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Pirate Jenny

09-14-2004, 01:45 AM

Ok! Here's Lilith's profile from Toasting Cheers: An Episode Guide, 1982-1993 by Dennis A. Bjorklund.

(Copyright 1997 by McFarland & Company Inc.)

Lilith Sternin-Crane

Childhood and Family
Lilith was born in 1957 and began wearing her hair in a bun when she was three days old. The daughter of a Jewish family, Lilith was not very close to her relatives and had a very demanding mother, Betty Sternin. Lilith was never able to stang up to her mother and became very submissive in her presence; her childhood was filled with fear of her mother's scorn and contempt. Although Lilith's parents' occupations were unknown, her grandfather was a butter and egg man in New Jersey. Her great uncle was born in 1894, and would commence a rousing rendition of "Over There" whenever he was Frasier (whom he referred to as "colonel").
One traumatic childhood memory was when Lilith's father asked her to close her eyes, and then left for two years. Lilith had at least one childhood friend, Dorothy Greenberg, who later moved to New York. Dorothy begame a professional student specializing in the comuneros uprising in Paraguay during the 17th century.
In high school Lilith was a bad seed and never learned to drive because she was too busy having fun! She eventually learned to drive two decades later, after convincing Sam to be her instructor. Sam quit after one lesson when Lilith gave a trucker the finger, ginned the car up to 80 m.p.h., and ran him off the road. The bumper sticker on the truck read, "Insured by Smith & Wesson." She then pushed her finger into the folds of the trucker's neck (thinking Sam could take him), and Sam sustained a bloody nose.

Personal
Lilith had cold, gray eyes*, and one foot larger than the other (which necessitated left and right sock drawers). Her delicate constitution forbade her from consuming shallots, and she was allergic to strawberries. Moreover, Lilith loathed being photographed because the film was always overexposed, making her look white as a ghost.
As for her personal interests, Lilith's favorite flower was the rose (her mother loved cascading lilies), she loved to bathe in Mr. Bubble, and her favorite hiding place was the balcony of Cheers. Moreover, Lilith's favorite Marx brother was Zeppo (it cracked her up when he stood there with no expression on his face), and favorite figure from the Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood was Christina Rosetti, the sister of Dante Gabriel Rosetti, a 19th-century poet.
Lilith knew the lyrics to "My Funny Valentine," and the one piece of music that turned her into a cheap tramp was "Che gelida manina" (roughly translated to "your tiny hand is frozen") from La Boheme . After watching a male stipper, Randy, at her bridal shower, Lilith was never able to listen to the song "Shock the Monkey" by Peter Gabriel without crying.
Lilith believed the best way to overcome the fear of aging was reliving your childhood and listening to heavy doses of CCR (Creedence Clearwater Revival, a 1970's rock group). She first experienced the death of a loved one when her favorite laboratory research rat, Whitey, died.
Other miscellaneous information: Lilith refused to have sex during the daylight hours; she could hear a dog whistle; she refused to allow a Christmas tree in the house; and the words she will always cherish are "Lilith, I want to marry you anyway" (spoken by Frasier).
Some of the pejorative nicknames used in reference to Lilith include: Blimpy (referring to her pregnancy and being two weeks overdue), Madame Ovary, Brunhilda, Elvira, Death with Hips, Ice Cube in Heels, Morticia, and Chalk Face.

Career
Lilith worked as a research psychologist at Boston General Hospital earning $60,000 per year, and her professional accreditations include M.D., Ph.D., E.D.D. and A.P.A. She preached the psychological tenets of behaviorism and despised Sigmund Freud because his theories are outdated, unsupported by clinical data, sexist and superstitious. Lilith was a member of the Psychoanalytic and Social Therapeutic Practitioners Society, and her lab assistant was Otto.
*I find this hard to believe, being that Bebe has brown eyes. Ok, I didn't know you could "act" your eyes into a different colour.

And, I'll finish this tomorrow, I've typed too much today and I still have my homework to do.

Chambers

09-14-2004, 05:42 PM

hahaha that's great.

And I didn't know that you could act the color of your eyes either.

Pirate Jenny

09-14-2004, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by Chambers
hahaha that's great.

And I didn't know that you could act the color of your eyes either.

I suppose that just proves that we aren't of the same calibre as Bebe.

Moondance

09-14-2004, 05:50 PM

I loved reading that - makes me realize how cool Lilith is...by the way she can magically change her eye color!

Feen

Pirate Jenny

09-14-2004, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by Moondance
I loved reading that - makes me realize how cool Lilith is...by the way she can magically change her eye color!

Feen

I'll type up more of it later tonight...and then, when I'm done, I'll type up Bebe's profile, cause it just reiterates her awesomeness (though they got her birth year wrong)...

Moondance

09-14-2004, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by periacta
I'll type up more of it later tonight...and then, when I'm done, I'll type up Bebe's profile, cause it just reiterates her awesomeness (though they got her birth year wrong)...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v34/TroyandLindseyFan/redbounce.gif

Petrie Malone

09-15-2004, 03:15 PM

AHHH!!! The world is falling apart!!! This thread isn't at the top of the message board!!! Lilith would be disappointed in us!

Chambers

09-15-2004, 03:24 PM

Lilith, Lilith, Lilith...we're so sorry.

Pirate Jenny

09-15-2004, 04:22 PM

*hangs head in shame*
I feel responsible for this.
I didn't post last night.
I was, you know, doing school stuff.

I shall now flagellate in penitence.

Chambers

09-15-2004, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by periacta
*hangs head in shame*
I feel responsible for this.
I didn't post last night.
I was, you know, doing school stuff.

I shall now flagellate in penitence.

Did you manage to write your story?

Pirate Jenny

09-15-2004, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by Chambers
Did you manage to write your story?

Yes, though I almost blew an artery this morning because I was so late because I had to copy 18 copies of it, and I hadn't slept because, well, I was writing, and the computer was being contrary and and and...
But yes, I did.

Chambers

09-15-2004, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by periacta
Yes, though I almost blew an artery this morning because I was so late because I had to copy 18 copies of it, and I hadn't slept because, well, I was writing, and the computer was being contrary and and and...
But yes, I did.

What was it about?

Pirate Jenny

09-15-2004, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by Chambers
What was it about?
Um. Driving to nowhere? Kind of? I'll PM it to you, because I don't want to put it in my journal because
a. it's new
b. I worry about people stealking my crap.

Chambers

09-15-2004, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by periacta
Um. Driving to nowhere? Kind of? I'll PM it to you, because I don't want to put it in my journal because
a. it's new
b. I worry about people stealking my crap.
ok, cool. :D

Pirate Jenny

09-16-2004, 03:01 AM

I'll continue with the Lilithness of "Toasting Cheers" because I'm too tired to do anything else (except sleep, but I can't do that, because I like the song that's playing on my computer right now (of course I like it...I mean, it's on my computer) so I'll have to wait it out, but then, inevitably, another song I like will begin, so, here I am). Enjoy.

We'll continue where we left off, with "Career"
In her research, Lilith worked extensively with rats, and she believed that the laboratory rats worshiped* her as a goddess. She had two favorite rats: Whitey and Whiskers. After Whitey died, Whiskers (also known by the lab identification number 17A) became Lilith's favorite.
Lilith's clinical sucess culminated in the publication of the book Good Girls, Bad Boys. (The title was her editor's idea; she wanted A Cross-sectional Study of Control Group Females with a Tendency Toward Self-destruction, Vis-a-vis Damaging Relationships with Members of the Opposite Sex.) Lilith's research hypothesized that women are attracted to men who are bad for them because thet represent danger. However, once outgrowing the "bad boy," they make mature descisions and eventually lead lives with upstanding, substantial men. Lilith promoted her book with a guest appearence on "Teatime with Brenda," hosted by Brenda Balzak on channel 13 at 3:30 p.m., on February 15, 1990. Lilith used Sam and Frasier to represent the "bad boy" and "good boy," respectively. While describing Sam's physical attraction, she became titillated** and propelled herself at him. Although nothing ever came of the incident, Frasier was quite distraught.
Lilith also had sucess with a paper she wrote on sensory deprivation. She inadvertaently locked her lab assistant, Otto, in the isolation isolation chamber before leaving on a two-week vacation. What could have been a serious lawsuit turned into an award winning paper!
Miscellaneous information regarding her career: Lilith had two more years of dream analysis experience than Frasier; she authored more books than Frasier; and she wrote more articles in a year than he read.

Relationships--Frasier Crane

Lilith and Frasier had their first meaningful social interaction when they went on a date. However the evening was disastrous. Lilith ended the date early, and Frasier labeled her as passionless, stoic and emotionally numb. The closest they came to physical contact was Lilith slamming the car door on Frasier's hand. Although despising Frasier when they first met, Lilith subsequently admitted he was her first love (though Lilith's mother never outgrew her disdain for him). A few months later, they were reunited for a psychological debate on a local PBS program, "Psychology This Week." Since Lilith and Frasier were still embittered from their dating fiasco, they relished the opportunity to demonstrate their intellectual superiority.
Beneath the acrimony, Diane recognized the sexual attraction between them and gave Lilith a beauty makeover to soften and refine her rigid appearence. During the debate, Lilith and Frasier were excited to a sexual frenzy, and after a lengthy discussion using sexual metaphors, they ended the broadcast by playing footsy. Notwithstanding their embarrassment, they returned to Frasier's town house to express their feelings.
In their relationship, Frasier used various pet names to refer to Lilith, such as Sweet Potato, Peach Blossom, Blossom Bottom†, Little Chopped Salad,†† Parsnip, Wild Asparagus, Pea Pod, My Sweet, Sugar, Sugar Pants, Peanut Butter Cup, Buttercup, Popsicle, Jelly Bean, Moon Pie, Marine Melon, Angel, Angel Face, Dear Heart, My Treasure, Cherub, Dove Bar, Little Starlet, Little Badger‡, and Firebrand.

My wrist hurts. More tomorrow. Maybe.

*sic
**hehehehehehe...
† Um, what?
†† Even weirder
‡ Weirdest of them ALL

Chambers

09-16-2004, 02:46 PM

Haha I love reading this. My favorite would have to be "Wild Asparagus."

Pirate Jenny

09-16-2004, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by Chambers
Haha I love reading this. My favorite would have to be "Wild Asparagus."

You guys better love it. Cause I hate typing it.

Pirate Jenny

09-16-2004, 03:21 PM

And, just so everyone knows, my email has changed to piratejenny@gmail.com
Yes, it's a Kurt Weill song
WITH PIRATES!

Badass, huh?

Chambers

09-16-2004, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by periacta
You guys better love it. Cause I hate typing it.

And we thank you very much for typing it out.

Moondance

09-16-2004, 08:38 PM

Alright you guys - I just got a book from the library called "So Far...Kelsey Grammer!" I'll read through it tonight and see what's said about Bebe Neuwirth...

Feen

Pirate Jenny

09-16-2004, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by Moondance
Alright you guys - I just got a book from the library called "So Far...Kelsey Grammer!" I'll read through it tonight and see what's said about Bebe Neuwirth...

Feen

Cool. Let us know! I can't wait till I finish this ****ing Lilith thing. There are too many ****ing exclamation points in it. And complete personality traits are assumed based on an offhand comment in one episode. That pisses me off. But mostly the exclamation points.
Bebe's bio should be better.

Pirate Jenny

09-17-2004, 05:22 AM

*grumbles*

Continuing with the Relationships--Frasier

Frasier proposed marriage to Lilith at Cheers, and she responded "Yes, my steed. Yes." Although matrimony was inevitable, there were two incidents that nearly impeded their union. In the first, Frasier made disparaging comments about marriage, so Lilith gave him the opportunity to rescind his proposal and cancel the wedding. The other vexatious moment occured when Frasier asked Lilith to sign a prenuptial agreement. Aghast and dismayed by Frasier's request, Lilith retaliated by paying $2,000 for a romantic weekend with Sam (as part of a celebrity charity auction). Her plan worked. In a fit of jealous rage, Frasier stormed into the hotel room to reaffirm his love for Lilith (and forsook the notion of a prenuptial agreement*).
As the wedding approached, Rebecca organized a bridal shower at Carla's house, purchasing napkins with the inscription "Mazeltov Sy and Effie Kupperman" (Rebecca received a discount price when Sy left town with his secretary). The women had a wild evening highlighted by a male strip show, and Lilith became so intoxicated she propositioned the stripper, Randy. The party ended early when the women engaged in a fistfight over which was better, mayonnaise or Miracle Whip. In addition to organizing the bridal shower, Rebecca was the maid of honor (Even though they only knew each other a few months**). The wedding reception was held at Cheers; however, since Lilith's mother was not able to attend the wedding or reception, on their fifth wedding anniversary she demanded*** Lilith and Frasier re-enact their wedding vows.
Lilith's closest Bostonian friend was Rebecca. On one occasion, Lilith transformed Rebecca's image into something more professional and businesslike. Although Rebecca remained unnoticed at the corporate meeting in Melvill's, Lilith was offered a position as vice president of the eastern seaboard.

Relationships--Dr. Pascal
Lilith was involved in one other romantic relationship. After seven years of marriage, she found herself working side by side with researcher Dr. Louis Pascal. Lilith was attracted to Dr. Pascal (also known as Googie) primarily because he enabled her to act uncharacteristically spontaneous and uninhibited. He filled a void in Lilith's disciplined and regimented life. Although she tried to fill it with awards and accomplishments, Lilith eventually yearned for something else. Rebecca first discovered the adulterous† relationship when Lilith was enthusiastically kissing Dr. Pascal in his Lexus. Lilith confessed the truth to Frasier and announced he desire for a trial separation.
Lilith and Dr. Pascal arranged to cohabit in the Ecopod (a self contained, mile wide subterranean environment beneath the desert floor that was to serve as a prototype for an eventual space station for human colonization--like the ecopod, only on a larger scale). The plan was to have two humans occupy the Ecopod for one year, and Lilith was going to be part of this experiment. During her absence, Frasier was given custody of Frederick. Unfortunately, just moments after the lid to the Ecopod was sealed, Dr. Pascal revealed his claustrophobia, went insane, and invented an imaginary friend, Dr. Jaworski. (While she was there, Frasier provided prank telephone calls nightly.)
Lilith lived in the Ecopod for six months before escaping. However, the effects of living underground were indelible. Lilith insisted upon sleeping in the cellar (you can take the girl out of the Ecopod, but you can't take the Ecopod out of the girl!). Upon return to Boston, she caugt Frasier in bed with Rebecca. After considerable effort and pursuasion, Lilith and Frasier were reconciled.

Children

Lilith and Frasier's only child was Frederick. He was born on November 2††, 1989 (two weeks overdue), the same day as the 100th anniversary celebration of the opening of Cheers. Lilith experienced labor pains during the celebration and was accompanied to the hospital by Frasier and Sam. Since she had false labor pains, Frasier and Sam assisted another woman, Gail Aldrich, inthe delivery room, and Lilith gave birth iN THE backseat of the taxi (enduring the pain by biting dowb on the cab driver's foam rubber dice).
Frederick was one week old when he first visited Cheers, and returned the following day for a ceremonial fris (circumcision). Although the bris was originally scheduled at the Crane residence, Frasier kidnapped Frederick to save him from the knife. Lilith located the pair hiding in the Cheers office and reasoned with Frasier to allow the circumcision. The bris was performed by Dr. Levinson‡ in the Cheers poolroom and also functioned as the entertaiment for a corporate employee's retirement party.
Lilith opted to stay home to care for Frederick‡‡, but the Cranes also hired nannies such as Torsten, a Swedish male, and a young lady to whom Lilith referred to* as a 16-year-old bundle of breasts. Although Frederick was scheduled to attend a prestigious day care (Magic Hours Learning Center), he was not accepted because of an irascible confrontation between his parents at the conclusion of the admission interview.
Fredericks educational career suffered a further setback when his I.Q. test results showed he was average. Lilith and Frasier were despondent about this revelation and aghast that this was even conceivable, especially considering their stature and intelligence. Frasier ultimately blamed Lilith's inferior gene pool (i.e. the granddaughter of an egg and butter man from New Jersey).
When he was 11 months old, Frederick said his first word, "Norm!" His first concert was the Nanny Gee "1992 Tickle Tummy Tour"; his favorite song was Al Jolson's "Sonny Boy"; and his favorite book was The Runaway Bunny. Lilith forbade Frederick from playing with toys depicting violence.
At age 2, Frederick was nearly denied the ghoulish tradition to trick-or-treat on Halloween. Lilith despised the ritual of begging for non-nutritious treats from strangers, but conceded when the ritual was limited to Cheers. For his first Haloween experience, Frederick dressed as Spiderman (And Lilith dressed as Christina Rossetti**, her favorite figure from the Pre-Rafaelite Brotherhood).

*Haha, I bet he regrets that!
**FOR a few months...FOR! jesus.
***demanded THAT Lilith and Frasier re-enact. Good god!
† Hey, I think giant red "A"s emblazoned on one's chest make a nifty fashion statement!
†† Remember to vote, people! (if you're not a crazy foreigner or minor.)
‡ yeah, ok, um brises are performed by rabbis, not Dr, though the mohel (the dude that actually does the snipping) is often a Dr. Still, I saw no rabbi in that entire episode. It's not a RITUAL circumcision unless you have the ritual.
‡‡Uh, yeah, I was under the distinct impression that this set-up lasted for all of half of a day.
*"To whom Lilith referred to"? The grammatical errors in this book are making me want some laudanum.
**I've been to her house! It's in Bloomsbury, just around the corner from where Virginia Woolf lived as a young adult (albeit a century later). VW was infatuated with Christina Rosetti.

I have this Cheers book propped up on a shoe on my bed, and Apollo has climbed into it, and is now nibbling at the edge of the page. That's how much he loves Lilith.
I'm sure the library will be thrilled.

I'm.
****ing.
Done.

This was the worst bio of Lilith I've ever read. And that's saying a lot, because it's also the only one.

Tomorrow, I'll do Bebe's bio in the book (and hopefully avoid alliterations, too), which should be better, if only because the author probably didn't make such over-generalised conjectures. Or use as many exclamation points.

barwars

09-17-2004, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by periacta
† Hey, I think giant red "A"s emblazoned on one's chest make a nifty fashion statement!

We just started reading that today in English.

Pirate Jenny

09-17-2004, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by barwars
We just started reading that today in English.
You're a junior, right?
Jeez, don't all these schools have, I don't know, originality in book choices?
Like, EVERYONE reads it junior year.
I remember my American Lit teacher came in one day while we were reading that with a Scarlet A on her shirt.
Man, she was such a cool teacher...
Everyone else hated her.
But that's only cause I was her favorite.
They were bitter.

Moondance

09-17-2004, 05:51 PM

I didn't have English teachers like that - well, there was my 12th grade English teacher who made us act out Macbeth in front of that class! Haha! He was one of those theatre majors!

Feen

Pirate Jenny

09-17-2004, 05:52 PM

Moondance

09-17-2004, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by periacta
Girl, I went to a theatre SCHOOL!
They were ALL like that.

Well, you know, it was fun. I wanted to take drama but took chorus instead - that was a stupid decision because I couldn't stand the chorus teacher! I was more into concert band anyways!

barwars

09-17-2004, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by periacta
You're a junior, right?
Jeez, don't all these schools have, I don't know, originality in book choices?
Like, EVERYONE reads it junior year.

I think its mandatory. So it's probably not the teacher's decision whether we read it or not. (although it makes her job easier)

Pirate Jenny

09-17-2004, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by barwars
I think its mandatory. So it's probably not the teacher's decision whether we read it or not. (although it makes her job easier)

Yes, but who says it's mandatory? If juniors all over the nation are reading it, is it like some federal Nathaniel Hawthorne law?

barwars

09-17-2004, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by periacta
Yes, but who says it's mandatory? If juniors all over the nation are reading it, is it like some federal Nathaniel Hawthorne law?

hahaha
I think she said something about it appearing on either the SATs or Regents.

Im not positive though

Chambers

09-17-2004, 08:09 PM

We didn't read The Scarlett Letter junior year - we read Heart of Darkness and King Lear and some other stuff I forgot. Oh, but that was AP...I think 11th grade English did Hawthorne too...Oh well.

Petrie Malone

09-17-2004, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by Moondance
I didn't have English teachers like that - well, there was my 12th grade English teacher who made us act out Macbeth in front of that class! Haha! He was one of those theatre majors!

Feen

That's what my English teacher last year was like. He was ****ing awesome. This year my English teacher is short and reminds me of Carla a little bit.

I will be changing my username soon... I just haven't had time with all my school work.:rolleyes:

barwars

09-17-2004, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by DickVanDykeMan
I will be changing my username soon... I just haven't had time with all my school work.:rolleyes:

To what??

I was thinking....
Norm Petrieson

Pirate Jenny

09-18-2004, 11:23 PM

I've been thinking of changing my SN too...to Pirate Jenny
Gotta love the pirates.
But I am completely ignorant as to how one goes about changing their username.

Brian Damage

09-19-2004, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by periacta
I've been thinking of changing my SN too...to Pirate Jenny
Gotta love the pirates.
But I am completely ignorant as to how one goes about changing their username.

PM or Email TJ and tell him what name you want to change it to.

Chambers

09-19-2004, 01:07 PM

Pirate Jenny? Haha cool. But I'll really miss periacta.

Moondance

09-19-2004, 02:23 PM

I like the name Pirate Jenny, too!

Pirate Jenny

09-19-2004, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by Chambers
Pirate Jenny? Haha cool. But I'll really miss periacta.

Hah. well I missed DianeDiane for a while, but then I completely forgot about her.

Chambers

09-19-2004, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by periacta
Hah. well I missed DianeDiane for a while, but then I completely forgot about her.

DianeDiane was a bitch.

ThirteenInchEscape

09-19-2004, 09:03 PM

lmao

Pirate Jenny

09-20-2004, 03:22 AM

More from "Toasting Cheers" and the coolness that is Bebe and awwww...my bird. is so. cute.
Awwwwwww. He loves me so much.
Right now he's attacking a reflection of himself on the shiny covering of a library book.

(i have challah bread)

Childhood

On December 31, 1959*, Beatrice "Bebe" Neuwirth was born in Newark, New Jersey, the daughter of Lee Paul and Sydney Anne Neuwirth. Her German-American father is a mathematician who taught periodically at Princeton University. He also worked for the Institute of Defense Analysis where he developed an encrypter ued to ensure information safety. Her Russian-American mother is a painter and a former amateur dancer with the Princeton Regional Ballet. Bebe's brother, Peter, is a Harvard University graduate and a mathematician currently workingas an actuary.
Bebe was raised in Princeton, New Jersey, and admits to being a problem child. Her days were filled with indolence and youthful disobedience**. Bebe's moderately wild adolescence included being arrested for smoking marijuana when she was 13 years old and coasting through school† (learning some French in the process). Her father agreed that raising Bebe was occasionally difficult because she was very independent, fierce, and determined. Her mother also remembers Bebe exerting independence through ballet. She was a willful little ballerina who would commence with a very graceful bourrée step and then radically shift to a jazz flourish final††.
At age fourm Bebe fondly remembers accompanying her mother to see The Nutcracker. She was mesmerized by the dancing and desperately wanted to begin ballet lessons. The following year, Bebe started ballet classes, and has danced onstage since age even. She always dreamed of becoming a ballet dancer, and the only other career she seriously contemplated was being a veterinarian‡
Unfortunately, at age 13 or 14 Bebe realized her ballerina dream would neveer materialize. Despite having a petite ballerina's body and being fast and light onstage, Bebe's level of strength and technique was limited, her training outside of New York restricted her development, and she definately had flat feet. Although crushed emotionally, she quickly found a comparable careeer in dance. When Bebe was 15 years old, she accompanied a friend to Manhattan to see Bob Fosse' musical Pippen‡‡. Yjr intriguing production helped Bebe realize that dancing was an attainable field of study. Although it could never replace ballet, the musical Pippen‡‡ helped Bebe make the stransition from ballet to Broadway.

Personal Life

Bebe is much more multifaceted then her austere character Lilith*, but describes herself in colors a shade closer--an innocent, very cerebral intellectual with limited social and interpersonal skills. Although she appears unapproachable and radiates callousness from behind a wall of reserve, Bebe is actually a loving, giving person.
ince her introduction to pottery by a costar in 1986, Bebe has immersed herself in this craft and continues taking lessons. She thoroughly enjoys pottery because she loves working with the earth to create personal masterpieces. Bebe eats from self made dishes, and around the home unabashedly displays her favorite creations--plates, pitchers, bowls, and vases. Besides this hobby, Bebe remains true to her trade by dancing daily, which has been her ritual since she was a child. In addition, he rarely drinks alcohol, though occasionally has champagne at an opening, anniversary, or birthday party.
As for her philosophy for a happy life, Bebe advocates following your heart** when pursuing individual interests and desires; and to avoid entrenchment in a lifestyle or occupation lacking personal satisfaction†. In other words, live your own life, and not the life of other people. According to Bebe, if you fail to be true to yourself and do not pursue your love, everything will be altered by choosing the wrong path. And she speaks from experience. Bebe does not want other people to sabotage their lives as she has had a tendency to do with her own††.

*I'm pretty sure they're making her a year younger than she actually is... imdb.com says Dec 31, 1958
**Sweet!
† This is bad?
†† Ooo...rebel!
‡ Is this...like, a universal thing that EVERY SINGLE little girl wants to be at some point? I know I did, until I got distracted by squid and decided that I wanted to be a marine biologist...until I got disgusted with all the girly girls who wanted to be marine biologists because they loved dolphins SOOO much and I changed my plans once again, but, that's not the point...
‡‡ Sic. It's supposed to be spelled "Pippin."
* No sh*t, sherlock, she's, you know, a real person.
** Oh good lord...
† Like say, a long running sitcom being filmed in one of the nations most godawful cities? Instead of being in the most ass kicking city, working in one of the most ass kicking professions ever?!
†† That actually explains a lot. Like "The Big Bounce." And "The Paint Job." And "Adventures of Pinocchio"...

Ok, I take back what I said about this being better than the Lilith biography. I just don't like how...maudlin and scripted and preachy and... ok, I just don't like this author.

But uh, go out and buy the book! So I don't get arrested for copyright violation! Yay Dennis A. Bjorklund!

More tomorrow.

Pirate Jenny

09-20-2004, 03:28 AM

edit. Far too goddamn tired to be doing this.

Moondance

09-20-2004, 01:45 PM

Thanks for the bio on Bebe - Periacta!

I haven't found anything about Bebe Neuwirth in Kelsey Grammer's autobiography called, "So Far..." He talked about Shelley Long, though.

Feen

Pirate Jenny

09-20-2004, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by Moondance
Thanks for the bio on Bebe - Periacta!

I'm not done with it, that was only, like, a page and a half of it...
*sigh*

Moondance

09-20-2004, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by periacta
I'm not done with it, that was only, like, a page and a half of it...
*sigh*

Oh...wow! OK, well I'm looking forward to reading more:D

What fans won't TYPE for their favorite Actor/Character;) Rock on!

Pirate Jenny

09-20-2004, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by Moondance
Oh...wow! OK, well I'm looking forward to reading more:D

What fans won't TYPE for their favorite Actor/Character;) Rock on!

Well, I'm not doing it happily...just out of grudging obligations to all you bastards.

You should feel loved.

Now, I have class to go to.

Moondance

09-20-2004, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by periacta
Well, I'm not doing it happily...just out of grudging obligations to all you bastards.

You should feel loved.

Now, I have class to go to.

In that case..... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v34/TroyandLindseyFan/TYTYTY.gif

And Periacta... http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/TroyandLindseyFan/bow.gif

Feen http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v34/TroyandLindseyFan/rose.gif

Chambers

09-20-2004, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by Moondance
Thanks for the bio on Bebe - Periacta!

I haven't found anything about Bebe Neuwirth in Kelsey Grammer's autobiography called, "So Far..." He talked about Shelley Long, though.

Feen

haha What nasty things did he say about her?

And yeah we love periacta.

Moondance

09-20-2004, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by Chambers
haha What nasty things did he say about her?

And yeah we love periacta.

Oh the same ole, same ole... he just talked about Shelley trying to get Frasier Crane off the show - http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/TroyandLindseyFan/blah.gif

I'll post quote for quote what he said tomorow!:D

Pirate Jenny

09-20-2004, 04:53 PM

You know what? I think I need a pirate's hat.
It'll help emphasize my authority as president. And demon bitch.
And renegade ass-kicking, fishnet and corset wearin' pirate, complete with parrot on her shoulder.

Moondance

09-20-2004, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by periacta
You know what? I think I need a pirate's hat.
It'll help emphasize my authority as president. And demon bitch.
And renegade ass-kicking, fishnet and corset wearin' pirate, complete with parrot on her shoulder.

Go out and buy a pirates hat - the stores are filled with'em! Some sorta holiday coming up...

Feen

Pirate Jenny

09-20-2004, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by Moondance
Go out and buy a pirates hat - the stores are filled with'em! Some sorta holiday coming up...

Feen

...oh yeah!
Dammit! That's just what I'm going to do!
Where would they be sold?
I want a good quality pirate's hat, none of that felt crap with a felt skull and crossbones glued on...
I want a HARDCORE pirate's hat!

Moondance

09-20-2004, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by periacta
...oh yeah!
Dammit! That's just what I'm going to do!
Where would they be sold?
I want a good quality pirate's hat, none of that felt crap with a felt skull and crossbones glued on...
I want a HARDCORE pirate's hat!

Try a costume shop - they have cheesy ones at Wal-Mart... I like the ones they sell at The Pirates of the Caribbean gift shop - at Disney World...

Pirate Jenny

09-20-2004, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by Moondance
Try a costume shop - they have cheesy ones at Wal-Mart... I like the ones they sell at The Pirates of the Caribbean gift shop - at Disney World...

Screw that, I'ma think BIG! I want a whole pirate costume!
But I want a cool one. Not a "oh look I'm a slutty pirate whore" costume, but a badass "wow, she's gonna kill us all, then flay us and use our skins to make a life raft...plus she's kinda hot" costume.
Do they make those?

Moondance

09-20-2004, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by periacta
Screw that, I'ma think BIG! I want a whole pirate costume!
But I want a cool one. Not a "oh look I'm a slutty pirate whore" costume, but a badass "wow, she's gonna kill us all, then flay us and use our skins to make a life raft...plus she's kinda hot" costume.
Do they make those?

You would have to steal a boat, go to sea, and kill an actual pirate for that...are you up for it?

Pirate Jenny

09-20-2004, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by Moondance
You would have to steal a boat, go to sea, and kill an actual pirate for that...are you up for it?

Add "go back in time" to that, most pirates today are the drug smuggling kind...and probably don't flay people anymore.

Other than that whole "cheating the space/time continuum" thing, I am so game for that.

I'd make the best pirate.

Hahaha! I just got Lotte Lenya singing Seerauberjenny ("Pirate Jenny" in German) on my computer.

Moondance

09-20-2004, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by periacta
Add "go back in time" to that, most pirates today are the drug smuggling kind...and probably don't flay people anymore.

Other than that whole "cheating the space/time continuum" thing, I am so game for that.

I'd make the best pirate.

Hahaha! I just got Lotte Lenya singing Seerauberjenny ("Pirate Jenny" in German) on my computer.

"Pirate Jenny" is a song?

Hey - if you're crafty, you could always make your own costume!

Pirate Jenny

09-20-2004, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by Moondance
"Pirate Jenny" is a song?

Hey - if you're crafty, you could always make your own costume!

YES Pirate Jenny is a song!
By Kurt Weill and Bertold Brecht! Surely you've heard of them?
Ah...you people are going to be the death of me!
Its about...let me see if I can find a good translation of the lyrics...there are a few different translations...
You lads see me wash the glasses, wipe the floors,
Make the beds, I'm the best of servants.
You can kindly throw me pennies and I'll thank you very much.
When you see me ragged and tattered in this dirty sh*t hotel,
You don't know in hell who's talking,
You still don't know in hell who's talking.
Yet one fine day there will be roars from the harbour
And you'll ask, "What is all that screeching for ?"
And you'll see me smiling as I dunk the glasses
And you'll say, "What's she got to smile at for ?"
And the ship, eight sails shining,
Fifty-five cannons wide, Sir,
Waits there at the quay.

You say, "Work on, wipe the glasses, my girl."
And just slip me a dirty six-pence.
And your pennies will be taken, and your beds will be made,
(But I doubt if forty winks will come anybody's way)
And you still don't know in hell who's talking,
You still don't know in hell who's talking.
Still one fine day there'll be a loud bang from the harbour,
And you'll ask, "Jesus Christ, what was that bang ?"
And you'll see me standing right behind the window,
And you'll say, "Why has she got the evil eye ?"
And the ship, eight sails shining,
Fifty-five cannons wide, Sir,
Will be aimed at this town.

So then lads, it's time for tears, no more laughs at the bar,
For the walls will be at your ankles.
And look out, lads, the town will be flat as the ground,
This dirty sh*t hotel will be spared wrack and ruin
And you'll say, "Who is the fancy bitch lives there ?"
You'll say, "Who is the fancy bitch lives there ?"
There'll be rows of people running round the hotel
And you'll ask, "Why should they have spared this hovel ?"
And you'll see me in the morning leaving lightly
And you'll say, "That one, her , she lived there ?"
The same ship, eight sails shining,
Fifty-five cannons wide, Sir,
Flies crossbones and skull.

In the midday sun a hundred men will step ashore
All tramping where shadows crawled.
They'll lay their hands on men, hiding sh*t-scared behind doors
Lead them in chains here before this silent woman,
And they'll say, "Well, which ones shall we kill ?"
They'll say, "Which ones shall we kill ?"
Come the dot of twelve, it will be still in the harbour,
When they ask me, "Well, who is going to die ?"
And you'll hear me whispering, oh, so sweetly, "All of them!"
And as the soft heads fall, I'll say, "Hoopla !"
That same ship, eight sails shining,
Fifty-five cannons wide, Sir,
Disappears with me.

The song is also inspiration for the wonderful (albiet very emotionally draining) movie "Dogville." It has Nicole Kidman, and it's pretty hard to get a hold of in America, I actually bought my copy in Denmark. But it is my favorite movie, though, like I said, it is REALLY depressing, and not something you can just watch and not, you know, think.

And, unfortunately, I am not crafty. At all.

Moondance

09-20-2004, 07:26 PM

That was an interesting song... Arr!

I'm not crafty either - just creative.

Petrie Malone

09-20-2004, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by periacta
Well, I'm not doing it happily...just out of grudging obligations to all you bastards.

You should feel loved.

Now, I have class to go to.

We love you, O Great President. :notworthy

I'm not having any luck with getting a new username... I emailed TJ a few days ago, and then PMed him yesterday and still haven't gotten an answer. I think I'm gonna be DickVanDykeMan forever.
And to those of you who are wondering, I'm gonna change my username to Petrie Malone. ;)

Pirate Jenny

09-20-2004, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by DickVanDykeMan
We love you, O Great President. :notworthy

I'm not having any luck with getting a new username... I emailed TJ a few days ago, and then PMed him yesterday and still haven't gotten an answer. I think I'm gonna be DickVanDykeMan forever.
And to those of you who are wondering, I'm gonna change my username to Petrie Malone. ;)

Yeah, I PMed him a few days ago too.

Is there a ::looking vaguely discontent:: smiley?

Moondance

09-20-2004, 07:37 PM

It takes a week or so before TJ grants your request - I thought I'd never become Moondance, but then ONE DAY - I was!

Petrie Malone

09-20-2004, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by Moondance
It takes a week or so before TJ grants your request - I thought I'd never become Moondance, but then ONE DAY - I was!

Who were you before Moondance?

Moondance

09-20-2004, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by DickVanDykeMan
Who were you before Moondance?

Princess Feenster

Pirate Jenny

09-21-2004, 01:58 AM

Meh.
I'm in a nasty mood.

Education and Career

In 1976 Bebe was accepted to study modern American dance at the prestigious Julliard School in New York City. She immediately hated the school and only lasted one year because there was absolutely no Broadway training. According to Bebe, the Julliard instructors denigrated Broadway as an artistic outlet ad fostered a stifling creative environment. Her parents supported her decision to leave Julliard and recommended that Bebe live in New York and aquire a degree from the school oh hard knocks. After leaving Julliard in 197, Bebe moved into a YWCA and enrolled in singing lessons and jazz classes.
Within a year, at age 18, Bebe landed a chorus spot in an international company production of A Chorus Line (1978-1981) and in 1980 performed the show on Broadway. Other musicals followed: West Side Story (1981), Little Me (1982), Upstairs at O'Neal's (1982-1983) and The Road to Hollywood (1984). Bebe was the principle dancer in Dancin' (1982) and the choreographer and lead dancer in Kicks (1984).
In 1985*, Bebe was in Los Angeles awaiting the commencement of her Tony award-winning role in Sweet Charity. Despite lacking acting experience in a play or stage comedy, she used spare time to audition for the one-time-only role of Dr. Lilith Sternin on "Cheers." Although Bebe never envisioned acting in a television series, she received the art. Irrespective of her reluctance to do television, Bebe resolved that playing Lilith was not much different than acting on the stage--it was just another character.
Dr. Lilith Sternin was first introduced to "Cheers" while on a date with Dr. Fraiser Crane. The entire evening was disastrous, and they parted ways, but not without indulging in outrageously humorous, intellectually acrimonious banter. Bebe's character perfectly compemented Frasier's self indugent pomposity, and the writers so throughly enjoyed writing her lines that Lilith was repeatedly reintroduced into the script. Thus, she returned the following season to debate Frasier on a televised psychology program during which their repressed physical attraction to one another manifested itself in discourse laced with sexual metaphors. In 1987 Bebe joined the populare television series as a recurring regular, playing the obdurate, sensual psychiatrist with the dour, deadpan delivery. In time she and Frasier luxuriated in cohabitation, marriage (with a brief separation after seven years), and parenthood.
Bebe was fond of her character's honesty and sincereity, and could relate to Lilith's innocence and social ignorance. She thought Lilith was incapable of anything malicious, and abhorred people classifying Lilith as a yuppie, because that had nothing to do with her persona. Lilith was a scientist with feelings, and if she appeared cool and hard, it was not intended.
Although Bebe played the robotic-voiced, ghostly compexioned psychiatrist for seven years, she left the cast as a regular at the beginning of the final season (though she returned briedly in 1993 for two guest appearances). A script was written for Lilith to have an affair and depart with her lover to live in an Ecopod. During her reign as the formidable doctor, Bebe earned two Emmy awards for Best Supporting Actress (1990, 1992).
Bebe claims to have left the show because it was time for a change, but emphasizes it was not based on discomfort with any cast members or the desire to entertain film or stage offers. Bebe saw her career as having a natural progression, and it seemed appropriate not to commit to another year on the show. Her lifelong goal has been to be a dancer, and since a dancer's career longevity is limited, Bebe wanted to be onstage and not forego another year's worth of performances.

*An all-around illustrious year.

That's all for tonight.
I lost my lip gloss today.

I feel lost without it.

Seriously, this is giving me serious dependancy issues.

Today was an all-around sh*tty day, and I need my lip gloss for comfort.

I am so not kidding, either.

Pirate Jenny

09-22-2004, 08:50 PM

I will be doing more Bebe tonight...now that I'm bedbound, I suppose that that's about all I can do. Though, for the most part, I'm too doped up to focus on single words...I mean, damn, it takes EFFORT!

So, I'll do that tonight, even though I don't think I got the thanks I was due for last time...

*growls*

Oh yeah, Barwars, I knighted ThirteenInchEscape...he's our knight against Rebecca Invasion...

Chambers

09-22-2004, 08:52 PM

Since when does a pirate get to knight people?

barwars

09-22-2004, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by Chambers
Since when does a pirate get to knight people?

my thoughts exactly.

Chambers

09-22-2004, 08:57 PM

Mutiny, anyone?

Pirate Jenny

09-22-2004, 09:03 PM

Since I'm the president pirate, that's when!
(And Demon Bitch, too)
You're going to mutiny while I'm all bedound and sick like this?

I thought I ruled you wisely?
And don't you think that we need someone to protect us against a massive Rebecca obsession?

I feel so betrayed.

Chambers

09-22-2004, 09:06 PM

I didn't say it was going to be a successful mutiny. I just think a mutiny here and there is necessary.

Pirate Jenny

09-22-2004, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by Chambers
I didn't say it was going to be a successful mutiny. I just think a mutiny here and there is necessary.

...oh. Can I join?

Chambers

09-22-2004, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by periacta
...oh. Can I join?

Ummmmmmmmmmmm no.
That would defeat the purpose.

ThirteenInchEscape

09-22-2004, 11:55 PM

as the Knight I must prevent this, after all, I am Periacta's personal guard

Chambers

09-23-2004, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by ThirteenInchEscape
as the Knight I must prevent this, after all, I am Periacta's personal guard

Hey...I thought you were my loyal servant - erm um - friend.

Pirate Jenny

09-23-2004, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by Chambers
Ummmmmmmmmmmm no.
That would defeat the purpose.

Don't mutinies with no intent of sucess already defeat the purpose?

I like ThirteenInchEscape...

Chambers

09-23-2004, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by periacta
Don't mutinies with no intent of sucess already defeat the purpose?

I like ThirteenInchEscape...

Uh well um - shut up.

ThirteenInchEscape

09-23-2004, 02:08 AM

There is only one girl that I have any interest in being at all loyal too anytime soon :eyes:

However, as the Knight of GLISFC, I feel the obligation to protect the current leader.

Pirate Jenny

09-23-2004, 04:46 AM

Aw...crap.
I'm not gonna get to the Bebe Bio tonight.
Sorry guys.
No, I have no excuse for myself.

Lets set tomorrow as an attainable goal.

Brian Damage

09-23-2004, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by ThirteenInchEscape
There is only one girl that I have any interest in being at all loyal too anytime soon :eyes:

However, as the Knight of GLISFC, I feel the obligation to protect the current leader.

Is someone smitten?

Pirate Jenny

09-23-2004, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by Brian Damage
Is someone smitten?

Yeah, he is...
You should hear him go on about this girl...

:rolleyes:

Well, I say we wish him luck.

Chambers

09-23-2004, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by periacta
Yeah, he is...
You should hear him go on about this girl...

:rolleyes:

Well, I say we wish him luck.

Oooh our first GLISFC soap opera! Is she anything like Lilith?

Moondance

09-23-2004, 04:50 PM

I'm interested in this soap opera romance!

ThirteenInchEscape

09-23-2004, 07:10 PM

certainly not a thing like Lilith...

I think I am seeing her Saturday, I am so excited!

Chambers

09-23-2004, 07:26 PM

Hmmm...who else thinks Thirteeninch is too well-adjusted to be in this club??

;)

Moondance

09-23-2004, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by Chambers
Hmmm...who else thinks Thirteeninch is too well-adjusted to be in this club??

;)

Some one is in http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v34/TroyandLindseyFan/heartbunche.gif!!

ThirteenInchEscape

09-23-2004, 07:59 PM

when the Heather thing turns south I will be less well adjusted, if it makes you feel better

though, I have never really been described as well adjusted

Pirate Jenny

09-23-2004, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by ThirteenInchEscape
I have never really been described as well adjusted

Well now you have.

Don't mind them, they're just bitter and jealous because they're lonely.

Screw that, so am I!

goddammit.

Moondance

09-23-2004, 08:16 PM

There's nothing wrong with being single - I'm my own boss;)

Pirate Jenny

09-23-2004, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by Moondance
There's nothing wrong with being single - I'm my own boss;)

Yes, there is a problem...

I'm NOBODY'S boss...:(

ThirteenInchEscape

09-23-2004, 08:27 PM

at any rate, i certainly wouldnt categorize myself as "In Love" I mean, I dont even know if she wants this to leave the realm of being physical, hopefully I shall find out soon...

I couldnt even tell you what i'd prefer

Chambers

09-23-2004, 08:29 PM

I'm not bitter. I actually enjoy turning guys down. But, yes, it would be nice to have somebody to boss around - yah know, if there didn't have to be a "relationship" invovled. Just somebody to yell at.

Chambers

09-23-2004, 08:42 PM

That's why Maris and Niles had the perfect marriage :).

ThirteenInchEscape

09-23-2004, 09:53 PM

has a guy you were interested in ever asked?

Chambers

09-23-2004, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by ThirteenInchEscape
has a guy you were interested in ever asked?

Never been interested in somebody long enough to want them to ask me. I haven't liked anybody since...gee, I can't remember.

Chambers

09-23-2004, 10:51 PM

Hey, people - we haven't talked about Lilith in a while. Maybe we should start giving her offerings or something.

Brian Damage

09-23-2004, 11:01 PM

...

ThirteenInchEscape

09-23-2004, 11:02 PM

I like it :)

Brian Damage

09-23-2004, 11:08 PM

barwars

09-23-2004, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by Brian Damage
*

What does that say on Carla's sweater??

(I think thats from the episode where Lilith snaps back at Carla)

Chambers

09-23-2004, 11:13 PM

Yes, very good offerings.

barwars

09-23-2004, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by Chambers
Hey, people - we haven't talked about Lilith in a while. Maybe we should start giving her offerings or something.

Who??

Chambers

09-23-2004, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by barwars
Who??

Britney Spears.
Worship her.

Brian Damage

09-23-2004, 11:16 PM

Brian Damage

09-23-2004, 11:17 PM

barwars

09-23-2004, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by Brian Damage
3

Is that a cigarette or a pen??

Smoking.... big turnoff.

Brian Damage

09-23-2004, 11:20 PM

cigarette

Chambers

09-23-2004, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by barwars
Is that a cigarette or a pen??

Smoking.... big turnoff.

That's why this is a LILITH club. Not a Bebe club. I love characters much more than the actors who play them.

barwars

09-23-2004, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by Chambers
That's why this is a LILITH club. Not a Bebe club. I love characters much more than the actors who play them.

We made a thread about the actors and actresses and who smoked and who didnt.... and I thought Bebe was the only one that came up "didnt"
But I guess Im wrong.
It could also been just for that character

Chambers

09-23-2004, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by barwars
We made a thread about the actors and actresses and who smoked and who didnt.... and I thought Bebe was the only one that came up "didnt"
But I guess Im wrong.
It could also been just for that character

No, I'm pretty sure she smokes...I think periacta said something about that once.

barwars

09-23-2004, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by Chambers
No, I'm pretty sure she smokes...I think periacta said something about that once.

I checked, I was wrong.... we figured out she did smoke.
John is the only one that doesnt. Well, and Kelsey now.

Chambers

09-23-2004, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by barwars
I checked, I was wrong.... we figured out she did smoke.
John is the only one that doesnt. Well, and Kelsey now.

In any case, she's aging pretty well for somebody who smokes.

ThirteenInchEscape

09-23-2004, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by barwars
Is that a cigarette or a pen??

Smoking.... big turnoff.

If you knew some of the girls I have met, you would retract that statement.

You would be like "...god I just plain dont care"

Chambers

09-23-2004, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by ThirteenInchEscape
If you knew some of the girls I have met, you would retract that statement.

You would be like "...god I just plain dont care"

I'm with barwars on this one. But I don't really care about smoking in movies because you can't smell it - but in real life it's gross...not to mention stupid. I stay away from people when they're smoking.

You should be more like Cliff:

Cliff: I have high standards for women.
Norm: Yeah, they have to like you.

Pirate Jenny

09-24-2004, 05:30 AM

All right, well, I had a number of things to say about, well, a number of things…but I remembered that I had to do this damn bio thing, and I keep. falling. asleep. So, I’ll just get a section of this out of the way before I lecture you. or something.
Hee. I have a baby birdie on my lap. He loves watching me do things on the computer. He also loves chewing on the keyboard keys…that’s a habit that’s going to have to stop.

You know, it’s been half an hour since I started this entry, and I haven’t even really “begun” begun, because I keep drifting off. Well, can’t type now, someone’s taking up the entire board and attacking my fingers in an immensely cute way.
You know, as long as we’re on the subject of birds (And we are, aren’t we?), I find it immensely creepy that he can turn his head around 180 degrees. I mean, the way he turns his back to you, and then STARES at you…*shudders*

Ok, OKAY!

Other Acting Endeavors

After leaving “Cheers” Bebe continued working on television. Besides involvement in M & M advertisements, she appeared in the television mini-series “Wild Palms” (1993). In 1994, Bebe revisited her role as Lilith by making guest appearances on the NBC hit sitcom “Frasier” (a “Cheers” spin-off) starring Kelsey Grammer. Lilith was reintroduced in “Frasier” because producers and writers wanted to provide a sense of closure to prove she and Frasier had both gone on with their lives. In the February 3, 1994, episode, Lilith shared a romantic evening with her ex-husband, which became the highest rated “Frasier” episode for the entire season.
The success of this episode prompted the producers to have Lilith return the following season for a two-part episode on November 15 and 22, 1994, in which she inadvertently met Frasier as he shared a romantic weekend on an island paradise with a new girlfriend. Frasier spent the remainder of the vacation trying to prove he was over Lilith and having a fabulous time. Once again, Bebe’s appearance was one of the highest rated “Frasier” episodes of the season, and she earned an Emmy nomination for Outstanding Guest Actress in a Comedy Series for her role.
During her time at “Cheers,” Bebe continued acting in feature films, mostly as a supporting actress. She had small roles in Say Anything (1989), Penny Ante (1990) and Pacific Heights (1990). In Green Card (1990), starring Andie MacDowell and Gerard Depardieu, Bebe has a larger role as an artsy, lusty friend, in a movie about a mutually fraudulent marriage arrangement designed to obtain a Manhattan apartment that only accepted married couples and to help a Frenchman become a United States citizen. Bebe received favourable reviews, and the movie was a critical and financial success.
The following year Bebe landed the roll of the well-heeled Countess di Frasso, who has an affair with mobster Benjamin “Bugsy” Siegal (Warren Beatty) in Bugsy (1991). This film documents the life of the notorious mobster whose desert casino* put Las Vegas on the map. Bebe performed admirably, and the movie received critical acclaim and numerous nominations and awards.
In Malice (1993), a mystery-thriller of murder, lust, and greed starring Alec Baldwin and Nicole Kidman, Bebe was praised for offering an excellent supporting role. The movie was moderately successful at the box office, and received mostly positive reviews. The same year, Bebe earned her only lead role to date in The Paint Job (1993), a black comedy and odd psychological thriller about an uninspired wife inexplicably attracted to a neighbour. The movie was a financial failure and received mix reviews.**
Bebe also appeared in Jumanji (1995). In this film, starring Robin Williams, a young boy is engulfed within an ancient, magical jungle board game, and when he returns to reality 26 years later, the jungle follows him. The following year she appeared in two feature films, The Adventures of Pinocchio (1996) and The Associate (19996).
Despite appearances in several films, Bebe has concentrated primarily on the stage. In 1986, she won a Tony award for best Supporting Actress in a Musical for portraying a tough-tootsie dancer in the revival of Sweet Charity. Bebe subsequently appeared in Showing Off (1989) and Chicago (1992). When her “Cheers” role ended, Bebe assumed Chita Rivera’s role in the London West End production of Kiss of the Spider Woman (1993).
In March 1994 Bebe starred in the Broadway production Damn Yankees. It was the first Broadway revival of the 1955 musical about a middle-aged real estate man who sells his soul to the devil to regain his youth as a baseball hero for the Washington Senators†. The reborn hero wants to return to his wife, so the devil sends chief seductress Lola (Neuwirth) to lead him astray. Although much leaner and sultrier than Gwen Verdon in the 1955 version, Bebe sported a short and sassy platinum-blonde wig, making her the physical opposite of her popular characterization of Lilith. She received mostly favorable reviews, despite giving a performance decidedly inferior to the original.
In her latest Broadway production, Pal Joey (1995), Bebe has a supporting role as Melba Snyder, and not only sang, but also did a modified striptease. Reviews were praiseworthy for this revival of the 1940 version.

Relationships—Romantic

Bebe was married for seven (mostly unhappy) years to occasional theater director Paul Dorman. They met in New York City in 1982. Dorman was a bartender at O’Neal’s restaurant, and Bebe was there performing in a cabaret revue. In 1984, they married in Bebe’s hometown, and after seven years the relationship ended in divorce.
Bebe’s latest paramour, an actor and writer, qualified for a tryout as an Olympic pole-vaulter. He has taught skiing, studies martial arts, and is an Eagle Scout, Order of the Arrow††. They met during A Chorus Line (1978) and remained friendly acquaintances for about 13 years before he asked her for a date (the first time she had ever been asked out on a date‡). The two are now taking their relationship slowly and enjoying each other’s company, with no immediate plans for marriage or children.

Future

Since she never felt comfortable in Los Angeles, Bebe has permanently relocated to New York City with her cat, Frankie (named after Frank Lloyd Wright). Bebe is delighted with her achievements onstage and in films, and will continue to emphasize this aspect of her career. In addition, she has left the door open to reappear in subsequent “Frasier” episodes to reprise her Lilith role. Bebe’s ultimate goal is to do quality work with quality people, regardless of whether it is a production on Broadway or in a small theatre.

*That would be The Flamingo, by the way, and as it so happens, one of my major cross streets is Flamingo Blvd. The casino is seriously, just two miles down the street.
** I happen to own this movie, and…no comment. I’ll just quote something Tori Amos said when asked about a really stupid song she wrote when she was 14, I think it applies in this case, too…”For all the musicians out there, if you think you've done something f*cking horrible, disgusting, that you never want heard…believe me, it will get heard." Not saying The Paint Job is disgusting, but…well, I know I blush whenever the name is mentioned…and I wasn’t even in it!
† You know, I don’t know why this just occurred to me, seeing as how I’ve been familiar with this musical for years and years and years…but that is a really, REALLY stupid premise for a story.
†† What? Is that like…a boy scout or something?
‡ Aww…all of a sudden, I feel a little less of a loser. This just proves that boys have no taste, if it takes THIS long.

And that’s all. Well, minus a list of her acting credits. But I’m not typing that out.

Pirate Jenny

09-24-2004, 05:47 AM

Now, my say on this smoking thing...

first off:
Originally posted by Chambers
No, I'm pretty sure she smokes...I think periacta said something about that once.
1. And what, are we just blindly taking periacta at her word? Just because she's the president, and a wise one (albeit without wisdom teeth), doesn't mean that you have to take everything she says at face value. How do you know she's not just making things up simply to further her causes? Hey. It's been known to happen...
I think you should ask the Village Elder, when it comes to these issues.
2. But yeah, I do think she does.
3. As for the opinions about smoking, lets keep some things in mind.
a. it's an addiction, and not always a welcome one.
b. let's look at this sociologically. As we all know, the act of self destruction can be very empowering in its own way, and cigarette smoking happens to be one of the only ways that one can manifest this behaviour in a legal and socially acceptable way. I'm not saying that it's GOOD to do such a thing, I'm just saying that it's just along the same lines as, say an eating disorder, or self mutilation, so let's keep that in mind.
c. you're right though, it can be gross to be around people who are smoking. Fortunately, there's a pretty good chance that Bebe will never smoke around you.

Now, I don't want to sound all "Yay smoking!" or all "you can't be mad at someone for smoking," because that's not what I'm getting at. My grandmother died due to lung cancer caused by a lifetime of smoking...but I have also fallen into this trap more than once. Yes, it's a disgusting habit, but let's try to understand it, before we judge it.

and now, my offering...

Chambers

09-24-2004, 10:09 AM

Well I'm not actually judging the person - I'm judging the habit. I just don't like it when people smoke in my presence - especially without asking first.

ThirteenInchEscape

09-24-2004, 11:53 AM

When you are in a conversation with someone they tend to ask before lighting a cigarette, but it still doesnt bother me either way.

I mean, I guess I would prefer a girl who didnt smoke, but it certainly isnt anywhere near the top of a list of things I care about

Pirate Jenny

09-24-2004, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by Chambers
Well I'm not actually judging the person - I'm judging the habit. I just don't like it when people smoke in my presence - especially without asking first.

Um. So do I. I tend to bitch about them later behind their backs. I just, I don't know, either
a. felt like I needed to bring up another side
b. wanted to get my two cents in
c. just wanted to hear myself talk.
Which is pretty much the same as "B", anyway.

Anyway, I had something more articulate to say here, but...

eh.

Chambers

09-24-2004, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by periacta

a. felt like I needed to bring up another side
b. wanted to get my two cents in
c. just wanted to hear myself talk.
Which is pretty much the same as "B", anyway.

You made a very valid point.

Pirate Jenny

09-24-2004, 12:48 PM

...and I just noticed that Microsoft Word messed up the apostrophes in my Bebe bio...

...f*ck.

I'll fix that later.

barwars

09-24-2004, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by ThirteenInchEscape
If you knew some of the girls I have met, you would retract that statement.

You would be like "...god I just plain dont care"

I know plenty of girls who I find attractive, with good personalities.... but I just dont like smoking.

The cigarette smoke irritates.... so why would I want to be with someone that smokes??

Im not saying smoking makes you a lesser person.... its just I dont care for it.

Pirate Jenny

09-24-2004, 01:48 PM

Well, now the bio is fine, but before...I swear, all the apostrophes were replaced with "?"s.
I'm NOT going crazy.
I understand your point, barwars, and it is a logical one.
Hopefully Bebe will never light up in your presence. If she does, you can tell her off, and I can run for cover.

There was some other chick in this picture, but I cut her out...

Moondance

09-24-2004, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by Chambers
I'm with barwars on this one. But I don't really care about smoking in movies because you can't smell it - but in real life it's gross...not to mention stupid. I stay away from people when they're smoking.

You should be more like Cliff:

Cliff: I have high standards for women.
Norm: Yeah, they have to like you.

I stay away from smokers, too - it's disgusting! I'm allergic to cigerette smoke - it does not make me feel good to sneeze and get headaches:(

:mad:

barwars

09-24-2004, 03:51 PM

HOLY F*CK!!

BEBE NEUWIRTH JOINS THE CAST OF Law & Order: Trial By Jury!!

Chambers

09-24-2004, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by barwars
HOLY F*CK!!

BEBE NEUWIRTH JOINS THE CAST OF Law & Order: Trial By Jury!!

OMG
Wasn't that the one John Mahoney was going to join???

Moondance

09-24-2004, 03:58 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v34/TroyandLindseyFan/redbounce.gif - This is GRRREAT news!!!!

barwars

09-24-2004, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by Chambers
OMG
Wasn't that the one John Mahoney was going to join???

Yes, that's the one.
Im sure this is even better news for Thirteen.... I know he's a L&O fan already.
I think he may still be in it.

Moondance

09-24-2004, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by Chambers
OMG
Wasn't that the one John Mahoney was going to join???

Yes it was!!! http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/TroyandLindseyFan/yay.gif

I used to watch L&O for a while!

barwars

09-24-2004, 04:05 PM

I did a little search on it, I supposse John Mahoney will have a recurring role.
Hopefully some jokes will be made about Frasier

Chambers

09-24-2004, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by barwars
I did a little search on it, I supposse John Mahoney will have a recurring role.
Hopefully some jokes will be made about Frasier

Do they even have jokes on L&O? But yeah that would be cool.

Moondance

09-24-2004, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by Chambers
Do they even have jokes on L&O? But yeah that would be cool.

I thought that was a serious drama...

Last night I watched one heckuva serious primetime drama called "Without a Trace...."

Chambers

09-24-2004, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by Moondance
I thought that was a serious drama...

Like most dramas, they do have some jokes - if you could even call them jokes. But then again, I've only seen it a few times.

barwars

09-24-2004, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by Moondance
I thought that was a serious drama...

Last night I watched one heckuva serious primetime drama called "Without a Trace...."

I like Without a Trace a lot more than CSI.... mainly because, well, Simon Moon.

Moondance

09-24-2004, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by barwars
I like Without a Trace a lot more than CSI.... mainly because, well, Simon Moon.

He's a really good actor! Simon might be Daphne's least favorite brother, but he's the funniest!! HAHAHA!

Though, the actor, Anthony LaPaglia, is amazing at his craft!

Feen

barwars

09-24-2004, 04:40 PM

Lilith is cooler than being bored.

Translation.... biggest thread on the board.

Pirate Jenny

09-24-2004, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by barwars
Lilith is cooler than being bored.

Translation.... biggest thread on the board.

Damn, we rock!

And this Law and Order thing...this is on regular tv?
Not cable???

barwars

09-24-2004, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by periacta
And this Law and Order thing...this is on regular tv?

Yup, NBC.
Although, Trial By Jury won't premiere until mid-season.

Moondance

09-24-2004, 04:48 PM

Haha! Lilith is cooler!

Chambers

09-24-2004, 04:53 PM

Well we still need two other sequels to this thread to beat bored. But still, we're damn cool.

Pirate Jenny

09-24-2004, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by barwars
Yup, NBC.
Although, Trial By Jury won't premiere until mid-season.

Mid-Season, thats...January?
I can wait.
Oh man, I was so excited when barwars said that, that I ran downstairs to tell my mum...
Unfortunately, I'm still very weak from the meds, so I sorta only ran down the first few stairs, and gravity pulled me down the last half...on my ass.
Mom was like "Oh my god, are you ok?!" and I was like "BEBE'S GONNA BE ON LAW AND ORDER!!!!!"
and she was like...
"Oh."

Pirate Jenny

09-24-2004, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by Chambers
Well we still need two other sequels to this thread to beat bored. But still, we're damn cool.

Shhh.
Pessimist.
We are totally a Cheers Board Phenomenon!

barwars

09-24-2004, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by Chambers
Well we still need two other sequels to this thread to beat bored. But still, we're damn cool.

Actually, that is the 7th "bored" thread

The bored peoples post (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?threadid=68430&highlight=bored+peoples)

The NEW bored peoples post (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?threadid=81459&highlight=bored+peoples)

Bored People's post Part 3 (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?threadid=85656&highlight=bored+peoples)

The Post Where You're So Bored.... You'd Listen to Cliff (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?threadid=90143&highlight=bored+peoples)

It's a little known fact that I'm bored! (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?threadid=96442&highlight=bored+peoples)

It's a little known fact that I'm bored II (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?threadid=110576&highlight=bored+peoples)

and....

It's a little known fact that I'm bored III (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?threadid=119661&highlight=bored+peoples)

Moondance

09-24-2004, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by barwars
Actually, that is the 7th "bored" thread

The bored peoples post (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?threadid=68430&highlight=bored+peoples)

The NEW bored peoples post (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?threadid=81459&highlight=bored+peoples)

Bored People's post Part 3 (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?threadid=85656&highlight=bored+peoples)

The Post Where You're So Bored.... You'd Listen to Cliff (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?threadid=90143&highlight=bored+peoples)

It's a little known fact that I'm bored! (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?threadid=96442&highlight=bored+peoples)

It's a little known fact that I'm bored II (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?threadid=110576&highlight=bored+peoples)

and....

It's a little known fact that I'm bored III (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?threadid=119661&highlight=bored+peoples)

Yes, well, Lilith is still #1 cool mama!:D And her thread is the MOST popular! :lol:

Petrie Malone

09-24-2004, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by barwars
Actually, that is the 7th "bored" thread

The bored peoples post (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?threadid=68430&highlight=bored+peoples)

The NEW bored peoples post (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?threadid=81459&highlight=bored+peoples)

Bored People's post Part 3 (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?threadid=85656&highlight=bored+peoples)

The Post Where You're So Bored.... You'd Listen to Cliff (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?threadid=90143&highlight=bored+peoples)

It's a little known fact that I'm bored! (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?threadid=96442&highlight=bored+peoples)

It's a little known fact that I'm bored II (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?threadid=110576&highlight=bored+peoples)

and....

It's a little known fact that I'm bored III (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?threadid=119661&highlight=bored+peoples)

Holy crap!! GLISFC is 6 threads behind. Well.... actually we're not if you count all the threads we posted to attack other boards.

Still, we need more Lilith threads!

ThirteenInchEscape

09-24-2004, 05:42 PM

Fortunately, Jerry Orbach, in his great role of Lenny Briscoe will be on the show, and he is famous for his wisecracks, but they dont normally joke about TV shows

Though there was an episode where Briscoe said, "It is that damn show The Sopranos, makes them all think they can get away with it"

Most of the jokes are just kind of dry humor relating to the crime, which may seem kind of innappropriate, but you know, when you are out there day after day you must stay a bitch detached.

edit: BTW, Barwars, do you have a source, I cant find one anywhere?

ThirteenInchEscape

09-24-2004, 06:03 PM

I should really look into searching Google News instead of just plain google when I want well...news

http://www.playbill.com/news/article/88624.html

barwars

09-24-2004, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by ThirteenInchEscape
I should really look into searching Google News instead of just plain google when I want well...news

http://www.playbill.com/news/article/88624.html

I found out through thefutoncritic (www.thefutoncritic.com)

Pirate Jenny

09-24-2004, 06:10 PM

Dulcineah1

09-24-2004, 07:30 PM

I'm a little late on this one, but I've been at class and arguing with financial aid to get my money (got it, FINALLY, after three weeks).

First of all, YAY for Bebe being on Law and Order!! While she is amazing on stage and there's nothing like seeing her perform live, it requires a large effort on my part in order to get to see her even once, whereas when she's a regular on a TV series I'll get to see her every week just by turning on my TV.

As for the smoking question, yeah, I'm pretty positive that she smokes. She's smoked in a lot of roles she's had, The Associate, Celebrity, Tadpole, Getting To Know You, and she smoked in Chicago and Everett Beekin, and I'm sure I'm leaving out several more. I'm not too surprised--apparently a lot of dancers smoke because it keeps their weight down. But whether she smokes or not, she's still kicka$$ because, well, she's Bebe.

barwars

09-24-2004, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by Dulcineah1
But whether she smokes or not, she's still kicka$$ because, well, she's Bebe.

Exactly

Brian Damage

09-24-2004, 11:21 PM

I'm a bit surprised that she is going to do another series. I thought she kinda wanted to get away from television.

barwars

09-24-2004, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by Brian Damage
I'm a bit surprised that she is going to do another series. I thought she kinda wanted to get away from television.

Could've been Lilith.

Brian Damage

09-25-2004, 12:02 PM

I would've much preferred a Frasier spinoff entitled "Lilith." That would've been fantastic.

ThirteenInchEscape

09-25-2004, 12:18 PM

they should have had them get remarried :loveya:

hey...it happens

Pirate Jenny

09-25-2004, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by Brian Damage
I would've much preferred a Frasier spinoff entitled "Lilith." That would've been fantastic.

*looks around her new screename surroundings*

Yes.
It is good.

barwars, can you change the first post in in this thread? We wouldn't want someone thinking that this "periacta" chick who never shows up anymore has more power than ME!

I think we are all saddened at the missed brilliance and hilarity of a "Lilith" show...
So we make do with what we can.

My mouth hurts. so much.
My mom (Who is keeping tight control over my pain meds) gave me the wrong pills last night, instead of my Lortab, she gave me a super-big perscription strength ibuprofen, which looks remarkably like my Lortab--and two over the counter advil.
Yes, can you say major overdose of Ibuprofen (I think it was 1000 mg all together)...plus no pain relief or happy feeling?
Not good.

Brian Damage

09-25-2004, 12:27 PM

There, I changed the first page for you.

ThirteenInchEscape

09-25-2004, 12:32 PM

Periacta is still listed as president

oh, and make me the GLISFC Knight

Pirate Jenny

09-25-2004, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by ThirteenInchEscape
Periacta is still listed as president

oh, and make me the GLISFC Knight

...yeah.

And will barwars be ok with you changing his post?

(I just don't want you to get in "trouble")

Brian Damage

09-25-2004, 12:44 PM

I'm just making some subtle adjustments. Now if I were to change the title to God, Lilith is so f*cking pretensious or something like that, I could understand the anger. ;)

Pirate Jenny

09-25-2004, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by Brian Damage
I'm just making some subtle adjustments. Now if I were to change the title to God, Lilith is so f*cking pretensious or something like that, I could understand the anger. ;)

...ok.
I just don't want the Wrath of Barwars...

Brian Damage

09-25-2004, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by Pirate Jenny
...ok.
I just don't want the Wrath of Barwars...

as Tim would say, that's barwars

Pirate Jenny

09-25-2004, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by Brian Damage
as Tim would say, that's barwars

You know, I actually thought of that...but I thought it looked better that way, what with the capitalised "W" in "wrath" and all...

Chambers

09-25-2004, 03:07 PM

Pirate Jenny....cool.

Petrie Malone

09-25-2004, 03:31 PM

Can someone change DickVanDykeMan on the first page to Petrie Malone? Thanks!

Kurt

Brian Damage

09-25-2004, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by Petrie Malone
Can someone change DickVanDykeMan on the first page to Petrie Malone? Thanks!

Kurt

Done

barwars

09-25-2004, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by Brian Damage
as Tim would say, that's barwars

damn straight

anyways, Im liking the new screennames.

Pirate Jenny

09-25-2004, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by barwars
damn straight

anyways, Im liking the new screennames.

*hangs head*
Sorry barwars.

I'm liking my new screen name, too. I need to get a pirate hat and wear it at a rakish angle. And fishnets...well, I already have those, but I'm not wearing them. Nor do I have any intention of putting them on.
But I SHOULD.

Hypothetically.

Pirate Jenny

09-26-2004, 11:39 AM

We should get something done today.

...what should we do?

Chambers

09-26-2004, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by Pirate Jenny
We should get something done today.

...what should we do?

Can we have a favorite sitcom characters convention??
Wouldn't that be cool? Over at the general sitcoms board or something. We could assign days for each sitcom board that wants to participate and give lectures about the characters or just Lilith. And everybody is going to have to wear suits with pirate hats.

Pirate Jenny

09-26-2004, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by Chambers
Can we have a favorite sitcom characters convention??
Wouldn't that be cool? Over at the general sitcoms board or something. We could assign days for each sitcom board that wants to participate and give lectures about the characters or just Lilith. And everybody is going to have to wear suits with pirate hats.

Goddamn, I like that idea. Especially the dresscode.
But would that involve...talking to other people on the General Sitcoms board?
People...I don't know?

Oh, and by the way, this has to be said.
Dulcey is the best Head Storyteller this club has ever had.
Last night, when I was in a crappy mood, she stayed up with me and told me all sorts of cool Bebe related stories. Although some of them did keep me awake the rest of the night, with a dresser pushed in front of my door...because obsessive stalker people make me lose faith in the entire human race...

Still and all...well, have you ever seen that common sculpture made by (i believe) the Jemez Pueblo tribe here in the southwest, of a storyteller, with like a kajillion kids crawling all over him/her?
That's what Dulcey reminds me of.

We need to make a big rug so we can all sit in a circle around her. Cause I don't think we'd ALL fit in her lap.

ThirteenInchEscape

09-26-2004, 11:59 AM

dont tell Chambers, they may scare her, stalkers arent something she takes lightly

and it's ok, my saturday night didnt deliver what it promised either

Pirate Jenny

09-26-2004, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by ThirteenInchEscape

and it's ok, my saturday night didnt deliver what it promised either

I know. Sorry about that, dude.
I feel for ya.

Petrie Malone

09-26-2004, 05:16 PM

Pirate Jenny

09-27-2004, 11:54 PM

Lilith doesn't like being on the bottom. ;)

Anyone seen any good Lilith moments lately?

barwars

09-27-2004, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by Pirate Jenny
Lilith doesn't like being on the bottom. ;)

Anyone seen any good Lilith moments lately?

I havent seen any moments lately.
Im in withdrawal.

Pirate Jenny

09-28-2004, 12:05 AM

Ok, so, apropos of nothing, really...
I'm getting a Lilith necklace!

Pirate Jenny

09-28-2004, 12:22 AM

It looks like this
http://www.whisperedprayers.net/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/Necklace_Pewter_Lilith_FV.gif

I think its very cool.
You should all be impressed.

Chambers

09-28-2004, 12:28 AM

Originally posted by Pirate Jenny
It looks like this
http://www.whisperedprayers.net/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/Necklace_Pewter_Lilith_FV.gif

I think its very cool.
You should all be impressed.

That's very symbolic.

Pirate Jenny

09-28-2004, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by Chambers
That's very symbolic.

I think that's the point.

ThirteenInchEscape

09-28-2004, 12:45 AM

I've been going to bed somewhat early recently, and the brady bunch marathon prevented me from seeing Cheers this weekend

the last Lilith moment I saw was the bachelor auction episode on Tuesday night

Brian Damage

09-28-2004, 10:32 AM

The last thing I saw Lilith related was clips of her failed pilot Dear Diary.

Brian Damage

09-28-2004, 10:34 AM

Actually that was more along the lines of Bebe related, but you got the picture.

Moondance

09-28-2004, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by ThirteenInchEscape
I've been going to bed somewhat early recently, and the brady bunch marathon prevented me from seeing Cheers this weekend

the last Lilith moment I saw was the bachelor auction episode on Tuesday night

:lol: I loved the bachelor auction episode!!! Lilith went through all that trouble just so Frasier would come rescue her... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v34/TroyandLindseyFan/heartbunche.gif

BTW, Pirate Jenny and Petrie Malone - http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/TroyandLindseyFan/congrats.gif - on the successful name change! Looks good on you both!

Feen

Moondance

09-29-2004, 06:16 PM

So this morning I taped Bebe Neuwirth on "Isaac Mizrahi Show" and wrote out the entire 7 minutes interaction! It took me 3 hours to complete - I don't have time to type it out today (my hand hurts, BTW - I think I sprained my THUMB)

HIGHLIGHTS on BEBE NEUWIRTH

She's a Capricorn.

She doesn't like to shop.

She loves Japanese esthetic.

She's Jewish (I'm only saying this cause Isaac was shocked!)

Shoes Bebe Wears on a regular basis: Sneakers and Cowboy boots

Bebe quote about boots:

"When you see me in cowboy boots at a screening and I'm all dolled up and I've got my cowboy boots on, that's so I don't get migranes."

Bebe's not used to 3 inch heels.

She hates pedicures.

Quote about her feet:

"Well, they're pretty unattractive if you get up close."

Bebe can't turn out her feet.

Quote:

"That's why I'm not a ballet dancer, because I didn't have a very good turn out."

Bebe's favorite work:

"Sweet Charity was a very big deal."

Lilith Exposed:

Isaac: Like, I'm sorry to say this but, like, Lilith is the funniest thing in the world.

Bebe: Yeah, she's funny. (mind you, Bebe is NOT smiling)

Isaac: She's a scream.

Bebe: Yeah, she's funny.

Isaac: Why don't you love doing that?

Bebe: I just was not comfortable working in a situation comedy medium. I felt like I was a fish out of water or a plant in the wrong soil, you know, I just - (Bebe tries to change the subject] These are cool. (about the shoes)

Isaac: A) You were heaven, right? You were heaven on that show, and B) It's like, you never have to work again or something.

Bebe: Uh, no. That's not true.

Isaac: No?

Bebe: These were the days before Friends.

And lastly, Isaac Mizrahi said this when Bebe left:

"It was a good day, right? Well, you know, Bebe Neuwirth, how could you go wrong, right?"

**I'll type out the full transcript when I have more time**

Chambers

09-29-2004, 06:53 PM

Cool!!
And isn't that guy a fashion designer or something?

Pirate Jenny

09-29-2004, 07:43 PM

*squeaks*
I'm eagerly awaiting the transcript, Feen...

Man that just reminds me of what a sh*tty ballet dancer I was. I got turned off of dance for YEARS because I had a completely EVIL ballet teacher, who, along with making fun of my turn-out, was really, really good in encouraging anorexia in teenage girls...yay. Thank you, Mrs. Putti. My 13-year-old cousin is going en pointe this summer, and I am SOOOO bitter.

(I get migraines, too. heh)

On another note, I just took my first graduate level exam today...
That I didn't know about till about 1 this afternoon...

Chambers

09-29-2004, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by Pirate Jenny
*squeaks*
I'm eagerly awaiting the transcript, Feen...

Man that just reminds me of what a sh*tty ballet dancer I was. I got turned off of dance for YEARS because I had a completely EVIL ballet teacher, who, along with making fun of my turn-out, was really, really good in encouraging anorexia in teenage girls...yay. Thank you, Mrs. Putti. My 13-year-old cousin is going en pointe this summer, and I am SOOOO bitter.

(I get migraines, too. heh)

On another note, I just took my first graduate level exam today...
That I didn't know about till about 1 this afternoon...

You're taking a graduate course? Which one?

Mrs. Putti...is she the product of generations of whores? Hehe, her name just struck me as funny.

I did some ballet in 11th grade instead of doing PE in school - the teacher said I had ideal feet and legs for it - but, alas, I never stuck with it when I was little. After one semester of that, I decided PE required a lot less effort.

Pirate Jenny

09-29-2004, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by Chambers
You're taking a graduate course? Which one?

Mrs. Putti...is she the product of generations of whores? Hehe, her name just struck me as funny.

I did some ballet in 11th grade instead of doing PE in school - the teacher said I had ideal feet and legs for it - but, alas, I never stuck with it when I was little. After one semester of that, I decided PE required a lot less effort.

Yes, her name was funny. I was thinking, though, as I was walking through campus...I never told you the end of the story...
A year after I left, she got fired. I don't know why, I'd like to think that either the faculty noticed the inordinate number of dance majors passing out in classes for lack of food, or maybe the toilets in the dance department backed up from all the vomit...and they got a clue. Anyway, that was satisfying enough in itself...but not satisfying enough, because she had a second job...she was a dancer for the Sigfried and Roy show...and after Roy was gnawed on by that tiger, the show was disbanded, and all the performers were layed off.

He. He. He.

as for the graduate course, Chambers, it's my Sociology of Drug Use and Abuse. It's SOC 681, I think...but they let me take it anyway, they said they'll just count it as an undergrad credit for me.

Pirate Jenny

09-30-2004, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by Moondance

HIGHLIGHTS on BEBE NEUWIRTH

She's a Capricorn.

She doesn't like to shop.

She loves Japanese esthetic.

She's Jewish (I'm only saying this cause Isaac was shocked!)

Shoes Bebe Wears on a regular basis: Sneakers and Cowboy boots

Bebe quote about boots:

"When you see me in cowboy boots at a screening and I'm all dolled up and I've got my cowboy boots on, that's so I don't get migranes."

Bebe's not used to 3 inch heels.

She hates pedicures.

Quote about her feet:

"Well, they're pretty unattractive if you get up close."

Bebe can't turn out her feet.

Quote:

"That's why I'm not a ballet dancer, because I didn't have a very good turn out."

Bebe's favorite work:

"Sweet Charity was a very big deal."

*nods*
Yeah, shopping blows so much. ****in hate it. (Unless I'm in a bookstore.)
Jews are cool.

Uh...Bebe? They have medication for migraines, you know. I'm on it. Periactin. Works well. But hey...maybe boots do too.

And that Japan thing? Ew.
I'm still boycotting that entire country for that anime thing.
Except for the kimono my aunt bought me in Kyoto. I like that. Mostly cause I still resent having to wear clothes in public, and I avoid it at all costs when at home. So the kimono works well for that. It apparently had the characters for "happiness" all over it. There's a huge ****ing clue. She gave me that, and a whole bunch of Geisha stuff...hm...

Chambers

09-30-2004, 01:36 AM

haha i'm sure she's not talking about Japanese popular culture - because yeah ew. But I'm also a big fan of the Japanese aesthetic - their architecture, their art, all their good ancient stuff. Even if they did rip off the Chinese, they made it all look nicer.

Pirate Jenny

09-30-2004, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by Chambers
haha i'm sure she's not talking about Japanese popular culture - because yeah ew. But I'm also a big fan of the Japanese aesthetic - their architecture, their art, all their good ancient stuff. Even if they did rip off the Chinese, they made it all look nicer.

But it's so much easier to just blame the whole country...

*sigh*
I guess you're right.
I wish I knew calligraphy.

Moondance

09-30-2004, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by Pirate Jenny
But it's so much easier to just blame the whole country...

*sigh*
I guess you're right.
I wish I knew calligraphy.

I have a calligraphy book, so I'm learning. It's not TOO difficult...haha!

Chambers

10-01-2004, 01:12 PM

I'm sitting here reading about Artemisia's Judith paintings, and I realized two things:

There seem to be a lot of Jewish women who serve as icons of female liberation. Who do we Catholics have? I can't think of anybody - except maybe crazy old Joan of Arc. Oh, but she wasn't biblical.

And the other thing I realized is that art history scholars sure are interested in artists' sexual perversions.

Pirate Jenny

10-01-2004, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by Chambers
I'm sitting here reading about Artemisia's Judith paintings, and I realized two things:

There seem to be a lot of Jewish women who serve as icons of female liberation. Who do we Catholics have? I can't think of anybody - except maybe crazy old Joan of Arc. Oh, but she wasn't biblical.

And the other thing I realized is that art history scholars sure are interested in artists' sexual perversions.

Well we (the Jews) do have a bit of a precedent set. ;)

Correction: Crazy young Jeanne D'Arc.

Anyway, this is how I see it.
As I'm sure you've noticed, the Catholic God (God of the New Testament) is vastly different from the God of the Jews. We may be the Chosen People, but He certainly doesn't give us any slack. OT God, while identified as "just" (That's up to the individual on how just He actually was, but we won't go into it here), was vengeful and angry, he let no transgression go un-noticed. NT God, on the other hand, is loving, understanding, and forgiving. He is easier for humans to relate to, literally, more human.
An angry, inaccessible, threatening, eye-for-an-eye God tends to breed contempt, and, ultimately revolt, and while woman's lib isn't exactly against men, there may be either an association of men with a greater opressor (I mean, come on, it's pretty obvious who the Big G's favorite gender is), or just a tendency of "hell, if we're questioning this, why not some of the other injustices in our life?"
One interesting thing is, as far as I've observed, this phenomenon tends to be limited to jewish women. Jewish men tend to take God at His word (perhaps because His word is to their advantage).

Anyway, that's my take on it.

As for artist's sexual perversions...Dali is the king of them ALL.