Edna was just paying rent to him. Then all of a sudden everyone is taking hammers and chainsaws to the walls to all the rooms lol.

I guess eventually all the characters wound up with their names on that deed. :confused::confused:


Well there was penetration for Nancy's character since she was pregnant with a bastard child in The Little Chill. I hate that term but that's how it's referred when a child is conceived out of wedlock. Lisa dropped her religious beliefs for this episode that aired a year before Natalie's first time.

It was but the episode featured a teenage girl who had sex, ended up pregnant by it, and then had an abortion. There was also signs of child abuse because she was scared of what her father would do if he found out. Lisa was perfectly fine back then doing this episode.

Has Lisa made any comments about her wishy washy back & forth on these things? I'm sure looking back she's aware of her inconsistency regarding those plot lines. Maybe she was just more protective of the Core Four characters?

So just who the hell owned the house by that point to make all these renovations at their whims?! You have Tootie & Natalie installing skylights in the attic, Beverly closing shop and adding bedrooms. And God knows what they kept on building behind that black hole behind the staircase.

My memory is that Edna's son was the owner of this building and Edna was just paying rent to him. Then all of a sudden everyone is taking hammers and chainsaws to the walls to all the rooms lol.

Well, Raymond appeared only in two episodes of the same season. I think we have to assume he sold the building to Mrs. Garrett after his divorce

I don’t think it had anything to do with fans. They had lost Charlotte so they were trying to find ways to keep fans still watching. I think it was more of a publicity stunt than pleasing the few lost girls fans they have. If it was about an outrage of fans wanting them back, they would have brought the lost girls back for more than one episode that was mostly about Jo feeling left out.

I have a very vague recollection of when this originally aired and to the best of my memory, I was intrigued by the return, but since it was so long since seeing them I didn't really care much for it.

I was 16 when The Little Chill aired, so when those Lost Girls were originally on the show six years earlier, I was like 9 lol. So i'd naturally have almost zero recollection of who these strangers are.

Also, I don't remember seeing FOL being in syndication at that point either, and if it was, it was most likely in the morning hours when I was in school, so it being just a publicity stunt would make more sense, because I think most of the viewing audience at the time really wouldn't remember who they were.

Well, Raymond appeared only in two episodes of the same season. I think we have to assume he sold the building to Mrs. Garrett after his divorce

Yeah, it's the only thing that makes sense. And after they opened Over Our Heads, since they were all now equal partners, I guess Mrs. G put the girls on the deed for the house with her.

Do you think i'll hate her as much as George & Andy? I'm already dreaming up ways to make fun of that hair of hers. :lol:






Do you think the show realized there was a cult following of the Lost Girls at that point? Obviously there was no internet to gather that data so I wonder if they knew there were fans out there who loved those girls and that's why they brought them back for the reunion episode?

I also wonder if they were deluged with mail clamoring for their return after they were axed? Maybe you FOL experts would know how the reunion episode came about?


Awe, come on cfr1970!

You're not gonna hate PIPPA: she's far too hilarious and very pretty (despite the hairdo) but i will let you have your own statement on that one...:p

Which reminds me: today i watched the episode 'INTO THE FRYING PAN' (they had this episode on YouTube thankfully) and liked it a lot more than the previous one i have to say!:cool:

First of all: i forgot how GEORGE was so HANDSOME wow! (he still is if you ask me) and he didn't bother me at all! In fact, i found him rather sweet!:D

Of course i wasn't as smitten as TOOTIE was on GEORGE (JO looked like a growling dog ready to bite ha ha!).:mad:

BLAIR was herself this time, and not the POD luckily (although she got on NAT's nerves at some point hee hee!) and even came up with one of her 'brilliant ideas', when she decides to name the new store 'OVER OUR HEADS'. :talk:

I love the ending, when MRS G gets all excited to have her girls with her for this new chapter in her life (although not for long sniff sniff....):(

:hello:hello:hello

Even for a reunion they did for Antenna TV a few years back they invited everyone but Suzanne to participate. Boy those people sure know how to hold a grudge!

YES! I saw that reunion on YouTube! :lol:

Do you think the show realized there was a cult following of the Lost Girls at that point? Obviously there was no internet to gather that data so I wonder if they knew there were fans out there who loved those girls and that's why they brought them back for the reunion episode?

I also wonder if they were deluged with mail clamoring for their return after they were axed? Maybe you FOL experts would know how the reunion episode came about?

There definitely were viewers writing in, asking what had happened. How many, I don't know. But I do know I have seen newspaper articles from the 1980s asking things like, "Why did Molly Ringwald disappear from The Facts of Life?" It's possible that, as Molly's stardom grew, the questions about the Lost Girls, Molly in particular, were asked more frequently.

I also know that, in a similar situation where Geri's role was eliminated, Lisa brought Geri to tapings, in the hope that the producers would see her and bring her back on the show, after she'd turned them down for the single episode.

But I'm not aware of how TLC came about. We do know there was a "ratings spike", according to the Reelz documentary.

Awe, come on cfr1970!

You're not gonna hate PIPPA: she's far too hilarious and very pretty (despite the hairdo) but i will let you have your own statement on that one...:p

Which reminds me: today i watched the episode 'INTO THE FRYING PAN' (they had this episode on YouTube thankfully) and liked it a lot more than the previous one i have to say!:cool:

First of all: i forgot how GEORGE was so HANDSOME wow! (he still is if you ask me) and he didn't bother me at all! In fact, i found him rather sweet!:D

Of course i wasn't as smitten as TOOTIE was on GEORGE (JO looked like a growling dog ready to bite ha ha!).:mad:

BLAIR was herself this time, and not the POD luckily (although she got on NAT's nerves at some point hee hee!) and even came up with one of her 'brilliant ideas', when she decides to name the new store 'OVER OUR HEADS'. :talk:

I'll reserve my judgement until I see Pippa (or Pimppa the kangaroo as Retro calls her :lol:....Why Pimppa btw? Was she a call girl on the side?) :eek:

I'm glad you like George, but i'll take 10 Street Urchins over him! :lol:

I'm sure he's a reason why so many call season 7 the worst.

Into the Frying Pan is a good episode though because it shows another pivotal change in the series and it's fun to see how Over Our Heads started.



I love the ending, when MRS G gets all excited to have her girls with her for this new chapter in her life (although not for long sniff sniff....):(

:hello:hello:hello

Of course she's happy. It's because she's thinking "Just one more season to go and I can get the hell outta here forever!" :lol::wave:

YES! I saw that reunion on YouTube! :lol:

There's a reunion with Joyce & Suzanne on some internet talk show she did years back and it was so awkward. Anyone looking just beneath the surface during that phony reunion could tell Suzanne still hated Joyce's guts lol.

There definitely were viewers writing in, asking what had happened. How many, I don't know. But I do know I have seen newspaper articles from the 1980s asking things like, "Why did Molly Ringwald disappear from The Facts of Life?" It's possible that, as Molly's stardom grew, the questions about the Lost Girls, Molly in particular, were asked more frequently.

I also know that, in a similar situation where Geri's role was eliminated, Lisa brought Geri to tapings, in the hope that the producers would see her and bring her back on the show, after she'd turned them down for the single episode.

But I'm not aware of how TLC came about. We do know there was a "ratings spike", according to the Reelz documentary.

Is this Reelz documentary available to watch online anywhere? After I see season 1 I'll probably wanna see it.

I heard about Geri's experience being let go from watching an interview with her on you tube. I like that Lisa was in her corner and tried to help her get brought back to the show.

Is this Reelz documentary available to watch online anywhere? After I see season 1 I'll probably wanna see it.

Yes, absolutely. Once you've seen S1, send me a Private Message (PM), and I'll PM you the links. It's the best FOL documentary in years!


I heard about Geri's experience being let go from watching an interview with her on you tube. I like that Lisa was in her corner and tried to help her get brought back to the show.

Yeah, not only did it make me adore Lisa even more, because she was helping a dear friend, I felt a stronger connection to both of them. Lisa for helping out; Geri for persevering. Sadly, the plan failed, and Geri was never seen again.

I'll reserve my judgement until I see Pippa (or Pimppa the kangaroo as Retro calls her :lol:....Why Pimppa btw? Was she a call girl on the side?) :eek:

The name Pimppa is ™ and ® TV Guy, 2020. All rights reserved. :lol:

Well, Raymond appeared only in two episodes of the same season. I think we have to assume he sold the building to Mrs. Garrett after his divorce

Did he divorce? I know the ep with his wife ended on them deciding to work on their marriage but maybe there was a ref in a later ep Im forgetting.

There's a reunion with Joyce & Suzanne on some internet talk show she did years back and it was so awkward. Anyone looking just beneath the surface during that phony reunion could tell Suzanne still hated Joyce's guts lol.

I have seen that as well, and I thought it was just me, but I could definitely imagine a catfight erupting at any moment. :lol: But I am glad they did that reunion. Did you ever see the Unauthorized Three's Company movie? Well worth the two hours to watch! So many fabulous/funny moments!

There's a reunion with Joyce & Suzanne on some internet talk show she did years back and it was so awkward. Anyone looking just beneath the surface during that phony reunion could tell Suzanne still hated Joyce's guts lol.

Aww :( thats too bad.

Do you think i'll hate her as much as George & Andy? I'm already dreaming up ways to make fun of that hair of hers. :lol:


She's just another urchin, but this time, one from Australia. I think she was created to give Andy something to do. 'Something to do.' That sounded more provocative than I meant. She's less horrible than Kelly, at least.

She's just another urchin, but this time, one from Australia. I think she was created to give Andy something to do. 'Something to do.' That sounded more provocative than I meant. She's less horrible than Kelly, at least.

:eek::rofl:

Did he divorce? I know the ep with his wife ended on them deciding to work on their marriage but maybe there was a ref in a later ep Im forgetting.

There is a little reference in the Reunion movie, Natalie (if I remember) says to him "No more accountant?" and he says something like "Not after my divorce"

She's just another urchin, but this time, one from Australia. I think she was created to give Andy something to do. 'Something to do.' That sounded more provocative than I meant. She's less horrible than Kelly, at least.

Agree about the fact she is less horrible than Kelly. While I hated Kelly with all my heart :lol:, Pippa is just indifferent to me

Yes, absolutely. Once you've seen S1, send me a Private Message (PM), and I'll PM you the links. It's the best FOL documentary in years!

I'll do that! I see how popular it is here with everyone and wanna see!! :):wave:

She's just another urchin, but this time, one from Australia. I think she was created to give Andy something to do. 'Something to do.' That sounded more provocative than I meant. She's less horrible than Kelly, at least.


I thought PIPPA was alright! (At least she was funnier than ANDY):p:p:p

:cheer::cheer::cheer:

There is a little reference in the Reunion movie, Natalie (if I remember) says to him "No more accountant?" and he says something like "Not after my divorce"

I had no idea he appeared in the movie. I haven’t seen the whole thing in years

There was also signs of child abuse because she was scared of what her father would do if he found out.

Hmmm, I'd have to watch it again to see if that's what I think. I think I think that I've always thought (lol) that he was just a very strict father, not necessarily abusive.


Do you think the show realized there was a cult following of the Lost Girls at that point?

I highly doubt it.


Obviously there was no internet to gather that data so I wonder if they knew there were fans out there who loved those girls and that's why they brought them back for the reunion episode?

The writers of that episode had never written a "Facts" show before. But see, the show had already been in daily syndication for years by this point (that's part of what I was raised on). So my theory is, with the show continuing to cycle over again and again, they were aware of the original cast and thought that for themselves and the viewers it would be fun to revisit them and see where they were "today" at that point.


I also wonder if they were deluged with mail clamoring for their return after they were axed?

Now that would be interesting to see what kind of fan mail the show did get in its early years. I would love to read a book of those letters! :heart:


I had no idea he appeared in the movie. I haven’t seen the whole thing in years

Same here. Saw it once, no plans to watch it ever again.

The Little Chill is today! Also Stacy Q in "Off Broadway Baby" airs before it at 3pm. So looks like 2 good ones today and starts in 5 minutes. :banana: :wave:

I had no idea he appeared in the movie. I haven’t seen the whole thing in years


Me neither: i watched the 'REUNION 2001', but i don't remember seeing RAYMOND? (maybe he had a brief, small role in it?):confused::confused::confused:

Me neither: i watched the 'REUNION 2001', but i don't remember seeing RAYMOND? (maybe he had a brief, small role in it?):confused::confused::confused:

He had a main role in the movie. He was in it quite a bit. Blair hired Raymond to help run the hotel she owns.


The Little Chill is today! Also Stacy Q in "Off Broadway Baby" airs before it at 3pm. So looks like 2 good ones today and starts in 5 minutes. :banana: :wave:

I hope they make sense. After how badly they butchered Another Room, I can't watch reruns of the show in syndication anymore. I'm glad Shout did the show justice releasing it on DVD.

I'm looking forward to your reviews :cool:

^---Good point---we'll fill in the blanks cfr!

He had a main role in the movie. He was in it quite a bit. Blair hired Raymond to help run the hotel she owns.




I hope they make sense. After how badly they butchered Another Room, I can't watch reruns of the show in syndication anymore. I'm glad Shout did the show justice releasing it on DVD.

I'm looking forward to your reviews :cool:


I guess it's been quite a while since i'v watched 'THE REUNION 2001':crazy::crazy::crazy:

“Off Broadway Baby”


Another good episode and one that I remember seeing originally and also again last year for the Decades marathon.

I don’t get how Tootie wants to be an actress for the longest time, goes to an off Broadway audition and tells the person there that she doesn’t have 8X10’s of herself?! What the hell?! There’s no way in the world she wouldn’t have hundreds of photos already stacked and ready to give out at her auditions. Being an actress is like an obsession with her and she’d definitely be prepared! It was really a wtf moment in the writing department!

The song she’s practicing is of course “Two of Hearts” by Stacy Q and then she meets her doppleganger at the audition who also happens to be singing that same song that’s “on the charts” as doppleganger so shamelessly says to make sure the viewer knows so they can rush out and buy the 45 in the morning. (Hell, I did) :lol:

Meanwhile. Beverly Ann is going all over NYC seeing the sights because Tootie is number 316 to audition and will take the whole day. She visits the Empire State Building as well as The Statue of Liberty, and probably went around Manhattan on the Circle Line a couple of times too.

I also just noticed in this episode that Natalie suddenly has red hair. Her bright green sweater really highlighted the redness of it. It’s...different, but I prefer her with the brownish/blond she had last season. She’s no redhead imo and not really a good look on her. I hope she changed it back soon afterwards.

And there had to have been a scene cut. There just HAD to...When Tootie tells Natalie that Cinnamon is singing the same song she wants to sing, and is much better than her, Natalie says “Cinnamon the human satellite”?!....What the hell does that mean? I didn’t get it. Something had to be missing there...

She was a pencil eater. We saw that…So had Natalie said “Cinnamon the human pencil eater?” That I would’ve gotten lol. But human satellite? It makes no sense. Just what the hell did she mean by that?! :confused:

Jo & Blair take the back burner this episode for side scenes in the winnebago that was illegally parked and kept getting parking tickets. Yawn….Although I wondered if Jo had flashbacks to her photo teacher affair when the horse came to the window lol. And Blair’s hair looks really good in this one...she finally must’ve fired that studio hair stylist and sent her to the unemployment line!

And speaking of unemployment, Blair's comment when she walked into the audition studio saying "Look at all these unemployed people!"....Um hello, you're unemployed yourself missy so don't go throwing stones! :nonono:

Natalie had the best line of the episode when Cinnamom/Stacy Q/Doppleganger asks "Does Cinnamon have one N or two?"

"Three!" says Natalie with that deadpan look. I literally LOL at that. It was just the way she said the line that was so funny. :lol:

Anyway, Tootie tries to pull an “All About Eve” on her competitor at the advice of some really grumpy bitch who seemed to hate everything and everyone around her...and she actually succeeds in eliminating the doppleganger but then feels incredible guilt at doing something so underhanded and bitchy.

Mrs. G may be gone, but the lessons taught to Tootie by her are there in that audition studio as she hands doppleganger her #316 audition paper and Stacy Q's doppleganger goes inside to sing her hit “Two of Hearts”, so more 80’s teens can run out to the nearest mall to buy it. :lol:

So far season 8 is really good and i'm enjoying it!! :wave:

“The Little Chill”



This really should’ve been an hour long episode because it all felt so rushed and there was no time to develop the stories. We meet 3 of the Lost Girls….Sue Ann, Nancy and Cindy because Molly was too big a star now to breathe the same air as the lowly FOL serfs. :eek:

I remembered from everyone here that Cindy is the tomboy, Sue Ann the other blond lol (I still don’t know what she was in season 1---what was she?!) and Nancy the one who was in love with Roger who she’s now marrying since being knocked up by him. :lol:

Nancy is really tall btw and really towers over the Core Four. I had to wonder if that’s partly why she was axed? The Core Four are all really short with Nancy M being the tallest at just 5’4 I believe. So they probably wanted all the girls to be pretty even in height with no one towering over the others? And we all know Mrs. G was really short, so it was something I noticed while watching. That girl Nancy has to be at least 5’7 or 5’8.

One thing is certain….they all wore SO much makeup in this episode. OMG I know it was the 80’s but that’s a LOT of color on those faces. Even Tootie had so many colors caked onto her face. I do miss when women wore that much makeup though...it was a lot more fun and pretty than the boring “natural” look women go for today.

I loved how Jo was the outsider and i’m sure it was purposely made that way because the viewer most likely felt the same way watching these strange girls visiting. And I liked how Jo wasn’t impressed with any of it and didn't bother being fake nice to them. Everyone hates being told "You had to be there"...Um, F U lol. :lol:

The scene on the couch with Beverly Ann & Jo was my favorite and was really appropriate here as she too is an outsider with the girls so she could totally empathize with Jo. That scene too felt cut short so I wonder if there was more to it that i’ll see on the dvd? It felt like there was more to that conversation that wasn't shown.

So Lisa Whelchel had no problems being in this episode with Nancy being 3 months pregnant before marriage at age 22, but wouldn’t participate when Natalie at age 20 decides to take the orgasmic plunge herself? Her fickleness on that is really weird. It’s ok for Nancy but not Natalie? WHY?! :confused:

I liked how Jo kept Sue Ann’s secret at being a gopher and not vice president in the end. That’s more than I would’ve done, because I would've ran right past her up those stairs to snitch!

And it’s just another sign of Mrs. G’s wonderful legacy of instilling good values onto her girls over the years. You know that the Jo of season 1 definitely would’ve blabbed on Sue Ann with glee. But season 8 Jo is more mature and now has empathy and decides against it. That’s all Mrs. G’s influence on her! :loveya:

It was a good episode but I really wished it had been an hour long to tell the stories better and feel less hurried. They all seemed to be leaving too soon after they just got there.

I did appreciate the flashbacks. Nancy seems to be the little slut even back then when she was holding the nightie in her hands. It's no wonder she was the first to get pregnant lol.

And it was nice to see Blair & Tootie so young again...makes me look forward to seeing the early episodes again.

I loved seeing Jo & Blair's first meeting again....Talking about her bike, "I'll park it on Blair's FACE!" LOL....Oh I can't wait to see it all again!! :heart:

He had a main role in the movie. He was in it quite a bit. Blair hired Raymond to help run the hotel she owns.




I hope they make sense. After how badly they butchered Another Room, I can't watch reruns of the show in syndication anymore. I'm glad Shout did the show justice releasing it on DVD.

I'm looking forward to your reviews :cool:

Thanks! I have fun doing it. :)

There was definitely a feel of cut scenes watching both episodes today. It just felt "off". Thankfully, I saw that my stimulus check is depositing Wednesday so i'll be able to order the dvd's now. Gotta do my part to jump start the economy. :lol:

“Off Broadway Baby”


Meanwhile. Beverly Ann is going all over NYC seeing the sights because Tootie is number 316 to audition and will take the whole day. She visits the Empire State Building as well as The Statue of Liberty, and probably went around Manhattan on the Circle Line a couple of times too.

I like that part of the episode. Blair and Jo wanting to show Beverly Ann around. Did they show the police officer giving Beverly Ann a ticket? Beverly Ann was getting her way out of it in the beginning, but Blair had to say "just so you can meet some quota" :lol: Blair was very inexperience as well with the big apple and how things work there. I like that they showed Beverly Ann building her rapport with the girls rather than just forcing it there like it's always been there.

I also just noticed in this episode that Natalie suddenly has red hair. Her bright green sweater really highlighted the redness of it. It’s...different, but I prefer her with the brownish/blond she had last season. She’s no redhead imo and not really a good look on her. I hope she changed it back soon afterwards.

This episode was aired out of order. Get used to the red head coming and going and the piano coming and going too :lol:

And there had to have been a scene cut. There just HAD to...When Tootie tells Natalie that Cinnamon is singing the same song she wants to sing, and is much better than her, Natalie says “Cinnamon the human satellite”?!....What the hell does that mean? I didn’t get it. Something had to be missing there...

It sounds like they cut some of the scene where they first meet Cinnamon. She's a ditzy blonde that eats pencils. She's actually a really good character. I like her second appearance in the show. There's one scene I always lose it on. Tootie offers her animal crackers and Cinnamon replies, "no thanks, I'm a vegetarian" :rotflmao: :crazy:

Jo & Blair take the back burner this episode for side scenes in the winnebago that was illegally parked and kept getting parking tickets. Yawn….Although I wondered if Jo had flashbacks to her photo teacher affair when the horse came to the window lol. And Blair’s hair looks really good in this one...she finally must’ve fired that studio hair stylist and sent her to the unemployment line!

It's not a back burner part for them. They're spending time with Beverly Ann showing her around New York City. It actually fits with the girls being a friend to Beverly Ann and helping her experience new things of life since her divorce.

Mrs. G may be gone, but the lessons taught to Tootie by her are there in that audition studio as she hands doppleganger her #316 audition paper and Stacy Q's doppleganger goes inside to sing her hit “Two of Hearts”, so more 80’s teens can run out to the nearest mall to buy it. :lol:

So far season 8 is really good and i'm enjoying it!! :wave:

I'm glad you're enjoying season 8. It's a strong season. It ranks up there with the Eastland years for sure. And yep, season 8 displays how much the girls really learned from Mrs. Garrett.



Nancy is really tall btw and really towers over the Core Four. I had to wonder if that’s partly why she was axed? The Core Four are all really short with Nancy M being the tallest at just 5’4 I believe. So they probably wanted all the girls to be pretty even in height with no one towering over the others? And we all know Mrs. G was really short, so it was something I noticed while watching. That girl Nancy has to be at least 5’7 or 5’8.

Did you notice how Nancy looks like Helen Slater? They really should have acted together since they could pass off as sisters very easily.


I loved how Jo was the outsider and i’m sure it was purposely made that way because the viewer most likely felt the same way watching these strange girls visiting. And I liked how Jo wasn’t impressed with any of it and didn't bother being fake nice to them. Everyone hates being told "You had to be there"...Um, F U lol. :lol:

The scene on the couch with Beverly Ann was my favorite scene and was really appropriate here as she too is an outsider with the girls so she could totally empathize with Jo. That scene too felt cut short so I wonder if there was more to it that i’ll see on the dvd? It felt like there was more to that conversation that wasn't shown.

N@N and USA cut the scene where Beverly Ann tells Jo she sees Frank's face at night on her pillow and she sees her fist going through Frank's face when she punches the pillow. Did they show that? If not, then that scene was definitely trimmed.

I get a kick out of The Little Chill. It's supposed to be about the lost girls, but it's about Jo feeling like an outsider. I like how ironic that is.


So Lisa Whelchel had no problems being in this episode with Nancy being 3 months pregnant before marriage at age 22, but wouldn’t participate when Natalie at age 20 decides to take the orgasmic plunge herself? Her fickleness on that is really weird. It’s ok for Nancy but not Natalie? WHY?! :confused:

Exactly! This episode is more taboo than The First Time. Nancy's baby was conceived out of wedlock months before their wedding. No problems though with Lisa's beliefs on that :rolleyes:

I liked how Jo kept Sue Ann’s secret at being a gopher and not vice president in the end. That’s more than I would’ve done, because I would've ran right past her up those stairs to snitch!

And it’s just another sign of Mrs. G’s wonderful legacy of instilling good values onto her girls over the years. You know that the Jo of season 1 definitely would’ve blabbed on Sue Ann with glee. But season 8 Jo is more mature and now has empathy and decides against it. That’s all Mrs. G’s influence on her! :loveya:[/QUOTE]

Jo is definitely the bigger person than Sue Ann. Sue Ann comes back lying to her friends, rude to Jo, and acting all high and mighty. She's a loser. I wouldn't have blamed Jo if she told. However, Jo learned from Mrs. Garrett not to be a lowlife like the other person so it's best she didn't act like Sue Ann.

It was a good episode but I really wished it had been an hour long to tell the stories better and feel less hurried. They all seemed to be leaving too soon after they just got there.

I did appreciate the flashbacks. Nancy seems to be the little slut even back then when she was holding the nightie in her hands. It's no wonder she was the first to get pregnant lol.

And it was nice to see Blair & Tootie so young again...makes me look forward to seeing the early episodes again.

I loved seeing Jo & Blair's first meeting again....Talking about her bike, "I'll park it on Blair's FACE!" LOL....Oh I can't wait to see it all again!! :heart:


I don't think it should have been an hour. 24 minutes was enough :lol:

The only silver lining of season 1 for me is Lisa, Kim, and Charlotte. Everything else is eh :whatever:

“Off Broadway Baby”


I don’t get how Tootie wants to be an actress for the longest time, goes to an off Broadway audition and tells the person there that she doesn’t have 8X10’s of herself?! What the hell?!

Ha, true!


The song she’s practicing is of course “Two of Hearts” by Stacy Q and then she meets her doppleganger at the audition who also happens to be singing that same song that’s “on the charts” as doppleganger so shamelessly says to make sure the viewer knows so they can rush out and buy the 45 in the morning. (Hell, I did) lol

:lol:


I also just noticed in this episode that Natalie suddenly has red hair. Her bright green sweater really highlighted the redness of it. It’s...different, but I prefer her with the brownish/blond she had last season. She’s no redhead imo and not really a good look on her. I hope she changed it back soon afterwards.

Well cfr, I'll tell you: Don't hope. Just get used to it, lol.


Natalie says “Cinnamon the human satellite”?!....What the hell does that mean? I didn’t get it. Something had to be missing there...

She was a pencil eater. We saw that…So had Natalie said “Cinnamon the human pencil eater?” That I would’ve gotten lol. But human satellite? It makes no sense. Just what the hell did she mean by that?! :confused:

I didn't watch this one when I re-watched season 8 a couple of weeks ago, but I don't know that there was anything cut out. I think Natalie just meant as in her being "spacey", a "space cadet"---and used "human satellite to make it funnier. Just a satellite floating in space.


And speaking of unemployment, Blair's comment when she walked into the audition studio saying "Look at all these unemployed people!"....Um hello, you're unemployed yourself missy so don't go throwing stones!

I guess she figures she gets a pass because she's still a college girl, and these are "grown-ups" or people who chose the acting world.


Natalie had the best line of the episode when Cinnamom/Stacy Q/Doppleganger asks "Does Cinnamon have one N or two?"

"Three!" says Natalie with that deadpan look. I literally LOL at that. It was just the way she said the line that was so funny.

It must be something about the way she says it, because it doesn't sound funny at all just reading about it. :lol:


some really grumpy bitch who seemed to hate everything and everyone around her

:lol:


and Stacy Q's doppleganger goes inside to sing her hit “Two of Hearts”, so more 80’s teens can run out to the nearest mall to buy it. lol

:lol:


So far season 8 is really good and i'm enjoying it!! :wave:

I thought you would! :wave:


“The Little Chill”



This really should’ve been an hour long episode because it all felt so rushed and there was no time to develop the stories. We meet 3 of the Lost Girls….Sue Ann, Nancy and Cindy because Molly was too big a star now to breathe the same air as the lowly FOL serfs. :eek:

Well, that's largely how it was back then. Even Nancy McKeon in her podcast said movies were movies and TV was TV, and they did not mix between the mediums. :nonono: I had completely forgotten she addressed this in that podcast until I re-listened to it. So I would only think it was natural for Molly to think she was "too big for TV" back then, because she pretty much was (plus she was still so hurt over being cut from the cast).

I'm assuming you didn't hear the dialogue about Molly, because they cut that in syndication.


I remembered from everyone here that Cindy is the tomboy, Sue Ann the other blond lol (I still don’t know what she was in season 1---what was she?!) and Nancy the one who was in love with Roger who she’s now marrying since being knocked up by him. lol

:lol:, Sue Ann was the conservative midwestern farm girl from Kansas City, Kansas. She was very empty-headed and bubbly early on, then quickly became super smart and fiercely conservative.


Nancy is really tall btw and really towers over the Core Four.

Yes! I doctored a photo on this board putting her head on a giraffe's body, lol. Just in good fun.


I had to wonder if that’s partly why she was axed? The Core Four are all really short with Nancy M being the tallest at just 5’4 I believe. So they probably wanted all the girls to be pretty even in height with no one towering over the others?

Oh, I wouldn't think so. I think they cut her first because she was "just there" for the most part by that point.


So Lisa Whelchel had no problems being in this episode with Nancy being 3 months pregnant before marriage at age 22, but wouldn’t participate when Natalie at age 20 decides to take the orgasmic plunge herself? Her fickleness on that is really weird. It’s ok for Nancy but not Natalie? WHY?!

Yes, and don't forget, she was also perfectly fine with Tootie shown starting to "do it" in the back seat of a car while just out of high school!


I liked how Jo kept Sue Ann’s secret at being a gopher and not vice president in the end. That’s more than I would’ve done, because I would've ran right past her up those stairs to snitch!

:lol: I'm glad I didn't know you when you were younger!


And it’s just another sign of Mrs. G’s wonderful legacy of instilling good values onto her girls over the years. You know that the Jo of season 1 definitely would’ve blabbed on Sue Ann with glee.

Well, while the other girls were at Eastland, the Jo of "season 1" was off camera running around with the wrong crowd in the Bronx getting into all sorts of trouble, so you're kind of right. ;)

At first you think that when Jo backs off and lets Sue Ann keep up her appearance, that Sue Ann realizes Jo's right and will tell her friends the truth. BUT SHE DOESN'T. That doesn't sit well with me. (Hmmm, maybe if she had Mrs. Garrett for more than a year she would have).


It was a good episode but I really wished it had been an hour long to tell the stories better and feel less hurried. They all seemed to be leaving too soon after they just got there.

Yeah, a longer one would have been much nicer. We needed more Cindy (some of her lines are cut in syndication).


I did appreciate the flashbacks. Nancy seems to be the little slut even back then when she was holding the nightie in her hands. It's no wonder she was the first to get pregnant lol.

:rofl:


And it was nice to see Blair & Tootie so young again...makes me look forward to seeing the early episodes again.

I loved seeing Jo & Blair's first meeting again....Talking about her bike, "I'll park it on Blair's FACE!" LOL....Oh I can't wait to see it all again!! :heart:

Yup, that's the naughty part of this show when they do flashback clips---it makes you wanna start it all over again! :loveya:

Thanks! I have fun doing it. :)

There was definitely a feel of cut scenes watching both episodes today. It just felt "off". Thankfully, I saw that my stimulus check is depositing Wednesday so i'll be able to order the dvd's now. Gotta do my part to jump start the economy. :lol:

Better hurry. I saw Amazon only has 14 left in stock :eek: This is money worth spending IMO :cool: Now you won't have to see a badly edited version of The Facts of Life Down Under. It's better uncut. And yes, having all the episodes uncut is better too :)

It's not a back burner part for them. They're spending time with Beverly Ann showing her around New York City. It actually fits with the girls being a friend to Beverly Ann and helping her experience new things of life since her divorce.

Well they are on the back burner as far as the story goes. The big main focus is on Tootie after all.


I get a kick out of The Little Chill. It's supposed to be about the lost girls, but it's about Jo feeling like an outsider. I like how ironic that is.

That's not really a fair assessment. There are those scenes up in the girls' room where it's all about the reunion, and no Jo. And their arrival all but has Jo brushed off to the side. The episode has a good balance between the reunion, and Jo.


Jo is definitely the bigger person than Sue Ann. Sue Ann comes back lying to her friends, rude to Jo, and acting all high and mighty.

:yeahthat


She's a loser. I wouldn't have blamed Jo if she told. However, Jo learned from Mrs. Garrett not to be a lowlife like the other person so it's best she didn't act like Sue Ann.

Go on Christopher, tell us how you really feel about Sue Ann. :confused: :lol:


I don't think it should have been an hour. 24 minutes was enough :lol:

It wasn't enough. We needed to hear more on how Cindy got into her career (I would say Sue Ann too, but she wouldn't be telling the truth). Julie Ann was the better actor so she really should have gotten more "meat" in the episode.


The only silver lining of season 1 for me is Lisa, Kim, and Charlotte. Everything else is eh :whatever:

And others of us do back flips over some of the Lost Girls and Mr. Bradley and Miss Mahoney. "Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks". ;)

And their arrival all but has Jo brushed off to the side.

Exactly my point. Instead of having Jo mix her way in with the girls, they give her her own story that overshadows the reunion. We have Jo feeling like an outsider and getting treated badly by Sue Ann. She was a big focus in the episode.


Go on Christopher, tell us how you really feel about Sue Ann. :confused: :lol:

I'm just saying if you really consider someone your friend, you're not going to lie to them about something as meaningless as what your job is. Natalie is a role model compared to Sue Ann. She's not afraid to admit all the side jobs she has nor cares what anyone thinks. Sue Ann should have learned life lessons in honesty with friends. She let Natalie feel like garbage and jealous of her at the end of the episode. That's a real loser in my book.

It wasn't enough. We needed to hear more on how Cindy got into her career (I would say Sue Ann too, but she wouldn't be telling the truth). Julie Ann was the better actor so she really should have gotten more "meat" in the episode.

Cindy was the only one worth seeing and they didn't even bother trying to give her material to work with. They just wanted to remind us how bad the Sue Ann character was.


And others of us do back flips over some of the Lost Girls and Mr. Bradley and Miss Mahoney. "Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks". ;)

I know others like the first season. That's why I said for me in my original post because it's my opinion :p

I like that part of the episode. Blair and Jo wanting to show Beverly Ann around. Did they show the police officer giving Beverly Ann a ticket? Beverly Ann was getting her way out of it in the beginning, but Blair had to say "just so you can meet some quota" :lol: Blair was very inexperience as well with the big apple and how things work there. I like that they showed Beverly Ann building her rapport with the girls rather than just forcing it there like it's always been there.

It's not a back burner part for them. They're spending time with Beverly Ann showing her around New York City. It actually fits with the girls being a friend to Beverly Ann and helping her experience new things of life since her divorce.


Yeah I saw Beverly Ann get her ticket and Blair made her quota comment. It feels like a back burner scene because Blair & Jo are just sitting in the winnebago the whole time. I don't think they showed Beverly Ann anything. Wasn't she off by herself touring NYC while Jo & Blair just sat in the winnebago the whole day? That's how I interpreted it. That Beverly Ann was off all on her own all around NYC.




It sounds like they cut some of the scene where they first meet Cinnamon. She's a ditzy blonde that eats pencils. She's actually a really good character. I like her second appearance in the show. There's one scene I always lose it on. Tootie offers her animal crackers and Cinnamon replies, "no thanks, I'm a vegetarian" :rotflmao: :crazy:

It seems nothing was edited then because I saw the whole introduction scene where she talked about eating pencils. I guess "satellite" back in the 80's just meant spacey or ditsy? Even thinking of it that way....it still makes no sense and is a stupid joke lol.




I'm glad you're enjoying season 8. It's a strong season. It ranks up there with the Eastland years for sure. And yep, season 8 displays how much the girls really learned from Mrs. Garrett.

Did you notice how Nancy looks like Helen Slater? They really should have acted together since they could pass off as sisters very easily.

So far every episode this season i'm enjoying. I can see the Helen Slater resemblance. I think the only film i've seen with Slater was The Legend of Billie Jean decades ago. I don't know whatever happened to her?



N@N and USA cut the scene where Beverly Ann tells Jo she sees Frank's face at night on her pillow and she sees her fist going through Frank's face when she punches the pillow. Did they show that? If not, then that scene was definitely trimmed.


No! There was no pillow punching from Beverly when she was talking to Jo on the couch! I knew something was edited out there. It just felt too short.


I don't think it should have been an hour. 24 minutes was enough :lol:

The only silver lining of season 1 for me is Lisa, Kim, and Charlotte. Everything else is eh :whatever:

It all just felt rushed to me and I think it could've used more time to tell the story more naturally than it did. I mean they all came and just stayed for a night and split? It should've been a weekend instead.

“Off Broadway Baby”
So far season 8 is really good and i'm enjoying it!! :wave:


Season 8 is a really good season. Good writing, good episodes. Altough Mrs. Garrett was no longer with the girls, the Core four show us what they have learned from her housemother/dietitian/mentor, after seven years with her.
I'm glad you like it too! In order I like:
Season 2 (the best in my opinion)
Season 3
Season 4
Season 8

Yeah I saw Beverly Ann get her ticket and Blair made her quota comment. It feels like a back burner scene because Blair & Jo are just sitting in the winnebago the whole time. I don't think they showed Beverly Ann anything. Wasn't she off by herself touring NYC while Jo & Blair just sat in the winnebago the whole day? That's how I interpreted it. That Beverly Ann was off all on her own all around NYC.

Then they cut the scenes where it's mention that Blair and Jo are showing Beverly Ann around New York City. That's why Beverly Ann, Blair, and Jo aren't waiting with Tootie.

No! There was no pillow punching from Beverly when she was talking to Jo on the couch! I knew something was edited out there. It just felt too short.

I'm glad I didn't watch it then. I'd be on here complaining like I did last Friday :lol:

Season 8 is a really good season. Good writing, good episodes. Altough Mrs. Garrett was no longer with the girls, the Core four show us what they have learned from her housemother/dietitian/mentor, after seven years with her.
I'm glad you like it too! In order I like:
Season 2 (the best in my opinion)
Season 3
Season 4
Season 8

I agree season 2 is the best season. I put season 8 right after. The show bounced back in a strong way. The core four are tight friends who set good examples. Beverly Ann isn't annoying and actually serves a purpose. Majority of the season is hilarious. I like how season 8 turned out. Then I would put seasons 3 and 4 right after 8.

It must be something about the way she says it, because it doesn't sound funny at all just reading about it. :lol:

It was most definitely in the delivery of the line as well as the look on Mindy's face when she delivered it.

After Cinnamon asks "one N or two in Cinnamon?" Natalie says "Three" without missing a beat and gives this deadpan look that says "you stupid airhead bitch." It was just funny and does fall flat when just reading it I think. :(



I'm assuming you didn't hear the dialogue about Molly, because they cut that in syndication.

Nope! There was absolutely NO mention of Molly! Did they say nice things about her? Like how pretty she always looked in pink or how she always ate club sandwiches for breakfast? :lol:








Yes! I doctored a photo on this board putting her head on a giraffe's body, lol. Just in good fun.

I want to see that! :lol:
















Well, while the other girls were at Eastland, the Jo of "season 1" was off camera running around with the wrong crowd in the Bronx getting into all sorts of trouble, so you're kind of right. ;)

Oops! I meant the Jo of season 2! :lol:

At first you think that when Jo backs off and lets Sue Ann keep up her appearance, that Sue Ann realizes Jo's right and will tell her friends the truth. BUT SHE DOESN'T. That doesn't sit well with me. (Hmmm, maybe if she had Mrs. Garrett for more than a year she would have).


I didn't go for that either and it made Sue Ann even more of a loser (as Christopher calls her lol) than before. She even says "It doesn't matter" while looking at Jo....well if it doesn't matter then tell your friends the truth you lying bitch! Am I going to hate her in season 1 now? If she's like this I will! :lol:



Yeah, a longer one would have been much nicer. We needed more Cindy (some of her lines are cut in syndication).

That's sad Cindy barely had anything to say, and she was supposed to be this big model. It left me wondering...where is her story? It seems she was just....there.

“Off Broadway Baby”


Another good episode and one that I remember seeing originally and also again last year for the Decades marathon.

I don’t get how Tootie wants to be an actress for the longest time, goes to an off Broadway audition and tells the person there that she doesn’t have 8X10’s of herself?! What the hell?! There’s no way in the world she wouldn’t have hundreds of photos already stacked and ready to give out at her auditions. Being an actress is like an obsession with her and she’d definitely be prepared! It was really a wtf moment in the writing department!

The song she’s practicing is of course “Two of Hearts” by Stacy Q and then she meets her doppleganger at the audition who also happens to be singing that same song that’s “on the charts” as doppleganger so shamelessly says to make sure the viewer knows so they can rush out and buy the 45 in the morning. (Hell, I did) :lol:

Meanwhile. Beverly Ann is going all over NYC seeing the sights because Tootie is number 316 to audition and will take the whole day. She visits the Empire State Building as well as The Statue of Liberty, and probably went around Manhattan on the Circle Line a couple of times too.

I also just noticed in this episode that Natalie suddenly has red hair. Her bright green sweater really highlighted the redness of it. It’s...different, but I prefer her with the brownish/blond she had last season. She’s no redhead imo and not really a good look on her. I hope she changed it back soon afterwards.

And there had to have been a scene cut. There just HAD to...When Tootie tells Natalie that Cinnamon is singing the same song she wants to sing, and is much better than her, Natalie says “Cinnamon the human satellite”?!....What the hell does that mean? I didn’t get it. Something had to be missing there...

She was a pencil eater. We saw that…So had Natalie said “Cinnamon the human pencil eater?” That I would’ve gotten lol. But human satellite? It makes no sense. Just what the hell did she mean by that?! :confused:

Jo & Blair take the back burner this episode for side scenes in the winnebago that was illegally parked and kept getting parking tickets. Yawn….Although I wondered if Jo had flashbacks to her photo teacher affair when the horse came to the window lol. And Blair’s hair looks really good in this one...she finally must’ve fired that studio hair stylist and sent her to the unemployment line!

And speaking of unemployment, Blair's comment when she walked into the audition studio saying "Look at all these unemployed people!"....Um hello, you're unemployed yourself missy so don't go throwing stones! :nonono:

Natalie had the best line of the episode when Cinnamom/Stacy Q/Doppleganger asks "Does Cinnamon have one N or two?"

"Three!" says Natalie with that deadpan look. I literally LOL at that. It was just the way she said the line that was so funny. :lol:

Anyway, Tootie tries to pull an “All About Eve” on her competitor at the advice of some really grumpy bitch who seemed to hate everything and everyone around her...and she actually succeeds in eliminating the doppleganger but then feels incredible guilt at doing something so underhanded and bitchy.

Mrs. G may be gone, but the lessons taught to Tootie by her are there in that audition studio as she hands doppleganger her #316 audition paper and Stacy Q's doppleganger goes inside to sing her hit “Two of Hearts”, so more 80’s teens can run out to the nearest mall to buy it. :lol:

So far season 8 is really good and i'm enjoying it!! :wave:

“The Little Chill”



This really should’ve been an hour long episode because it all felt so rushed and there was no time to develop the stories. We meet 3 of the Lost Girls….Sue Ann, Nancy and Cindy because Molly was too big a star now to breathe the same air as the lowly FOL serfs. :eek:

I remembered from everyone here that Cindy is the tomboy, Sue Ann the other blond lol (I still don’t know what she was in season 1---what was she?!) and Nancy the one who was in love with Roger who she’s now marrying since being knocked up by him. :lol:

Nancy is really tall btw and really towers over the Core Four. I had to wonder if that’s partly why she was axed? The Core Four are all really short with Nancy M being the tallest at just 5’4 I believe. So they probably wanted all the girls to be pretty even in height with no one towering over the others? And we all know Mrs. G was really short, so it was something I noticed while watching. That girl Nancy has to be at least 5’7 or 5’8.

One thing is certain….they all wore SO much makeup in this episode. OMG I know it was the 80’s but that’s a LOT of color on those faces. Even Tootie had so many colors caked onto her face. I do miss when women wore that much makeup though...it was a lot more fun and pretty than the boring “natural” look women go for today.

I loved how Jo was the outsider and i’m sure it was purposely made that way because the viewer most likely felt the same way watching these strange girls visiting. And I liked how Jo wasn’t impressed with any of it and didn't bother being fake nice to them. Everyone hates being told "You had to be there"...Um, F U lol. :lol:

The scene on the couch with Beverly Ann & Jo was my favorite and was really appropriate here as she too is an outsider with the girls so she could totally empathize with Jo. That scene too felt cut short so I wonder if there was more to it that i’ll see on the dvd? It felt like there was more to that conversation that wasn't shown.

So Lisa Whelchel had no problems being in this episode with Nancy being 3 months pregnant before marriage at age 22, but wouldn’t participate when Natalie at age 20 decides to take the orgasmic plunge herself? Her fickleness on that is really weird. It’s ok for Nancy but not Natalie? WHY?! :confused:

I liked how Jo kept Sue Ann’s secret at being a gopher and not vice president in the end. That’s more than I would’ve done, because I would've ran right past her up those stairs to snitch!

And it’s just another sign of Mrs. G’s wonderful legacy of instilling good values onto her girls over the years. You know that the Jo of season 1 definitely would’ve blabbed on Sue Ann with glee. But season 8 Jo is more mature and now has empathy and decides against it. That’s all Mrs. G’s influence on her! :loveya:

It was a good episode but I really wished it had been an hour long to tell the stories better and feel less hurried. They all seemed to be leaving too soon after they just got there.

I did appreciate the flashbacks. Nancy seems to be the little slut even back then when she was holding the nightie in her hands. It's no wonder she was the first to get pregnant lol.

And it was nice to see Blair & Tootie so young again...makes me look forward to seeing the early episodes again.

I loved seeing Jo & Blair's first meeting again....Talking about her bike, "I'll park it on Blair's FACE!" LOL....Oh I can't wait to see it all again!! :heart:

Jo would never snitch on anyone. She lived by the No Snitch code of the streets. Tootie, on the other hand. Jo was not in season 1 either.

Nancy O. was not a slut. That would have been Blair. Nancy O. had Roger as a steady boyfriend, though in a couple of episodes it did sound like they "experimented" when she was at Eastland. Height had nothing to do with her not being retained. She was relegated to Wallpaper shortly after the IQ episode. Nancy O. did tower over Tootie in Season 2 when she threatened to shove a globe down Tootie's throat and Tootie wasn't wearing roller skates at this time in Gossip.

Mrs. G. was quite short. Even 11/12 year old Molly was taller than her. Molly would have been even taller than Nancy O. if she was in the episode.

You are right that it should have been an hour show. They never explained the story of Cindy going from model to feminine model. The story of Jo feeling left out even though she knew the girls back in season 2 and 3 took a lot away from other story lines.

Totally new writers that season who didn't do any prior season episodes so they were totally unfamiliar with the continuity of the series.

I agree season 2 is the best season. I put season 8 right after. The show bounced back in a strong way. The core four are tight friends who set good examples. Beverly Ann isn't annoying and actually serves a purpose. Majority of the season is hilarious. I like how season 8 turned out. Then I would put seasons 3 and 4 right after 8.

Season 2 is the best. I like the new set, the new theme song, the new Mrs. Garrett, the episodes are really good, Jo's character worked really well with Blair and other things.

Agree about Beverly Ann, she was funny (I like her stories:lol:), but what I really like about her is that she is a character of her own, not a clone/replacement of Mrs. Garrett

Mrs. G. was quite short. Even 11/12 year old Molly was taller than her

I never noticed how short she was until I watched the Muhammad Ali episode on Diff'rent Strokes

I never noticed how short she was until I watched the Muhammad Ali episode on Diff'rent Strokes

She was next to Gary Coleman, a short Dana Plato, and Todd Bridges didn't experience a growth spurt until he was older. You can see how short Mrs. G. was when she was shorter than all the girls except for 10 year oid Kim Fields on roller skates.

She was next to Gary Coleman, a short Dana Plato, and Todd Bridges didn't experience a growth spurt until he was older. You can see how short Mrs. G. was when she was shorter than all the girls except for 10 year oid Kim Fields on roller skates.

As a kid, I never paid attention to this when I watched the episodes. After Muhammad Ali, everything changed :lol::lol::lol:

Season 2 is the best. I like the new set, the new theme song, the new Mrs. Garrett, the episodes are really good, Jo's character worked really well with Blair and other things.

I like Mrs. Garrett's character, but her appearance in season 2 is a big shock that takes getting used to. The weight loss was good for her I'm sure, but unfortunately it left her face deflated, like a balloon. But there's no way around that. I prefer her when she finds a nice physical "balance" by season 3 (maybe later season 2?) where she doesn't look deflated.

“The Little Chill”

This really should’ve been an hour long episode because it all felt so rushed and there was no time to develop the stories. We meet 3 of the Lost Girls….Sue Ann, Nancy and Cindy because Molly was too big a star now to breathe the same air as the lowly FOL serfs. :eek:

I'm sure you got an episode with cut scenes. And I don't blame Molly for not appearing: I wish she would have, and then they almost certainly would have done a two-parter, but in 1986, she had written that her FOL season two appearance was her "worst job ever". There was no way that she would have come back. 12-year-old Molly was deeply hurt by the Cast Purge, and Molly still hadn't forgiven the producers in 1986.


I remembered from everyone here that Cindy is the tomboy, Sue Ann the other blond lol (I still don’t know what she was in season 1---what was she?!) and Nancy the one who was in love with Roger who she’s now marrying since being knocked up by him. :lol:

Sue Ann was the conservative all-American girl from the Midwest, on a scholarship to Eastland.


Nancy is really tall btw and really towers over the Core Four. I had to wonder if that’s partly why she was axed? The Core Four are all really short with Nancy M being the tallest at just 5’4 I believe. So they probably wanted all the girls to be pretty even in height with no one towering over the others? And we all know Mrs. G was really short, so it was something I noticed while watching. That girl Nancy has to be at least 5’7 or 5’8.

Google says 5'6", but that 1980s hairdo would have added two inches easily! :lol:


One thing is certain….they all wore SO much makeup in this episode. OMG I know it was the 80’s but that’s a LOT of color on those faces. Even Tootie had so many colors caked onto her face. I do miss when women wore that much makeup though...it was a lot more fun and pretty than the boring “natural” look women go for today.

It was the late '80s, and the caked make-up and giant hair look was "in".


I loved how Jo was the outsider and i’m sure it was purposely made that way because the viewer most likely felt the same way watching these strange girls visiting. And I liked how Jo wasn’t impressed with any of it and didn't bother being fake nice to them. Everyone hates being told "You had to be there"...Um, F U lol. :lol:

I liked how they took the spitfire from Season One and the spitfire from Season Two and had them clash. Without Sue Ann, we'd have no marijuana episode, no starvation diets, no angry competition over the track meet, no black-eyed Blair.


So Lisa Whelchel had no problems being in this episode with Nancy being 3 months pregnant before marriage at age 22, but wouldn’t participate when Natalie at age 20 decides to take the orgasmic plunge herself? Her fickleness on that is really weird. It’s ok for Nancy but not Natalie? WHY?! :confused:

I don't know, but maybe it's because Nancy was in a committed, seven-year relationship with Roger, unlike Natalie/Snake. Or maybe because they showed the possible consequences of pre-marital sex, and showed that Nancy wasn't all that happy about it.


I liked how Jo kept Sue Ann’s secret at being a gopher and not vice president in the end. That’s more than I would’ve done, because I would've ran right past her up those stairs to snitch!

Jo was never a snitch; when she was a street kid, snitching would have very bad consequences. Jo says it herself in the Season 2 episode "Gossip": she's no snitch!


It was a good episode but I really wished it had been an hour long to tell the stories better and feel less hurried. They all seemed to be leaving too soon after they just got there.

I agree, but what can you do? I'm just so glad we got closure.


I did appreciate the flashbacks. Nancy seems to be the little slut even back then when she was holding the nightie in her hands. It's no wonder she was the first to get pregnant lol.

:lol:

Jo would never snitch on anyone. She lived by the No Snitch code of the streets.

Haha! I wrote basically the same thing! :lol:

12-year-old Molly was deeply hurt by the Cast Purge, and Molly still hadn't forgiven the producers in 1986.

And was riding high from "Pretty in Pink" that year, on top of her other previous smash films.


Google says 5'6", but that 1980s hairdo would have added two inches easily! :lol:

I'd say 4 to 5 inches just from memory! :lol:


It was the late '80s, and the caked make-up and giant hair look was "in".

Like the '60s all over again! :lol:


I don't know, but maybe it's because Nancy was in a committed, seven-year relationship with Roger, unlike Natalie/Snake. Or maybe because they showed the possible consequences of pre-marital sex, and showed that Nancy wasn't all that happy about it.

I think you're giving Lisa too much credit here. That's a criticism on Lisa though, not you; she made such a big stink over the whole "premarital sex" thing. By being so extreme, she has no excuse to be "okay" with this episode. Or the one where Tootie starts to have sex. :eek:

I'm sure you got an episode with cut scenes. And I don't blame Molly for not appearing: I wish she would have, and then they almost certainly would have done a two-parter, but in 1986, she had written that her FOL season two appearance was her "worst job ever". There was no way that she would have come back. 12-year-old Molly was deeply hurt by the Cast Purge, and Molly still hadn't forgiven the producers in 1986.

Being an actress, you would think she really wouldn't have taken it so personally and it's a little odd that she did. When I read Kim Field's book recently, she was thankful how her Mom instilled this in her very early on when it came to work.

I forgot the exact wording, but in a nutshell she made sure Kim knew if she didn't get a part or was let go, it just meant they were looking for someone or something different and it was no reflection on her personally and to always remember that.

It's sad that Molly didn't harbor this kind of thinking herself. Does she still feel such animosity towards the show now?



I liked how they took the spitfire from Season One and the spitfire from Season Two and had them clash. Without Sue Ann, we'd have no marijuana episode, no starvation diets, no angry competition over the track meet, no black-eyed Blair.

So Sue Ann was basically a version of Jo before Nancy M came along?



I don't know, but maybe it's because Nancy was in a committed, seven-year relationship with Roger, unlike Natalie/Snake. Or maybe because they showed the possible consequences of pre-marital sex, and showed that Nancy wasn't all that happy about it.

And she even said that tacky line "I guess the Butler did it!" in reference to Nancy getting knocked up. For someone who was supposedly so puritan, it's weird how nonchalant Lisa is about it in this episode.

And speaking of puritan I forgot the funny bit with Beverly Ann and the roses when the Lost Girls were leaving. She hands a yellow and red to Sue Ann and Cindy...and then a white one "for purity" to Nancy LOL.

Then she says "purity is in the heart!"....but did she know Nancy was pregnant? She only revealed it in the bedroom when Beverly wasn't there. Unless Tootie ran to Beverly's room to gossip! :lol:



Jo was never a snitch; when she was a street kid, snitching would have very bad consequences. Jo says it herself in the Season 2 episode "Gossip": she's no snitch!


This is true and I can't believe I didn't remember this! I saw 80'sDude mentioned the same thing and it's 100% correct. Jo wasn't a snitch and wouldn't have done it no matter what. I'm a bad fan. :lol::wave:

It's sad that Molly didn't harbor this kind of thinking herself. Does she still feel such animosity towards the show now?

Well perhaps you may want to blame Mother Molly, since you credit Mother Kim for instilling it in Kim. ;)

And Molly isn't as antagonistic toward the show as she was in the '80s and '90s. Just in the past couple of years alone we have had her acknowledge the show 3 times: Once when she recorded a video message for Charlotte's 90th birthday on Hallmark's "Home & Family", when she discussed the show a little bit on "Watch What Happens Live" with Andy Cohen, and the latest and meatiest thing, a video interview with "People" online where she was asked about the show and talked about the cast purge.


So Sue Ann was basically a version of Jo before Nancy M came along?

Not really. Jo was her own character, but she did have shades of Sue Ann, Cindy, and Molly (she was never phone-glued wallpaper like Nancy, lol).


And she even said that tacky line "I guess the Butler did it!" in reference to Nancy getting knocked up. For someone who was supposedly so puritan, it's weird how nonchalant Lisa is about it in this episode.

Ha! Good point!


And speaking of puritan I forgot the funny bit with Beverly Ann and the roses when the Lost Girls were leaving. She hands a yellow and red to Sue Ann and Cindy...and then a white one "for purity" to Nancy LOL.

Then she says "purity is in the heart!"....but did she know Nancy was pregnant? She only revealed it in the bedroom when Beverly wasn't there. Unless Tootie ran to Beverly's room to gossip! :lol:

Yeah that was funny, lol. From Beverly Ann's "faux pas" reaction, I think we're supposed to assume that she found out at some point.

Exactly my point. Instead of having Jo mix her way in with the girls, they give her her own story that overshadows the reunion. We have Jo feeling like an outsider and getting treated badly by Sue Ann. She was a big focus in the episode.

No, I said Jo was brushed off to the side as in brushed out of the way; lack of lines and focus. You don't think about Jo there, the focus is on all the other girls (well, I guess the Jo fans think about her, lol).


I know others like the first season. That's why I said for me in my original post because it's my opinion :p

I know. I just wanted to show another opinion so he'll start season 1 with a balanced mind. :lol: Then whatever he thinks, he thinks. :)

Being an actress, you would think she really wouldn't have taken it so personally and it's a little odd that she did. When I read Kim Field's book recently, she was thankful how her Mom instilled this in her very early on when it came to work.

I forgot the exact wording, but in a nutshell she made sure Kim knew if she didn't get a part or was let go, it just meant they were looking for someone or something different and it was no reflection on her personally and to always remember that.

It's sad that Molly didn't harbor this kind of thinking herself. Does she still feel such animosity towards the show now?

As far as I'm aware, Molly didn't mention the show for thirty years (1986-2016). For years, I've had access to an online database of newspaper articles in which there are thousands of articles mentioning or interviewing the Lost Girls, at least half of which mention Molly Ringwald. In not a single one does she mention FOL. Not ever.

She also didn't do the 2006 DVD interviews, or any of the documentaries (1999, 2000, 2005, 2019), or any of the reunions. As far as I'm aware, she's not even aware that the Lost Girls were nominated in 2008 for a TV Land Award, in the category Favorite Characters Who Went Missing.

So we were all very shocked and surprised when a couple of years ago, she started doing interviews talking about FOL, and even wishing Charlotte a happy 90th in a reunion recording. We were floored!

We hope Molly continues talking about her time on the show, and that we get more details. The bits we have from her are great, but they are a very small fraction of what we have from Felice and The Julies. That's because Julie Pie and Felice have done soooo many of the documentaries (Felice and Julie Pie were in Cast Confessions, Behind Closed Doors, Truth Behind the Sitcoms, the E! True Hollywood Story, and both the DVD interviews), and Julie Anne has done several as well (Behind Closed Doors, the Child Stars interview, and both of the DVD interviews).Molly needs to catch up! :lol:


So Sue Ann was basically a version of Jo before Nancy M came along?

Yes and no. Sue Ann was in some ways the anti-Jo: kind, where Jo would be snide. Conservative when Jo would be liberal. But she definitely served as a foil for Blair, and their frenemy relationship was a major thread throughout Season One. We even get hints of this in later seasons, although we see that now Sue Ann is mostly hanging around Cindy (still her roommate and bestie) and Nancy.


And she even said that tacky line "I guess the Butler did it!" in reference to Nancy getting knocked up. For someone who was supposedly so puritan, it's weird how nonchalant Lisa is about it in this episode.

That's a good point.


And speaking of puritan I forgot the funny bit with Beverly Ann and the roses when the Lost Girls were leaving. She hands a yellow and red to Sue Ann and Cindy...and then a white one "for purity" to Nancy LOL.

Then she says "purity is in the heart!"....but did she know Nancy was pregnant? She only revealed it in the bedroom when Beverly wasn't there. Unless Tootie ran to Beverly's room to gossip! :lol:

I think you've answered your own question! :lol: I can't imagine in a house with five women living in it, that that secret would last very long!


This is true and I can't believe I didn't remember this! I saw 80'sDude mentioned the same thing and it's 100% correct. Jo wasn't a snitch and wouldn't have done it no matter what. I'm a bad fan. :lol::wave:

Well, some of us have seen the early episodes a few times... :lol:

It was just funny and does fall flat when just reading it I think. :(

And that's not on you, it's just one of those things that can't come across in text because it's all verbal and visual. :)


Nope! There was absolutely NO mention of Molly! Did they say nice things about her? Like how pretty she always looked in pink or how she always ate club sandwiches for breakfast? :lol:

Oh! Well let me fill you in! :clap:

After the black eye flashback in the OOH store, Nancy says "It's too bad Molly couldn't make it", and the girls say "Yeah", "I know", etc., and Cindy says, "What's she doing now anyway?"

And Tootie says, "I don't know. I called her, but her mom said she was really busy." And Cindy wonders with what, and Tootie says, "She didn't say."

Some fans think that's kind of a "nudge nudge, wink wink" to Molly Ringwald being a smash A-list Hollywood movie star at that point.

And then one of the girls (I think it's Nancy or Blair) brings says "Do you think she's forgiven us for that time we short-sheeted her bed?" and they all ":lol:" and then move on to another subject (the short-sheeting was never shown in any season 1 episode, so it was an "off-camera incident").


I didn't go for that either and it made Sue Ann even more of a loser (as Christopher calls her lol) than before. She even says "It doesn't matter" while looking at Jo....well if it doesn't matter then tell your friends the truth you lying bitch!

:rofl:


Am I going to hate her in season 1 now? If she's like this I will! :lol:

:lol: I can't answer that for you. Only you can find the truth cfr, by looking inside yourself. :lol: :p It will definitely be a new "rejuvenating" experience for you watching the show very closely from the very beginning.


That's sad Cindy barely had anything to say, and she was supposed to be this big model. It left me wondering...where is her story? It seems she was just....there.

Yeah, we should've had more on her life.

thousands of articles mentioning or interviewing the Lost Girls, at least half of which mention Molly Ringwald. In not a single one does she mention FOL.

Thousands?? Thousands of articles on just the 4 Lost Girls??? :eek:


(Felice and Julie Pie were in Cast Confessions, Behind Closed Doors, Truth Behind the Sitcoms, the E! True Hollywood Story, and both the DVD interviews)

Julie Anne was in the DVD interviews, but Julie Pie wasn't (but I know you know, lol).


I think you've answered your own question! :lol: I can't imagine in a house with five women living in it, that that secret would last very long!

OOOOooooo just wait until MOLLY hears you said that!! :eek:

:lol:

And Molly isn't as antagonistic toward the show as she was in the '80s and '90s. Just in the past couple of years alone we have had her acknowledge the show 3 times: Once when she recorded a video message for Charlotte's 90th birthday on Hallmark's "Home & Family", when she discussed the show a little bit on "Watch What Happens Live" with Andy Cohen, and the latest and meatiest thing, a video interview with "People" online where she was asked about the show and talked about the cast purge.

It's nice to see she finally let go of her animosity. I read she even made negative comments about her film "The Breakfast Club" years after the fact. It just seems she has this pattern of having a bitterness towards her own work and can't just be proud and grateful for the opportunities that she's had.

And you called me negative lol....Molly seems 10X worse!! :lol:

And was riding high from "Pretty in Pink" that year, on top of her other previous smash films.

Yes, of course. She certainly didn't need to stoop to appearing on a show that had demoted her to extra.


I'd say 4 to 5 inches just from memory! :lol:


So true! Nancy's hair is VERY big, there! :lol:


I think you're giving Lisa too much credit here. That's a criticism on Lisa though, not you; she made such a big stink over the whole "premarital sex" thing. By being so extreme, she has no excuse to be "okay" with this episode. Or the one where Tootie starts to have sex. :eek:

Sure, she was so extreme about "The First Time", but in TFT, are there any consequences to Natalie's pre-marital sex? And we see in TLC that there are. There's a difference, there. In the SJR interview you kindly linked today, Lisa describes pre-marital sex as "destructive", and we see this, to some extent, in TLC.

And even though I wish Lisa had appeared in the show, to provide a counterpoint, I'm glad that she handled the episode by asking to be written out of it, rather than what Kirk Cameron would have done: called the producers "pornographers" and demanded that a fellow actress be fired! :lol:

This is another reason why I adore Lisa: even when I think she's being unreasonable and overly rigid, I can look at Kirk Cameron's record, and suddenly, Lisa's beliefs and behaviors don't feel so extreme anymore.

Thousands?? Thousands of articles on just the 4 Lost Girls??? :eek:

Definitely thousands. I'd say during the FOL era (1979-1988, FYI Sally Jessy Raphael :lol:), there were at least 5,000 newspaper articles about Molly, although some of those would be duplicates, or didn't mention FOL. And as a rough estimate, I'd say the number of articles for Felice was also quite large, both during the first season of FOL as well as during the Zapped era. That's part of the reason the Vintage FOL Promo ads, articles, and pictures (https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=324139) thread is 34 pages long! :lol:


Julie Anne was in the DVD interviews, but Julie Pie wasn't (but I know you know, lol).

Woops, thanks for the correction. duh.


OOOOooooo just wait until MOLLY hears you said that!! :eek:

:lol:

:lol: All I'm saying is that women are more communicative.

She was next to Gary Coleman, a short Dana Plato, and Todd Bridges didn't experience a growth spurt until he was older. You can see how short Mrs. G. was when she was shorter than all the girls except for 10 year oid Kim Fields on roller skates.


MRS G was definitely 'petite', and i reckon that's why she was wearing high heels all the time: to look even, or almost as tall as the girls if she wanted to be an authoritative figure;););)

MRS G seemed 'taller' during season 1 (probably cos she was bigger) and probably due to the fact that the girls were still wearing trainers and kiddies clothes: on the episode 'Like mother, like daughter' she was the exact same height as BLAIR.

From season 2 onward, MRS G either shrunk, or maybe due to her loss of weight and because BLAIR start wearing high heels she suddenly looked a lot smaller.....:confused::confused::confused:

:dog::dog::dog:

I like Mrs. Garrett's character, but her appearance in season 2 is a big shock that takes getting used to. The weight loss was good for her I'm sure, but unfortunately it left her face deflated, like a balloon. But there's no way around that. I prefer her when she finds a nice physical "balance" by season 3 (maybe later season 2?) where she doesn't look deflated.

Yeah, for a good part of the season her face was deflated. But by the end of the season, she returned normal.
I also like her style during season 3, with darker hair and more weight:lol:

Remember Cfr, Julie who plays Sue Ann is the one really kind to fans and still supported her cast after she let go. I wouldn’t say Nat and Sue Ann were ever that close, didn’t Natalie even mock her in Running, and Sue Ann and the other lost girls were making fun of Nat in Sex Symbol too. Sue Ann was the book smart girl, but also easily pressured to do things to make her more popular. She was pretty sensitive in s1, and tried to help Molly reunite her parents, and even advised against Blair searching for Natalie’s birth parents so quickly which Nat eventually agrees with.

Anyway I think Sue Ann was ashamed she wasn’t further along in her career and it was nice to see Jo keep her secret and have a moment of bonding. Plus Blair always made fun of her and she prob wanted to prove to her that she could be a success. What show hasn’t had a hs reunion Ep where even main chars pretend to be better off than they are? Also remember s2 Jo didn’t squeal, just ask Tootie, Blair and Nancy in Gossip. :lol:

I just bought the COMPLETE SERIES!! :clap::dance::banana::gossip

I saw a listing on E Bay for just $46.85 with shipping in "Like New" condition and pictures. I contacted the seller asking if this was a pre owned set rather than bootleged and he confirmed it was bought at Best Buy and he sent me more pics of the discs and packaging. All looked great so I bit the bullet and bought it!! :eek:

The brand new set on Amazon is going for $79.99 and would be $85.00 after tax so this saves me almost $40 bucks!! I just pray it's pre owned from retail like he says and not a bootleg. I don't mind preowned as I get most of my dvd's used and they play great.

And as long as they all play I don't care if it's not brand new!! It should arrive by May 6th and i'm so excited for it to get here now!! present::mail:party:

MRS G was definitely 'petite', and i reckon that's why she was wearing high heels all the time: to look even, or almost as tall as the girls if she wanted to be an authoritative figure;););)

MRS G seemed 'taller' during season 1 (probably cos she was bigger) and probably due to the fact that the girls were still wearing trainers and kiddies clothes: on the episode 'Like mother, like daughter' she was the exact same height as BLAIR.

From season 2 onward, MRS G either shrunk, or maybe due to her loss of weight and because BLAIR start wearing high heels she suddenly looked a lot smaller.....:confused::confused::confused:

:dog::dog::dog:

She seemed taller in season 1 to me too. But I think it was the huge hair (or wig?) and the heels as you said.
I remember one summer in Rome (early 2000s) I saw Katherine Kelly Lang (Brooke of The Bold and the Beautiful) and I was surprised how tiny she was. TV gives us a not so good view :lol:

I just bought the COMPLETE SERIES!! :clap::dance::banana::gossip

I saw a listing on E Bay for just $46.85 with shipping in "Like New" condition and pictures. I contacted the seller asking if this was a pre owned set rather than bootleged and he confirmed it was bought at Best Buy and he sent me more pics of the discs and packaging. All looked great so I bit the bullet and bought it!! :eek:

The brand new set on Amazon is going for $79.99 and would be $85.00 after tax so this saves me almost $40 bucks!! I just pray it's pre owned from retail like he says and not a bootleg. I don't mind preowned as I get most of my dvd's used and they play great.

And as long as they all play I don't care if it's not brand new!! It should arrive by May 6th and i'm so excited for it to get here now!! present::mail:party:

Wow cfr, I'm so happy for you! The Complete Series Box contains so many extras, good!

Wow cfr, I'm so happy for you! The Complete Series Box contains so many extras, good!

I just hope they all play ok!! And yeah, I want to see the extras and the movies too. Especially the Australia one because I don't remember anything about that one and don't want to see the butchered version on TV when it plays split into 4 episodes.

Remember Cfr, Julie who plays Sue Ann is the one really kind to fans and still supported her cast after she let go. I wouldn’t say Nat and Sue Ann were ever that close, didn’t Natalie even mock her in Running, and Sue Ann and the other lost girls were making fun of Nat in Sex Symbol too. Sue Ann was the book smart girl, but also easily pressured to do things to make her more popular. She was pretty sensitive in s1, and tried to help Molly reunite her parents, and even advised against Blair searching for Natalie’s birth parents so quickly which Nat eventually agrees with.

Anyway I think Sue Ann was ashamed she wasn’t further along in her career and it was nice to see Jo keep her secret and have a moment of bonding. Plus Blair always made fun of her and she prob wanted to prove to her that she could be a success. What show hasn’t had a hs reunion Ep where even main chars pretend to be better off than they are? Also remember s2 Jo didn’t squeal, just ask Tootie, Blair and Nancy in Gossip. :lol:
Wow lots of new posts. Just incase you missed this post I made :D

Wow lots of new posts. Just incase you missed this post I made :D

Yes I did miss it because I was thinking to myself "What the hell is he quoting a post from himself?" lol. So many new posts it's easy to get lost in the shuffle. I'm glad you bumped it otherwise i'd have probably missed it completely! :eek:

So Nat was looking for her birth parents all the way in the first season?!

I didn't know the history between Sue Ann & Blair, so that makes it a little more understanding why she'd want to show her up in the reunion and have her think she's a big success.

But one look in Over Our Heads should've made her feel more comfortable seeing her hawking fish pens and Godzilla pencil sharpeners where it's unmentionable where you stick the pencil for sharpening! :lol:

She even saw Blair admitting how tacky all that stuff was and had a good laugh about it, so there was no pretense on Blair's side at least and I think that should've eased Sue Ann's fears of looking like a failure to them.

If Blair can laugh at herself selling that tacky stuff, surely Sue Ann can pipe up and say, "hey everyone i'm just a gofer!" The core four were just all happy being themselves but Sue Ann couldn't do that and it's sad.

It was nice Jo bonded with her, but i'm sure Jo looked at her pitifully. Not for being a gofer, but for lying and putting up a pretense to her friends who weren't doing that with her.

I'm looking forward now to season 1 more than ever that I have the dvd's coming and can watch all episodes unedited and without commercials!! :):wave:

Sure, she was so extreme about "The First Time", but in TFT, are there any consequences to Natalie's pre-marital sex? And we see in TLC that there are. There's a difference, there.

Actually there seem to be more consequences than I'd thought, to me, anyway. I used to think Natalie had sex, it was big news, "Yay! I'm a woman!", a few laughs, smiles, end of show. I had forgotten that she started having doubts about it and wondering if she had done the right thing. So you'd think that's where Lisa would wanna pop up and say "NO! You did the WRONG thing!" :lol:

Well Atleast Blair didn’t make fun of Sue Ann’s body this time, but she knows Blair is still rich despite selling tacky gifts, and likely still wanted to impress her

I just bought the COMPLETE SERIES!! :clap::dance::banana::gossip

I saw a listing on E Bay for just $46.85 with shipping in "Like New" condition and pictures. I contacted the seller asking if this was a pre owned set rather than bootleged and he confirmed it was bought at Best Buy and he sent me more pics of the discs and packaging. All looked great so I bit the bullet and bought it!! :eek:

The brand new set on Amazon is going for $79.99 and would be $85.00 after tax so this saves me almost $40 bucks!! I just pray it's pre owned from retail like he says and not a bootleg. I don't mind preowned as I get most of my dvd's used and they play great.

And as long as they all play I don't care if it's not brand new!! It should arrive by May 6th and i'm so excited for it to get here now!! present::mail:party:
Congratulations, CFR! Enjoy!

(I wrote some comments to you, above, which I don't think you saw. They're now back on a previous page).

Actually there seem to be more consequences than I'd thought, to me, anyway. I used to think Natalie had sex, it was big news, "Yay! I'm a woman!", a few laughs, smiles, end of show. I had forgotten that she started having doubts about it and wondering if she had done the right thing. So you'd think that's where Lisa would wanna pop up and say "NO! You did the WRONG thing!" :lol:

But there are no consequences. Natalie doesn't get pregnant, need an abortion, or contract a venereal disease from "doing it" outside the bounds of holy matrimony. Lisa in the SJR clip says that girls who make that choice face "destructive" consequences. In TLC, we see the results of pre-marital sex: Nancy is pregnant.

As far as I'm aware, Molly didn't mention the show for thirty years (1986-2016). For years, I've had access to an online database of newspaper articles in which there are thousands of articles mentioning or interviewing the Lost Girls, at least half of which mention Molly Ringwald. In not a single one does she mention FOL. Not ever.

She also didn't do the 2006 DVD interviews, or any of the documentaries (1999, 2000, 2005, 2019), or any of the reunions. As far as I'm aware, she's not even aware that the Lost Girls were nominated in 2008 for a TV Land Award, in the category Favorite Characters Who Went Missing.

So we were all very shocked and surprised when a couple of years ago, she started doing interviews talking about FOL, and even wishing Charlotte a happy 90th in a reunion recording. We were floored!

We hope Molly continues talking about her time on the show, and that we get more details. The bits we have from her are great, but they are a very small fraction of what we have from Felice and The Julies. That's because Julie Pie and Felice have done soooo many of the documentaries (Felice and Julie Pie were in Cast Confessions, Behind Closed Doors, Truth Behind the Sitcoms, the E! True Hollywood Story, and both the DVD interviews), and Julie Anne has done several as well (Behind Closed Doors, the Child Stars interview, and both of the DVD interviews).Molly needs to catch up! :lol:

I missed so many replies tonight getting buried among all the new posts! My apologies for missing some of them. It seems the board got swamped this evening! :eek:

On one hand, I think it's great she's FINALLY opening up about her time on FOL. On the other hand, my God why wait so long? Is it because the parts are drying up now being over a certain age and she needs the attention?

I don't know....personally if I was a huge fan of someone. Let's say Lisa Whelchel because I really like her.....and she spent the next 3 decades not saying anything about FOL and saying it was a bad overall experience, i'd be so turned off to her that by the time she did open up and change her views, I'd be like "sorry, too late now."

You Lost Girls fans are a very patient and forgiving people! :lol:




Yes and no. Sue Ann was in some ways the anti-Jo: kind, where Jo would be snide. Conservative when Jo would be liberal. But she definitely served as a foil for Blair, and their frenemy relationship was a major thread throughout Season One. We even get hints of this in later seasons, although we see that now Sue Ann is mostly hanging around Cindy (still her roommate and bestie) and Nancy.


Ok I understand now. When you referred to both Sue Ann & Jo as "spitfires" who clashed with Blair, I assumed you meant they were both the same type of character.

I'll be watching Sue Ann & Blair's interactions when I view season 1. And i'll see it all uncut and unedited too!! :clap:





I think you've answered your own question! :lol: I can't imagine in a house with five women living in it, that that secret would last very long!

And it definitely came spilling out of Tootie's mouth for sure! :lol:

Congratulations, CFR! Enjoy!

(I wrote some comments to you, above, which I don't think you saw. They're now back on a previous page).

Thanks! I'm so glad I finally went and got it!! :):wave:

The best thing about having the dvd's will be not having to be chained to the TV at 3pm which is my lunchtime and a bad time to have to sit down in front of the TV each day!

Now I can pop the dvd in much earlier and get on with my day afterwards. I really enjoy writing up my little reviews so as soon as the dvd's arrive, i'll start watching from whatever episode i'll be at on the Antenna TV.

And I also want to quickly rewatch Out of Peekskill and The Little Chill for the cut scenes.

I missed so many replies tonight getting buried among all the new posts! My apologies for missing some of them. It seems the board got swamped this evening! :eek:

No need to apologize, but I think both Lorimar and I wanted you to at least see our responses because for both of us, this episode is so, so special. I grew up wondering where the hell the Lost Girls went, like millions of other Americans, and so for me, this episode felt like closure. Like an acknowledgement to the fans. "Here's what happened. Now you know." And I know for some fans, it's not enough. But because lost characters almost NEVER returned to shows in the 1970s and 1980s, this feels very special, and demonstrates that FOL was ahead of its time, like something they would do in the 1990s or 2000s, when we would see characters like Lisa the Tool Time Girl or whoever return for an episode, acknowledging that these characters did exist, and viewers did care about them.


On one hand, I think it's great she's FINALLY opening up about her time on FOL. On the other hand, my God why wait so long? Is it because the parts are drying up now being over a certain age and she needs the attention?

Maybe she's gained some perspective, realized she missed out on some great reunions that she could have been part of, too. And I know the fans have asked her. The "Watch What Happens Live (https://www.bravotv.com/watch-what-happens-live-with-andy-cohen/season-12/episode-170/videos/molly-on-being-let-go-from)" segment only turned to FOL when a viewer called in and asked her "How pissed were you when you were fired from The Facts of Life?"


I don't know....personally if I was a huge fan of someone. Let's say Lisa Whelchel because I really like her.....and she spent the next 3 decades not saying anything about FOL and saying it was a bad overall experience, i'd be so turned off to her that by the time she did open up and change her views, I'd be like "sorry, too late now."

You Lost Girls fans are a very patient and forgiving people! :lol:

I think some of us just realize it was tough for her; she was the youngest girl who was "let go", and even Felice, who was four years older and thus has a more mature attitude, and who has done so many interviews in support of the show, says that "it felt like a rejection". But at least Felice got a major role in "Gossip" in Season 2. Molly never got that.


Ok I understand now. When you referred to both Sue Ann & Jo as "spitfires" who clashed with Blair, I assumed you meant they were both the same type of character.

Oh, no. Sue Ann was in some ways similar: she could be just as hot-headed as Jo, especially when pushed by Blair. But Sue Ann was from a rural area, while Jo was a street punk; Sue Ann befriended other students while Jo shunned most people; Sue Ann was more likely to plant flowers than drive over them on a motorcycle.


I'll be watching Sue Ann & Blair's interactions when I view season 1. And i'll see it all uncut and unedited too!! :clap:

That's so cool! Congrats! I know because of the lack of closed captions, the Daily Motion videos aren't a solution for you, so I'm very, VERY glad you could get the complete series at a reasonable price!


And it definitely came spilling out of Tootie's mouth for sure! :lol:

I definitely believe that! :lol:

Thanks! I'm so glad I finally went and got it!! :):wave:

The best thing about having the dvd's will be not having to be chained to the TV at 3pm which is my lunchtime and a bad time to have to sit down in front of the TV each day!

Now I can pop the dvd in much earlier and get on with my day afterwards. I really enjoy writing up my little reviews so as soon as the dvd's arrive, i'll start watching from whatever episode i'll be at on the Antenna TV.

And I also want to quickly rewatch Out of Peekskill and The Little Chill for the cut scenes.

We have enjoyed your reviews, and also the comments from other viewers, too. It's been great seeing that. So much fun, especially during a time when things are so dark and troubled in the rest of the world. This board has been a sanctuary for me, at least, and I think others, during a time when events of the world have been so, so hard. I'm thinking of all the viewers, but especially viewers like ITA, who lives in Italy, where there have been 27,000 deaths.

I had no idea you had to take your lunchtime at 3PM. Glad you'll be able to take your lunch at a reasonable time, now! :wave:

No need to apologize, but I think both Lorimar and I wanted you to at least see our responses because for both of us, this episode is so, so special. I grew up wondering where the hell the Lost Girls went, like millions of other Americans, and so for me, this episode felt like closure. Like an acknowledgement to the fans. "Here's what happened. Now you know." And I know for some fans, it's not enough. But because lost characters almost NEVER returned to shows in the 1970s and 1980s, this feels very special, and demonstrates that FOL was ahead of its time, like something they would do in the 1990s or 2000s, when we would see characters like Lisa the Tool Time Girl or whoever return for an episode, acknowledging that these characters did exist, and viewers did care about them.



Wonderfully put :clap:

Remember Cfr, Julie who plays Sue Ann is the one really kind to fans and still supported her cast after she let go.

I think that's a great way to put it, Lorimar. Sweet Julie Pie has held Facebook events, does interviews, and doesn't hesitate to say, "What time do you need me?" when asked to appear. I really appreciate that. It's not that I think Molly's attitude is "wrong", because it's not, but I so, soooo appreciate Julie's positivity.


I wouldn’t say Nat and Sue Ann were ever that close, didn’t Natalie even mock her in Running,

"even Sue Ann, in her days of glory..." Haha, yep!

and Sue Ann and the other lost girls were making fun of Nat in Sex Symbol too. Sue Ann was the book smart girl, but also easily pressured to do things to make her more popular.

Yeah, she was a little naive, in that way. Mr. Bradley could easily play on her insecurities. Tumpy, Gail, and Helen Hunt did the same thing in "Dope". And even Scott Dunbar/Blair, in "Dieting". I like this continuity between episodes.


She was pretty sensitive in s1, and tried to help Molly reunite her parents, and even advised against Blair searching for Natalie’s birth parents so quickly which Nat eventually agrees with.

Yeah, Sue Ann's morality really shone through in "Adoption". It wasn't yet time for Natalie to seek out her birth parents.


Anyway I think Sue Ann was ashamed she wasn’t further along in her career and it was nice to see Jo keep her secret and have a moment of bonding. Plus Blair always made fun of her and she prob wanted to prove to her that she could be a success.

Yeah, Blair was always on her case. How would it have looked to Blair, with her fancy law school credentials and huge trust fund, to see Sue Ann again, as just a gofer? As Sue Ann says in "Running": "She was taunting me!"


What show hasn’t had a hs reunion Ep where even main chars pretend to be better off than they are?

It even happens in the same episode: Beverly Ann tells the girls that at her high school reunion, everyone learned that Beverly Ann was a physicist! :lol:

It would have been interesting to see the rural vs. urban street clashes of Sue Ann and Jo.

Here is Mindy and Kim on Andy Cohen talking about George and Molly.
https://www.bravotv.com/watch-what-happens-live-with-andy-cohen/season-6/episode-90/videos/after-show-the-facts-of-george

A couple of comments.
1. The caller who said that Molly felt mistreated on the Facts of Life, I think the caller got confused with Molly saying she was bullied at her real world school, nothing said about her fictional school.

2. I think Mindy must have gone to the Warren Littlefield School of Mathematics. 8 girls in Season 1?

I didn't go for that either and it made Sue Ann even more of a loser (as Christopher calls her lol) than before. She even says "It doesn't matter" while looking at Jo....well if it doesn't matter then tell your friends the truth you lying bitch! Am I going to hate her in season 1 now? If she's like this I will! :lol:

I don't like how Sue Ann made Natalie feel. This episode showed Sue Ann's friendship with the girls isn't real. It's superficial because she cares more what people think of her than being honest with them. She knew her lies made Natalie feel worthless with the path she took and that's not how a true friend is. I don't think you're going to hate Sue Ann. Molly is the worst IMO. Sue Ann goes through many character changes from a dummy, to the smart one, to the fastest runner, and then back to losing self-esteem. Her character is a train wreck with writers not knowing what to do with her.


I just bought the COMPLETE SERIES!! :clap::dance::banana::gossip

I saw a listing on E Bay for just $46.85 with shipping in "Like New" condition and pictures. I contacted the seller asking if this was a pre owned set rather than bootleged and he confirmed it was bought at Best Buy and he sent me more pics of the discs and packaging. All looked great so I bit the bullet and bought it!! :eek:

The brand new set on Amazon is going for $79.99 and would be $85.00 after tax so this saves me almost $40 bucks!! I just pray it's pre owned from retail like he says and not a bootleg. I don't mind preowned as I get most of my dvd's used and they play great.

And as long as they all play I don't care if it's not brand new!! It should arrive by May 6th and i'm so excited for it to get here now!! present::mail:party:

:dance::cheers:party::jig: That's awesome cfr! I'm keeping my fingers crossed it's legit. I'm glad you'll no longer have to watch butchered copies of the show now. It's better uncut anyways :cool:

I just hope they all play ok!! And yeah, I want to see the extras and the movies too. Especially the Australia one because I don't remember anything about that one and don't want to see the butchered version on TV when it plays split into 4 episodes.

I like the Australia movie more than Paris. When I finally saw it uncut, I was shocked at how many crucial scenes were cut for commercials in syndication.

Hey, now you can say goodbye to the medicare commercials :lol:

I don't like how Sue Ann made Natalie feel. This episode showed Sue Ann's friendship with the girls isn't real. It's superficial because she cares more what people think of her than being honest with them. She knew her lies made Natalie feel worthless with the path she took and that's not how a true friend is. I don't think you're going to hate Sue Ann. Molly is the worst IMO. Sue Ann goes through many character changes from a dummy, to the smart one, to the fastest runner, and then back to losing self-esteem. Her character is a train wreck with writers not knowing what to do with her.




:dance::cheers:party::jig: That's awesome cfr! I'm keeping my fingers crossed it's legit. I'm glad you'll no longer have to watch butchered copies of the show now. It's better uncut anyways :cool:



I like the Australia movie more than Paris. When I finally saw it uncut, I was shocked at how many crucial scenes were cut for commercials in syndication.

Hey, now you can say goodbye to the medicare commercials :lol:

From what I have understood, the dvd box contains the unedited version of every episode, right? Years ago, I read that even on dvd some episodes are edited:confused:

Oh, no. Sue Ann was in some ways similar: she could be just as hot-headed as Jo, especially when pushed by Blair. But Sue Ann was from a rural area, while Jo was a street punk; Sue Ann befriended other students while Jo shunned most people; Sue Ann was more likely to plant flowers than drive over them on a motorcycle.

In the flashback scene they showed Jo with Sue Ann and I think it was Nancy too sitting at a table at Eastland cafeteria, so they did briefly interact with each other early on. I was under the impression Jo never knew any of them! Now i'm trying to remember how they got along back then. Did Sue Ann & Jo clash then?


That's so cool! Congrats! I know because of the lack of closed captions, the Daily Motion videos aren't a solution for you, so I'm very, VERY glad you could get the complete series at a reasonable price!

The seller was really nice because after I inquired he sent a picture of the season 1 disc that specifically showed that it was captioned with the CC logo right on the disc.
As mentioned before, I have the season 1 & 2 combo from Mill Creek, but only the season 2 disc is captioned and it pissed me off so bad how they would caption one season and not another. This complete series release is from Shout and all are CC! :clap:

I'm counting the days till it comes lol. :):wave:

In the flashback scene they showed Jo with Sue Ann and I think it was Nancy too sitting at a table at Eastland cafeteria, so they did briefly interact with each other early on. I was under the impression Jo never knew any of them! Now i'm trying to remember how they got along back then. Did Sue Ann & Jo clash then?




The seller was really nice because after I inquired he sent a picture of the season 1 disc that specifically showed that it was captioned with the CC logo right on the disc.
As mentioned before, I have the season 1 & 2 combo from Mill Creek, but only the season 2 disc is captioned and it pissed me off so bad how they would caption one season and not another. This complete series release is from Shout and all are CC! :clap:

I'm counting the days till it comes lol. :):wave:

The two Nancys interacted at times. All 7 girls helped stuff envelopes and lick stamps. Don't you think they would have gotten to know one another better then?

We have enjoyed your reviews, and also the comments from other viewers, too. It's been great seeing that. So much fun, especially during a time when things are so dark and troubled in the rest of the world. This board has been a sanctuary for me, at least, and I think others, during a time when events of the world have been so, so hard. I'm thinking of all the viewers, but especially viewers like ITA, who lives in Italy, where there have been 27,000 deaths.

I had no idea you had to take your lunchtime at 3PM. Glad you'll be able to take your lunch at a reasonable time, now! :wave:

Thanks so much! I enjoy doing it a lot. It's funny, I never set out to review every episode, it just evolved to where I looked forward to seeing each new episode and wanted to comment on them.

I think part of it is because of what's going on out there and revisiting FOL each day and commenting on the episodes has become a nice haven from all the craziness that takes my mind off it all..at least temporarily. :)

The only drawback was having it interfere with my lunchtime so having the dvd's will free my 3pm hour again and I can watch the shows any time I want now. :happyface

The two Nancys interacted at times. All 7 girls helped stuff envelopes and lick stamps. Don't you think they would have gotten to know one another better then?

That's what i'm now wondering. After Jo came on the scene, they all still shared the same classes for the next 3 years so it's not like the Lost Girls suddenly disappeared altogether. They just disappeared from the audiences view.

I guess we're just supposed to believe they stopped hanging out and personally interacting with the core four once they moved out of the dorm and over the cafeteria.

That's what i'm now wondering. After Jo came on the scene, they all still shared the same classes for the next 3 years so it's not like the Lost Girls suddenly disappeared altogether. They just disappeared from the audiences view.

I guess we're just supposed to believe they stopped hanging out and personally interacting with the core four once they moved out of the dorm and over the cafeteria.

Well, Molly exited the dump, but the other 3 stuck around for a while. Even for graduation.

It would have been interesting to see the rural vs. urban street clashes of Sue Ann and Jo.

Yeah, I would have liked to have seen that, too. I think that clash could have had a lot of possibilities. Instead, we only see Jo snap at Sue Ann once, in "Sex Symbol".

Here is Mindy and Kim on Andy Cohen talking about George and Molly.
https://www.bravotv.com/watch-what-happens-live-with-andy-cohen/season-6/episode-90/videos/after-show-the-facts-of-george

A couple of comments.
1. The caller who said that Molly felt mistreated on the Facts of Life, I think the caller got confused with Molly saying she was bullied at her real world school, nothing said about her fictional school.

2. I think Mindy must have gone to the Warren Littlefield School of Mathematics. 8 girls in Season 1?

:brent

Haha, that's hilarious, 80s Dude!

Yeah, I don't know why they do this so often. Mindy says "8 girls", Warren Littlefield says "10, 12 girls", or I've heard Lisa say both "20-minute sitcom" and "18-minute sitcom". Eventually, the facts are going to be completely switched around, and it's going to be "22 girls on a 7-minute sitcom." :lol:

I don't think Molly ever said she was mistreated, but she did say the second season was her worst job ever, as we know, so there is some element of truth to what the caller asked.

And here's the thing: Mindy says that Molly getting fired from FOL helped her career. But actually, getting cast in three hugely successful film roles is what helped Molly career. And that's not really the same thing.

Still, I do appreciate that Mindy tried to answer, because the Cast Purge wasn't her doing.

The two Nancys interacted at times. All 7 girls helped stuff envelopes and lick stamps. Don't you think they would have gotten to know one another better then?

I don't know. I can see how they didn't know each other well. I can imagine licking stamps and envelopes with classmates for a day, and still not know them very well.

The only times we see Jo in the same room with the Lost Girls are in "The New Girl 2", "Sex Symbol", "Pretty Babies", "Gossip", "Dear Me", "Front Page", "Green-Eyed Monster", and most of those times, there's little or even no interaction between Jo and any of the LGs. It seems realistic that Jo didn't know them very well. She certainly never shared a room or a dorm with any of them, the way Natalie, Blair, and Tootie did.

Now, Beverly Ann says "you didn't know them at all", and that's not true, but Beverly Ann doesn't know the situation.

In the flashback scene they showed Jo with Sue Ann and I think it was Nancy too sitting at a table at Eastland cafeteria, so they did briefly interact with each other early on. I was under the impression Jo never knew any of them! Now i'm trying to remember how they got along back then. Did Sue Ann & Jo clash then?

Just in "Sex Symbol", when Sue Ann, Nancy, and Cindy make mean comments about Natalie and Homerun Helen. Jo says, "Hey! Natalie is our friend!" Tootie defends her, too.

In "Gossip", Jo is so mad at Blair that she doesn't have time to be mad at the Lost Girls, when it was mostly Tootie's fault. But if Jo had discovered that Cindy and Sue Ann had promised not to blab, and then told the whole school that Mrs. Garrett was drunk on school property, she might have been angry with them, as well. That would have been a cool fight to see!

And then in "The Little Chill", we finally see Jo and Sue Ann clash, which is kinda nice, because that's believable.


The seller was really nice because after I inquired he sent a picture of the season 1 disc that specifically showed that it was captioned with the CC logo right on the disc.

That's great! I've noticed many eBay sellers will answer questions, and I've usually had good luck with them. But to take a picture is above and beyond, because now you can rest assured that the DVD has CC.


As mentioned before, I have the season 1 & 2 combo from Mill Creek, but only the season 2 disc is captioned and it pissed me off so bad how they would caption one season and not another.

Yeah, I have NO idea why any company would do that. It's weird.

Well, Molly exited the dump, but the other 3 stuck around for a while. Even for graduation.

And we have the "proof":
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

I don't know. I can see how they didn't know each other well. I can imagine licking stamps and envelopes with classmates for a day, and still not know them very well.

The only times we see Jo in the same room with the Lost Girls are in "The New Girl 2", "Sex Symbol", "Pretty Babies", "Gossip", "Dear Me", "Front Page", "Green-Eyed Monster", and most of those times, there's little or even no interaction between Jo and any of the LGs. It seems realistic that Jo didn't know them very well. She certainly never shared a room or a dorm with any of them, the way Natalie, Blair, and Tootie did.

Now, Beverly Ann says "you didn't know them at all", and that's not true, but Beverly Ann doesn't know the situation.

The writers (who were completely new and didn't do any previous season episodes) didn't know the situation either.

And we have the "proof":
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

I missed the Graduation episode when it aired. Jo is right next to Sue Ann, so she was hardly a stranger till all the way till they graduated which was 1983. So Jo basically went to school with them for 3 years.

All this time I had the impression that Jo NEVER interacted with those girls before. And now i'm learning that's actually far from the truth. :lol:

I like the Australia movie more than Paris. When I finally saw it uncut, I was shocked at how many crucial scenes were cut for commercials in syndication.

Hey, now you can say goodbye to the medicare commercials :lol:

Antenna TV will surely break it up into 4 heavily butchered episodes and i'll watch the whole thing in one sitting unedited! :)

And yes no more of those endless Medicare commercials. I swear you have time to take a shower during those commercial breaks!

When I start from the beginning, i'm wondering if it might make for better viewing if I watch the episodes in the production order rather than from air dates.

It would take making a list out first in that order to view then, and if it makes for a better experience I may take the time to do it. Do you think it's worth it to avoid any of the minor inconsistencies that you see from watching in air date order? Or just best to watch by air dates?

But there are no consequences. Natalie doesn't get pregnant, need an abortion, or contract a venereal disease from "doing it" outside the bounds of holy matrimony. Lisa in the SJR clip says that girls who make that choice face "destructive" consequences. In TLC, we see the results of pre-marital sex: Nancy is pregnant.

I explained how I'd forgotten there were mental consequences, where it wasn't just all rosy. :wave:

I missed the Graduation episode when it aired. Jo is right next to Sue Ann, so she was hardly a stranger till all the way till they graduated which was 1983. So Jo basically went to school with them for 3 years.

All this time I had the impression that Jo NEVER interacted with those girls before. And now i'm learning that's actually far from the truth. :lol:

Well, that's "proof", not proof. That's just my Photoshop at work. For whatever reason, the Lost Girls do not appear in the Graduation episodes, and instead the writers used three other girls, perhaps as substitutes. We've never learned why. The writers were pretty good at including the Lost Girls in classroom episodes in season 2 and the first half of season 3, but they do not appear at all in season 4, even in scenes where they should be there, such as their own graduations.

I always wanted Nancy and Sue Ann to attend their own graduations, so I 'shopped them in. (Cindy was a year or so younger, so I didn't 'shop her into the photo, though I like to imagine she was in the auditorium audience, cheering on Blair, Nancy, and her bestie, Sue Ann).

It's nice to see she finally let go of her animosity. I read she even made negative comments about her film "The Breakfast Club" years after the fact. It just seems she has this pattern of having a bitterness towards her own work and can't just be proud and grateful for the opportunities that she's had.

And you called me negative lol....Molly seems 10X worse!! :lol:

:lol:

Well, as far as her films, I think what you may be referring to is how when showing it to her daughter she saw things in that can be considered offensive/wrong by today's standards.

I explained how I'd forgotten there were mental consequences, where it wasn't just all rosy. :wave:

Oh, sure. But are doubts really consequences? And was that at all clear to Lisa? She'd originally been told they wanted Blair to lose her virginity. She declined to do that episode. Did she even see the script where Natalie lost her virginity?

I just bought the COMPLETE SERIES!! :clap::dance::banana::gossip

I saw a listing on E Bay for just $46.85 with shipping in "Like New" condition and pictures. I contacted the seller asking if this was a pre owned set rather than bootleged and he confirmed it was bought at Best Buy and he sent me more pics of the discs and packaging. All looked great so I bit the bullet and bought it!! :eek:

The brand new set on Amazon is going for $79.99 and would be $85.00 after tax so this saves me almost $40 bucks!! I just pray it's pre owned from retail like he says and not a bootleg. I don't mind preowned as I get most of my dvd's used and they play great.

And as long as they all play I don't care if it's not brand new!! It should arrive by May 6th and i'm so excited for it to get here now!! present::mail:party:



Oh my god cfr1970 i'm so glad you bought the FOL DVD set and for only £46.85 wow!

Now you'll really be able to see the 'real' BLAIR from season 1: she's a lot nicer and more fun than after the 'revamp' on season 2! (except for the first episode 'Rough housing' before MRS G has a word with her, but i'm not saying anymore... NO SPOILER! You're just going to have to pay attention to every detail lol!).
Anyway, SUE ANN does clash with BLAIR, (but not in the same way as JO) and they are definitely 'friendlier' toward each other (unlike season 2 + 3 JO).

But BLAIR is definitely the focus during the 'Lost girls era'!:wave::wave::wave:

So, once you start watching season 1, i want a full review like you are doing just now with season 7 + 8 hee hee!:)

I'M SO HAPPY FOR YOU (and a little bit envious too although i do have the pilot until season 6. I just need to get season 8)

party:party:party:

I had no idea you had to take your lunchtime at 3PM. Glad you'll be able to take your lunch at a reasonable time, now! :wave:

He still has to take lunch at 3, but he's glad he doesn't have the stress of "being chained to the TV" during lunch.

😕⛓⛓⛓📺

:lol:

Oh, sure. But are doubts really consequences?

To me it shows "You still better think about having sex! :nonono:" because you can't have it your first time and not have it affect you. You could head down a bad path and regret it.


And was that at all clear to Lisa? She'd originally been told they wanted Blair to lose her virginity. She declined to do that episode. Did she even see the script where Natalie lost her virginity?

Apparently if she heard the "v" word she locked herself inside at home! lol

To me it shows "You still better think about having sex! :nonono:" because you can't have it your first time and not have it affect you. You could head down a bad path and regret it.


Yeah, I totally see what you're saying. Time for you to hop back in that time machine and save "The First Time" by convincing Lisa! (If there's anyone who could do it, it would be you).


Apparently if she heard the "v" word she locked herself inside at home! lol

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

I don't think Molly ever said she was mistreated

Yeah, IIRC, when the caller says "mistreated", Kim and Mindy look defensive for the show, like, "Um, I don't know where you're getting your info, but she wasn't 'mistreated'".


And here's the thing: Mindy says that Molly getting fired from FOL helped her career. But actually, getting cast in three hugely successful film roles is what helped Molly career. And that's not really the same thing.

Yeah, her movies started coming a few years later, so that's funny/odd that so many people remember it as "Well, they cut Molly from the show, but that was the best thing for her career because she went into movies!"

Maybe it did help get her on the path, but FOL cutting her wasn't her savior.

But financially, apparently it sure was the best thing for her to get cut.

Yeah, I totally see what you're saying. Time for you to hop back in that time machine and save "The First Time" by convincing Lisa! (If there's anyone who could do it, it would be you).

Oh, I don't know about that; I think she was on entire sexual lockdown with any word having anything to do with---"it"! :lol:

And cfr, yes, congratulations on one of your best purchases ever!!! :woohoo:

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Yeah, IIRC, when the caller says "mistreated", Kim and Mindy look defensive for the show, like, "Um, I don't know where you're getting your info, but she wasn't 'mistreated'".


Yes. and I totally get why they would be a bit defensive about the show. They have good memories, and I wouldn't want it any other way. But Molly didn't like her demotion, and has said so, and Kim and Mindy were sort of caught, here, defending the show, because they had a good experience. "Mistreated" is like "abuse", and Molly wasn't abused, but the Cast Purge clearly wasn't good for a young girl's ego.


Yeah, her movies started coming a few years later, so that's funny/odd that so many people remember it as "Well, they cut Molly from the show, but that was the best thing for her career because she went into movies!"

Maybe it did help get her on the path, but FOL cutting her wasn't her savior.

But financially, apparently it sure was the best thing for her to get cut.

Well put.

Financially, both she and Pamela made out better than any of the Core Four, so it turned out to be a blessing in disguise, but it had to have been hard, even financially, to go from making what must have been $30,000 per episode (that's what the DS kids were making, per episode, I once read) to $30,000 per season, since Molly did only one episode. And sure, those are just estimates, and we don't have the real numbers, but still, that's a huge pay cut.

“The Ratings Game” or as I call it-- “Blair the Airheaded Ditz”


Boy they really dumbed down Blair for this one didn’t they? She was so ditzy here it was unbelievable, but played beautifully by Lisa so it wasn’t as annoying as it could’ve been. Still, she's POD Blair and in Bootsie overdrive here. :lol:

Tootie & Nat take the back burner since last episode they had the main story with Cinnamon so now it’s Jo & Blair’s turn to take the spotlight. I really liked this one a lot. But something left me confused.

This was 1986 and it seemed they already had some kind of computer connection or e mail type of thing going on? Blair mentions being able to contact her friends all over the world to share her ratings. So this must have been some kind of very early internet connection she's using?! What exactly was it they were using on that computer?! The earliest I remember having internet was 1992's Prodigy program which I loved and miss. I guess they had something similar 6 years earlier?! :confused:

Anyway, onto the story---

It’s Dr. Craig Wesley from Days of Our Lives who becomes smitten with Jo and she to him!! Ha! Yet another daytime actor passes through Peekskill before going onto the soaps. When he walked in the door I almost thought it was Christopher Reeve, but then I thought what the hell would he be doing on the Facts of Life lol. The resemblance between them is striking though, so for now on i'm calling him Superman. :)

Blair’s guy ratings were really funny and definitely a Blair type thing to do, and Jo switches the ratings on two guys to prove her system wrong at first, and then turning it personal by wanting Superman all for herself when she saw he was Blair’s 10. So she makes Superman a 2 and some college weatherman geek a 10 and Blair falls for it hook, line and sinker. :lol:

Except for rudely yanking a beer bottle out of a guy's hand when he walked into the party, I really liked Superman for Jo but I guess we never saw him again? It’s a shame because they seem like a good fit for each other. He even rides a motorcycle and is from the Bronx too! Why didn't they hook them up permanently?!

And OMG Jo lived just 3 blocks from me in the Bronx! When talking with Superman, they mention growing up on Pelham Ave. There is no Pelham Ave in the Bronx, but there is a Pelham Parkway and I lived just 3 blocks from it. So me and Jo were almost neighbors lol. (Yes, i’m well aware she’s a fictional character but it’s still fun nonetheless!!) :happyface

After the party the next day, Jo comes clean with Blair about switching the ratings because she felt so guilty. But Blair isn’t having ANY of it lol! She had a ball with her #2 who she thinks is now a #10 and thinks Jo is plotting to take her 10 away from her. LOL---OMG they made her SO ditzy here it’s both funny and sad at the same time, yet it works.

Jo of course stands there simply incredulous at Blair’s immense stupidity and decided to just leave it alone and continue dating her “2” because Blair just isn’t giving up her “10” no matter what and is so giddy that Jo wants her "10" lol! I was dying watching that scene! It’s really very funny if a little out of character for Blair. Even Beverly Ann can't believe what she's seeing! :eek:

So Jo got away with her little plan AND told the truth about it without any consequences. Talk about having your cake and eating it too. Jo is of course thrilled...and so is Blair in all her giddy ignorance LOL. It's a very lighthearted and fun episode! I’m just sad we don’t see Superman anymore. He should've stuck around. :(


“The Wedding Day”


If I had a dollar for every time a sitcom did the “marry an illegal to keep him in the country” plot, i’d be a rich man! It was now FOL’s turn to do it I guess and it’s not as cheesy as other sitcoms have done. It held my interest and did have a couple of LOL parts.

Again Jo takes the spotlight and main story just like last episode with Superman, who’s unfortunately long gone from Peekskill by now and probably saving Lois Lane somewhere.

She’s now hanging with Enrico who’s an illegal that wants to stay in the country. Jo is all set to marry him without even telling the core 3...but she says they’re too close to her to be objective and she was planning on doing this without ever telling them?! Wow. So she was just going to let them know after the fact?

There’s not really much here to talk about. I did make notice that both Cloris Leachman and Lisa Whelchel are left handed writers just like I am so I liked that. Whenever I notice another leftie I get happy because we're different lol.

Natalie has the funniest scene calling Jo from the shop to warn her about being stuck with Enrico for 2 years! Of course that changes everything and the plan gets dropped. Tootie has a Rose Nylund moment asking when Jo’s father is arriving for the wedding. It was dumb, but I still LOL’d at that. Oh Tootie! :loveya:

Beverly also has a LOL line earlier after Natalie points out to Jo “What’s a marriage without “etcetera”?” To which Beverly pipes up without missing a beat, “The story of my life”. Ha! I just love bitter Beverly! :heart:

George makes a small appearance with his new haircut and the Street Urchin is there to croak out a couple of lines before thankfully exiting quickly. Or maybe his scenes were cut for syndication lol.

It’s a filler episode if there ever was one. The ending was sweet and nice with Enrico leaving Jo a goodbye letter and we got a glimpse of what it looks like outside the front door with a little fence that frames both sides of the entrance to the house. Nice.

Blair was back to regular mode and hid POD BLAIR back down in the basement for this episode. I’m really liking her style this season. Both her hair and makeup look great and she’s looking so much better than she did in season 7.

It seems her hair stylist wasn’t fired after all, but just moved onto Mindy Cohn this season to work her freaky hair experiments on lol. That red hair just isn’t doing anything for her at all. I really don’t like it. puke::barf:

And why the hell is Tootie wearing a cowboy hat inside the house?! She looked ridiculous wearing it around the living room. I know it was an 80's fashion...but not inside! I guess she was having a bad hair day herself. :confused:

“The Ratings Game” or as I call it-- “Blair the Airheaded Ditz”


After the party the next day, Jo comes clean with Blair about switching the ratings because she felt so guilty. But Blair isn’t having ANY of it lol! She had a ball with her #2 who she thinks is now a #10 and thinks Jo is plotting to take her 10 away from her. LOL---OMG they made her SO ditzy here it’s both funny and sad at the same time, yet it works.

Jo of course stands there simply incredulous at Blair’s immense stupidity and decided to just leave it alone and continue dating her “2” because Blair just isn’t giving up her “10” no matter what and is so giddy that Jo wants her "10" lol! I was dying watching that scene! It’s really very funny if a little out of character for Blair. Even Beverly Ann can't believe what she's seeing! :eek:

It is really funny, and a surprise turn! :lol: I don't see Blair as "stupid" there though. She just thinks she's onto Jo but she's totally not, and refuses to consider the possibility. :lol:

It kind of reminds of when Blair took Mrs. Garrett's VW Bug on an errand and the girls told Mrs. G Blair was getting it painted, so when Blair told Mrs. Garrett it was stolen, Mrs. G laughed it off and didn't believe her. Then when everything came out later and Blair said "I told you the truth!" Mrs. Garrett said "How could I believe you? I believed them!" ("them" = Nat 'n Toot)


“The Wedding Day”



I did make notice that both Cloris Leachman and Lisa Whelchel are left handed writers just like I am so I liked that. Whenever I notice another leftie I get happy because we're different lol.

They are?? You are?? :eek:


Natalie has the funniest scene calling Jo from the shop to warn her about being stuck with Enrico for 2 years!

I do love that whole part of that scene, lol. But of course Mr. Bad Government Man was onto her right from the start---"Polly Polaroid"! :lol:


Tootie has a Rose Nylund moment asking when Jo’s father is arriving for the wedding. It was dumb, but I still LOL’d at that. Oh Tootie! :loveya:

Is that really fair though? :confused: I mean only Blair and Jo were in on it, not her. It was cute though, lol.


Beverly also has a LOL line earlier after Natalie points out to Jo “What’s a marriage without “etcetera”?” To which Beverly pipes up without missing a beat, “The story of my life”. Ha! I just love bitter Beverly! :heart:

For me, I think Natalie's question was "really, really funny", and Beverly Ann's bitter response was "really funny", lol.


and we got a glimpse of what it looks like outside the front door with a little fence that frames both sides of the entrance to the house. Nice.

This is what I've been meaning all those times when we talk about the two front doors and the garage! The house was brick, and then there was that white part of a building slap up beside leading "toward the driveway" with windows in it. So my theory is that that's the garage.

FOR NOW.

Until they uproot it and relocate in front of "Front Door Number 2". :lol: :crazy: :cuckoo

It is really funny, and a surprise turn! :lol: I don't see Blair as "stupid" there though. She just thinks she's onto Jo but she's totally not, and refuses to consider the possibility. :lol:

She was dumbed down becasue even after going out with that very obvious 2, she still thought he was the greatest thing just because the rating said so. Natalie, Tootie and Jo were all like "Is this dumbass for real?" when they met him, but they had Blair squealing with delight even after their date when he was so obviously a 2 and nowhere near a 10!
I think Blair would've seen it---but ditzy POD Blair was all smitten with him. And when Jo told the truth, that's when she should've put 2 & 2 together (ha--a pun!) and figured out what actually happened. It would've all made sense to her. But she was to much in Bootsie/Ditz mode to see it.

It kind of reminds of when Blair took Mrs. Garrett's VW Bug on an errand and the girls told Mrs. G Blair was getting it painted, so when Blair told Mrs. Garrett it was stolen, Mrs. G laughed it off and didn't believe her. Then when everything came out later and Blair said "I told you the truth!" Mrs. Garrett said "How could I believe you? I believed them!" ("them" = Nat 'n Toot)

Ha! Maybe that was POD Mrs. G. I remember that one, but there it made sense for her to believe Nat & Tootie and not Blair. With Jo, Blair should've been on to it.


They are?? You are?? :eek:

Cloris was writing something and Lisa answered the phone with the pen being held in her left hand, though I didn't actually see her writing as opposed to Cloris. I'll be watching now for any writing Lisa does from now on to confirm this. I love when I see other lefties! :bighug:




Is that really fair though? :confused: I mean only Blair and Jo were in on it, not her. It was cute though, lol.

I think it is because when they all went upstairs to talk about it, naturally Tootie would be all like "What's going on?" and Natalie would explain that she called on the phone to alert Jo about the 2 years.

It's pretty much confirmed because by the time Beverly enters the bedroom, Tootie is aware of the whole thing, so she had to have been informed of the phone call.







This is what I've been meaning all those times when we talk about the two front doors and the garage! The house was brick, and then there was that white part of a building slap up beside leading "toward the driveway" with windows in it. So my theory is that that's the garage.

So you're saying the garage was in BACK of the house towards the patio doors and then they moved it later to be on the other side of the fireplace? I think I saw that little window when Jo was outside after Enrico left. See? This is why I need the dvd's so I can pop it back in to verify!! Little things like this drive me insane!! :lol:

She was dumbed down becasue even after going out with that very obvious 2, she still thought he was the greatest thing just because the rating said so. Natalie, Tootie and Jo were all like "Is this dumbass for real?" when they met him, but they had Blair squealing with delight even after their date when he was so obviously a 2 and nowhere near a 10!
I think Blair would've seen it---but ditzy POD Blair was all smitten with him. And when Jo told the truth, that's when she should've put 2 & 2 together (ha--a pun!) and figured out what actually happened. It would've all made sense to her. But she was to much in Bootsie/Ditz mode to see it.

True, I forgot about the earlier moments like that. Okay! :lol:


Ha! Maybe that was POD Mrs. G. I remember that one, but there it made sense for her to believe Nat & Tootie and not Blair. With Jo, Blair should've been on to it.

No there was never a POD Mrs. G at Eastland, so that's always good. :) But because of what her girls did to her in that episode, it totally did make sense for her not to believe Blair (who, interestingly, wears a yellow blouse on that day after it was stated in just the very previous episode that she went through her entire wardrobe and threw out everything yellow because that "Chad" jerk thought a yellow blouse she had on would look better in blue---continuity mistake in wardrobe! ;)).



I think it is because when they all went upstairs to talk about it, naturally Tootie would be all like "What's going on?" and Natalie would explain that she called on the phone to alert Jo about the 2 years.

It's pretty much confirmed because by the time Beverly enters the bedroom, Tootie is aware of the whole thing, so she had to have been informed of the phone call.

Oh, okay. Yeah, if the girls all went upstairs and stuff, then yeah. :lol:


So you're saying the garage was in BACK of the house towards the patio doors and then they moved it later to be on the other side of the fireplace?

Yes! That's what I think, anyway.


See? This is why I need the dvd's so I can pop it back in to verify!! Little things like this drive me insane!! :lol:

Lol, as much as you're fascinated by architectural detail I'm surprised you didn't zoom in on that! :lol:

So you're saying the garage was in BACK of the house towards the patio doors and then they moved it later to be on the other side of the fireplace? I think I saw that little window when Jo was outside after Enrico left. See? This is why I need the dvd's so I can pop it back in to verify!! Little things like this drive me insane!! :lol:

Have no fear, a photo is here!

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See, to me, it looks like it "should" be the garage, although the window looks more like a house window and the siding like house siding. But there's a host on the wall like a garage and it goes slap up against the house like a garage. But that wall to the right bordering the driveway is weird.

This whole estate is in the Twilight Zone! :lol: :crazy:

See, to me, it looks like it "should" be the garage, although the window looks more like a house window and the siding like house siding. But there's a host on the wall like a garage and it goes slap up against the house like a garage. But that wall to the right bordering the driveway is weird.

This whole estate is in the Twilight Zone! :lol: :crazy:

It's weird because that's where the street should be as we know the house ends where the patio doors are and from the shop. Looking at the pic, it does look like a room but it's physically impossible for there to be one anywhere there as we see no doorway leading to it from inside that house.

It's like entering a whole other dimension inside that house! Definitely the Twilight Zone. They should've just had trees or bushes shown where that black hole room is! :lol:

I don't like how Sue Ann made Natalie feel. This episode showed Sue Ann's friendship with the girls isn't real. It's superficial because she cares more what people think of her than being honest with them. She knew her lies made Natalie feel worthless with the path she took and that's not how a true friend is. I don't think you're going to hate Sue Ann. Molly is the worst IMO. Sue Ann goes through many character changes from a dummy, to the smart one, to the fastest runner, and then back to losing self-esteem. Her character is a train wreck with writers not knowing what to do with her.


Well I can respect your opinion, but other than going from dumb on DS to smart, her char has the same traits throughout as I've said. Easily peer pressured, desire to be the best, a common thread in all s1 eps and again in the reunion. Just because she has a silly moment in LMLD doesn't mean they went back to her naive self. DS Sue Ann wouldn't have scolded Tootie and Nat for evesdropping, she prob would've made some airheaded comment.

In the flashback scene they showed Jo with Sue Ann and I think it was Nancy too sitting at a table at Eastland cafeteria, so they did briefly interact with each other early on. I was under the impression Jo never knew any of them! Now i'm trying to remember how they got along back then. Did Sue Ann & Jo clash then?




Yes, Sue Ann appeared with Jo atleast twice, at the end of Gossip and talked to her in Front Page about her story busting the teacher at a cocaine party.

It's weird because that's where the street should be as we know the house ends where the patio doors are and from the shop. Looking at the pic, it does look like a room but it's physically impossible for there to be one anywhere there as we see no doorway leading to it from inside that house.

No no no, lemme see if I can explain how I see it, lol...see, to me, there's no street back "beyond" the patio doors. I've always thought that's yard area or another house back there. So since the garage here "sticks out" (IF it is the garage), the garage wall where you pull your car up to inside stops flush with the house's front wall.

Maybe if it's not a garage it could be a shed-type of add-on building?


It's like entering a whole other dimension inside that house! Definitely the Twilight Zone. They should've just had trees or bushes shown where that black hole room is! :lol:

Yes! If only they had done that, there would be no need for a speculative conversation! :lol: :lol: :cuckoo:

Yes, Sue Ann appeared with Jo atleast twice, at the end of Gossip and talked to her in Front Page about her story busting the teacher at a cocaine party.

And there's "Sex Symbol", and don't forget how Jo GLARES at Sue Ann in a kind of nasty way at the very beginning of that one! :eek: :lol:

Maybe if it's not a garage it could be a shed-type of add-on building?

It's where they hold the POD characters when they're not needed. :lol::lol:

It's where they hold the POD characters when they're not needed. :lol::lol:

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POD STORAGE!!

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By the way cfr, somewhere you said you wanted to see that Nancy the giraffe picture (I don't know where that post of yours is because this board is so dang busy, lol), so here it is on page 3, post 38 of this other thread (https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=373927&highlight=giraffe&page=3).

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POD STORAGE!!

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By the way cfr, somewhere you said you wanted to see that Nancy the giraffe picture (I don't know where that post of yours is because this board is so dang busy, lol), so here it is on page 3, post 38 of this other thread (https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=373927&highlight=giraffe&page=3).

:brent That's hysterical!! I thought I would possibly offend hardcore Lost Girl fans by commenting on how tall she was compared to the others. I'm glad you did before me...and to such an extreme!! :lol::lol:

Her tallness showed a lot in the Little Chill so I guess she was still a giraffe way back in season 1. :lol::wave:

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The whole floor plan of this place is enough to make your head explode :sarah:

I think that other building with the window may be the garage, which we see in Tootie Drives. I don’t think they have one continuous shot of them going from the inside to the garage before season 9, do they? So it’s hard to tell. It looks way too narrow to be a garage though.

Then they must’ve built another garage or a bigger garage in season 9 because we see it being used in A Rose By Any Other Age and the front entry door which we first see in The Chain Letter now leads to it rather than a driveway that we see in this scene from Wedding Day.

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cfr!

Haha, and the part that truly made me "LOL!" ------ "I'M THE REAL MRS. G DAMMIT!"

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:brent That's hysterical!! I thought I would possibly offend hardcore Lost Girl fans by commenting on how tall she was compared to the others. I'm glad you did before me...and to such an extreme!! :lol::lol:

:lol: Well, her tallness had just been referenced by one or two of us somewhere in another thread, says my post, so yeah, I was just having some exaggerated fun. :)


Her tallness showed a lot in the Little Chill so I guess she was still a giraffe way back in season 1. :lol::wave:

Yup, you'll notice! She never has to look up at Mrs. Garrett or any of the other girls!

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The whole floor plan of this place is enough to make your head explode :sarah:

I think that other building with the window may be the garage, which we see in Tootie Drives. I don’t think they have one continuous shot of them going from the inside to the garage before season 9, do they? So it’s hard to tell. It looks way too narrow to be a garage though.

Then they must’ve built another garage or a bigger garage in season 9 because we see it being used in A Rose By Any Other Age and the front entry door which we first see in The Chain Letter now leads to it rather than a driveway that we see in this scene from Wedding Day.

Exactly...commence head explosions! :lol:

:brent That's hysterical!! I thought I would possibly offend hardcore Lost Girl fans by commenting on how tall she was compared to the others. I'm glad you did before me...and to such an extreme!! :lol::lol:

Her tallness showed a lot in the Little Chill so I guess she was still a giraffe way back in season 1. :lol::wave:

Hahaha when we say lost girl fans we mostly mean Sue Ann or Cindy ;)

Yup, you'll notice! She never has to look up at Mrs. Garrett or any of the other girls!

Someone here mentioned how she really towers over Tootie with a globe. I wanna keep my eye out for that scene! Do you know which episode that is?

Hahaha when we say lost girl fans we mostly mean Sue Ann or Cindy ;)

This is great to know because so far, I do like Sue Ann & Cindy so my wrath will be aimed more towards Molly & Nancy without having to worry too much about offending anyone. Though from what i've seen so far, Nancy doesn't really bug me so it may just be Molly being my punching bag. :lol::wave:

And after seeing that picture of her biting into a donut it seems others like to give her a couple of swings too. :schmack:

This is great to know because so far, I do like Sue Ann & Cindy so my wrath will be aimed more towards Molly & Nancy without having to worry too much about offending anyone. Though from what i've seen so far, Nancy doesn't really bug me so it may just be Molly being my punching bag. :lol::wave:

And after seeing that picture of her biting into a donut it seems others like to give her a couple of swings too. :schmack:

It’s a cinnamon bun actually :lol:

This is great to know because so far, I do like Sue Ann & Cindy so my wrath will be aimed more towards Molly & Nancy without having to worry too much about offending anyone. Though from what i've seen so far, Nancy doesn't really bug me so it may just be Molly being my punching bag. :lol::wave:

And after seeing that picture of her biting into a donut it seems others like to give her a couple of swings too. :schmack:
Ahem. It's not a donut. It's a cinnamon bun. The cook just baked them! :lol:

It’s a cinnamon bun actually :lol:

Jinx! :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Ahem. It's not a donut. It's a cinnamon bun. The cook just baked them! :lol:

She looks like she's had a few too many...and I don't mean cinnamon buns. :lol:

Why does she look like that?! Is that a still from a scene or she's actually posing for the camera like she's hungover?

Or am I really naive and that's a photo shopped picture to make her look that way? It's really not a flattering pic of her. :lol:

She looks like she's had a few too many...and I don't mean cinnamon buns. :lol:

Why does she look like that?! Is that a still from a scene or she's actually posing for the camera like she's hungover?

Or am I really naive and that's a photo shopped picture to make her look that way? It's really not a flattering pic of her. :lol:

This one actually isn't photoshopped. It's an actual publicity still from "Dieting". I forget if either Lorimar or '80sSitcoms found it on the Getty Images site, and we've been having fun with it ever since. (It's all in good fun because we love Molly.)

We don't know why they took the photo like that. She does look hung over, and somehow stiff at the same time. And why is she holding the basket of cinnamon buns out like that? It makes no sense! :lol:

Someone here mentioned how she really towers over Tootie with a globe. I wanna keep my eye out for that scene! Do you know which episode that is?

Do I know which episode that is??

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Season 2, "Gossip"! :D

(I don't mean to sound egotistical with the first part of my response, it's just that I grew up with this show embedded in my DNA, as have several other fans here too who would know at the drop of a hat which one that was! :wave:)

This is great to know because so far, I do like Sue Ann & Cindy so my wrath will be aimed more towards Molly & Nancy without having to worry too much about offending anyone. Though from what i've seen so far, Nancy doesn't really bug me so it may just be Molly being my punching bag. :lol::wave:

Well, just remember, you're going in with a clean slate, so just stay open-minded about everyone---including Mr. Bradley and Miss Mahoney!---and see what opinions you form in your cozy corner of the dorm! :wave: ;)

By the way, what's this "liking Sue Ann" stuff? You just called her a lying bitch not 12 hours ago! :rofl:


And after seeing that picture of her biting into a donut it seems others like to give her a couple of swings too. :schmack:

I forget if either Lorimar or '80sSitcoms found it on the Getty Images site

Lorimar? Lorimar?? (no offense Lorimar! :lol:) I was the one who stumbled upon that photo by pure accident in 2018 or '19 (though Retro has credited me for it in the past, lol), and HAD to share it here. Not as a "swing" at Molly, but at what a hilariously ludicrous photo that is!! :brent

I've never been to Getty Images though. I was searching on Google in the "Images" section for something completely un-Molly I was looking for for a different "Facts" pic to doctor, when I saw that while scrolling down. I couldn't believe it. I was :eek: and :rofl: and ran right over here!!

We wonder if Molly was aware of the camera or ever knew that photo existed. I'm afraid if we showed it to her, she'd sue Getty and make them erase it from the Internet! lol