It’s here (after the Carol Burnett promo)

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That's awesome! Thanks Opus!

And I totally agree with Lorimar: so cool to see the clip of Mrs. Garrett hugging Blair and Sue Ann! Sue Ann, who she hasn't hugged since the end of Season One, when she said their group would stay together! :lol:

Well don't despair yet, Lorsie. Christopher is saying that from his viewpoint, but you're not Christopher, you're Lorsie. So you might really enjoy season 9. :) Or maybe you won't. Or maybe you'll enjoy "some" of it. "Knowing" you here from the board, personally, I think you will enjoy some of the shows along the way.


But not the weird spin-offs. What were they thinking?!

But not the weird spin-offs. What were they thinking?!

How many of those are there?

How many of those are there?

The final season saw three backdoor pilot episodes: 9-22, 9-23, and 9-24. I'm fond of the Eastland episodes (minus Pippa), but the Soho episode is one of the worst train-wrecks ever. The Eastland episodes are worth having to watch Pippa, just for the exteriors of beautiful Eastland School.

The final season saw three backdoor pilot episodes: 9-22, 9-23, and 9-24. I'm fond of the Eastland episodes (minus Pippa), but the Soho episode is one of the worst train-wrecks ever. The Eastland episodes are worth having to watch Pippa, just for the exteriors of beautiful Eastland School.

Haha I have seen the finale

Yeah ik, this was done on an adult level as opposed to school gossip. Though saying Mrs G was an alcoholic could've gotten her in big trouble. That sucks to hear that is the only quality ep in 9.


With the rumor Tootie spread though it wasn't done with intent to harm. That's how I look at the differences between the two episodes. Gossip was done for Tootie to feel accepted by the other girls regardless of her age. Rumor Has It showed how malicious people can be regardless of the environment and no concern at all who they hurt. Katt's marriage was destroyed by the rumors and Blair almost quit law school. I love Jo's line when Blair tells her she's leaving, "Why? Do you have something to hide?" It's so easy to give into *******s like those people in Blair's class. I really like how the episode was done and it's a shame channels like N@N skipped it over how controversial it is.


Well don't despair yet, Lorsie. Christopher is saying that from his viewpoint, but you're not Christopher, you're Lorsie. So you might really enjoy season 9. :) Or maybe you won't. Or maybe you'll enjoy "some" of it. "Knowing" you here from the board, personally, I think you will enjoy some of the shows along the way. As has been said here on this board in several places, it takes all kinds of "Facts" fans to make a "Facts" fan base.


Yeah, I just didn't care for how the girls acted in this season. They weren't the girls from previous years. They were very self-centered and mean to Pippa always shutting her out instead of being her Mrs. Garrett. The episodes were not that good. The First Time is very overrated, Less Than Perfect stated Blair would have a scar and didn't, we all know how dumb Let's Face The Music was, and then Jo marrying a guy she hardly knows anything about. It was all over the place.


but the Soho episode is one of the worst train-wrecks ever.


If that would have been picked up, I would like to know from Mindy why she would do something so stupid like that over another season of The Facts of Life. Heck even season 9 episodes looked better than what that crap could have produced. None of the spin off attempts were worth the time of a backdoor pilot IMO. They just took time away from the girls in hopefully a story worth watching.

Sorry for not finding the FOL video sooner though. :(

Ok i just watched Pippa’s first episode. So Mrs. G signed up for an exchange student to live with them? When would that have been? She’s been gone over a year. I sort of see Pippa as a character similar to Kelly. Lying about who she is and her backstory and such. Even though the kitchen set is random and clashes with the kitchen we saw in season 6, I sort of see why they decided to add one. Most shows have a kitchen and FOL even spent three seasons focused in a cafeteria.

If that would have been picked up, I would like to know from Mindy why she would do something so stupid like that over another season of The Facts of Life. Heck even season 9 episodes looked better than what that crap could have produced. None of the spin off attempts were worth the time of a backdoor pilot IMO. They just took time away from the girls in hopefully a story worth watching.

With the exception of the final two-part spin-off episode with Eastland, I agree. I thought there was potential, there. The rest were quite bad. The Soho ep was painfully unfunny. The only time I laughed was at the end, when Tootie wanted her skates that Blair had apparently just sold at the yard sale. Even the laugh track had difficulty laughing in this episode. :lol:

Even the laugh track had difficulty laughing in this episode. :lol:
The audience had the hardest trouble laughing in LM,LD. ;)

The audience had the hardest trouble laughing in LM,LD. ;)

Haha true

The audience had the hardest trouble laughing in LM,LD. ;)

I'm pretty sure there must have been something wrong with the audio for that episode. It seems as though the audience mics weren't working well.

I'm pretty sure there must have been something wrong with the audio for that episode. It seems as though the audience mics weren't working well.

But when they do laugh (half-heartedly), you hear them. It seems as though the audience members weren't working well!

But when they do laugh (half-heartedly), you hear them. It seems as though the audience members weren't working well!

Well they did have to rewrite the script right? It WAS the first ep with the main cast and no DS cast

Well they did have to rewrite the script right? It WAS the first ep with the main cast and no DS cast

"No excuse, audience." DS only bookended RH, and the audience still laughed at appropriate places in the Cindy and Blair scenes. ;)

"No excuse, audience." DS only bookended RH, and the audience still laughed at appropriate places in the Cindy and Blair scenes. ;)

But it was a different audience Im sure. FOF podcast seems to think they shot every season 1 episode all the way through TWICE. Is that accurate?

But it was a different audience Im sure. FOF podcast seems to think they shot every season 1 episode all the way through TWICE. Is that accurate?

Yeah, that's common for TV shows (at least, back then) to tape twice in front of two different audiences, and mixing the best of both shows together to make one "air show" (some shows call the first taping the "dress rehearsal", and the second the "camera show"). I'm curious why the F-bomb guys brought that up though, lol.

So if this was the best that they could do for LM,LD, then that's really pitiful, lol.

And quit quoting me before I'm finished editing myself! :lol:

Yeah, that's common for TV shows (at least, back then) to tape twice in front of two different audiences, and mixing the best of both shows together to make one "air show" (some shows call the first taping the "dress rehearsal", and the second the "camera show"). I'm curious why the F-bomb guys brought that up though, lol.

So if this was the best that they could do for LM,LD, then that's really pitiful, lol.

And quit quoting me before I'm finished editing myself! :lol:

:D Sorry, I fixed it for you bud

But it was a different audience Im sure. FOF podcast seems to think they shot every season 1 episode all the way through TWICE. Is that accurate?

It is, but it's not. FOF Podcast folks didn't seem to understand that episodes are taped twice, and seemed to indicate instead that something was unusual about that, which is not the case.

One FOL documentary states that a single episode was re-shot. It's not clear which episode this was, it's not clear why it was re-shot, and it certainly wasn't every episode. They didn't get their "facts" of "Facts" right. :lol:

But when they do laugh (half-heartedly), you hear them. It seems as though the audience members weren't working well!
The parts where the studio audience laughed (and the mics actually picked it up) might have been from another taping.

At any rate, I prefer a half-asleep audience or non-functional studio audience mics over the cheesy laugh track of Season Nine.

At any rate, I prefer a half-asleep audience or non-functional studio audience mics over the cheesy laugh track of Season Nine.

I haven't watched season 9 in several years, but how do you know it's not a studio audience?

Mrs. Garrett is so cute being all muddledy-puddledy and going out of her wits in "Halloween"! :lol: And so amusing at "Wedgewood's", the male strip joint in "Dancin' as Fast as I Can"! :lol:

And wow, male exotic dancers actually from Chippendales, actually exotic dancing! lol I was surprised when watching that one this time thinking about this "safe family show" with all these nearly-naked guys dancing around and gyrating in a strip club, and all these women screaming and egging it on. Yikes! The censors let this pass?? :eek: :lol: I thought that would be VERY surprising for an 8:00 sitcom, but then I researched online and saw it aired at 9:00. Still though, I wonder if they got any letters complaining? Hmmmm...

Haha yeah that episode seemed risqué for the 80's.

Haha yeah that episode seemed risqué for the 80's.

Yeah, I never really thought about it until watching it last night!

Parents be expecting all: :)

And get all: :eek:

:lol:

I haven't watched season 9 in several years, but how do you know it's not a studio audience?

I watched the Soho episode the other night. It can't be a studio audience, in at least that episode. There's no place for a studio audience in the Soho set. At one point, they go out to the balcony, taping towards the balcony, into the living room; previously, you could see through the door out to the balcony. And yet, there is still "laughing" in the background, in a scene were there's no place to put a studio audience.

Watching other episodes from the Ninth Season has convinced me that wasn't the only episode that season with no studio audience. In addition, the producers even started using the FOL interstitial music on Silver Spoons... I guess to save money?

There's no place for a studio audience in the Soho set. At one point, they go out to the balcony, taping towards the balcony, into the living room; previously, you could see through the door out to the balcony. And yet, there is still "laughing" in the background, in a scene were there's no place to put a studio audience.
Well there has to be a 4th wall. :confused: I'm not following without a visual, since I haven't seen it in years.

Well there has to be a 4th wall. :confused: I'm not following without a visual, since I haven't seen it in years.

Well, when you get to that episode, you'll see.

There are too many "fourth walls" in that episode for there to be a studio audience.

Only 13 episodes in to the final season to get the first appearance of Over Our Heads

Only 13 episodes in to the final season to get the first appearance of Over Our Heads
First? Or final?

First? Or final?

Both is my guess

Funny how Jo says something to Kelly in "Small But Dangerous" like, "The last thing I wanna see in this store is you!"---I think exactly the same thing. ;)

They just made Kelly go way too far in that, and not even with a decent motive; she comes from a life of comfortable privilege. And she's angry at Jo, so she takes it out on Blair, and Mrs. Garrett's store? What the---:confused:

"The Second Time Around" sees Jo faking an injury to get her parents back together, while Blair, Natalie, and Tootie look on. Season 1's "Molly's Holiday" sees Molly faking an injury (well, illness) to get her parents back together, while Blair, Natalie, and Tootie look on. This is after they "borrowed" from MH for Jo's story about she and her dad in season 2's "The Secret". Jeez, no wonder Molly Ringwald thought they "replaced [her] with Nancy McKeon". ;)

It's a little cringing to see how overemotional Tootie isin "A Death in the Family". Yikes. At least it's character continuity I suppose though, with season 3's "Starstruck", lol.

Interestingly, the voice of the computer LC ("Human life forms approaching: Natalie, and 2-T", haha) isn't credited for "Dream Marriage". It sounds just like the computer voice in the children's 1980s Christian puppet series "The Sunshine Factory", which was provided by Becky Zimmerman.

Retro, I recommend you get season 5 sometime. It is refreshing to see this change in Mrs. Garrett's professional life, and it gives the show a new energy to see stories that can take place only now that Mrs. Garrett is an independent businesswoman: business competition, business inspection, business financial woes, running the business. It's so neat to see all this centered Garrett goodness. :) Plus, you'll have some Eastland references/ties, too (and even looks, in BNWI and II!).

Yes. Its too bad they don't focus much on the business after season 5.

Hahaha! In the closing credits for "Mother and Daughter" they credit Diane Ramsey as "Pauline Ramsey"! Maybe in Peekskill they spell "Diane", P-A-U-L-I-N-E! :rofl:

And hey! There was a(nother) perfect opportunity to bring on the Lost Girls! When Natalie's father dies, they could have made an appearance by going to Nat's house after the funeral and met the other girls there while giving their condolences!

And Blair mentioned winning Harvest Queen again, when they come up with the idea for the "Miss Edibles" contest for the parade! I believe this makes a streak of Blair mentioning her triple Harvest Queen win every season from seasons 1 through 5! And by this time, it was such a running joke that Mrs. Garrett and all the other girls joined Blair in reciting her record win as she said it! lol

Hey Lorsie, how about Mrs. Garrett taking off her apron and tying it around "that naked man statue!" when it got delivered there instead of at Geri's event? "Oh myyyyyyyy!...." :rofl:

Oh, and another explanation theory for "Geri Tyler"---"Tyler" could be her middle name! (that for some reason she chose to use as her stage name, dropping "Warner"---maybe she didn't like people assuming she was rich and hoity-toity, lol)

It’s very possible for Tyler to be her middle name. Mothers give their maiden names for middle names so maybe that was her mother’s maiden name. I don’t remember the naked statue I’m afraid.

I got to see Cindy and Molly and Sue Ann in "The Way We Were"! (and the back of Nancy's head :lol: )

I don’t remember the naked statue I’m afraid.
Remember when the delivery guys brought in all those big sprays of flowers, crowding the store? And the statue was that famous statue of David I believe, and he was, like, 7 feet tall and white? And Mrs. Garrett took off her apron and quickly tied it around his, um, "fig leaf-ed region"? :rofl:

It seems this was a dangerous time to be a character on "The Facts of Life":

"Let's see, Dr. Green, gone. Cousin Geri, gone. Eddie Brennan, gone. Who on the show can we get rid of next?"

Yikes! :eek: lol

Hahaha! In the closing credits for "Mother and Daughter" they credit Diane Ramsey as "Pauline Ramsey"! Maybe in Peekskill they spell "Diane", P-A-U-L-I-N-E! :rofl:

:lol: Good catch!


And hey! There was a(nother) perfect opportunity to bring on the Lost Girls! When Natalie's father dies, they could have made an appearance by going to Nat's house after the funeral and met the other girls there while giving their condolences!

That would have been so cool.


And Blair mentioned winning Harvest Queen again, when they come up with the idea for the "Miss Edibles" contest for the parade! I believe this makes a streak of Blair mentioning her triple Harvest Queen win every season from seasons 1 through 5! And by this time, it was such a running joke that Mrs. Garrett and all the other girls joined Blair in reciting her record win as she said it! lol

See? They can remember that Blair was Harvest Queen in every season, but they can't remember that there were four more girls on the show?! *shakes head*

I got to see Cindy and Molly and Sue Ann in "The Way We Were"! (and the back of Nancy's head :lol: )
:lol::lol::lol::confused:

Oh, speaking of characters getting written off the canvas, and Dr. Green, hey Lorsie, there was a really funny moment in his funeral episode when Tootie was all unsure of what to say in the line to pay condolences, and Jo took her under wing and advised her, "Just listen to what the guy in front of you says, and say what he says." Well, the guy in front of Tootie said to Natalie's mom, "I'm really going to miss my Wednesday golf games with Sy." Hahahaha! I loved that! :rofl:

:lol::lol::lol::confused:
lol, you see the other Lost Girls in their usual guises in the flashback clips, but with Nancy, the ONLY time we see her is in "Green-Eyed Monster". When Tootie's auditioning---we see the back of her head!

She might as well just be:

wallpaper! :lookaroun

Remember when the delivery guys brought in all those big sprays of flowers, crowding the store? And the statue was that famous statue of David I believe, and he was, like, 7 feet tall and white? And Mrs. Garrett took off her apron and quickly tied it around his, um, "fig leaf-ed region"? :rofl:

It seems this was a dangerous time to be a character on "The Facts of Life":

"Let's see, Dr. Green, gone. Cousin Geri, gone. Eddie Brennan, gone. Who on the show can we get rid of next?"

Yikes! :eek: lol

Ahhh I remember now

Oh, speaking of characters getting written off the canvas, and Dr. Green, hey Lorsie, there was a really funny moment in his funeral episode when Tootie was all unsure of what to say in the line to pay condolences, and Jo took her under wing and advised her, "Just listen to what the guy in front of you says, and say what he says." Well, the guy in front of Tootie said to Natalie's mom, "I'm really going to miss my Wednesday golf games with Sy." Hahahaha! I loved that! :rofl:

Lol yes I remember that

Lol yes I remember that
That was so funny! :lol: And the look on her face behind him as he said that, she was like a deer in headlights, lol. I mean, when Jo said her line I knew the guy was gonna say something Tootie couldn't say, but the Wednesday golf games thing was too funny! :lol:

lol, you see the other Lost Girls in their usual guises in the flashback clips, but with Nancy, the ONLY time we see her is in "Green-Eyed Monster". When Tootie's auditioning---we see the back of her head!

She might as well just be:

wallpaper! :lookaroun

Yep. I remember! :lol:

Also, in "The Way We Were", the season finale to season 5, Cindy got the most screen time out of all of the Lost Girls! :loveya:

Also, in "The Way We Were", the season finale to season 5, Cindy got the most screen time out of all of the Lost Girls! :loveya:

But does she get a mention by name like Sue Ann? :D

But does she get a mention by name like Sue Ann? :D
Haha, no...Sue Ann gets the name, and Cindy gets the screen, lol.

Alright, you two. Let's not turn this into a fight.

..Besides, neither Cindy nor Sue Ann had the fortune of having the backs of their heads featured in TWWW, unlike Nancy. :lol:

Alright, you two. Let's not turn this into a fight.

..Besides, neither Cindy nor Sue Ann had the fortune of having the backs of their heads featured in TWWW, unlike Felice. :lol:
:lol:

I watched The First Time. I thought it was a good Ep. Even better we finally see Nat and Tooties room. It’s a very nice set, I hope we see it again.

I watched The First Time. I thought it was a good Ep.
OMG! Our little Lorsie knows about---"S-E-X"! :eek: Oh wow, now you really know about the facts of life! :lol:


Even better we finally see Nat and Tooties room. It’s a very nice set, I hope we see it again.

Well, hope all ya want Lorsie, but that won't change things. :lookaroun

OMG! Our little Lorsie knows about---"S-E-X"! :eek: Oh wow, now you really know about the facts of life! :lol:




Well, hope all ya want Lorsie, but that won't change things. :lookaroun

Oh Eights... I saw Facts of Love, remember? :rolleyes:

That doesn’t sound very encouraging :(

Oh Eights... I saw Facts of Love, remember? :rolleyes:
Oh, that's right! You did get your education early! :grineyes: :lol:


That doesn’t sound very encouraging :(


I know, I'm sorry...but not getting to see that room anymore is just a...well..."fact of life"!

Oh, that's right! You did get your education early! :grineyes: :lol:





I know, I'm sorry...but not getting to see that room anymore is just a...well..."fact of life"!

A nice set for a four minute scene. What a waste.

A nice set for a four minute scene. What a waste.

mm-hmm. And losing girls you introduced in the first season. What a waste.

mm-hmm. And losing girls you introduced in the first season. What a waste.

Don't get me started :mad:

Boots says "goodbye" a few different ways when she leaves a scene. My favorite is one time in Edna's Edibles when she waves with both hands and goes, "Whoooosh!" :lol:

Boots says "goodbye" a few different ways when she leaves a scene. My favorite is one time in Edna's Edibles when she waves with both hands and goes, "Whoooosh!" :lol:

:lol:

Boots was a hoot. They should have kept her as a semi-regular. Even having her on once a season would have been worthwhile.

:yeahthat

I very much agree! She was such a delightful hoot!

Haha same here. Boots should’ve returned l.

Haha same here. Boots should’ve returned l.
Did you ever see Jami Gertz's 2000s sitcom "Still Standing"? It was so funny! :lol:

Did you ever see Jami Gertz's 2000s sitcom "Still Standing"? It was so funny! :lol:

Of course! I used to watch all the time

Hahahaha! Awesome! Such a fun show, and she was so great! I remember when she was all hot for the young strapping mailman and wanted to prove to her husband she could flirt with the younger mailman and he'd respond, and when she tried flirting with him, he mentioned how she reminded him of his mother, and she yelled, "GET OUT!!" hahahahahaha! :rofl:

Hahahaha! Awesome! Such a fun show, and she was so great! I remember when she was all hot for the young strapping mailman and wanted to prove to her husband she could flirt with the younger mailman and he'd respond, and when she tried flirting with him, he mentioned how she reminded him of his mother, and she yelled, "GET OUT!!" hahahahahaha! :rofl:

:lol: OMG!

I challenge anyone to watch "A Slice of Life" and not want pizza. :lol:

That scene where the girls are hiding out in the gas station singing along with "You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin' " on the radio with each other is priceless! Absolute character gold...

I wish we could have seen Nancy, Sue Ann, Cindy, and Molly go cruisin'!

And there have been 2 "Mr. Belvedere" appearances---Rob Stone, who played first-born Kevin, was Natalie's geeky date in one episode (he showed up in Edna's Edibles wearing earmuffs and having a cold), and Kevin's college girlfriend Casey showed up in the episode where Tootie wanted to have sex with Jeff to keep him, lol (she played his friend Rich's girl Ellen).

I always forget that "Chunk" from "The Goonies" played annoying Seymour in "Summer of '84"!

And I STILL can't fathom that Linda Marsh & Margie Peters are the ones who came up with that asinine idea of Jo knowing how to play the piano, and being able to play very well.

Oh, and in season 6, that 1979 lamp is still there! :)

And I STILL can't fathom that Linda Marsh & Margie Peters are the ones who came up with that asinine idea of Jo knowing how to play the piano, and being able to play very well.

It's totally out of character, and it never should have happened. But since they knew they would have Jo play the piano later in the season, why didn't they at least drop in references to Jo taking piano lessons in earlier episodes?

It's like they forgot how to write Jo, the character they wrote the most.


Oh, and in season 6, that 1979 lamp is still there! :)

The lamp updates are appreciated!

It's totally out of character, and it never should have happened. But since they knew they would have Jo play the piano later in the season, why didn't they at least drop in references to Jo taking piano lessons in earlier episodes?

It's like they forgot how to write Jo, the character they wrote the most.



The lamp updates are appreciated!

Haha yeah, the piano thing was strange.

Yes the lamp got more screen time than Nancy! :lol:

The lamp updates are appreciated!
Glad to be informative! :lol:

Yes the lamp got more screen time than Nancy! :lol:
Hahaha, it sure did! :rofl:
And guess what?---I have another update! (Retro, I didn't think there would really be any more! lol)

In season 6's "Taking a Chance on Love" Part 1, the lamp gets to move!! :eek: For close to 10 seconds!!

At about the 15:48 mark Blair seats her petite rump (lol) on the table the lamp is on, and the lampshade wiggles! Then, almost 10 seconds later Blair rises from the table, and her movement causes the lampshade to wiggle again!

I don't know that I ever would have noticed that were it not for this board! :rofl:

:crazy:

In "Taking a Chance on Love", Mrs. Garrett and the girls dress up for an Edna's Edibles event as Dutch girls?? :rofl: Can't believe I forgot that! :lol:

In "Taking a Chance on Love", Mrs. Garrett and the girls dress up for an Edna's Edibles event as Dutch girls?? :rofl: Can't believe I forgot that! :lol:

Haha I watched that a month ago and even I forgot that!

Haha I watched that a month ago and even I forgot that!
Haha!

(and make sure you don't miss my lamp post above! "Insider info"! :lol: )

Haha yeah, the piano thing was strange.

YUP. It's what happens when you try to shoehorn too many things into just four girls: pretty soon, you have girls who are into acting and cameras and African dresses and Jermaine Jackson and bowl cuts... or girls who are into journalism and feminism and Charlie Chaplin and computers and musicals and lightning bolt hats... or girls who are street punks who steal stuff and who also happen to be concert pianists. :lol:


Yes the lamp got more screen time than Nancy! :lol:
How appropriate, considering the producers had decided that halfway through Season One, Nancy would be walking furniture! :lol:

And guess what?---I have another update! (Retro, I didn't think there would really be any more! lol)

In season 6's "Taking a Chance on Love" Part 1, the lamp gets to move!! :eek: For close to 10 seconds!!

At about the 15:48 mark Blair seats her petite rump (lol) on the table the lamp is on, and the lampshade wiggles! Then, almost 10 seconds later Blair rises from the table, and her movement causes the lampshade to wiggle again!

I don't know that I ever would have noticed that were it not for this board! :rofl:

:crazy:

Bwahahaha! Nice observation, '80s!

I'm the same way. There's so many things we've discussed here that I never would have noticed otherwise. It's soooo good you guys are here!

Bwahahaha! Nice observation, '80s!

I'm the same way. There's so many things we've discussed here that I never would have noticed otherwise. It's soooo good you guys are here!

Right? We can always count on Eights!

Right? We can always count on Eights!
Of course! You can always count on numbers! :rofl: :groucho

And guess what, guys? The lamp moved again!! In "Smile", Tootie sits on the end table, and lamp wiggles its shade again! Oh wow, it got two interactive episodes! :lol:

Also: halfway through the season, Blair and Jo get HORRENDOUS haircuts! Blair Warner actually has a MULLET, and Jo has a helmet! (and I ain't talkin' 'bout no bike helmet none, neither!) How on Earth could Jo Ann Stafford Chaney possibly think those styles looked good???? :rofl:

The all-night radio show is fun, and I forgot we have a return appearance of a Langley student! Victor, who was the pig: that devoured Jo's pizzas in "A Slice of Life", lol. And how sweet seeing Tootie be there for Blair, and Blair appreciate her help; they sure have come a long way since the blackmail episode of "Emily Dickinson"! :lol:

And remember the woman who was the dorm warden in "Brave New World" who caught Jo in Blair's room and said they'd probably be expelled? (and then smiled and said, "Sleep well", LOL!) She showed up as an EE customer in "Me and Eleanor"!

And I noticed Mr. What's-His-Name from "Halloween", the old guy, showed up in the season 5 Christmas episode as a totally different character. :rolleyes:

Of course! You can always count on numbers! :rofl: :groucho

And guess what, guys? The lamp moved again!! In "Smile", Tootie sits on the end table, and lamp wiggles its shade again! Oh wow, it got two interactive episodes! :lol:

Also: halfway through the season, Blair and Jo get HORRENDOUS haircuts! Blair Warner actually has a MULLET, and Jo has a helmet! (and I ain't talkin' 'bout no bike helmet none, neither!) How on Earth could Jo Ann Stafford Chaney possibly think those styles looked good???? :rofl:

The all-night radio show is fun, and I forgot we have a return appearance of a Langley student! Victor, who was the pig: that devoured Jo's pizzas in "A Slice of Life", lol. And how sweet seeing Tootie be there for Blair, and Blair appreciate her help; they sure have come a long way since the blackmail episode of "Emily Dickinson"! :lol:

And remember the woman who was the dorm warden in "Brave New World" who caught Jo in Blair's room and said they'd probably be expelled? (and then smiled and said, "Sleep well", LOL!) She showed up as an EE customer in "Me and Eleanor"!

And I noticed Mr. What's-His-Name from "Halloween", the old guy, showed up in the season 5 Christmas episode as a totally different character. :rolleyes:
Sadly Jo has a mullet until late season 8.

Sadly Jo has a mullet until late season 8.
Well, see, at least that will fit Jo when she gets hers. But BLAIR WARNER?????? WITH A MULLET???????

She should be banned from all cocktail parties and country clubs on "the circuit" until she remedies that disaster! :lol:

But Lorsie, I know it only gets worse---when they come back on the plane in the season 7 premiere, it is HORRIBLE!! (again! lol)---what a curly poofy light socket mess!! :rofl:

And guess what, guys? The lamp moved again!! In "Smile", Tootie sits on the end table, and lamp wiggles its shade again! Oh wow, it got two interactive episodes! :lol:

That's so funny!


Also: halfway through the season, Blair and Jo get HORRENDOUS haircuts! Blair Warner actually has a MULLET, and Jo has a helmet! (and I ain't talkin' 'bout no bike helmet none, neither!) How on Earth could Jo Ann Stafford Chaney possibly think those styles looked good???? :rofl:

The mid-to-late '80s were a time of terrible, terrible hairdos and fashions. Great music, great TV shows... but horrible, horrible fashion. We can never forget this, '80s.

Exhibit A:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/20/11/44820AFF00000578-4902146-Awkward_Family_Photos_has_rounded_up_the_most_embarrassing_hairc-a-31_1505901896877.jpg

Exhibit B:

https://worldwideinterweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/80s-hairstyles-for-kids.jpg

Exhibit C:

https://www.thevintagenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Yearbook-1980s-8.jpg


And I noticed Mr. What's-His-Name from "Halloween", the old guy, showed up in the season 5 Christmas episode as a totally different character. :rolleyes:

Yeah, I always thought that was weird. Why do that?

That's so funny!



The mid-to-late '80s were a time of terrible, terrible hairdos and fashions. Great music, great TV shows... but horrible, horrible fashion. We can never forget this, '80s.

Exhibit A:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/20/11/44820AFF00000578-4902146-Awkward_Family_Photos_has_rounded_up_the_most_embarrassing_hairc-a-31_1505901896877.jpg

Exhibit B:

https://worldwideinterweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/80s-hairstyles-for-kids.jpg

Exhibit C:

https://www.thevintagenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Yearbook-1980s-8.jpg



Yeah, I always thought that was weird. Why do that?

:eek2: AHHH!!!! MY EYYYYYES!!!!!!!!!

:eek2: AHHH!!!! MY EYYYYYES!!!!!!!!!
Yes. This was the late 1980s, Lorimar.

Every girl in my junior high (well, there were only six of them) had some variation on this hairstyle, for a couple of years:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ca/be/dd/cabedd29dc46457690b8b0469a322dcc.jpg

Yes. This was the late 1980s, Lorimar.

Every girl in my junior high (well, there were only six of them) had some variation on this hairstyle, for a couple of years:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ca/be/dd/cabedd29dc46457690b8b0469a322dcc.jpg

LOL yes I watched 80's shows :lol:

Well Retro you forgot to include great movies along with music and TV, but, thankfully, not all fashion and hairdos in the '80s were horrible. But when they were horrible, boy, were they horrible! I remember recording "Working Girl" and watching it for the first time a few years ago, and about falling on the floor laughing over the women in Melanie Griffith's character's workplace---they all honestly had HORRENDOUS hair, and this was on purpose!!! :rofl:


Every girl in my junior high (well, there were only six of them)

What?? Where was your junior high, a one-room schoolhouse in the 1920s?? ;)

Well Retro you forgot to include great movies along with music and TV, but, thankfully, not all fashion and hairdos in the '80s were horrible. But when they were horrible, boy, were they horrible! I remember recording "Working Girl" and watching it for the first time a few years ago, and about falling on the floor laughing over the women in Melanie Griffith's character's workplace---they all honestly had HORRENDOUS hair, and this was on purpose!!! :rofl:




What?? Where was your junior high, a one-room schoolhouse in the 1920s?? ;)

:brent

Oh, and I forgot the closing credits of "Dear Apple" were on the computer's creen, in 1980s computer font! :cool:

Oh, and it was really funny when the computer asked Jo, "Who are you?" and when she said, "I'm Jo", he said "Pleased to meet you, sir." :rofl:

So I watched the spin off attempt before the finale. Yeah that was dumb, David Spade on FOL was interesting. Tootie's roller-skates reference was nice but why would she say she would be able to wear them? Her feet had to have grown in 8 years!

By the way---Lorsie, you may recall this from recently having seen it---in "The Way We Were", there's a montage segment of Mrs. Garrett's encouraging/comforting/helpful advice to each of her 4 girls in solo scenes.

Well, with Tootie she guides her through her "latent sexuality", with Natalie she helps her deal with the loss of her father, with Jo she comforts her after being nearly taken advantage of...but with Blair, she taunts her and manipulates her and goads her! Yes, for the "advice" scene with Blair, they show the scene from "Rough Housing" (while Cindy's right upstairs!) where Mrs. Garrett is judging Blair and making rotten assumptions about her! Now yes that is to prove a point, BUT, it is not an advice scene, and the whole point of this montage is advice! lol You mean to tell me they couldn't bother to find a scene in FIVE seasons where Mrs. Garrett gave Blair advice?? There were definitely Mrs. Garrett/Blair advice scenes! It's really bothersome that they didn't include one for Blair, and instead put one in that doesn't fit with the theme.

By the way---Lorsie, you may recall this from recently having seen it---in "The Way We Were", there's a montage segment of Mrs. Garrett's encouraging/comforting/helpful advice to each of her 4 girls in solo scenes.

Well, with Tootie she guides her through her "latent sexuality", with Natalie she helps her deal with the loss of her father, with Jo she comforts her after being nearly taken advantage of...but with Blair, she taunts her and manipulates her and goads her! Yes, for the "advice" scene with Blair, they show the scene from "Rough Housing" (while Cindy's right upstairs!) where Mrs. Garrett is judging Blair and making rotten assumptions about her! Now yes that is to prove a point, BUT, it is not an advice scene, and the whole point of this montage is advice! lol You mean to tell me they couldn't bother to find a scene in FIVE seasons where Mrs. Garrett gave Blair advice?? There were definitely Mrs. Garrett/Blair advice scenes! It's really bothersome that they didn't include one for Blair, and instead put one in that doesn't fit with the theme.

Haha I noticed! They end with Mrs G laughing at Blair saying shes a tease, couldn't show any reference to Cindy.

Well Retro you forgot to include great movies along with music and TV, but, thankfully, not all fashion and hairdos in the '80s were horrible. But when they were horrible, boy, were they horrible! I remember recording "Working Girl" and watching it for the first time a few years ago, and about falling on the floor laughing over the women in Melanie Griffith's character's workplace---they all honestly had HORRENDOUS hair, and this was on purpose!!! :rofl:

:lol: Yep!


What?? Where was your junior high, a one-room schoolhouse in the 1920s?? ;)

It was a small Catholic junior high in the Midwest. There were only 22 students: 6 girls and 16 boys. We had three classrooms, some offices, restrooms, a hallway with lockers, and a library. We had to cross a road to get to the cafeteria and the gym in the elementary school building.

Even with only three classrooms, we had more classrooms than Eastland! :lol:

By the way---Lorsie, you may recall this from recently having seen it---in "The Way We Were", there's a montage segment of Mrs. Garrett's encouraging/comforting/helpful advice to each of her 4 girls in solo scenes.

Well, with Tootie she guides her through her "latent sexuality", with Natalie she helps her deal with the loss of her father, with Jo she comforts her after being nearly taken advantage of...but with Blair, she taunts her and manipulates her and goads her! Yes, for the "advice" scene with Blair, they show the scene from "Rough Housing" (while Cindy's right upstairs!) where Mrs. Garrett is judging Blair and making rotten assumptions about her! Now yes that is to prove a point, BUT, it is not an advice scene, and the whole point of this montage is advice! lol You mean to tell me they couldn't bother to find a scene in FIVE seasons where Mrs. Garrett gave Blair advice?? There were definitely Mrs. Garrett/Blair advice scenes! It's really bothersome that they didn't include one for Blair, and instead put one in that doesn't fit with the theme.

As Lorimar points out, if they had kept the rest of the scene, they would have had to mention Cindy, and I suspect they wanted to keep her Lost.

Of course, maybe they just should have used another scene...

:lol: Yep!



It was a small Catholic junior high in the Midwest. There were only 22 students: 6 girls and 16 boys. We had three classrooms, some offices, restrooms, a hallway with lockers, and a library. We had to cross a road to get to the cafeteria and the gym in the elementary school building.

Even with only three classrooms, we had more classrooms than Eastland! :lol:

:lol:

As Lorimar points out, if they had kept the rest of the scene, they would have had to mention Cindy, and I suspect they wanted to keep her Lost.
But including Cindy is not where my post was going at all! :lol:

I can't believe they didn't show Mrs. Garrett giving BLAIR advice, too. She deserved to be included with the theme! This was not a scene of classic Mrs. Garrett advice. A good choice for Mrs. Garrett actually giving Blair advice would have been "The New Girl Part 1", or "Cousin Geri", or "Different Drummer", or even the abhorred "Best Sister", lol. Anything but that RH scene!

But even if they kept that RH scene, they should have continued it on to see what the heck the point of her doing that to Blair was in the first place, lol.

But including Cindy is not where my post was going at all! :lol:

I can't believe they didn't show Mrs. Garrett giving BLAIR advice, too. She deserved to be included with the theme! This was not a scene of classic Mrs. Garrett advice. A good choice for Mrs. Garrett actually giving Blair advice would have been "The New Girl Part 1", or "Cousin Geri", or "Different Drummer", or even the abhorred "Best Sister", lol. Anything but that RH scene!

But even if they kept that RH scene, they should have continued it on to see what the heck the point of her doing that to Blair was in the first place, lol.

Yes, I understand!

But if they kept the rest of the scene, they would have had to leave the parts in about Cindy, so they cut them. Which makes the scene worthless as a "Mrs. Garrett gives advice" scene.

Yes,

A) Which shouldn't have mattered, because the audience would get the gist anyway, whether they were season 1 viewers or not

and

B) Yes, EXACTLY, that's the point I was making :nod:

"Working It Out"

Blair acts downright NASTY to Mrs. Garrett (she spirals down after breaking up with Cliff).

I LOVE this episode---not because I love NB ("Nasty Blair"), but because the chemistry among all 5 characters is superb. And I'd bet you Lisa had an absolute BALL playing "NASTY Blair". WOW.

"Working It Out"

Blair acts downright NASTY to Mrs. Garrett (she spirals down after breaking up with Cliff).

I LOVE this episode---not because I love NB ("Nasty Blair"), but because the chemistry among all 5 characters is superb. And I'd bet you Lisa had an absolute BALL playing "NASTY Blair". WOW.
Haha yeah Girls School Blair reared her head a bit.

Haha yeah Girls School Blair reared her head a bit.
Hahaha! True! In WIO, Blair really could have played both nasty stepsisters! :lol:

Hahaha! True! In WIO, Blair really could have played both nasty stepsisters! :lol:
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Hahaha! True! In WIO, Blair really could have played both nasty stepsisters! :lol:

Haha Nancy with the zingers.

Haha Nancy with the zingers.
"Get 'er, Nance!" :lol:

Quickly! Before they paint you into the wallpaper! :eek:

"Get 'er, Nance!" :lol:

Quickly! Before they paint you into the wallpaper! :eek:

:crazy:

I'm actually SKIPPING some season 6 episodes:


"The Rich Aren't Different"
"Christmas in the Big House"

and the absolute ABOMINABLE snore-fest:


"Jazzbeau"

I'm actually SKIPPING some season 6 episodes:


"The Rich Aren't Different"
"Christmas in the Big House"

and the absolute ABOMINABLE snore-fest:


"Jazzbeau"


Agreed about Jazzbeau. Though The Rich Aren't Different wasn't that bad

Agreed about Jazzbeau. Though The Rich Aren't Different wasn't that bad

Neither is Xmas, but I wasn't "feeling" Xmas, lol, and I just don't care for how insensitive Jo is in TRGR. Maybe season 2 or 3 or even 4 Jo, sure, but not season 6 Jo.

Neither is Xmas, but I wasn't "feeling" Xmas, lol, and I just don't care for how insensitive Jo is in TRGR. Maybe season 2 or 3 or even 4 Jo, sure, but not season 6 Jo.

Good point

Well I finished the series! The finale was definitely good, but I can’t help but wish Tootie, Nat, and Jo was in it more. Nat isn’t even in the final scene, she just calls for a min and then Tootie hangs up on her. I thought she would call back Atleast!

Wow Lorsie, congratulations! :woohoo:

But:

The finale was definitely good
No "Facts" fan has ever said that before!! :rofl:

So tonight I finally went and saw "Mary Poppins Returns" with a friend. And you know what I thought about during the movie?

This board. :lol:

How wonderful would it be if the Julies, Molly, and Felice united together for a major motion picture release: "The Lost Girls Return" ! :loveya:

Wow Lorsie, congratulations! :woohoo:

But:


No "Facts" fan has ever said that before!! :rofl:

Pretty sure retro has.... :confused:

So tonight I finally went and saw "Mary Poppins Returns" with a friend. And you know what I thought about during the movie?

This board. :lol:

How wonderful would it be if the Julies, Molly, and Felice united together for a major motion picture release: "The Lost Girls Return" ! :loveya:

:rofl: Glad we're in your thoughts, eights

Pretty sure retro has.... :confused:

The weird spin-off attempt parts aside, I enjoy the rest of the episodes. It was great seeing Eastland again.

The Soho crap can go to hell.

So tonight I finally went and saw "Mary Poppins Returns" with a friend. And you know what I thought about during the movie?

This board. :lol:

How wonderful would it be if the Julies, Molly, and Felice united together for a major motion picture release: "The Lost Girls Return" ! :loveya:

I would see the Julies, Felice, and Molly in anything.

Well I finished the series! The finale was definitely good, but I can’t help but wish Tootie, Nat, and Jo was in it more. Nat isn’t even in the final scene, she just calls for a min and then Tootie hangs up on her. I thought she would call back Atleast!

Yeah, by the end of the season, Mindy was really phoning it in! :lol:

Agreed about Jazzbeau. Though The Rich Aren't Different wasn't that bad

Jazzbeau was terrible. And I wanted to smack Jo in TRAD.

Yeah, by the end of the season, Mindy was really phoning it in! :lol:

:drummer: Badum chhh

The weird spin-off attempt parts aside, I enjoy the rest of the episodes. It was great seeing Eastland again.
But you don't see Eastland "again". You see a ret-conned Eastland. :(

The Soho crap can go to hell.
lol, I think it's neat seeing Natalie break away and what life for her could be like, if she chose that route. I'm not saying that's a good episode or not a good episode, but I appreciate its uniqueness.

:drummer: Badum chhh
:rofl:

But you don't see Eastland "again". You see a ret-conned Eastland. :(

Its the closest to a dorm set we've seen since season 1

Its the closest to a dorm set we've seen since season 1
From what I recall it doesn't even look like a dorm, but more like a hotel lobby, lol.


( :so trivia time: Katherine Helmond was so beloved as Mona on "Who's the Boss?" that producers set up a spin-off for her at the end of WTB season 3, where she went to NY to run a hotel with her brother Cornelius which he purchased. The back-door pilot aired, but the series wasn't picked up, and Katherine---thankfully---stayed on as Mona for the rest of WTB's run)

From what I recall it doesn't even look like a dorm, but more like a hotel lobby, lol.


( :so trivia time: Katherine Helmond was so beloved as Mona on "Who's the Boss?" that producers set up a spin-off for her at the end of WTB season 3, where she went to NY to run a hotel with her brother Cornelius which he purchased. The back-door pilot aired, but the series wasn't picked up, and Katherine---thankfully---stayed on as Mona for the rest of WTB's run)

Well maybe a bit lobbyish :lol:

But you don't see Eastland "again". You see a ret-conned Eastland. :(

No, we do actually see the original Eastland exterior again.


lol, I think it's neat seeing Natalie break away and what life for her could be like, if she chose that route. I'm not saying that's a good episode or not a good episode, but I appreciate its uniqueness.

Nothing wrong with Natalie leaving the nest. Just not in that horrible script.

:drummer: Badum chhh
Bwahahahaha! :lol:

No, we do actually see the original Eastland exterior again.
Eh. Not enough, lol.

Eh. Not enough, lol.
Well, they probably shouldn't have paused on the exterior of the building for ten minutes! :lol:

I really really like the story of the girls thinking Blair's mom and Charlie's dad are falling for each other and will marry, but it's just a shame this wasn't an episode during season 3. The emotional impact on Blair and Jo finding themselves on the road to being unwilling sisters, while watching their parents allegedly fall in love, would have been much stronger and more "world-rocking" if it had happened while the girls were more immature and still sharper thorns in each other's sides than in season 6, where they have been maturing and Jo has become much more mellow.

I really really like the story of the girls thinking Blair's mom and Charlie's dad are falling for each other and will marry, but it's just a shame this wasn't an episode during season 3. The emotional impact on Blair and Jo finding themselves on the road to being unwilling sisters, while watching their parents allegedly fall in love, would have been much stronger and more "world-rocking" if it had happened while the girls were more immature and still sharper thorns in each other's sides than in season 6, where they have been maturing and Jo has become much more mellow.

Yes it would’ve been more interesting in the Eastland years for sure

Yes it would’ve been more interesting in the Eastland years for sure

I totally agree with both of you guys. Think of the explosions they could have had! :lol:

Now, here's another thought, since we're already changing plotlines to some extent:

What if.... what if Natalie's father had an affair, and it turned out it was... Tootie's mom!? Now THAT would have been some episode!

I totally agree with both of you guys. Think of the explosions they could have had! :lol:

Now, here's another thought, since we're already changing plotlines to some extent:

What if.... what if Natalie's father had an affair, and it turned out it was... Tootie's mom!? Now THAT would have been some episode!
:eek: Edgy stuff there Retro. Wonder what Buffalo Ramsey woulda thought? Probably blamed it on Mrs G.

Wonder what Buffalo Ramsey woulda thought? Probably blamed it on Mrs G.
:rofl:So true!

Wonder what Buffalo Ramsey woulda thought? Probably blamed it on Mrs G.
Ahhhhhh,hahahahaha! :rofl:

Mr. Ramsey is about the only parent I react to negatively, but at the end at least he comes around. :)

But yeah, based on his wanting to pull Tootie away from Mrs. Garrett, when Mrs. Garrett says in TNGPII "I spoke to your mother. I spoke to aallllll your mothers and fathers," I automatically think of Mr. Ramsey first. Because he was so anti-Edna just half a year earlier (fictional school-year wise, thereabouts), I'm always kind of amazed he agreed to---after hearing his daughter was involved in STEALING A VAN and going inside a BAR and getting ARRESTED---have her anywhere NEAR that poofy-haired housemother! I kind of think his reaction would be, "That's IT, you are OUT of Eastland, NOW!" and yank her away from Mrs. G for good, but he doesn't---instead, he lets her LIVE with Mrs. G! I guess when Diane finally got him calmed down and got him to sit and talk (after going on a tirade for 5 minutes), that he realized (whether on his own, or from Diane) that really the best thing was to agree to Mr. Harris's conditions: Tootie would be ripped away from her cozy care-free dorm, forced to live over the kitchen in isolation with her "partners in crime" and forced to WORK in the kitchen and cafeteria to pay off her debt, thereby learning responsibility intensely at an early age, and assured by the headmaster that Mrs. Garrett has sworn to him to keep an eye on her and her delinquent friends.

Then again, he saw what the others saw in Mrs. Garrett at the end of "Overachieving", so maybe it wasn't such a stretch for him to agree to Mr. Harris's conditions in regards to her living under Mrs. Garretty's eye.

Then AFTER a few years when she was been on good behavior and been nothing but a solid help to Mrs. Garrett and Eastland, then I could see him agreeing to letting Tootie move off campus to live with Mrs. Garrett and help her run her store with her friends she's been living/working with for a few years now.

Okay, unseen-essay-on-Mr.-Harrison-"Rifle"-"Buffalo"-Ramsey finished. :typing: :lol:

I'd love to see an episode called "Come Back to the Truck Stop Once Again, Once Again, Natalie Green, Natalie Green" where Natalie writes about the Lost Girls!

Just imagine the possibilities of out-of-character roles they could play...Cindy a grand duchess, Sue Ann a super sleuth, Molly a shy homemaker, and Nancy a personality! ;) Okay, Nancy a punk rocker, lol.

What fun an episode like that would be!

Oh, and I loved Mr. Warner's visit in "It's Lonely at the Top"---it was so nice to see he and Blair father/daughter bonding, and him wanting to help her and coach her in running Edna's Edibles. :)

And wow Lorsie, you were right---Edna's Edibles wasn't featured much at all in season 6! They totally "Nancied" it!

Oh! Dina Becker got another mention!! I forgot to mention this when it happened in my binging, but you know Dina Becker from "New York, New York", who gnashes her teeth when "the help" Hildy is late for making lunch for her friends?

Well, in---I think it's called "Help From Home"---the episode where Blair and Jo find out in the cafeteria (ahhh, the cafeteria...dear cafeteria, o, how I miss thee! [sigh]...) that they're accepted to Langley, when Natalie's interviewing Blair with her hand-held tape recorder and microphone, Blair says something about Dina Becker tried to get into Langley too, and she leans into the mic and over-emphatically says, "AND THEY WOULDN'T HAVE HER", ouch! haha, no lost love between those two after NY,NY!

Oh! Dina Becker got another mention!! I forgot to mention this when it happened in my binging, but you know Dina Becker from "New York, New York", who gnashes her teeth when "the help" Hildy is late for making lunch for her friends?

Well, in---I think it's called "Help From Home"---the episode where Blair and Jo find out in the cafeteria (ahhh, the cafeteria...dear cafeteria, o, how I miss thee! [sigh]...) that they're accepted to Langley, when Natalie's interviewing Blair with her hand-held tape recorder and microphone, Blair says something about Dina Becker tried to get into Langley too, and she leans into the mic and over-emphatically says, "AND THEY WOULDN'T HAVE HER", ouch! haha, no lost love between those two after NY,NY!

Yep! It's another nice moment of continuity! (I watched this episode last month).

And wow Lorsie, you were right---Edna's Edibles wasn't featured much at all in season 6! They totally "Nancied" it!

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

And wow Lorsie, you were right---Edna's Edibles wasn't featured much at all in season 6! They totally "Nancied" it!

Right? Nancy was also Nancied in all of season 6 but that was obvious. ;)

Oh, and what's with this Eastland graduate "Anne" in "Bus Stop"?? She's a fellow graduating student of Natalie's at Nat's graduation party in Edna's Edibles. They should have brought back Cindy! Or at least mentioned her.

Oh, and what's with this Eastland graduate "Anne" in "Bus Stop"?? She's a fellow graduating student of Natalie's at Nat's graduation party in Edna's Edibles. They should have brought back Cindy!

Cindy! Cindy! Cindy! CINDY! CINDY! CINDY! CINDYCINDYCINDY! :lol:

(In other words, I agree)

Oh, and what's with this Eastland graduate "Anne" in "Bus Stop"?? She's a fellow graduating student of Natalie's at Nat's graduation party in Edna's Edibles. They should have brought back Cindy! Or at least mentioned her.

Yeah such a lost (:lol:) opportunity

Cindy! Cindy! Cindy! CINDY! CINDY! CINDY! CINDYCINDYCINDY! :lol:

(In other words, I agree)
Hahaha!

Producer: "Alright, Cindy it is!"

Audience: "YAAAAYYYYY!!!! party: " LOL

(by the way, don't miss my spontaneous Mr. Ramsey "essay" at the bottom of the previous page---that was a lot of typing :lol: )

Yeah such a lost (:lol:) opportunity
:drummer: ba-dum, chhhh!

Ahhhhhh,hahahahaha! :rofl:

Mr. Ramsey is about the only parent I react to negatively, but at the end at least he comes around. :)

But yeah, based on his wanting to pull Tootie away from Mrs. Garrett, when Mrs. Garrett says in TNGPII "I spoke to your mother. I spoke to aallllll your mothers and fathers," I automatically think of Mr. Ramsey first. Because he was so anti-Edna just half a year earlier (fictional school-year wise, thereabouts), I'm always kind of amazed he agreed to---after hearing his daughter was involved in STEALING A VAN and going inside a BAR and getting ARRESTED---have her anywhere NEAR that poofy-haired housemother! I kind of think his reaction would be, "That's IT, you are OUT of Eastland, NOW!" and yank her away from Mrs. G for good, but he doesn't---instead, he lets her LIVE with Mrs. G! I guess when Diane finally got him calmed down and got him to sit and talk (after going on a tirade for 5 minutes), that he realized (whether on his own, or from Diane) that really the best thing was to agree to Mr. Harris's conditions: Tootie would be ripped away from her cozy care-free dorm, forced to live over the kitchen in isolation with her "partners in crime" and forced to WORK in the kitchen and cafeteria to pay off her debt, thereby learning responsibility intensely at an early age, and assured by the headmaster that Mrs. Garrett has sworn to him to keep an eye on her and her delinquent friends.

Then again, he saw what the others saw in Mrs. Garrett at the end of "Overachieving", so maybe it wasn't such a stretch for him to agree to Mr. Harris's conditions in regards to her living under Mrs. Garretty's eye.

Then AFTER a few years when she was been on good behavior and been nothing but a solid help to Mrs. Garrett and Eastland, then I could see him agreeing to letting Tootie move off campus to live with Mrs. Garrett and help her run her store with her friends she's been living/working with for a few years now.

Okay, unseen-essay-on-Mr.-Harrison-"Rifle"-"Buffalo"-Ramsey finished. :typing: :lol:
Omg I did miss this! Thanks for alerting it to us! My guess is that Mrs G only talked to Diane. She probably told her husband..... eventually...

I'd love to see an episode called "Come Back to the Truck Stop Once Again, Once Again, Natalie Green, Natalie Green" where Natalie writes about the Lost Girls!

Just imagine the possibilities of out-of-character roles they could play...Cindy a grand duchess, Sue Ann a super sleuth, Molly a shy homemaker, and Nancy a personality! ;) Okay, Nancy a punk rocker, lol.

What fun an episode like that would be!

I never heard the term ‘sleuth’ before. A detective? And lol at Nancy being reverse Nancied. Maybe that would be a girl uninterested in boys and the phone. :crazy::lol:

Omg I did miss this! Thanks for alerting it to us!

Ahh, the perils of being the last post on a page! :lol:


My guess is that Mrs G only talked to Diane. She probably told her husband..... eventually...

Hahaha! Hmmm, well, Mrs. Garrett HATES to lie. So I think she was sincere when she said, "I spoke to your mother. I spoke to aallllll your mothers and fathers." So in my mind she spoke to all 8 of them. Perhaps once she informed some of them, they were so enraged (i.e., Mr. Ramsey, lol) that they told her they'd get back to her...then they would discuss it with their spouses (except Monica and David and Rose and Charlie, since they were divorced), and call Mrs. Garrett back at the police station to let Mrs. Garrett know their verdict. Perhaps that's why it partially took 45 minutes for her to get the girls "sprung"! lol

I never heard the term ‘sleuth’ before. A detective?

You haven't? Yeah, a "sleuth" is a detective! :)

You haven't? Yeah, a "sleuth" is a detective! :)

Nope! The public school system failed me (though I did go to a private high school)

Nope! The public school system failed me
:rofl:

Well I'm a big fan of 2 super sleuths from TV! Sherlock Hemlock from "Sesame Street", and Frankie Frame from "Another World"! :lol: :D


(though I did go to a private high school)
You went to Bates?? WOW!! :eek:

:rofl:

Well I'm a big fan of 2 super sleuths from TV! Sherlock Hemlock from "Sesame Street", and Frankie Frame from "Another World"! :lol: :D



You went to Bates?? WOW!! :eek:

:lol:

But yeah, based on his wanting to pull Tootie away from Mrs. Garrett, when Mrs. Garrett says in TNGPII "I spoke to your mother. I spoke to aallllll your mothers and fathers," I automatically think of Mr. Ramsey first. Because he was so anti-Edna just half a year earlier (fictional school-year wise, thereabouts), I'm always kind of amazed he agreed to---after hearing his daughter was involved in STEALING A VAN and going inside a BAR and getting ARRESTED---have her anywhere NEAR that poofy-haired housemother! I kind of think his reaction would be, "That's IT, you are OUT of Eastland, NOW!" and yank her away from Mrs. G for good, but he doesn't---instead, he lets her LIVE with Mrs. G! I guess when Diane finally got him calmed down and got him to sit and talk (after going on a tirade for 5 minutes), that he realized (whether on his own, or from Diane) that really the best thing was to agree to Mr. Harris's conditions: Tootie would be ripped away from her cozy care-free dorm, forced to live over the kitchen in isolation with her "partners in crime" and forced to WORK in the kitchen and cafeteria to pay off her debt, thereby learning responsibility intensely at an early age, and assured by the headmaster that Mrs. Garrett has sworn to him to keep an eye on her and her delinquent friends.

Then again, he saw what the others saw in Mrs. Garrett at the end of "Overachieving", so maybe it wasn't such a stretch for him to agree to Mr. Harris's conditions in regards to her living under Mrs. Garretty's eye.

Yeah, considering his feelings about Mrs. Garrett a year earlier, it does seem strange that he would agree to Eastland's terms, and no yank Tootie out of school. Then again, Diane could have reasoned with him. She's clearly a forceful person when she wants to be.


Then AFTER a few years when she was been on good behavior and been nothing but a solid help to Mrs. Garrett and Eastland, then I could see him agreeing to letting Tootie move off campus to live with Mrs. Garrett and help her run her store with her friends she's been living/working with for a few years now.

I can't. I always felt that was horribly contrived.

Then again, Diane could have reasoned with him. She's clearly a forceful person when she wants to be.
And very persuasive and clear---she's a great lawyer!


I can't. I always felt that was horribly contrived.

Hey, did you want more "Facts" or not?? :lol:

Mrs. Garrett would love them to move in and help her, and the girls desperately wanted to, but the real technicality here is the headmaster being okay with it---right after Edna told him to "KISS OFF!!" and left him without a dietician! It's awfully hard to picture Mr. Parker saying "okay" to it so soon after Edna's exodus.

Hey, did you want more "Facts" or not?? :lol:

I am not saying I didn't want the show to continue, just that how they got Mrs. G and all four girls living under one roof again felt terribly contrived.


Mrs. Garrett would love them to move in and help her, and the girls desperately wanted to, but the real technicality here is the headmaster being okay with it---right after Edna told him to "KISS OFF!!" and left him without a dietician! It's awfully hard to picture Mr. Parker saying "okay" to it so soon after Edna's exodus.

Good point about "kiss off!"

But I've always had a problem with the parents of these girls sending them to a prestigious boarding school, controlling what classes they took, who they hung out with, and when they would come home for visits... and then suddenly just being okay with their precious daughters going to live and work in a bakery.

I'm speaking, of course, of Tootie and Natalie. Jo and Blair had graduated by then, and were adults. But at the start of Season Five, Tootie couldn't have been more than 16 (and Kim was about 14).

I am not saying I didn't want the show to continue, just that how they got Mrs. G and all four girls living under one roof again felt terribly contrived.
Well they did good pretty good with Jo's reasoning, and they get props for making Blair not move in with the others (at least for one episode :lol: ).


going to live and work in a bakery.
Hey, hey! That's a gourmet food shop to you, Mister! :lol:

Hey, hey! That's a gourmet food shop to you, Mister! :lol:

:lol:

Has anybody ever noticed how Over Our Heads is, like, sooooooooooo totally dated now?? lol...that's a rhetorical question as of course it is, but gah, it just SCREAMS "1980s TIME CAPSULE!!!!!"

And not that that has to be a bad thing, but the idea of the shop is so lame. A catch-anything of "hot trends" items?? It's soooooooooooo contrived how they create the store, too---it's so contrived that it bothers me: Natalie and Tootie made a field trip to NYC and came back with "what's hot" and selling? What the heck???? They couldn't even decide on a type of store, but just a store that sells "all kinds of 'hot' stuff and homemade cookies". How could anyone think this was a good idea?? :confused:

There was another "Sesame Street" reference! This time in season 7, in the store, when Jo is remarking on how easily amused Tootie is:

Jo: "You think Big Bird's hilarious!"

Tootie: "He's a funny bird!"

LOL! Way to go Toot, stand up for the Bird! :lol: :clap:

Has anybody ever noticed how Over Our Heads is, like, sooooooooooo totally dated now?? lol...that's a rhetorical question as of course it is, but gah, it just SCREAMS "1980s TIME CAPSULE!!!!!"

Yes.

But it's not just the store: it's also the girls' fashions and hair, which kept getting more and more '80s as the decade moved along. The shoulder pads, the huge frizzed-out hair... It's like the show dated backwards. FOL is the Benjamin Button of TV shows! :lol:


And not that that has to be a bad thing, but the idea of the shop is so lame. A catch-anything of "hot trends" items?? It's soooooooooooo contrived how they create the store, too---it's so contrived that it bothers me: Natalie and Tootie made a field trip to NYC and came back with "what's hot" and selling? What the heck???? They couldn't even decide on a type of store, but just a store that sells "all kinds of 'hot' stuff and homemade cookies". How could anyone think this was a good idea?? :confused:

Well, at least the shop only lasted two years. That part was realistic. :lol:

Yes.

But it's not just the store: it's also the girls' fashions and hair, which kept getting more and more '80s as the decade moved along. The shoulder pads, the huge frizzed-out hair... It's like the show dated backwards. FOL is the Benjamin Button of TV shows! :lol:
Well that part I do like, because I do love seeing characters from the '80s in genuine '80s styles. :cheer:


Well, at least the shop only lasted two years. That part was realistic. :lol:
Hahaha, true! :lol:

And, to give them credit, they did have Mrs. Garrett deciding to close the store on the same day they had their grand opening! :lol: (too bad the girls talked her out of it! lol)

Yes.

But it's not just the store: it's also the girls' fashions and hair, which kept getting more and more '80s as the decade moved along. The shoulder pads, the huge frizzed-out hair... It's like the show dated backwards. FOL is the Benjamin Button of TV shows! :lol:



Well, at least the shop only lasted two years. That part was realistic. :lol:

Haha yeah the girls were pretty normal looking til about season 6, that’s when the trends started to hit.

Technically 2 and a half years. :lol:

Haha yeah the girls were pretty normal looking til about season 6, that’s when the trends started to hit.
At least Jo's TERRIBLE helmet hair and Blair's HORRENDOUS okapi 'do ("Business in Front / Party in Back", hahaha!) at the start of season 6 were GONE halfway through the season---maybe even in 1984 they got enough "hair hate mail"! :schmack: :lol:


Technically 2 and a half years. :lol:
:lol:

Haha yeah the girls were pretty normal looking til about season 6, that’s when the trends started to hit.

Yeah, and I'll never understand the decision to make things "trendy". Trendy never dates well because what was trendy in one decade looks old-fashioned in another. This is why the Eastland uniforms have dated better than the hair and clothes in the later seasons: the uniforms were never trendy.


Technically 2 and a half years. :lol:

True: 2 years, 3 months, and 20 days, to be exact (September 28, 1985 - January 16th, 1988).

Also what really bothers me, the name: "Over Our Heads". It just doesn't fit. Maybe it fit the hours before they had their grand opening, but they needed a name that really defined the store always. Like how "Edna's Edibles" was edibles made by Edna.

Also what really bothers me, the name: "Over Our Heads". It just doesn't fit. Maybe it fit the hours before they had their grand opening, but they needed a name that really defined the store always. Like how "Edna's Edibles" was edibles made by Edna.

Edna's Kitchy '80s Crap Shop just doesn't have a very nice ring to it, despite being the truth.

Edna's Kitchy '80s Crap Shop just doesn't have a very nice ring to it, despite being the truth.

:lol: or Blair Warner Presents Blair’s Thrift shop: a subsidiary of Warner enterprise

I vote for "Stuff that Nobody in Peekskill Wants or Needs - and More"

I'm late to the conversation on this one, but ya know, it wouldn't have been the end of Peekskill if they had made Jo rich. Would we want that? No. But, she would not have been "another Blair". She would have most likely still retained her "Jo-ness", i.e., been very humble with her $, barely spending any, still shopping at thrift shops, which would drive Blair absolutely crazy (and Natalie and Tootie too, lol). Aaaaaaaaaand, Jo could bless her mother by giving Rose the relaxing life she FINALLY needs. That would have been the best pay-off if they had written Jo as rich in "Big Time Charlie".

I'm late to the conversation on this one, but ya know, it wouldn't have been the end of Peekskill if they had made Jo rich. Would we want that? No. But, she would not have been "another Blair". She would have most likely still retained her "Jo-ness", i.e., been very humble with her $, barely spending any, still shopping at thrift shops, which would drive Blair absolutely crazy (and Natalie and Tootie too, lol). Aaaaaaaaaand, Jo could bless her mother by giving Rose the relaxing life she FINALLY needs. That would have been the best pay-off if they had written Jo as rich in "Big Time Charlie".

I absolutely agree. Jo going from rags to riches is totally different from born rich Blair

Blair: "Think of the pomp."

Jo: "Think of the circumstance."

Blair: "Think of them both happening together at the same time."

:rofl:

Wow! Bjorn Borg was mentioned twice on FOL!

First by Cindy in 1980, and then by Jo in 1986!

:lol: or Blair Warner Presents Blair’s Thrift shop: a subsidiary of Warner enterprise
The Warners don't know the meaning of the word "thrift"... replace that word with "tacky gift", and you have yourself a deal! :lol:

I vote for "Stuff that Nobody in Peekskill Wants or Needs - and More"
:lol:

I thought of another one: "Spencers Rip-Off"

The Warners don't know the meaning of the word "thrift"

Hahaha, too true! :lol:

:lol:

I thought of another one: "Spencers Rip-Off"

Seeing as Spencer's was founded in 1947 (thanks Google), Spencers does definitely have a case! :lol:

But they were more like "Peekskill's Watered-Down Spencer's", lol.

Seeing as Spencer's was founded in 1947 (thanks Google), Spencers does definitely have a case! :lol:

But they were more like "Peekskill's Watered-Down Spencer's", lol.

I agree.

Also, we call it Spencer's now, but in the 1980s, it was actually Spencer, or Spencer Gifts.

I remember when I was a kid, a trip to one of the malls in one of the Big Cities always meant stopping at Spencer. At that time, Spencer was revolutionary: they had things I'd never seen before. That was the thing about malls in the 1980s and 1990s: in a time before the Internet, your mind could be blown just by going shopping. You could buy things no-one else had ever seen before: "lip" phones, cool toys, and all sorts of neon lights. It was a great store in that era.

I'm sure a FOL writer went into a Spencer Gifts location one day, and was like, "THIS is what we should have the girls do!":lol:



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I agree.

Also, we call it Spencer's now, but in the 1980s, it was actually Spencer, or Spencer Gifts.

I remember when I was a kid, a trip to one of the malls in one of the Big Cities always meant stopping at Spencer. At that time, Spencer was revolutionary: they had things I'd never seen before. That was the thing about malls in the 1980s and 1990s: in a time before the Internet, your mind could be blown just by going shopping. You could buy things no-one else had ever seen before: "lip" phones, cool toys, and all sorts of neon lights. It was a great store in that era.

Yes, I was there too, and I agree!


I'm sure a FOL writer went into a Spencer Gifts location one day, and was like, "THIS is what we should have the girls do!":lol:

Haha, it's very likely indeed!!

Too bad the malls I went to never had anything revolutionary... they did have a KB toys so that was nice...

Ya know, it was really over-the-top and self-involved of Natalie to make a public announcement at Tootie's graduation that she's moving out. Why the heck would any of Tootie's friends or guests at her graduation party care what Natalie Green wants to do? lol...way to steal Tootie's thunder, Nat.

Too bad the malls I went to never had anything revolutionary... they did have a KB toys so that was nice...

'80s and I grew up in a different era. What was revolutionary to us was pretty passe by the late 1990s.

The mall in the community where I currently live wasn't built until 1999; this was the end of the mall-building era, and I always felt bad that this mall had a very short (1999-2006) heyday, before online sales made it half-dead.

Bringing this back to FOL, I think it's clear that OOH was an attempt to cash in on the mall craze that was sweeping America in the mid-1980s. It was an era when greed was declared good, but capitalism hadn't yet descended into outright fraud; that would happen a few years later. Blair Warner was completely emblematic of that era, and those OOH episodes are totally a time capsule of the 1980s, in a kinda funny way.

I can't believe Lisa made such a boycott over Natalie having sex in season 9, yet she's perfectly fine being in an episode where Tootie starts to have sex in season 8. :confused:

I would never want Mrs. Garrett to leave---I need to say that as a disclaimer first, lol---but Beverly Ann is a breath of fresh air. Not better air, she's just different, so that gives the show a different energy.

And she does have some brilliant moments, like when talking about the girls being Edna's "girls". She never had the experience before of being a parent, because "Frank and I never had...you know...sex."

:rofl:

Beverly Ann: "Hey...congratulations on becoming a woman tonight."

Tootie: "I told you...I didn't."

Beverly Ann: "Ohhhh, yes you did."

Awww! I've always loved that sweet ending to that episode. :loveya:

Blair catapulting through the wall!! :rofl:

Okay, so Cindy is having more lines in TLC than I thought. :) And she's the one to first mention Tootie's roller skates.

But when they reminisce about "Flash Flood", Blair says "Tootie went down to the barn to save the rabbits", but no one mentions Blair and Chestnut, after they just laughed about Nancy thought the horse was Roger. Odd.

Okay, so Cindy is having more lines in TLC than I thought. :)

See? She gets some good lines!

And she's the one to first mention Tootie's roller skates.

Unfortunately, Tootie doesn't bring up Cindy's spiked shoes.


But when they reminisce about "Flash Flood", Blair says "Tootie went down to the barn to save the rabbits", but no one mentions Blair and Chestnut, after they just laughed about Nancy thought the horse was Roger. Odd.

I think the writers didn't want to have Blair associated with a horse.

See? She gets some good lines!
Yeah, and she gets more lines than any other Lost Girl in that lingerie clip! :)

And I love how she's the first Lost Girl talked about, with Andy asking the legendary Cindy, and Tootie, Natalie, and Blair joking with his crushing on her. Yet, ironically, he never even got to meet her on screen! :lol:

Unfortunately, Tootie doesn't bring up Cindy's spiked shoes.
Well, that would have been more natural for Natalie to bring that up, since she was actually there when that happened.

I think the writers didn't want to have Blair associated with a horse.
Haha, could be!

It seemed a little B-movie cheesy though how once the girls arrived, it seemed like every time Sue Ann opened her mouth about her career, Jo was there to twirl her (metaphorical) villainous mustache and shoot her down repeatedly: "Oh really?? They trust a girl at your level with that??? Heh, heh, heh!" "Oh, really?? They trust a girl right outta college with that?? Heh, heh, heh!" lol, oh boy!

And I love how they included Molly! She got 2 lines in the black eye scene, and a line in the lingerie scene! And I LOVE that they included the shout-out to her in Over Our Heads! Years ago fans were mystified here, with some saying they specifically remembered Tootie saying she called Molly's mom but she said she was busy, but those fans had never seen that part in syndication since the original airing. It was so sweet seeing the other girls wishing she were there. And her pal Cindy wondered what she was up to these days. :)

But I don't like how Sue Ann's not Sue Ann in TLC. I want to see the Sue Ann we knew at Eastland. She spends 21 solid minutes behind a facade, and so much of what she says are lies. That's sad. She should have had a talk with Mrs. Garrett beforehand that her friends will still care about her no matter what she does in the world.

I don't like how Sue Ann's not Sue Ann in TLC. I want to see the Sue Ann we knew at Eastland. She spends 21 solid minutes behind a facade, and so much of what she says are lies. That's sad. She should have had a talk with Mrs. Garrett beforehand that her friends will still care about her no matter what she does in the world.

Unfortunately, Mrs. Garrett was in Africa at the time.

I feel like Sue Ann was Sue Ann: competitive, driven, and horrified that she wasn't yet at the top of her career. Remember when Sue Ann realized she was the "dumbest girl in school"? She crumbled.

Here, she's back at Eastland, among her friends who know she would be successful. And she's a gopher.

Also: we don't know that her outfit wasn't picked up at Bergdorf's. Even Bergdorf-Goodman can have sales (https://www.bergdorfgoodman.com/c/sale-shop-all-sale-cat441307?siloId=cat205700&navid=topNavSale&navpath=cat000000_cat205700). So it's not clear that everything was a lie.

...Also...it was the writers' fault! :lol:

Oh, and why the heck did they have Cindy say "Jo, where you that first year at Eastland?" LOL, it wasn't all of their first year at Eastland!


Unfortunately, Mrs. Garrett was in Africa at the time.
I know, just saying. :)


I feel like Sue Ann was Sue Ann:
I don't---she wasn't herself; she was lying!


Remember when Sue Ann realized she was the "dumbest girl in school"? She crumbled.
Exactly, she was being her true self, and that is the Sue Ann Weaver I want to see. I know her aspirations are true to her character, but donning a false facade to her best girlfriends is not (not to me, anyway).


Also: we don't know that her outfit wasn't picked up at Bergdorf's. Even Bergdorf-Goodman can have sales (https://www.bergdorfgoodman.com/c/sale-shop-all-sale-cat441307?siloId=cat205700&navid=topNavSale&navpath=cat000000_cat205700). So it's not clear that everything was a lie.
Haha, one can but hope!


...Also...it was the writers' fault! :lol:
Yup! They should have written true, honest Sue Ann with her Kansas City, Kansas integrity! Miller's Pond would be shocked! :lol:

(also, you quoted me before I edited, so I think I added some more TLC material you maybe didn't see)

I would never want Mrs. Garrett to leave---I need to say that as a disclaimer first, lol---but Beverly Ann is a breath of fresh air. Not better air, she's just different, so that gives the show a different energy.

And she does have some brilliant moments, like when talking about the girls being Edna's "girls". She never had the experience before of being a parent, because "Frank and I never had...you know...sex."

:rofl:

I kinda agree with this. It gave the show a new vibe. I love Mrs G and wish she could’ve recurred somehow, but Beverly Ann isn’t as bad as people make her out.

It seemed a little B-movie cheesy though how once the girls arrived, it seemed like every time Sue Ann opened her mouth about her career, Jo was there to twirl her (metaphorical) villainous mustache and shoot her down repeatedly: "Oh really?? They trust a girl at your level with that??? Heh, heh, heh!" "Oh, really?? They trust a girl right outta college with that?? Heh, heh, heh!" lol, oh boy!

Good points. Jo was oddly suspicious.


And I love how they included Molly! She got 2 lines in the black eye scene, and a line in the lingerie scene! And I LOVE that they included the shout-out to her in Over Our Heads! Years ago fans were mystified here, with some saying they specifically remembered Tootie saying she called Molly's mom but she said she was busy, but those fans had never seen that part in syndication since the original airing. It was so sweet seeing the other girls wishing she were there. And her pal Cindy wondered what she was up to these days. :)

I'm also glad they included Molly, in some way. The flashbacks they picked were nice.

It's really a shame that Molly didn't do the episode, because then likely it would have been a two-parter.

The syndication cuts always seem to cut out the Lost Girls.

Good points. Jo was oddly suspicious.



I'm also glad they included Molly, in some way. The flashbacks they picked were nice.

It's really a shame that Molly didn't do the episode, because then likely it would have been a two-parter.

The syndication cuts always seem to cut out the Lost Girls.

They mostly cut the mentions of Molly out and the flashback with her and Tootie talking about Blair’s black eye.

They mostly cut the mentions of Molly out and the flashback with her and Tootie talking about Blair’s black eye.
Well they should have showed Sue Ann giving Blair the black eye, so the audience would know exactly what they were talking about. Think of the newer "Facts" viewers who didn't see season 1 at that point---they'd wanna be "in on the joke" too!

And something else that really bothers me about Sue Ann here---she sees at the end that Jo is protecting her and will keep her secret. Yet without even a glance acknowledging silent thanks, she just hurries up the others and insists they have to go, now. This is the fault of the two guys who wrote this. They should have written Sue Ann as looking at Jo and giving a head tilt, a sighing slight smile, something, anything, to show us that Sue Ann sees what Jo is doing for her, and really appreciates it. The way they wrote her though, she comes off as shallow and back hiding behind that mask again. Re-do, writers, re-do.

Well they should have showed Sue Ann giving Blair the black eye, so the audience would know exactly what they were talking about. Think of the newer "Facts" viewers who didn't see season 1 at that point---they'd wanna be "in on the joke" too!

And something else that really bothers me about Sue Ann here---she sees at the end that Jo is protecting her and will keep her secret. Yet without even a glance acknowledging silent thanks, she just hurries up the others and insists they have to go, now. This is the fault of the two guys who wrote this. They should have written Sue Ann as looking at Jo and giving a head tilt, a sighing slight smile, something, anything, to show us that Sue Ann sees what Jo is doing for her, and really appreciates it. The way they wrote her though, she comes off as shallow and back hiding behind that mask again. Re-do, writers, re-do.

Sue Ann smiled at her and said, “You’re right Jo, it doesn’t matter”, I took that as a thank you. Even Blair asks if they shared a moment.

Yeah, I took the smile as a silent "thank you" as well.

It wasn't enough. They should have written it more genuine with obvious gratitude. If she truly believed Jo had her back, why was she still rushing her friends out the door in a hurry as if she were afraid Jo would blab her secret? That didn't make any sense. They should have had Sue Ann slow down and give a genuine, leisurely-paced goodbye to the others.

It wasn't enough. They should have written it more genuine with obvious gratitude. If she truly believed Jo had her back, why was she still rushing her friends out the door in a hurry as if she were afraid Jo would blab her secret? That didn't make any sense. They should have had Sue Ann slow down and give a genuine, leisurely-paced goodbye to the others.

Well I can’t argue with giving Sue Ann a longer good bye but I definitely think they gave her nice closure and she and Jo even had their moment.

Well, I'm glad you "Sue Fan"s enjoy it. I just don't think it was fair to her character (see? This time I'm finding fault with the writers and the director here, and you guys don't appreciate that :lol: )

I wonder what it was like regarding Molly Ringwald when TLC first aired, while she was queen of the teen screen scene? I wonder if any teens and 20-somethings were watching who had become newer/more recent fans of the show and maybe didn't see season 1, so they had no idea Molly Ringwald herself was ever on this show. Then all of a sudden they this girl in flashbacks---actually named "Molly"---and are like "OMG---that looks like kind of like---and she sounds---could that actually have been Molly Ringwald???"

There was no Internet back then, no DVD or VHS releases of the show yet, so there was no way to look up this info. The only evidence they would have is if they could catch season 1 in syndication somewhere and see. But that must have been a big surprise to pop culture/Molly Ringwald fans to suddenly discover, "WHOA, she was on 'The Facts of Life'???"

I wonder what it was like regarding Molly Ringwald when TLC first aired, while she was queen of the teen screen scene? I wonder if any teens and 20-somethings were watching who had become newer/more recent fans of the show and maybe didn't see season 1, so they had no idea Molly Ringwald herself was ever on this show. Then all of a sudden they this girl in flashbacks---actually named "Molly"---and are like "OMG---that looks like kind of like---and she sounds---could that actually have been Molly Ringwald???"

There was no Internet back then, no DVD or VHS releases of the show yet, so there was no way to look up this info. The only evidence they would have is if they could catch season 1 in syndication somewhere and see. But that must have been a big surprise to pop culture/Molly Ringwald fans to suddenly discover, "WHOA, she was on 'The Facts of Life'???"
Yeah I definitely think that happened

I wonder what it was like regarding Molly Ringwald when TLC first aired, while she was queen of the teen screen scene? I wonder if any teens and 20-somethings were watching who had become newer/more recent fans of the show and maybe didn't see season 1, so they had no idea Molly Ringwald herself was ever on this show. Then all of a sudden they this girl in flashbacks---actually named "Molly"---and are like "OMG---that looks like kind of like---and she sounds---could that actually have been Molly Ringwald???"

There was no Internet back then, no DVD or VHS releases of the show yet, so there was no way to look up this info. The only evidence they would have is if they could catch season 1 in syndication somewhere and see. But that must have been a big surprise to pop culture/Molly Ringwald fans to suddenly discover, "WHOA, she was on 'The Facts of Life'???"

Actually, a few years back, my sister and I watched the first season of FOL together, and she did happen to exclaim, "Whoa! Is that Molly Ringwald?! She was on FOL?"

So I don't doubt millions of people who were watching TLC had the exact same reaction.

It wasn't enough. They should have written it more genuine with obvious gratitude. If she truly believed Jo had her back, why was she still rushing her friends out the door in a hurry as if she were afraid Jo would blab her secret? That didn't make any sense. They should have had Sue Ann slow down and give a genuine, leisurely-paced goodbye to the others.

They only had a 22-minute episode.

A two-parter would have allowed for more character development and those nice little moments... sadly, that did not happen.

Still, TLC remains my very favorite episode of the second half of the series. It answered the questions I had been asking for years, it acknowledged the existence of four of my favorite characters, it gave those characters a good storyline and decent screen time, and it gave me closure on a chapter in the show's history I thought the producers had completely forgotten... or wanted viewers to forget.

Well, I'm glad you "Sue Fan"s enjoy it. I just don't think it was fair to her character (see? This time I'm finding fault with the writers and the director here, and you guys don't appreciate that :lol: )

:lol:

I always appreciate your opinion, '80s!

Oh, and why the heck did they have Cindy say "Jo, where you that first year at Eastland?" LOL, it wasn't all of their first year at Eastland!


I have always believed that Cindy was talking about her first year at Eastland, rather than everyone's first year at Eastland. If I'm talking about my first year in middle school, I might refer to it as "that first year of middle school."

We saw no sign of Cindy in "The Girls' School", during the 1978-1979 school year, so 1979-1980 does indeed seem to have been Cindy's first year at Eastland, although it wasn't Blair's, Sue Ann's, Molly's, Nancy's, or Tootie's.

I have always believed that Cindy was talking about her first year at Eastland, rather than everyone's first year at Eastland. If I'm talking about my first year in middle school, I might refer to it as "that first year of middle school."

We saw no sign of Cindy in "The Girls' School", during the 1978-1979 school year, so 1979-1980 does indeed seem to have been Cindy's first year at Eastland, although it wasn't Blair's, Sue Ann's, Molly's, Nancy's, or Tootie's.

True. Natalie and Cindy were likely in their first years in season 1.

They only had a 22-minute episode.

A two-parter would have allowed for more character development and those nice little moments... sadly, that did not happen.

That doesn't matter here though, because it was easily fixable with what they wrote for Julie and how they directed her. But to me, they failed on both points with her goodbye. Her acknowledgement to Jo was more like an, "Oh--okay :-|" instead of a nice "Got it. Thank you. :) " All they had to do was tell her to look a little touched with genuine gratitude instead of just a stare, and write her a comfortable goodbye, not a rushed "Well, w-we have to get going, NOW!" kind of thing. I was immediately struck by this watching it this time.

I have always believed that Cindy was talking about her first year at Eastland, rather than everyone's first year at Eastland. If I'm talking about my first year in middle school, I might refer to it as "that first year of middle school."

We saw no sign of Cindy in "The Girls' School", during the 1978-1979 school year, so 1979-1980 does indeed seem to have been Cindy's first year at Eastland, although it wasn't Blair's, Sue Ann's, Molly's, Nancy's, or Tootie's.

Well, it just sounds generalizing the way she says "that" first year at Eastland. As if it were "Eastland 1 A.D." :lol:

It did seem to clearly be Cindy's first year, since Mrs. Garrett was assuring her how these girls were her family now away from home, etc. I think that was Tootie's first year at Eastland as well since she was allegedly "12". And IIRC Blair infers that was her first year in an OOH episode, yet in another episode she said she started at Eastland when she was 12 (which is what I go with).

It answered the questions I had been asking for years

And brought up new ones you've been pondering for years. Cindy "Baker", anyone? ;)

Which does bring up an interesting point...just where is it documented that Cindy's surname is "Webster"? In season 1, she is the only main character whose surname is never spoken. But Julie Ann Haddock Becker knew "Webster" was her surname, because she said it in one of the season 1 & 2 DVD bonus features (and I love that she did! Yeah Julie Ann, give Cindy her surname due!)

And brought up new ones you've been pondering for years. Cindy "Baker", anyone? ;)

Which does bring up an interesting point...just where is it documented that Cindy's surname is "Webster"? In season 1, she is the only main character whose surname is never spoken. But Julie Ann Haddock Becker knew "Webster" was her surname, because she said it in one of the season 1 & 2 DVD bonus features (and I love that she did! Yeah Julie Ann, give Cindy her surname due!)

Yeah even NANCY got to mention her last name!

Yeah even NANCY got to mention her last name!
Right?? "Nancy Olson: Shrink to the Stars"!

Cindy is the only one whose career aspiration we weren't privy to! They "Nancied" Cindy's career dreams!*

*(I mean, sure, we can assume something sporty, but ya never know, lol)

Right?? "Nancy Olson: Shrink to the Stars"!

Cindy is the only one whose career aspiration we weren't privy to! They "Nancied" Cindy's career dreams!*

*(I mean, sure, we can assume something sporty, but ya never know, lol)

Softball star?

Softball star?
Tennis, hockey, WNBA, "Olympian"---who knows?

Tennis, hockey, WNBA, "Olympian"---who knows?

Well obviously model wasn't her pick at the time. :lol:

Well obviously model wasn't her pick at the time. :lol:
lol, you never know, she could have surprised us (and the others on the show), but yeah, it's unlikely she was thinking of it then.

It did seem to clearly be Cindy's first year, since Mrs. Garrett was assuring her how these girls were her family now away from home, etc.

I agree that Mrs. G's line lends support to it being Cindy's first year. Also, Molly's comment that Sue Ann and Cindy have been best friends "all year" could also be taken as an indicator (it's Sue Ann's third year; see below). If Sue Ann and Cindy had been together longer than a year, Molly likely wouldn't have said "all year".

I think that was Tootie's first year at Eastland as well since she was allegedly "12".

But how could 1979-1980 be Tootie's first academic year at Eastland when we see her in May 1979, in "The Girls' School", in what would be the end of the 1978-1979 academic year?


And IIRC Blair infers that was her first year in an OOH episode, yet in another episode she said she started at Eastland when she was 12 (which is what I go with).

But how could 1979-1980 be Blair's first year, if the following year she won the Harvest Queen festival three years in a row? I also go with when she was 12, because you can't be Harvest Queen at a school you don't actually attend! :lol:

We know 1979-1980 wasn't Sue Ann's first year: it had to have been her third year, based on the trophy Mr. Bradley wants.

Also, Molly's comment that Sue Ann and Cindy have been best friends "all year" could also be taken as an indicator. If Sue Ann and Cindy had been together longer than a year, Molly likely wouldn't have said "all year".

I also go with when she was 12, because you can't be Harvest Queen at a school you don't actually attend! :lol:

We know 1979-1980 wasn't Sue Ann's first year: it had to have been her third year, based on the trophy Mr. Bradley wants.
Oo, good points! You are "F.A.C.T."-ing indeed! :clap:


But how could 1979-1980 be Tootie's first academic year at Eastland when we see her in May 1979, in "The Girls' School", in what would be the end of the 1978-1979 academic year?
Ah, good point! I would guess then it would be Tootie's 2nd year.

"Seven Little Indians" is so fun! I vividly remember watching that in the dark my first time---in fact, I watched it by candlelight just now! :candle: popcorn: :so :candle:

But as fun and broad as it is, entertaining "goofery" deviating from the norm of the show, it really does have moments of genuine creepiness!

So surreal! :eek:

Also:

"Tootie" ;)

Oo, good points! You are "F.A.C.T."-ing indeed! :clap:


Why thank you, good sir!


Ah, good point! I would guess then it would be Tootie's 2nd year.

I think so. Or she might have even transferred in from another school partway through the 1978-1979 school year, once she had turned "twelve", which seems to have been the earliest year girls were accepted at Eastland.

So Tootie goes to Langley! Weird, there's never a proclamation of that. I didn't even think about it when she was acting in the new Langley theater that Blair's dad donated to Langley. But in the episode where Tootie's pledging a Langley sorority it's like, "Oh, I guess Tootie goes to Langley", lol.

And how nice for Blair's dad to have a good episode of closure where they have a lovely father/daughter moment at the end, and we learn that he sacrificed his image to spare his own father's well-being.

Maybe Mr. Warner's dad wasn't perfect, but that grandfather of Blair's does seem preferable to her ignorant white supremacist grandfather!

"Seven Little Indians" is so fun! I vividly remember watching that in the dark my first time---in fact, I watched it by candlelight just now! :candle: popcorn: :so :candle:

But as fun and broad as it is, entertaining "goofery" deviating from the norm of the show, it really does have moments of genuine creepiness!

So surreal! :eek:

Also:

"Tootie" ;)

It's very funny, and I remember being delighted with it when I first saw it as a kid.

But it's also an example of a show which has strayed very far from the original premise, sacrificing character development for cheap laughs.

But it's also an example of a show which has strayed very far from the original premise, sacrificing character development for cheap laughs.
Well, if you're talking about this episode in particular, I count this one as a special episode (not to be confused with DS's "very special episodes", haha) because it's like " 'Facts of Life' takes a holiday" (but not to Paris, lol).

On a non-"Facts" subject, as for your statement above, I have always maintained that seasons 5-7 of "The Golden Girls" sacrificed character truth for easy laughs.

And then there's "Designing Women", which, in season 6 when Suzanne and Charlene had left, Julia was no longer a character, but a caricature.

"Seven Little Indians" is so fun! I vividly remember watching that in the dark my first time---in fact, I watched it by candlelight just now! :candle: popcorn: :so :candle:

But as fun and broad as it is, entertaining "goofery" deviating from the norm of the show, it really does have moments of genuine creepiness!

So surreal! :eek:

Also:

"Tootie" ;)

:lol::lol::lol:

Well, if you're talking about this episode in particular, I count this one as a special episode (not to be confused with DS's "very special episodes", haha) because it's like " 'Facts of Life' takes a holiday" (but not to Paris, lol).

Haha yeah it was ok for a special occasion

Holy cow!!

So I looked up Maurice LaMarche, who portrayed the spoofy "Rod Sperling" in "Seven Little Indians" ("One more time...Tootie ;)" ), and he has done a TON of voice-over work in the industry! Both animation and video games---he's got over 360 credits!! Wow!

They include Egon Spengler in the "Ghostbusters" 'toons, and Brain of "Pinky and the Brain". Who knew? Cool!

Holy cow!!

So I looked up Maurice LaMarche, who portrayed the spoofy "Rod Sperling" in "Seven Little Indians" ("One more time...Tootie ;)" ), and he has done a TON of voice-over work in the industry! Both animation and video games---he's got over 360 credits!! Wow!

They include Egon Spengler in the "Ghostbusters" 'toons, and Brain of "Pinky and the Brain". Who knew? Cool!

That is cool! Who did he voice on PatB?

That is cool! Who did he voice on PatB?

Brain! I said so right in the post! :lol:

Brain! I said so right in the post! :lol:

OHHH! :crazy: Wow he was the star!

Yeah...I was shocked and saddened to see that the year after his "Facts" appearance, he lost his father in a senseless tragedy, wow.

He was so good in that episode, though. I really remember liking his "Tootie" fascination when I first saw it as a kid, lol.

Yeah...I was shocked and saddened to see that the year after his "Facts" appearance, he lost his father in a senseless tragedy, wow.

He was so good in that episode, though. I really remember liking his "Tootie" fascination when I first saw it as a kid, lol.

He did? :( Awww

And IIRC Blair infers that was her first year in an OOH episode, yet in another episode she said she started at Eastland when she was 12 (which is what I go with).


She also told Steve in The Facts of Love season 1 that she had two more years of Eastland left when she had 3. There were a few writing continuity errors I notice along the way. Like Blair's grandfather. In Legacy the guy is dead and a member of the KKK. In Where's Poppa years later, he was going to be arrested for a crime but David took his place instead. Not to mention The Facts of Life Down Under where they can't even remember what year Natalie graduated ohno: Every show is bound to have writing errors along the way so I try not to harp on it so much. Hell even in real life people make mistakes of time frames during events in their lives...very possible I have done this as well but who keeps track :D

She also told Steve in The Facts of Love season 1 that she had two more years of Eastland left when she had 3. There were a few writing continuity errors I notice along the way. Like Blair's grandfather. In Legacy the guy is dead and a member of the KKK. In Where's Poppa years later, he was going to be arrested for a crime but David took his place instead. Not to mention The Facts of Life Down Under where they can't even remember what year Natalie graduated ohno: Every show is bound to have writing errors along the way so I try not to harp on it so much. Hell even in real life people make mistakes of time frames during events in their lives...very possible I have done this as well but who keeps track :D

I figured that was her other grandfather

She also told Steve in The Facts of Love season 1 that she had two more years of Eastland left when she had 3.
Yes, that line is always so glaring!


There were a few writing continuity errors I notice along the way. Like Blair's grandfather. In Legacy the guy is dead and a member of the KKK. In Where's Poppa years later, he was going to be arrested for a crime but David took his place instead.

I figured that was her other grandfather

Lorimar is correct. I saw this episode a night or two ago and I too thought they totally ret-conned Blair's grandfather, but when I was thinking back to the KKK episode, I finally remembered that was Judge Carlton Blair (whom she was of course named after), so that was her maternal grandfather, Monica's father.

And technically, he wasn't a member of the KKK, but a financial contributor (not that that's a lot better, but anyway).

I absolutely love "A Winter's Tale". Definitely one of my favorite episodes of the later seasons. With that stone ski cabin in the snow, it's like "The Facts of Life" meets "Who's the Boss?". And it's so cozy to boot!

(btw, Retro and Lorsie, did you know that one of the guys at the cabin is Rich from "The Hogan Family"?)

I absolutely love "A Winter's Tale". Definitely one of my favorite episodes of the later seasons. With that stone ski cabin in the snow, it's like "The Facts of Life" meets "Who's the Boss?". And it's so cozy to boot!

(btw, Retro and Lorsie, did you know that one of the guys at the cabin is Rich from "The Hogan Family"?)

Haha I did!

^---Ha!

Oh wow, ROY showed up! After his one appearance in season 5, I totally forgot he ever showed up again! But there he was in season 8, "Cupid's Revenge". How interesting they brought him back 3 years later. Too bad he and Jo couldn't make a go of it then, haha.

^---Ha!

Oh wow, ROY showed up! After his one appearance in season 5, I totally forgot he ever showed up again! But there he was in season 8, "Cupid's Revenge". How interesting they brought him back 3 years later. Too bad he and Jo couldn't make a go of it then, haha.

Yeah that was pretty funny.

Yeah that was pretty funny.
When he was singing in the gorilla suit I thought, "Huh, that voice sounds kinda familiar", lol...though his voice had matured a bit more from his recurring appearances in seasons 3 and 4 four and five years prior (and the one season 5, lol).

Oh, and I noticed, surprisingly, 2 jokes in season 8 that were exact duplicates on "The Golden Girls"---we heard those same exact jokes on GG. I don't know which show did them first though. I'd have to go back and see what the jokes were (they're both in season 8, and I think one is near the beginning of "Where's Poppa"?), but I found that very interesting and "hmmmm!"-y, lol.

Okay, so they totally ret-conned Grandpa Joseph Polniaczek by BRINGING HIM BACK FROM THE GRAVE (Jo confirms in the classic cafeteria years that all of her grandparents died before she was born), but that "little detail" aside, lol, who here would just not love to hug Grandpa Polniaczek? Isn't he just the epitome of absolute lovable grandpa-ness?? Awwwww! C'mere, Grandpa Polniaczek! Let's all hug you! :grouphug:

Okay, so they totally ret-conned Grandpa Joseph Polniaczek by BRINGING HIM BACK FROM THE GRAVE (Jo confirms in the classic cafeteria years that all of her grandparents died before she was born), but that "little detail" aside, lol, who here would just not love to hug Grandpa Polniaczek? Isn't he just the epitome of absolute lovable grandpa-ness?? Awwwww! C'mere, Grandpa Polniaczek! Let's all hug you! :grouphug:

Haha true, those continuity guys were the worst between that and Cindy's last name.

Haha true, those continuity guys were the worst between that and Cindy's last name.
Ha! That's funny you say that, considering what I posted in the Limericks thread a bit ago, lol.

Grandma Mona and Grandpa Polniaczek---two of the most adorable grandparents on a sitcom ever! I love those two! :bighug:

Ha! That's funny you say that, considering what I posted in the Limericks thread a bit ago, lol.

Grandma Mona and Grandpa Polniaczek---two of the most adorable grandparents on a sitcom ever! I love those two! :bighug:
Mona? From Who's The Boss? :lol:

Mona? From Who's The Boss? :lol:
From Russia! With Love! Silly Lorsie! :lol:

From Russia! With Love! Silly Lorsie! :lol:

Oops. Sorry :D

Hey Lorsie, so I dove into season 9 after all. But I won't be watching the whole thing, especially not the last episode (I hate that they have Blair using all her $ on Eastland).

But it really is fun with the premiere out in Malibu and Beverly Hills, California---it feels like a vicarious vacation! :lol: It really does feel like such a refreshing outing! :D

With both elder sisters, we got to vacation with Mrs. Garrett in France, and Beverly Ann in California. :)

So Blair said the phrase "mad money" in the last episode of season 1, and the first episode of the last season.

And the phrase "steam cleaned" was said in the second episode of season 2, and the second episode of season 9.

Hey Lorsie, so I dove into season 9 after all. But I won't be watching the whole thing, especially not the last episode (I hate that they have Blair using all her $ on Eastland).

But it really is fun with the premiere out in Malibu and Beverly Hills, California---it feels like a vicarious vacation! :lol: It really does feel like such a refreshing outing! :D

With both elder sisters, we got to vacation with Mrs. Garrett in France, and Beverly Ann in California. :)

Hey Beverly Ann got Australia too. ;)

Hey Beverly Ann got Australia too. ;)
True, I just hadn't planned on watching that, but maybe I will.

(and don't miss my 2nd post above! [you and I posted in the same minute, lol] )

So Blair said the phrase "mad money" in the last episode of season 1, and the first episode of season 9.

And the phrase "steam cleaned" was said in the second episode of season 2, and the second episode of season 9.

Haha that’s very interesting!

Haha that’s very interesting!
It's even more interesting now that I re-worded the first line to reflect "first season, last episode / last season first episode"! lol

It's even more interesting now that I re-worded the first line to reflect "last season, first episode / first episode, last season"! lol

Haha I knew what ya meant ;)

True, I just hadn't planned on watching that, but maybe I will.


Are you watching these from reruns on TV or the DVD sets? Down Under is a lot better to watch from the DVD release on the complete set.

Are you watching these from reruns on TV or the DVD sets? Down Under is a lot better to watch from the DVD release on the complete set.

Good morning Christopher! :wave:

It's neat to see someone here in the morning---most guys around here are vampires. :lol:

Oh no, no re-runs for me. When I binge a beloved show, it's on DVDs. I don't have the complete set though. I had already been buying season sets long before they ever released the box set.

It's "The Facts of Feathered Life"!

Where "Running" becomes "Flying":

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"I'll call it, 'Beakies Foreverrrrr!' "

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It's "The Facts of Feathered Life"!

Where "Running" becomes "Flying":

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"I'll call it, 'Beakies Foreverrrrr!' "

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