Since Eights and I are in different viewing binges I thought I'd start a thread where I can place a few thoughts of my own.

I finally saw the season 5 finale flashback episode where the lost girls can be seen! I believe Blair saying Sue Ann in a flashback is the first time we hear her name said by anyone since season 1! Also Tootie says her first "Theres gonna be trooooooubllllllllle" since season 2! Mr Bradley was the only season 1 cast member to speak in any flashback.

Since Eights and I are in different viewing binges I thought I'd start a thread where I can place a few thoughts of my own.

Nice!


I finally saw the season 5 finale flashback episode where the lost girls can be seen!

Yep! :eek: :cheer::read::king:


I believe Blair saying Sue Ann in a flashback is the first time we hear her name said by anyone since season 1!

I believe you are correct.

Poor Cindy doesn't get her name mentioned at all between Dope and TLC. Nancy and Molly both got mentioned by name in their returns.

Poor Cindy doesn't get her name mentioned at all between Dope and TLC. Nancy and Molly both got mentioned by name in their returns.
And when she comes back, she has a different last name. Much like Geri, actually.

And when she comes back, she has a different last name. Much like Geri, actually.

Geri had a different last name?

And when she comes back, she has a different last name. Much like Geri, actually.


Good catch. She was Geri Warner in season 2 and then Geri Tyler in her last episode in season 5. I have digital copies of every episode on my computer so it's easy and quick for me to discover these things when mentioned :lol:

Makes sense since Geri's mother and Blair's mother were sisters. They wouldn't have the same last name.

Good catch. She was Geri Warner in season 2 and then Geri Tyler in her last episode in season 5. I have digital copies of every episode on my computer so it's easy and quick for me to discover these things when mentioned :lol:

Nice!

Yeah, I don't deserve actual credit for noticing. Geri mentions it in her book, as one of the things that bothered her about being on FOL: originally, she was Geri Warner, cousin to Blair on Blair's father's side. Then in the last episode she's in, she was suddenly Geri Tyler, Blair's cousin on her mother's side. She talked with the producers about it before the episode taped, but made no headway.

Because the producers were offering her fewer and fewer episodes per season, the name change fed into her overall feelings about the show, as they naturally would when you feel like you know your character better than the producers, who don't bother to even give your character a consistent last name.

Ultimately, Geri turned down the last episode they gave her, and I can understand why.

Makes sense since Geri's mother and Blair's mother were sisters. They wouldn't have the same last name.


They had the same last name in season 2, which is weird since you mentioned they're related by their mothers. Warner is Blair's dads last name. Geri has no Warner blood in her so how did she get the last name Warner in season 2? Did Geri's mom marry one of David's relatives? That's odd to me now that it's been mentioned.

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Yeah, I don't deserve actual credit for noticing. Geri mentions it in her book, as one of the things that bothered her about being on FOL: originally, she was Geri Warner, cousin to Blair on Blair's father's side. Then in the last episode she's in, she was suddenly Geri Tyler, Blair's cousin on her mother's side. She talked with the producers about it before the episode taped, but made no headway.

Because the producers were offering her fewer and fewer episodes per season, the name change fed into her overall feelings about the show, as they naturally would when you feel like you know your character better than the producers, who don't bother to even give your character a consistent last name.

Ultimately, Geri turned down the last episode they gave her, and I can understand why.

So they wanted her on after the episode where she organized the charity dinner?

Well Monica mentions Geri’s mom being her sister in season 3

So they wanted her on after the episode where she organized the charity dinner?

Yeah, in season five, Geri did three episodes: "What Price Glory", "Star at Langley", and "All By Herself". She's mentioned in several interviews that the producers offered her only one episode the following season, so she turned them down. It felt insulting to her because the producers had been calling her a "cast member" ; in seasons 3 and 4, she had done four episodes per season. But there's no way anyone would consider her a cast member with one episode per season.

Geri didn't understand that actors on this show could be (and were) dropped at a moment's notice, and that the show which had broken new ground in its early years would later avoid taking risks for fear of tackling real issues in the later seasons. Actors getting dropped happened again and again on FOL.

Well Monica mentions Geri’s mom being her sister in season 3
Yep, but in season two, she was Geri Warner.

Geri didn't understand that actors on this show could be (and were) dropped at a moment's notice. It happened again and again on FOL.

She shoulda talked to Jenny, John, Felice, Molly and the Julies!

She shoulda talked to Jenny, John, Felice, Molly and the Julies!

:lol:

Yeah, and Pamela Adlon, George Clooney, Hugh Gillin, Jami Gertz, Heather McAdam, Cheryl Epps, the guy that played Kevin...

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Yeah, and Pamela Adlon, George Clooney, Hugh Gillin, Jami Gertz, Heather McAdam, Cheryl Epps, the guy that played Kevin...

Haha poor Kelly, she really only had 1 ep with a storyline. Idk why they made her a regular.

Haha poor Kelly, she really only had 1 ep with a storyline. Idk why they made her a regular.

I'm sure the producers thought adding a new, younger Jo-like character would be a good idea, since it worked before. :lol:

I'm sure the producers thought adding a new, younger Jo-like character would be a good idea, since it worked before. :lol:

LOL but she was replacing 5 other characters :lol:

LOL but she was replacing 5 other characters :lol:
:lol: Hey, I'm not defending it, I just believe that that was their thinking!

:lol: Hey, I'm not defending it, I just believe that that was their thinking!

Haha I know ;)

Yep, but in season two, she was Geri Warner.

But maybe she was Geri warner, daughter of Monica's sister? After all, Monica's sister could also have married a Warner, related or not! :)

:lol: Hey, I'm not defending it, I just believe that that was their thinking!

Haha, right??

Poor Cindy doesn't get her name mentioned at all between Dope and TLC. Nancy and Molly both got mentioned by name in their returns.

Well, only Molly had "a return". Nancy was recurring for the next couple of seasons.

But yeah, with Sue Ann and Cindy's lack of name use, it flummoxed me ever since I was a little boy that these other girls who were "friends of mine" from season 1 were appearing on the show, and credited as their characters in the closing credits, but their names were never mentioned! That's just not right.

Well, only Molly had "a return". Nancy was recurring for the next couple of seasons.

But yeah, with Sue Ann and Cindy's lack of name use, it flummoxed me ever since I was a little boy that these other girls who were "friends of mine" from season 1 were appearing on the show, and credited as their characters in the closing credits, but their names were never mentioned! That's just not right.

Right? Why couldn’t Nat have said, “Hey Sue Ann, Cindy....” instead of “hey you guys...”. Where’s Molly when you need her? “They’re not guys they’re WOMEN!”

But maybe she was Geri warner, daughter of Monica's sister? After all, Monica's sister could also have married a Warner, related or not! :)
That's possible. The implication, though, was that Geri was related to Blair on her father's side, due to her last name being Warner. At least, Geri Jewell thought so, and was sad when the producers changed her last name without explanation. I can see why.

Right? Why couldn’t Nat have said, “Hey Sue Ann, Cindy....” instead of “hey you guys...”. Where’s Molly when you need her? “They’re not guys they’re WOMEN!”

I would trade in the Julies being named in-episode in exchange for a few more lines in each episode, and a guest appearance in Season Four so they could properly graduate.

I would trade in the Julies being named in-episode in exchange for a few more lines in each episode, and a guest appearance in Season Four so they could properly graduate.

Same, but we got NOTHING! :mad:

Episode 9 Dear Apple. I remember bits and pieces as a kid. The talking computer weirded me out since i never saw one and wondered what happened to them. :lol:

I think this episode could’ve unfolded in real time with the prank war between Blair and Jo. Instead they have Jo chatting with a talking computer? Where was this college? EPCOT Center?

The talking computer weirded me out since i never saw one and wondered what happened to them. :lol:

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I think this episode could’ve unfolded in real time with the prank war between Blair and Jo. Instead they have Jo chatting with a talking computer? Where was this college? EPCOT Center?

:lol:

Peekskill sure wasn't no Disney World! ;)

(yes I know that's grammatically incorrect, I'm just going for humor, haha)

:lol:




:lol:

Peekskill sure wasn't no Disney World! ;)

(yes I know that's grammatically incorrect, I'm just going for humor, haha)

Haha nope! Nothing is

I'm watching a rerun of "Amen", and the choirmaster just said, "A little gossip never hurt anybody!"

Obviously he's never seen the season 2 episode of "Facts of Life" called---well---"Gossip"! :gossip :lol:

I'm watching a rerun of "Amen", and the choirmaster just said, "A little gossip never hurt anybody!"

Obviously he's never seen the season 2 episode of "Facts of Life" called---well---"Gossip"! :gossip :lol:

Amen! :lol:

I'm watching a rerun of "Amen", and the choirmaster just said, "A little gossip never hurt anybody!"

Obviously he's never seen the season 2 episode of "Facts of Life" called---well---"Gossip"! :gossip :lol:

Haha yep! Almost murdered Tootie AND Blair!

Speaking of Amen, did you know Judy Winslow from Family Matters was in a Christmas episode as a choir singer?

Speaking of Amen, did you know Judy Winslow from Family Matters was in a Christmas episode as a choir singer?

I did not know that. I'll try to check it out sometime. Judy is a favorite of mine, much like Chuck Cunningham and four certain girls from a show whose name I can't quite recall...

I did not know that. I'll try to check it out sometime. Judy is a favorite of mine, much like Chuck Cunningham and four certain girls from a show whose name I can't quite recall...

I didn’t know you were such a Judy fan! Another way we’re similar! Yeah I’m always fascinated by chars that were underdeveloped and eliminated for some reason. Though in Sue Ann’s case it’s not underdevelopment at all.

I didn’t know you were such a Judy fan! Another way we’re similar! Yeah I’m always fascinated by chars that were underdeveloped and eliminated for some reason. Though in Sue Ann’s case it’s not underdevelopment at all.
No, Sue Ann definitely isn't underdeveloped... :grineyes:

Hey hey hey Mister! I thought this was a family board?? ;) :lol: :p

So I'm watching season 2 now, and it's so refreshing! This is what I feel is "classic 'Facts' ". It's the era that was the largest presence in my early formative years. The show is retooled, and it's so reinvigorating! I love it. I heartily welcome it with open arms: :bighug: I feel so "on board" with Garrett and her girls and eager to watch their adventures unfold! :grouphug:

Now don't get me wrong, of course I love season 1, and I absolutely love my Cindy, and Molly, and I respect Sue Ann and Nancy as Lost Girls. And I do wish their characters could have stayed around, but, since they didn't, I enjoy the show for what it became. Since there were "10, 12 girls" all jumbled around that first season, it's SO nice to have a smaller cast with focused scripts and balanced characters. I think the first season could have been greatly improved had they worked with the writers to develop balanced scripts between all the characters, but since that didn't happen, diving into season 2 is so refreshing, and relaxing (I love the cozy mood of intimate scenes in the cafeteria building).

Jo: "I guess when ya come from the wrong side of the tracks, guys think you're easy."

Blair: "Listen, guys think that when you come from the right side of the tracks. Heck, I own the tracks and some think it about me!"

:rofl:

I LOVE that line! And I love that it gets a big laugh and applause from the studio audience!

Hey hey hey Mister! I thought this was a family board?? ;) :lol: :p

What?! Sue Ann had more lines than almost any other character! :lol:;)

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So I'm watching season 2 now, and it's so refreshing! This is what I feel is "classic 'Facts' ". It's the era that was the largest presence in my early formative years. The show is retooled, and it's so reinvigorating! I love it. I heartily welcome it with open arms: :bighug: I feel so "on board" with Garrett and her girls and eager to watch their adventures unfold! :grouphug:

Now don't get me wrong, of course I love season 1, and I absolutely love my Cindy, and Molly, and I respect Sue Ann and Nancy as Lost Girls. And I do wish their characters could have stayed around, but, since they didn't, I enjoy the show for what it became. Since there were "10, 12 girls" all jumbled around that first season, it's SO nice to have a smaller cast with focused scripts and balanced characters. I think the first season could have been greatly improved had they worked with the writers to develop balanced scripts between all the characters, but since that didn't happen, diving into season 2 is so refreshing, and relaxing (I love the cozy mood of intimate scenes in the cafeteria building).

For me, "classic Facts" is the first four seasons. And while I appreciate the better writing of Season Two, I will always miss the Lost Girls in the later episodes. Even the cameos were better than the Season Four nonsense, with no Lost Girls in that season at all.

Jo brought an important element to the show that gave Blair an excellent foil. But I also miss the conservative voice of reason that Sue Ann had: had she been around when the girls were daring each other to go to the Chug A Lug Bar, they might all have avoided being goaded by Jo into breaking curfew and stealing a van.

Season Two had more balanced writing, true. But we didn't see them in the classroom anymore, and we see actual teachers a whole lot less. These aspects were less realistic in a show supposedly set at a girls' school. And the loss of the bigger cast meant that Eastland would often feel as though it was only populated by five people, particularly in episodes where there was no guest cast (which was frequent).

For me, "classic Facts" is the first four seasons. And while I appreciate the better writing of Season Two, I will always miss the Lost Girls in the later episodes. Even the cameos were better than the Season Four nonsense, with no Lost Girls in that season at all.

Yes, I love the continuity of getting to see the Lost Girls in the cafeteria years. Season 1 is kind of like an "anomaly" since it's so short, but I do love it for what it is (I honestly can't remember which I saw first, the cafeteria years or season 1; I was so young! :baby: ).


Season Two had more balanced writing, true. But we didn't see them in the classroom anymore, and we see actual teachers a whole lot less. These aspects were less realistic in a show supposedly set at a girls' school. And the loss of the bigger cast meant that Eastland would often feel as though it was only populated by five people, particularly in episodes where there was no guest cast (which was frequent).

I love these elements, though. If I want to see a school sitcoms et in classrooms, I can watch "Head of the Class". I actually prefer this non-traditional approach, being in the cafeteria and a "fly on the wall" for the interconnected lives of these girls and their guardian. Now of course I'm biased because I got to know these girls as my sisters in my formative years, in these cafeteria adventures (in 64 episodes, versus only the pitiful 13 of season 1). This era takes me so strongly back to my childhood, and I love it. :)

I never felt that Eastland was only populated with 5 people though, because we're sequestered along with the girls on their probation.

And Lorsie, you really shouldn't be surprised there were "only" 64 episodes in the cafeteria years. True season 2 was 16 episodes*, but even if you averaged, say, 22 episodes in those 3 seasons, that would be 66 right there.

*(and while season 2 is 16 episodes, 2 of those are continued stories. So really, season 2 has just 14 stories, only 1 more than season 1!)

I never felt that Eastland was only populated with 5 people though, because we're sequestered along with the girls on their probation.

That might have cut it during their probationary period, but it doesn't work after they're off probation, free to interact with other students again, and no longer required to serve in the cafeteria. At that point, we should have seen them having free time once more, and presumably interacting with other students. Instead, they remain cloistered in the cafeteria for another 1.5 years, so wrapped up in their own dramas that they fail to notice that two of their previous friends haven't shown up to their own graduation.

That might have cut it during their probationary period, but it doesn't work after they're off probation, free to interact with other students again, and no longer required to serve in the cafeteria. At that point, we should have seen them having free time once more, and presumably interacting with other students. Instead, they remain cloistered in the cafeteria for another 1.5 years, so wrapped up in their own dramas that they fail to notice that two of their previous friends haven't shown up to their own graduation.

That would have changed the show though, and I don't want it changed during the cafeteria years. It's a wonderful era that is such "comfort viewing": cafeteria, lounge, kitchen, and upstairs galore. I'm very pleased that the formula remains the same until the next major series overhaul (season 5). I do wish though the Lost Girls had remained more constant, appearing some in season 4, of course with Nancy and Sue Ann graduating (the writers went to the trouble to include them with guest appearances, so it still mystifies me that Nancy and Sue Ann get NO mention in "Graduation" :confused: ).

I do wish though the Lost Girls had remained more constant, appearing some in season 4, of course with Nancy and Sue Ann graduating (the writers went to the trouble to include them with guest appearances, so it still mystifies me that Nancy and Sue Ann get NO mention in "Graduation" :confused: ).

Indeed. All I'm asking for is one brief mention.

...Well, actually, a brief mention and a cameo appearance at their graduation.

...Well, actually, a brief mention and a few cameo appearances in Season Four, for the sake of continuity, including Cindy and Molly, of course.

...Well, actually, a few brief mentions, a few cameo appearances, and one good in-depth episode for each of the girls, including a scene that showcases each girl's musical, ballet, and/or gymnastic talents.

...Well, actually, opening credit billing, plus a 20-episode guarantee for each of them, a decent-sized dressing room stocked with Evian water, 10% of the back end, back pay for lost wages, a letter of apology from Warren Littlefield, and a bowl of M&Ms with no green ones.

:lol:

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Whoa, I just watched "Cousin Geri", and I am 99% sure that Howard's scene was entirely cut from syndication! That's one thing I love about watching a beloved show of yours on DVD that you were so "used to" seeing in syndication---when this "cut" material suddenly shows up, it changes the feel entirely and is like an instant "bonus feature"! lol

Whoa, I just watched "Cousin Geri", and I am 99% sure that Howard's scene was entirely cut from syndication! That's one thing I love about watching a beloved show of yours on DVD that you were so "used to" seeing in syndication---when this "cut" material suddenly shows up, it changes the feel entirely and is like an instant "bonus feature"! lol

I felt the same way when I watched "The New Girl, part 2", and saw a couple of additional lines when Molly and Margo get their food in the cafeteria. The version I was used to, in syndication, was missing Tootie's "string beans" line and part of Molly's follow-up: "I guess". Same with Nancy's scene in "Overachieving".

Really?? Wow---all of that was intact in the syndicated TNGP2 I ever saw! Total Molly inclusion, lol.

BUT:

They did cut Tootie's stinger at the police station when Mrs. Garrett leads them down the hall out of the holding cell. When Tootie asks the warden if the door is locked, locked real good, and she fiendishly taunts that big mean girl through the wire mesh door, "See ya, turkey!!" LOL!!

When I first saw that on DVD, this was me! ---> :rofl:

And that moment is at the beginning of the end credits of TNGP2, and I always wondered what that was, what was cut out?? So it turns out it wasn't cut from the episode, but from the syndication (or a syndicated) version.

:turkey:

One of Tootie's most hilarious moments ever!! :rofl:

Okay Retro, I've got work in the mornin'. Time for me to trot up those back stairs to the little room I share with you and Lorsie and whoever else over the kitchen and get in my bed by the window. :lol:

:sleep:

And I love how Big Mean Girl ("Cheryl Thug"? lol) immediately claws for Tootie but ol' Toot ZIPS outta there in a flash! :rofl:

And hey, there's a Cindy connection in "Double Standard"! Okay, not really, but Blair does say at one point, "Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go down to the kitchen and Julie Anne something."

Haha ;)

:p

Indeed. All I'm asking for is one brief mention.

...Well, actually, a brief mention and a cameo appearance at their graduation.

...Well, actually, a brief mention and a few cameo appearances in Season Four, for the sake of continuity, including Cindy and Molly, of course.

...Well, actually, a few brief mentions, a few cameo appearances, and one good in-depth episode for each of the girls, including a scene that showcases each girl's musical, ballet, and/or gymnastic talents.

...Well, actually, opening credit billing, plus a 20-episode guarantee for each of them, a decent-sized dressing room stocked with Evian water, 10% of the back end, back pay for lost wages, a letter of apology from Warren Littlefield, and a bowl of M&Ms with no green ones.

:lol:
LMAO! I love it!!!

And hey, there's a Cindy connection in "Double Standard"! Okay, not really, but Blair does say at one point, "Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go down to the kitchen and Julie Anne something."

Haha ;)

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heehee

And Lorsie and Retry, what about Tootie's taunting turkey torment? lol...did that get you guys rollin' too?? So hilarious!! :rofl:

The fact that they moved "Double Standard" from the 4th episode taped to being the 3rd episode shown, makes me wonder if the producers saw what a "hot" find they they got in this new Blair/Jo dynamic, and wanted to capitalize on it by showing a heavy Blair/Jo conflict episode immediately following the first two episodes of "The New Girl" (even though it would have been the 4th episode shown anyway, just 1 more episode later, but I digress, lol). I'm reminded of "The Dick Van Dyke Show", where "My Blond-Haired Brunette" was something like the 9th or 12th episode taped, but it was moved up to be the second episode shown, immediately after the pilot, because they were blown away by the discovery of Mary Tyler Moore's unbelievable comedic talents.

And hey, there's a Cindy connection in "Double Standard"! Okay, not really, but Blair does say at one point, "Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go down to the kitchen and Julie Anne something."

Haha ;)

:p
Very cute! Clearly, that's a shout-out to JAH! :lol:

Very cute! Clearly, that's a shout-out to JAH! :lol:

Actually julienne is a French term that means cutting vegetables in thin, short strips. ;)

Actually julienne is a French term that means cutting vegetables in thin, short strips. ;)

Actually I knew it was a French cooking word, hence my ";)" and ":p", and actually Retro knows that too, hence his ":lol:"

;)

:p

:lol:

lol

Actually I knew it was a French cooking word, hence my ";)" and ":p", and actually Retro knows that too, hence his ":lol:"

;)

:p

:lol:

lol

No you were clearly all serious hence my “;)”

Hahaha, I knew it! :lol:

Actually julienne is a French term that means cutting vegetables in thin, short strips. ;)

Does that mean one of our favorite Lost Girls has a name that means "cutting fish in thin, short strips"?! :lol:

Does that mean one of our favorite Lost Girls has a name that means "cutting fish in thin, short strips"?! :lol:

:brent I suppose it does

By the way, there is a terrible line in TNGP2.

In the police station, Blair is freaking out about being locked away, and Tootie says, "Blair, we've only been in here 45 minutes." And the audience laughs.

Well, that's not funny, because it's more than reasonable someone like Blair would be freaked out locked up in a holding cell. Of course spoiled, rich Blair she would want to be out after being in there for 45 minutes. Now, if Tootie has said, "Blair, we've only been in here for 5 minutes." then that would be in character to the point of being really funny. Poor little rich girl not able to handle 5 minutes locked up, lol.

But 45? Really, Linda and Margie?

Hey wait a minute...in "The Secret", Jo is angry at her father, and runs to her room to get away from him, and Blair goes to see her and gives her a pep talk about how her 3 fathers haven't shown her as much love as Jo's father is trying to give her.

Well, back a year ago in "Molly's Holiday", Molly is angry at her father, and runs to her room to get away from him, and Blair goes to see her and gives her a pep talk about how her 3 fathers haven't shown her as much love as Molly's father is trying to give her.

Interesting!

So I guess Zsa Zsa Gabor is the first big name guest star on "The Facts of Life"!

She was such a big celebrity back then, I wonder what made her do this show that wasn't even a top show, not even a top 20 show. Did she need the work? I doubt it. Did she already know and like the show? Had she never heard of it before but adored the script when her agent sent it to her? Did she take anything that came along to keep her image out there? Who knows? But it would be interesting if we knew.

Well, I'm sure that playing a countess who is glamorous, rich, independently successful, and adored by legions of females was perhaps a big plus, lol.

Hey wait a minute...in "The Secret", Jo is angry at her father, and runs to her room to get away from him, and Blair goes to see her and gives her a pep talk about how her 3 fathers haven't shown her as much love as Jo's father is trying to give her.

Well, back a year ago in "Molly's Holiday", Molly is angry at her father, and runs to her room to get away from him, and Blair goes to see her and gives her a pep talk about how her 3 fathers haven't shown her as much love as Molly's father is trying to give her.

Interesting!

YEP! It's the SAME PEP TALK! :lol:

Blair's all, "Well, it worked last year with Molly, so I'll use that line on Jo."

So I guess Zsa Zsa Gabor is the first big name guest star on "The Facts of Life"!

She was such a big celebrity back then, I wonder what made her do this show that wasn't even a top show, not even a top 20 show. Did she need the work? I doubt it. Did she already know and like the show? Had she never heard of it before but adored the script when her agent sent it to her? Did she take anything that came along to keep her image out there? Who knows? But it would be interesting if we knew.

Well, I'm sure that playing a countess who is glamorous, rich, independently successful, and adored by legions of females was perhaps a big plus, lol.

These are good questions. I don't have any of the answers, but looking at IMDb.com, it looks as though she was pretty selective: she only did one TV show or movie per year, on average, during that era. That leads me to believe that she wasn't interested in getting as much exposure as possible.

By the way, there is a terrible line in TNGP2.

In the police station, Blair is freaking out about being locked away, and Tootie says, "Blair, we've only been in here 45 minutes." And the audience laughs.

Well, that's not funny, because it's more than reasonable someone like Blair would be freaked out locked up in a holding cell. Of course spoiled, rich Blair she would want to be out after being in there for 45 minutes. Now, if Tootie has said, "Blair, we've only been in here for 5 minutes." then that would be in character to the point of being really funny. Poor little rich girl not able to handle 5 minutes locked up, lol.

But 45? Really, Linda and Margie?

5 minutes or 15 minutes would definitely be more funny, but I think 45 minutes holds up okay.

YEP! It's the SAME PEP TALK! :lol:

Blair's all, "Well, it worked last year with Molly, so I'll use that line on Jo."

Oh man! I would LOVE if that were a cut scene restored to the DVD!!

[INTERIOR: UPSTAIRS HALL]

[BLAIR approaches door to the girls' room, pauses]

Blair: "Poor Jo, this is just like when Molly ran away from her father last year during her parents' divorce. Well, I gave Molly a good pep talk back then and it helped, so I'll do the same for Jo. After all, why mess with perfection?"

[BLAIR enters the girls' room]

These are good questions. I don't have any of the answers, but looking at IMDb.com, it looks as though she was pretty selective: she only did one TV show or movie per year, on average, during that era. That leads me to believe that she wasn't interested in getting as much exposure as possible.

Hmm, that's a good theory, then. Perhaps she was very selective and wanted to do only appearances that painted her in the best light---as Countess Calvay did!

Do we know why the writer chose the name "Cheryl Thug" for a punchline of a Blair joke insulting Jo? I just Googled, and there was never such a person/figure as "Cheryl Thug". Then I thought maybe it was a pun, or a take on a name, but the closest I can think of is "Cheryl Tiegs", but that doesn't make sense. Was "Cheryl Thug" ever a fictional name thrown around, a la "Don Juan"? I've certainly never heard of her anywhere else before.

Hey wait a minute...in "The Secret", Jo is angry at her father, and runs to her room to get away from him, and Blair goes to see her and gives her a pep talk about how her 3 fathers haven't shown her as much love as Jo's father is trying to give her.

Well, back a year ago in "Molly's Holiday", Molly is angry at her father, and runs to her room to get away from him, and Blair goes to see her and gives her a pep talk about how her 3 fathers haven't shown her as much love as Molly's father is trying to give her.

Interesting!

That IS interesting!

Do we know why the writer chose the name "Cheryl Thug" for a punchline of a Blair joke insulting Jo? I just Googled, and there was never such a person/figure as "Cheryl Thug". Then I thought maybe it was a pun, or a take on a name, but the closest I can think of is "Cheryl Tiegs", but that doesn't make sense. Was "Cheryl Thug" ever a fictional name thrown around, a la "Don Juan"? I've certainly never heard of her anywhere else before.

Like you, I suspect it was a pun on an existing celebrity's name, or someone in the news at that time, but I can't figure out who it might have been. There are a lot of possibilities.

Tiegs doesn't rhyme, and would have been unrecognizable as a pun.

Blair: "Poor Jo, this is just like when Molly ran away from her father last year during her parents' divorce. Well, I gave Molly a good pep talk back then and it helped, so I'll do the same for Jo. After all, why mess with perfection?"


That's so Blair! :lol:

Like you, I suspect it was a pun on an existing celebrity's name, or someone in the news at that time, but I can't figure out who it might have been. There are a lot of possibilities.

Tiegs doesn't rhyme, and would have been unrecognizable as a pun.

Yeah, that's why I said "pun, or a take on a name", since Tiegs isn't a pun, and knowing Tiegs could only fit in that latter category, but that still doesn't make sense. I suspect it was just a name they pulled out of thin air...but...why? :confused: lol

That's so Blair! :lol:

Wait'll you see a pic I'm gonna post tomorrow that's "so Blair!" to me! :lol:

That's so Blair! :lol:

Sure is. "Poor Sue Ann, I just called her fat everyday of our friendship but now she wont eat?!"

Oh Lorsie, lol...

Oh, another thought I had, maybe they made up the name "Cheryl Thug" in the category of "Negative Nellie" or "Debbie Downer", but if so, why not make an alliterative name like those? Like, oh, I dunno, "Thelma Thug" or "Thetis Thug"? haha (Thetis was a minor sea goddess in ancient Greek mythology, lol)

Sure is. "Poor Sue Ann, I just called her fat everyday of our friendship but now she wont eat?!"

Yeah, it's quite twisted when you think about it.

Teen suicide. Wow. :( Poor Cynthia. If only she had talked to someone! :(

And so early in the second season...quite a risk.

Teen suicide. Wow. :( Poor Cynthia. If only she had talked to someone! :(

And so early in the second season...quite a risk.

I know, there were very few signs. It was a huge risk! Had suicide ever been shown in a comedy before?

I know, there were very few signs. It was a huge risk! Had suicide ever been shown in a comedy before?

Retro will let you know. I don't know that it has. This show was so unique. It had comedy plenty, but still had those scenes of drama too. But that seemed the show's riskiest move of all---well, story-wise (not counting the post-season 1 remodeling of the show itself).

On my soap I used to watch, my favorite character Frankie (nickname for "Mary Frances") was betrayed by her childhood best friend Christy in 1993 when Christy moved to the show's main town, rekindled their friendship, fell in love with Frankie's husband, and secretly killed her own terminally ill husband and framed my Frankie for assisted suicide, so Frankie would be jailed and Christy would have Frankie's hubby all to herself! (but the hubby wanted nothing to do with Christy in that way---it turns out, Christy had "problems"!)

I know, there were very few signs. It was a huge risk! Had suicide ever been shown in a comedy before?

What year you guys talking about? One Day At A Time did teen suicide (unsuccessful attempt) in 1977.

What year you guys talking about? One Day At A Time did teen suicide (unsuccessful attempt) in 1977.

1981, but this one was sadly successful.

Thinking of this emoji for the Countess Calvay episode:

Jo: "She liked my bone structure! :D"

Retro will let you know. I don't know that it has. This show was so unique. It had comedy plenty, but still had those scenes of drama too. But that seemed the show's riskiest move of all---well, story-wise (not counting the post-season 1 remodeling of the show itself).

On my soap I used to watch, my favorite character Frankie (nickname for "Mary Frances") was betrayed by her childhood best friend Christy in 1993 when Christy moved to the show's main town, rekindled their friendship, fell in love with Frankie's husband, and secretly killed her own terminally ill husband and framed my Frankie for assisted suicide, so Frankie would be jailed and Christy would have Frankie's hubby all to herself! (but the hubby wanted nothing to do with Christy in that way---it turns out, Christy had "problems"!)

Ahh soaps, they have so many twisted narratives

1981, but this one was sadly successful.

:(

Ours was pills. What was yours?

I know, there were very few signs. It was a huge risk! Had suicide ever been shown in a comedy before?

Definitely on MASH. "End Run (https://www.mash4077tv.com/episodes/season05a/#episode113)", episode 5-17, in 1977, was a suicide episode. But this was very likely the first suicide of a schoolgirl shown on a US sitcom.

What year you guys talking about? One Day At A Time did teen suicide (unsuccessful attempt) in 1977.
Ah, thanks, Opus! Good info!

1981, but this one was sadly successful.

Yep. And as you know, NBC didn't want the girl to die in the end, but Linda and Margie were insistent.

Definitely on MASH. "End Run (https://www.mash4077tv.com/episodes/season05a/#episode113)", episode 5-17, in 1977, was a suicide episode. But this was very likely the first suicide of a schoolgirl shown on a US sitcom.

That show didn’t seem like a comedy to me. More drama with a laughtrack. But I never really saw it. :lol:

:(

Ours was pills. What was yours?

Pills, too! (apparently stronger ones)

Funny, I watched the entire series of ODAT along with you guys over on that board a few years ago, but I don't remember that episode at all. But I remember the glass giraffe breaking on the restaurant floor. :lol:

Yep. And as you know, NBC didn't want the girl to die in the end, but Linda and Margie were insistent.

What?? No, I did not know! :eek:

Or else, I did know, and forgot, if this was from a televised documentary.

Wow.

I definitely believe that.

That show didn’t seem like a comedy to me. More drama with a laughtrack. But I never really saw it. :lol:

Me either.

Lorsie 'n '80s: :baby: :baby:

Me either.

Lorsie 'n '80s: :baby: :baby:

:lol:

Hey! Kimberly was referenced in season 2!!

Indirectly!

Wow, I always forget about this, 'cause it's so fleeting...when Willis goes up to the girls' room to deliver more cosmetic shipments to Blair, Tootie freaks out that he can't come in because he's a boy. But he says, "It's cool Tootie, I've been in a girl's room before. I've got a sister."

Wow! Kimberly's sole mention after the show's premiere episode! (nameless though it be, it's still cool that they thought to reference her)

Hey! Kimberly was referenced in season 2!!

Indirectly!

Wow, I always forget about this, 'cause it's so fleeting...when Willis goes up to the girls' room to deliver more cosmetic shipments to Blair, Tootie freaks out that he can't come in because he's a boy. But he says, "It's cool Tootie, I've been in a girl's room before. I've got a sister."

Wow! Kimberly's sole mention after the show's premiere episode! (nameless though it be, it's still cool that they thought to reference her)

Still no reference to her not attending Eastland anymore though?

Still no reference to her not attending Eastland anymore though?

No, but at least it's something! lol

Pills, too! (apparently stronger ones)

Funny, I watched the entire series of ODAT along with you guys over on that board a few years ago, but I don't remember that episode at all. But I remember the glass giraffe breaking on the restaurant floor. :lol:

Good memory. That’s the suicide ep (it’s a two parter. Giraffe breaks in part one).

Okay, I can't wait until tomorrow. I have to share this! The moment I referenced earlier saying a moment that's "so Blair!" that I love.

They really gave Lisa her comedy chops with Blair in season 2. She starts off how she was in season 1, but they gradually broaden out playing on her wealth, her status, and her self-absorption.

One of my favorite Blair moments in season 2 is in "Bought and Sold", when Mrs. Garrett lectures Blair, then starts to lecture Natalie, saying, "But Natalie, aren't you forgetting something? It's not all Blair's fault." And then Blair gloats over being half off the hook, "home free"-gushing and saying:

-

I love how she does that in that moment! :rofl:

Still no reference to her not attending Eastland anymore though?
They definitely talked about Kimberly no longer attending Eastland on DS.

Good memory. That’s the suicide ep (it’s a two parter. Giraffe breaks in part one).

Oh, now that's really funny, that's even the same episode out of, like, 9 seasons! :lol:

Okay...yeah, I'm remembering now...a hyper girl who was desperate for Barbara to be her friend. I remember that part, at least.

Oh, now that's really funny, that's even the same episode out of, like, 9 seasons! :lol:

Okay...yeah, I'm remembering now...a hyper girl who was desperate for Barbara to be her friend. I remember that part, at least.

Spot on description :wave:

Okay, I can't wait until tomorrow. I have to share this! The moment I referenced earlier saying a moment that's "so Blair!" that I love.

They really gave Lisa her comedy chops with Blair in season 2. She starts off how she was in season 1, but they gradually broaden out playing on her wealth, her status, and her self-absorption.

One of my favorite Blair moments in season 2 is in "Bought and Sold", when Mrs. Garrett lectures Blair, then starts to lecture Natalie, saying, "But Natalie, aren't you forgetting something? It's not all Blair's fault." And then Blair gloats over being half off the hook, "home free"-gushing and saying:

-

HAHAHA!!!! "You don't see me getting upset when people tell me how GORGEOUS I am!"

HAHAHA!!!! "You don't see me getting upset when people tell me how GORGEOUS I am!"

:lol: GREAT "Blair" lines, Lorimar and '80s!

:lol: GREAT "Blair" lines, Lorimar and '80s!

:lol: thanks

HAHAHA!!!! "You don't see me getting upset when people tell me how GORGEOUS I am!"

YES! That's her BEST in season 1! :rofl:

YES! That's her BEST in season 1! :rofl:

Haha yes IQ is full of hysterical moments! From "Don't be upset about being the dumbest girl in school" to "You're right Blair its not you either:talk::p!" to "Ohhh they get easierrrrrrr!"

Oh wow, in "Free Spirit" Mrs. Garrett tells Alex, "Dreams can change, and it's okay. I was a housekeeper who wanted to see the world. I did," (when did she "see the world"??) "and now I'm a nutritionist with my own girls, and I love it! In 5 years...who knows?"

Well Mrs. Garrett, this is 1981, so in 5 years, in 1986, you will be married again and on your way to Africa to work in the Peace Corps! :eek: Wow!

Oh wow, in "Free Spirit" Mrs. Garrett tells Alex, "Dreams can change, and it's okay. I was a housekeeper who wanted to see the world. I did," (when did she "see the world"??) "and now I'm a nutritionist with my own girls, and I love it! In 5 years...who knows?"

Well Mrs. Garrett, this is 1981, so in 5 years, in 1986, you will be married again and on your way to Africa to work in the Peace Corps! :eek: Wow!

Haha that is something!

Haha that is something!

Right?? And this is such a heavy Mrs. Garrett episode, she and Alex get the whole last chunk! And boy, does Mrs. Garrett gripe and yell at Natalie and Alex both in this one! lol, fun stuff!

I'm gonna miss season 2. I wish there had been more episodes. Lost girls will be less, Tootie's hair is gonna go to the bowl cut midway through the next season, and Nat will put her hair in long pigtails and Jo hers in a ponytail, and they'll never take them down for the next 2 years.

:(

But, on the upside, Mrs. Garrett's face, which always looks "deflated" for a while in season 1 after having suddenly lost "25 big ones!", will be looking more and more natural.

I'm gonna miss season 2. I wish there had been more episodes. Lost girls will be less, Tootie's hair is gonna go to the bowl cut midway through the next season, and Nat will put her hair in long pigtails and Jo hers in a ponytail, and they'll never take them down for the next 2 years.


Really? Never?

Really? Never?


Really!

Never!

And if I'm wrong, I'll---I'll eat my hat!

(I don't mind making that bet because I don't have a hat! :lol: )

Don't forget we lose Tootie's pigtails which she wore since episode 3! Atleast we get one more appearance of Cindy in her braids! And Sue Ann has her Farrah Fawcet hair.

Okay, the ONLY time I can think of where they MIGHT let their hair down, is at the Stone Academy dance (I always forget that's not Bates Academy, lol---we heard of Bates back in "Flash Flood", but never ever saw it!).

Don't forget we lose Tootie's pigtails which she wore since episode 3! Atleast we get one more appearance of Cindy in her braids! And Sue Ann has her Farrah Fawcet hair.

Yeah, but I love Tootie's top knot she has for the first third-or-half of season 3! It's so cute on her! (that's what I meant in my earlier post saying Tootie would go to the bowl cut mid-way through the next season)

Maybe we'll see more Lost Girls in crowd scenes! Okay, that's really asking a bit much, but I have to believe they're in more than 1 (!) episode! (way to be a downer Lorsie, haha)

Yeah, but I love Tootie's top knot she has for the first third-or-half of season 3! It's so cute on her! (that's what I meant in my earlier post saying Tootie would go to the bowl cut mid-way through the next season)

Maybe we'll see more Lost Girls in crowd scenes! Okay, that's really asking a bit much, but I have to believe they're in more than 1 (!) episode!

Top knot? I just consider them pigtails. Yeah I like her hair down in the first half before she gets her Molly cut.


Nancy is in more than one....


(way to be a downer Lorsie, haha)

Well pardon me! :snob:

Haha, you are pardoned, just like Jo's dad! :bash: :D

Top knot? I just consider them pigtails. Yeah I like her hair down in the first half before she gets her Molly cut.

No no, Lorsie! :lol: "Lorsie, Lorsie, Lorsie, Lorsie, Lorsie!" (a la Blair, haha)---pig tails are pig tails, what she had in seasons 1 and 2. A top knot is the single bun-knot thingy that sticks straight up on the top of her head. That's the style she has for the first while of season 3, before going to the hideous bowl cut, lol. And with the top knot, the back of her hair does kind of a "fan down/out" kind of thing that looks cool, lol.

Ok I was confused as to what you were referring as a top knot.

I’m watching last weeks episode of The Goldbergs and Adam made a FOL parody called “The Facts of Lainey” using the 2-6 theme song and even used a still of Kim Fields in her “top knot” season 3 credit.

Ok I was confused as to what you were referring as a top knot.

But I was clear earlier! I said I loved the top knot she has for the first third-or-half of season 3! :lol: Oh, Lorsie! :crazy: :p


I’m watching last weeks episode of The Goldbergs and Adam made a FOL parody called “The Facts of Lainey” using the 2-6 theme song and even used a still of Kim Fields in her “top knot” season 3 credit.

Shhhhh! I'm gonna surprise you guys on the board with screen caps and a recap of that this weekend! Should I tell you guys now, or wait and keep it a surprise?

Miss Mahoney: "Nah. Let's keep it a surprise. :rolleyes:"


(haha!)

But I was clear earlier! I said I loved the top knot she has for the first third-or-half of season 3! :lol: Oh, Lorsie! :crazy: :p




Shhhhh! :shh: I'm gonna surprise you guys on the board with screen caps and a recap of that this weekend! Should I tell you guys now, or wait and keep it a surprise?

Miss Mahoney: "Nah. Let's keep it a surprise. :rolleyes:"


(haha!)
Sorry ;)
Good idea, keep it a surprise. :crazy:

Sorry ;)
Good idea, keep it a surprise. :crazy:

Thanks, I will! You'll never know! :lol:

(by the way, you caught my fake emoji code in what you quoted, before I erased it---I swear there was a "sh" or "quiet" emoji doing the "shhhh" finger to lips---but it's not in the list! lol)

Thanks, I will! You'll never know! :lol:

(by the way, you caught my fake emoji code in what you quoted, before I erased it---I swear there was a "sh" or "quiet" emoji doing the "shhhh" finger to lips---but it's not in the list! lol)

Haha oh! Well I don’t see any shh emojis. The closest I can find is: :nonono:

So jo isn’t in the episode “smile”. Is that the first time since season 1?

So jo isn’t in the episode “smile”. Is that the first time since season 1?

No. She also missed episode 6-04, "My Boyfriend's Back", seen earlier that season.

In those two episodes, which were taped first and second in the season, Nancy McKeon was renegotiating her contract, and did not show up for taping.

Oh wow, in "Free Spirit" Mrs. Garrett tells Alex, "Dreams can change, and it's okay. I was a housekeeper who wanted to see the world. I did," (when did she "see the world"??

Well, she saw France... Maybe not the whole world, but a nice part of it.

Well, she saw France... Maybe not the whole world, but a nice part of it.

But that's not until about a year and a half later! lol ;)

No. She also missed episode 6-04, "My Boyfriend's Back", seen earlier that season.

In those two episodes, which were taped first and second in the season, Nancy McKeon was renegotiating her contract, and did not show up for taping.

Ah interesting! They really shuffled episode orders around huh? Just like The Four Musketeers was clearly an earlier episode since Tootie had her top knot again after having a bowl cut for a few episodes.

Ah interesting! They really shuffled episode orders around huh? Just like The Four Musketeers was clearly an earlier episode since Tootie had her top knot again after having a bowl cut for a few episodes.

Oh, thank you for reminding me! I'll look forward to "The Return of the Top Knot"! :D

(and look at you, adapting that into your vocabulary---Lorsie, you've come a long way, baby! :baby: :clap: )

Oh, thank you for reminding me! I'll look forward to "The Return of the Top Knot"! :D

(and look at you, adapting that into your vocabulary---Lorsie, you've come a long way, baby! :baby: :clap: )

Haha you're welcome! We're not just a family here, we learn from each other! :grouphug:

I think you'd know since 2 scenes from the intro were clearly not shown yet on the show. You have to know they didnt just cut two big scenes out.

Haha you're welcome! We're not just a family here, we learn from each other! :grouphug:

Aww, yes! We learn from each other, and we also learn from computers and books! :typing: :read:

Aww, yes! We learn from each other, and we also learn from computers and books! :typing: :read:

Still no talking computers yet though :(

Still no talking computers yet though :(

Hahaha! "Dear Lorsie" :p

Well, you can always grow your hair out to 4 feet long and braid it like a baguette! :rofl:

Hahaha! "Dear Lorsie" :p

Well, you can always grow your hair out to 4 feet long and braid it like a baguette! :rofl:

Uh wrong episode there, Eights! ;)

Uh wrong episode there, Eights! ;)

Uh right era though, Lorsie! ;)

Uh right era though, Lorsie! ;)

Still wrong ep though :p:nonono:

Still wrong ep though :p:nonono:

:lol: That doesn't matter, I wasn't going for the episode, just something similar in the same era! :lol:

:lol: That doesn't matter, I wasn't going for the episode, just something similar in the same era! :lol:

Fine! If you wanna do it the easy way! ;)

:argue:

:argue:
:sarah:

I can't stand it anymore! We gotta be buddies again! haha! :bighug:

I can't stand it anymore! We gotta be buddies again! haha! :bighug:

YEAH! PALS TO THE END!

YEAH! PALS TO THE END!

:lol:

:D:D

Ya know, when I watch "Teenage Marriage Part 2" and see Mrs. Garrett stick it to Jo in Retro's favorite hotel room (tire-tread blanket, anyone?), I always wonder, why didn't she pull that with Jo sooner, back at Eastland? You know, that whole, "Ohhhh, no you don't! I am personally responsible for you!! And you're gonna stay put!!"

Maybe she was just too stunned and couldn't believe it was actually happening, but she really should have stopped Jo from running away from Eastland before it got to that point.

Oh man, Donna Summer made it into season 2! She got mentioned in "Free Spirit"---twice! :eek:

Nancy must've really spread the Donna Summer disco love all over campus!

She was mentioned first by, I think, Tootie, and then later by Alex.

"Hey ev'rybody, lets learn some dance steps in the cafeteria---I've got some great Donna Summer records! :dance: "

Haha yeah makes sense that Nancy would play them in the common areas.

Oh man, Donna Summer made it into season 2! She got mentioned in "Free Spirit"---twice! :eek:

Nancy must've really spread the Donna Summer disco love all over campus!

She was mentioned first by, I think, Tootie, and then later by Alex.

"Hey ev'rybody, lets learn some dance steps in the cafeteria---I've got some great Donna Summer records! :dance: "
Haha! Nice find!

And they even have the stereo to play some records in the cafeteria!

Apparently disco music died when Nancy faded from the show. :lol:

Ya know, when I watch "Teenage Marriage Part 2" and see Mrs. Garrett stick it to Jo in Retro's favorite hotel room (tire-tread blanket, anyone?),

:rofl:


I always wonder, why didn't she pull that with Jo sooner, back at Eastland? You know, that whole, "Ohhhh, no you don't! I am personally responsible for you!! And you're gonna stay put!!"

Maybe she was just too stunned and couldn't believe it was actually happening, but she really should have stopped Jo from running away from Eastland before it got to that point.

Yes, but I think that was her last gambit to get Jo to go back. If she had played that card earlier, it might not have worked.

Yes, but I think that was her last gambit to get Jo to go back. If she had played that card earlier, it might not have worked.

I doubt it. She respected Mrs. Garrett enough that I think she would have had to have stuck around, and Mrs. Garrett would have gotten militant and made her talk to her mom.

I doubt it. She respected Mrs. Garrett enough that I thinks he would have to have stuck around, and Mrs. Garrett would have gotten militant and made her talk to her mom.

Geez Eights why you gotta ruin the plot? :winkgrin

I need to know. Did Jo go with George to his high school reunion, even though Blair already turned him down?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaLaNMLWwAA-Gfm.jpg

Oh, and that Gimme a Break plot sounds like a laugh riot.....

But that's not until about a year and a half later! lol ;)
Oh, right. Good point. :lol:

I need to know. Did Jo go with George to his high school reunion, even though Blair already turned him down?

Blair actually had to cancel on George, because she had previously made a date with another guy, but forgot.

(What are ya gonna do? It's Season Seven :lol: ).

Blair actually had to cancel on George, because she had previously made a date with another guy, but forgot.

(What are ya gonna do? It's Season Seven :lol: ).

:lol:

Oh, and that Gimme a Break plot sounds like a laugh riot.....

Sounds like a very special ep...

Yeah that ad got the plot all wrong. Blair never turned George down. The guy she went out with was obsessed with her. She had to go with him or he would have hounded her over missing another date with him. She eventually locked him in the trunk of his car to go to George's reunion. This is the episode Lisa had to rewatch to realize she actually kissed George Clooney in an episode. She had forgotten about it.

Yeah that ad got the plot all wrong. Blair never turned George down. The guy she went out with was obsessed with her. She had to go with him or he would have hounded her over missing another date with him. She eventually locked him in the trunk of his car to go to George's reunion. This is the episode Lisa had to rewatch to realize she actually kissed George Clooney in an episode. She had forgotten about it.

She.... I.... wow..... and people diss season one...

She.... I.... wow..... and people diss season one...


Fans diss season seven too. Most fans mainly like seasons 2 - 4 and tolerate seasons 5 and 6. When I first started posting here in 2001, fans talked about how bad the Over Our Heads seasons were. You'll find a lot of threads where people complain how corny they are. They were comparing them to season 1. Season 7 isn't a popular season with fans. After rewatching it, I agree. I would rate it down at the bottom with seasons 1 and 9. I'm glad they were able to bounce back in season 8. Season 8 is the only season I like from the Over Our Heads era.

Well having the lost girls appear in it helps. ;) Yeah I already sorta feel the quality going down in season 6. Its had some good eps though.

So what do people think of Andy?

So what do people think of Andy?

He's never gotten much love around here.

Hmm, so in "Running" the expected star (athlete) has bailed out of the race this year because of her studies.

In "Green-Eyed Monster", the expected star has bailed out of the musical this year because of her studies.

In both of them, the expected girl ends up competing after all, and then the girls fight. And in both of them, the pairs of girls are best friends, and this is pointed out by the other girls. In "Running", Sue Ann punches Blair after trying to hit Cindy. In GEM, Natalie punches Blair's palm tree after claiming she was jumping for joy and tripped (haha), so in both episodes, Blair suffers damage---in R personally, and in GEM artistically.

And, of course, in both, Mrs. Garrett helps clear things up, and the girls apologize.

And, of course, in both episodes, Nancy has only about 5 lines. ;)

Hmm, so in "Running" the expected star (athlete) has bailed out of the race this year because of her studies.

In "Green-Eyed Monster", the expected star has bailed out of the musical this year because of her studies.

In both of them, the expected girl ends up competing after all, and then the girls fight. And in both of them, the pairs of girls are best friends, and this is pointed out by the other girls. In "Running", Sue Ann punches Blair after trying to hit Cindy. In GEM, Natalie punches Blair's palm tree after claiming she was jumping for joy and tripped (haha), so in both episodes, Blair suffers damage---in R personally, and in GEM artistically.

And, of course, in both, Mrs. Garrett helps clear things up, and the girls apologize.

Nice connections!


And, of course, in both episodes, Nancy has only about 5 lines. ;)

:lol: Yep, Nancy got "Nancied" again!

Hmm, so in "Running" the expected star (athlete) has bailed out of the race this year because of her studies.

In "Green-Eyed Monster", the expected star has bailed out of the musical this year because of her studies.

In both of them, the expected girl ends up competing after all, and then the girls fight. And in both of them, the pairs of girls are best friends, and this is pointed out by the other girls. In "Running", Sue Ann punches Blair after trying to hit Cindy. In GEM, Natalie punches Blair's palm tree after claiming she was jumping for joy and tripped (haha), so in both episodes, Blair suffers damage---in R personally, and in GEM artistically.

And, of course, in both, Mrs. Garrett helps clear things up, and the girls apologize.

And, of course, in both episodes, Nancy has only about 5 lines. ;)
:rofl:

Great analysis Eights. They did kinda recreate that Ep here

Nice connections!



:lol: Yep, Nancy got "Nancied" again!

Atleast she was a guest star here in one of her last appearances for 4.5 years

So what do people think of Andy?

To me, he just feels... misplaced.

As if he would have been great on Silver Spoons or Charles in Charge, but he's ten years too young to be hanging around these 20-something girls. It makes no sense, and we're never given any motivation for him to hang around them, or they around him.

:yeahthat

I will say though, Mackenzie Astin sure gained my respect last summer after he shared his thoughts about Charlotte Rae.

I mean so far he doesn't bother me but he's just an assistant Mrs G brought on with caution. When he came up with some great story about her baking quiches in the shape of the star of David for a Bar Mitzvah she knew he would work fine. Of course that doesn't explain why he appears once EE is gone but I'll get there.

I'm currently watching "Hee Haw" re-runs on Sunday nights, and they're airing reruns from 1980. So right now it's like I can picture what it was like back in Kansas City, Kansas with Sue Ann and her parents and Tiger all gathered around the farmhouse TV on Saturday nights* watching "Hee Haw" :lol:.

*(it aired on Saturday nights when it originally aired, at least in our region)

:yeahthat

I will say though, Mackenzie Astin sure gained my respect last summer after he shared his thoughts about Charlotte Rae.

Well, clearly they cared for one another, and I respect his work as a child actor. For me, the scripts were the problem.

I'm currently watching "Hee Haw" re-runs on Sunday nights, and they're airing reruns from 1980. So right now it's like I can picture what it was like back in Kansas City, Kansas with Sue Ann and her parents and Tiger all gathered around the farmhouse TV on Saturday nights* watching "Hee Haw" :lol:.

*(it aired on Saturday nights when it originally aired, at least in our region)

:brent
You should photoshop that!

I'm currently watching "Hee Haw" re-runs on Sunday nights, and they're airing reruns from 1980. So right now it's like I can picture what it was like back in Kansas City, Kansas with Sue Ann and her parents and Tiger all gathered around the farmhouse TV on Saturday nights* watching "Hee Haw" :lol:.

*(it aired on Saturday nights when it originally aired, at least in our region)

Nice!

I remember Hee Haw fondly. We watched the show with my grandparents. I got to meet Minnie Pearl when I was about twelve, when we went to the Grand Ole Opry, and she was very nice to us.

Roy Clark just recently passed on; "Pickin' and Grinnin'" was my favorite sketch.

Sue Ann definitely got the inspiration for her clothes from the Hee Haw Honeys.

The poor trashy couple Ida Lee and Laverne was my least favorite sketch---they scared me! Especially her when she would yell! :eek:

Misty Rowe was my favorite thing on the show---I loved her bedtime stories! :)

OK you've lost me with this talk now. :lol:

OK you've lost me with this talk now. :lol:
lol, think of it a rural version of "Laugh-In", Lorsie :cow: pig: :horse:
If you're familiar with "Laugh-In"! :baby:

lol, think of a rural version of "Laugh-In", Lorsie :cow: pig: :horse:
If you're familiar with "Laugh-In"! :baby:

:lookaroun:ufo:

^--- lol :crazy:

I wish there was a "gotta leave" emoji

I wish there was a "gotta leave" emoji

:eek:

:(

It was just a joke, Lorsie!

:groucho:
(lol)

:eek:

:(

It was just a joke, Lorsie!

:groucho:
(lol)

HAHA no I wanted to respond to the Laugh-in ref with a "runaway- woosh" type emoji. I actually have heard of the show btw, but only heard.

HAHA no I wanted to respond to the Laugh-in ref with a "runaway- woosh" type emoji. I actually have heard of the show btw, but only heard.

I know you were kiddin' too, lol. I've seen some re-runs/clips of it.

OK you've lost me with this talk now. :lol:

Minnie Pearl (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzfbTb5i9Cs)

Pickin' and Grinnin' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoIEMXGT124)

Ida Lee and Laverne fussin' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6nQrklcNno)

Hee Haw Honeys (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU96UEK5j-A)

Misty Rowe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNR9mIKp1is)

So basically southern stand up routines

So basically southern stand up routines

And musical numbers, and group skits with a southern style. Yes.

And musical numbers, and group skits with a southern style. Yes.

Oh so the hoop de doe revue :lol:

omg: Mrs G eloped and broke her exes heart?!

Blair dating a coke addict! Oh dear...

Blair dating a coke addict! Oh dear...

He would've loved that party Mr. Gideon was at!

:nonono:

He would've loved that party Mr. Gideon was at!

:nonono:

Atleast Jo learned her lesson and didn’t write a report

Atleast Jo learned her lesson and didn’t write a report

haha ;)

Hey, I just realized something tonight...2 of the Jacksons were on sister shows! Janet was on DS, and Jermaine appeared on FOL.

Also, "Superstar" is the one episode of the series that features a voice actor from the classic '80s toon Dungeons & Dragons! Tonia Gayle Smith, who voiced Diana, the acrobat, is "Fan #1!" :rock:

haha ;)

Hey, I just realized something tonight...2 of the Jacksons were on sister shows! Janet was on DS, and Jermaine appeared on FOL.

Also, "Superstar" is the one episode of the series that features a voice actor from the classic '80s toon Dungeons & Dragons! Tonia Gayle Smith, who voiced Diana, the acrobat, is "Fan #1!" :rock:

Whens Janet on?

Whens Janet on?

She's not! Didn't you hear me? Oh, Lorsie! :lol:

I was saying 2 Jackson siblings were on 2 sister shows. Janet was on DS, and Jermaine was on its spin-off FOL. :)

popcorn: :so

She's not! Didn't you hear me? Oh, Lorsie! :lol:

I was saying 2 Jackson siblings were on 2 sister shows. Janet was on DS, and Jermaine was on its spin-off FOL. :)

popcorn: :so

Ohhhhhh :crazy:

Ohhhhhh :crazy:

:lol:

:grouphug:

:bighug:

haha ;)

Hey, I just realized something tonight...2 of the Jacksons were on sister shows! Janet was on DS, and Jermaine appeared on FOL.

Also, "Superstar" is the one episode of the series that features a voice actor from the classic '80s toon Dungeons & Dragons! Tonia Gayle Smith, who voiced Diana, the acrobat, is "Fan #1!" :rock:

Woah! Cool find!

Always wondered what Diana looked like. (I know what Hank and Eric looked like).

Woah! Cool find!

Always wondered what Diana looked like. (I know what Hank and Eric looked like).

Yup---I'm almost sure she's the girl in the blue jacket with "Motown" in sparkly silver on the back. Headband, short hair---a lot shorter than Diana's! lol

She even got nominated for her voice work on D&D one year!

"Blair" was right!

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Haha wow, she's good...

Haha wow, she's good...

Right?? When I watched SL, I was like, "OMG, if Lisa could see herself now :eek: " (which, she can if she looks in a mirror, but you know what I mean :lol: )

Right?? When I watched SL, I was like, "OMG, if Lisa could see herself now :eek: " (which, she can if she looks in a mirror, but you know what I mean :lol: )

LOL!

Is Gone with the wind the first episode without Charlotte Rae?

^---Yes:

"Gone with the Wind: Part 1"
Directed by: John Bowab
Written by: Kimberly Hill
February 13

he girls spend Spring Break in Florida when a hurricane hits.

Note: Charlotte Rae was absent in this episode. This is her first absence in the season. She was absent in the five following episodes. Michael Damian makes his first appearance as Flyman.

"Oil of Olay" was a punchline in 2 different cafeteria episodes! :lol:

Wow, in "The Affair" Natalie screams at Blair, shouting at her that, among other things, "You're cheap, and sleazy, and disgusting!!" :eek: Of course, her world has just been shot out of a cannon.

What feels awkward as a viewer though, is the fact that the next scene opens with Natalie sitting at a cafeteria table between Jo and---Blair! And there's no apology from Natalie, no mention of Natalie screaming in Blair's face, no acknowledgement from Blair or Natalie of what had just happened in the previous scene. They just seem "normal" again. That's jarring, I wish there had at least been an acknowledgment.

That is weird. Nat really went at her

Whoa! Natalie's sister got another mention! :eek:

Nat mentioned her in passing, in, I think, "Starstruck". I completely forgot her flight attendant sister was ever mentioned after her only other mentions in "Rough Housing" and "Overachieving", the latter in which she actually appeared!

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Whoa! Natalie's sister got another mention! :eek:

Nat mentioned her in passing, in, I think, "Starstruck". I completely forgot her flight attendant sister was ever mentioned after her only other mentions in "Rough Housing" and "Overachieving", the latter in which she actually appeared!

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Is that really her sister? Wow!

Is that really her sister? Wow!

Yeah! And it's the only instance I can think of in any sitcom where a sibling of a main character is on screen, but not given any lines! (maybe Felice wouldn't let her: "If I'm getting barely any lines, hell no 'Natalie's sister' ain't gettin' any!" lol)

It's always unsettling to see Tootie getting this close [*holds fingers very close together*] to getting trapped in the world of Manhattan prostitution. :eek: And it's always so sad to think of poor Christy's life. Mike is so abusive to her in his authority, and Tootie says goodbye to her with a look through the coffee shop window, leaving her to her repeating life as a juvenile hooker. :(

It's always unsettling to see Tootie getting this close [*holds fingers very close together*] to getting trapped in the world of Manhattan prostitution. :eek: And it's always so sad to think of poor Christy's life. Mike is so abusive to her in his authority, and Tootie says goodbye to her with a look through the coffee shop window, leaving her to her repeating life as a juvenile hooker. :(

It is, its too bad Tootie couldnt say something at the end to alert police about it.

It is, its too bad Tootie couldnt say something at the end to alert police about it.

Oo, good point! :yeahthat

Maybe after Tootie told Mrs. Garrett and the girls all about it on the train back to Peekskill, Mrs. Garrett called the police in Manhattan and told them all about it!

Oh Lorsie, thank for bringing hope for Christy! :bighug:

Oo, good point! :yeahthat

Maybe after Tootie told Mrs. Garrett and the girls all about it on the train back to Peekskill, Mrs. Garrett called the police in Manhattan and told them all about it!

Oh Lorsie, thank for bringing hope for Christy! :bighug:

Anytime! ;) Its a little quiet around here lately, huh? Are you busy?

Anytime! ;) Its a little quiet around here lately, huh? Are you busy?

Usually! lol...plus, I was outta the office for work most of the day today.

Usually! lol...plus, I was outta the office for work most of the day today.

Haha yeah it just seems extra quiet around here these past few days.

Whoa, Mrs. Garrett is wearing the same thin purple dress in "The Academy" that she did in "The Marriage Brokers"!

And OMG Jo and Natalie actually have their hair down!

:eek2:

It's funny that we meet 1 of Jo's uncles and 3 of her cousins a whole year before we ever meet her mother! :cuckoo

"Blair" was right!

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It's SO true! :lol:

Yeah! And it's the only instance I can think of in any sitcom where a sibling of a main character is on screen, but not given any lines! (maybe Felice wouldn't let her: "If I'm getting barely any lines, hell no 'Natalie's sister' ain't gettin' any!" lol)
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

It's SO true! :lol:

Right?? When I saw her say that, I was like, "WHOA, then-Lisa, if you could only see now-Lisa!" lol :cheer:

Right?? When I saw her say that, I was like, "WHOA, then-Lisa, if you could only see now-Lisa!" lol :cheer:

Tbh, all of the girls aged very well. Molly, Felice, the Julies, and Kim all look fantastic.

2 things I wonder about Lost Girl cameos in the cafeteria years:

1) Since Cindy and Sue Ann are nearly always seen buddy-buddying together like they're "buddies forever" or something ( ;) ), I wonder if, when the producers/writers were discussing episodes to show other girls in, if they ever said things like, "Let's get the Julies from the first year" or "We'll put Felice and the Julies in".

2) Since the Julies' characters' names are NEVER used in the cafeteria years (but oddly/respectably they are still credited as their characters in the closing credits), I wonder if, when Felice was first contacted about doing "Gossip", she told her agent, "Okay, I'll come back for some recurring appearances, but ONLY if my character is the ONLY one from the first season who gets to have her name used! Sue Ann and Cindy got enough attention last year, I want this to be NANCY'S turn! :soapbox: "

;)

Tbh, all of the girls aged very well. Molly, Felice, the Julies, and Kim all look fantastic.

This is true!

2 things I wonder about Lost Girl cameos in the cafeteria years:


1) Since Cindy and Sue Ann are nearly always seen buddy-buddying together like they're "buddies forever" or something ( ;) ), I wonder if, when the producers/writers were discussing episodes to show other girls in, if they ever said things like, "Let's get the Julie's from the first year" or "We'll put Felice and the Julies in".


2) Since the Julies' characters' names are NEVER used in the cafeteria years (but oddly/respectably they are still credited as their characters in the closing credits), I wonder if, when Felice was first contacted about doing "Gossip", she told her agent, "Okay, I'll come back for some recurring appearances, but ONLY if my character is the ONLY one from the first season who gets to have her name used! Sue Ann and Cindy got enough attention last year, I want this to be NANCY'S turn! :soapbox: "

;)

Oooh interesting theory. It was like they only wanted us to remember Nancy was a character. Don't forget Tootie calls Molly by name as well.

Don't forget Tootie calls Molly by name as well.
Oh, I didn't. But that is before Felice makes her "comeback". So Molly got out just in time to have her name said once in the cafeteria. ;)

So "Molly" and "Nancy" are said in the cafeteria :singer: but "Sue Ann" and "Cindy" never are. :(

Oh, I didn't. But that is before Felice makes her "comeback". So Molly got out just in time to have her name said once in the cafeteria. ;)

So "Molly" and "Nancy" are said in the cafeteria :singer: but "Sue Ann" and "Cindy" never are. :(

Nope, but they are in TLC

Nope, but they are in TLC

eh..."too little, too late". :snob:

2 things I wonder about Lost Girl cameos in the cafeteria years:

1) Since Cindy and Sue Ann are nearly always seen buddy-buddying together like they're "buddies forever" or something ( ;) ), I wonder if, when the producers/writers were discussing episodes to show other girls in, if they ever said things like, "Let's get the Julie's from the first year" or "We'll put Felice and the Julies in".

2) Since the Julies' characters' names are NEVER used in the cafeteria years (but oddly/respectably they are still credited as their characters in the closing credits), I wonder if, when Felice was first contacted about doing "Gossip", she told her agent, "Okay, I'll come back for some recurring appearances, but ONLY if my character is the ONLY one from the first season who gets to have her name used! Sue Ann and Cindy got enough attention last year, I want this to be NANCY'S turn! :soapbox: "

;)

:lol:

As I've mentioned, Felice did describe the pre-appearance discussions as negotiations, but I doubt she demanded that she be the only one to be mentioned by name. I suspect, however, that her agent requested larger roles for her, and that, of course, would have resulted in a greater likelihood of being name-checked.

:lol:

As I've mentioned, Felice did describe the pre-appearance discussions as negotiations, but I doubt she demanded that she be the only one to be mentioned by name. I suspect, however, that her agent requested larger roles for her, and that, of course, would have resulted in a greater likelihood of being name-checked.

I wonder if her agent did it on her behalf, then? "Look, those blondes got all the attention last year, you let Felice be the front-runner now!" lol

What did Mrs. Garrett think when she saw her brunette phone-loving student caught out in a blizzard? Her "Felice" was white as snow!

:stooges:

I wonder if her agent did it on her behalf, then? "Look, those blondes got all the attention last year, you let Felice be the front-runner now!" lol

Could be!

I know that, at the time, Felice's mom was managing both Felice and Mindy. Might have been more like, "You want Mindy? Sure, you can have her. But you've gotta cough up some lines for Felice, too. No more of this "Didn't get into "The Group" stuff. Three episodes per season, and she gets a scene with one of the globes." :lol:

^---Ha! They knew how to make demands!

So, in this scene in "Who Am I?" in the 8th minute, what exactly are Jo and Blair doing? I've never been able to figure it out. At first I thought they might be doing something with nail polish or makeup, but that's totally not Jo (girly). But they wouldn't be doing something mechanical with small little bike parts, unless Blair was just so bored out of her skull she decided to find it interesting, lol. But now I think they're playing a game. But what game? I see dice, but it's tougher to make out much else...Retry, are you familiar with what game they're playing?

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They are playing Backgammon.

They are playing Backgammon.

Wow, good call! Thanks for solving that mystery!

It doesn't look like a backgammon board that I've seen before. I've never played it, but I've heard it's a pretty tough game.

Man, how can you tell?? This is the best view of it we get! lol

In the top photo, you can see the Backgammon case pretty clearly. It's one of the portable ones, with fasteners in the front, which hold the case closed when it's not in use, like this one:

https://www.maxiaids.com/Media/Thumbs/0011/0011619-deluxe-backgammon-set-tactile.jpg

In the top photo, you can see the Backgammon case pretty clearly. It's one of the portable ones, with fasteners in the front, which hold the case closed when it's not in use, like this one:

Ahhh, thanks...yeah, the kind of I've seen weren't quite like that.

Yeah, I've seen the flat kind, too. The ones sometimes printed on the back of a checkers/chess board.

Yeah, I've seen the flat kind, too. The ones sometimes printed on the back of a checkers/chess board.

Yup, that's the most common one I've seen.

Fun fact: backgammon can be traced back to very similar games played nearly 5,000 years ago, in Mesopotamia. Ancient Jo-aleh and Blantu could have played the game along the Tigris River.

Fun fact: backgammon can be traced back to very similar games played nearly 5,000 years ago, in Mesopotamia. Ancient Jo-aleh and Blantu could have played the game along the Tigris River.

Haha, nice...hope they never found anything in the Tigris River like what the Weavers found in Miller's Pond!

:jar:

A floating head in a jar of Windex? Let's hope not!

Haha, nice...hope they never found anything in the Tigris River like what the Weavers found in Miller's Pond!

:jar:

:brent

So I finished episode 24 and am starting to see why they decided to change Edna's Edibles considering EDNA wasn't in the last 6 episodes! It was a little contrived to just have the girls taking over her shop.

So I finished episode 24 and am starting to see why they decided to change Edna's Edibles considering EDNA wasn't in the last 6 episodes! It was a little contrived to just have the girls taking over her shop.

But they took over her new shop anyway! :lol: