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barwars · 08-20-2004, 03:50 PM

Permitted by invite only.

As it read on Cheers and as it will always be....
"This is a Square House. Please report any un-fairness to the proprietor."

Just plain perfect.

Pirate Jenny's Ground Rules:
1. This is NOT a Frith club. If you are a Frith, knock yourself out. Enjoy yourself. Go buy yourself an ice cream cone. But we're talkin' about an individual here, not a couple.
2. Everyone is required to know the story of the Original Lilith, if only because it's so cool.
3. Swearing is fine (As far as sitcomsonline.com will let us) but don't be vulgar. I can't think of anything more abhorrant than vulgarity.
4. If you come across anything interesting related to Lilith, tell us about it!
5. There is a difference between being honest and being just plain mean. Be the former, never the latter. Never hurt a person out of spite, but feel free to tell them what they need to hear. Or if they just need to shut up. That's cool too.
6. Starting a war is nice and fun, but don't destroy threads on other boards that were not started with an intention for war. Unless it's Full House. Full House blows. Also, don't expect the president to go over to every freakin' war and help. The president is far too lazy/has far too many classes

The president reserves the right to exercise martial law whenever she sees fit.

The Epic That Is, Lilith
Lilith was created at the same time as Adam, of the same material. Lilith refused to lay beneath Adam during copulation, while he insisted that she yield to his needs. Big Fight, she leaves. Shacks up with some demons by the Red Sea. G-d sends angels to bring her back to Adam. She refuses to return, as a result of her refusal, all of her children are killed, and as revenge, Lilith preys on newborn boys under 8 days of age (or until his brit milah or bris) and newborn girls under 20 days.

This is the most an average person of Jewish faith will know of the story. However, there are many more layers to be considered.

Her story actually predates the Bible, and (like many old stories) bits and pieces of what may have been different stories have come together to form one. Lilith may be composed of many different women, but over the aeons, she has been condensed into one person. She is known as Lilith, Lilit, Lilitu, Lillake, Lili, and, to the Greeks, Lamia.
While she is known mainly as the first wife of Adam, many other identities and stories swirl around her central being.

-After the loss of her children, she becomes jelaous of new mothers and takes their children, in a desperate attempt to regain her place as a mother. For millenia, she was thought of as the cause of SIDS (sudden infant death syndrome). Talismen were placed in a baby's cradle, with inscription saying "Bind Lilith In Chains!" or "'Adam and Eve. Out, Lilith!'" in Hebrew.

-When Cain killed Abel, it is said that Adam seperated from Eve for 130 years, and attempted to remain celebate, not wanting to bring more murder to the world. During these years of solitude, Lilith returned to seduce him. From this union were spawned a multitude of female demons: the "lilim," and it is said that Lilith and her progeny visit a man sleeping alone, and take from him, in his dreams, his "nocturnal emissions" (if you don't know what that is...look it up yourself, I'm trying to keep this relatively PG), from which more demons were spawned. It was because of this that medieval monks often slept holding a crucifix over their nether-areas.

-She is thought to have been the serpent that so tempted Eve

-In the Kabbala, it is said that Lilith has dominion over "children who issue from a man who has intercourse at candlelight, or with his wife naked, or at times when he is forbidden to have intercourse." Yes. That's right. Any children that were born from a man who had sex with his naked wife. I won't say anything.

-She is said to be the consort to Samael. Thats Satan to Gentiles.

-It is also said that when the Shekhina (the feminine aspect of G-d) descended from the heavens to follow her Children after their Exile from Israel, G-d (you must keep in mind that this G-d is not G-d in entirety, but simply one aspect of the whole) took Lilith as His consort.

-The Greeks took Lilith and transformed her into their Lamia who was once a lover of Zeus, and, when Hera found out, she murdered their offspring and transformed Lamia into a monster. the Lamia became obsessed with the images of her children's death, and Zeus, in an act of pity, removed her eyes to relieve her of this. In jealousy, Lamia takes to stealing newborn infants and devouring them.

-The only direct reference to Lilith in the bible is Isaiah 34:14, which reads
"Wildcats shall meet with hyenas,
goat-demons shall call to each other;
there too Lilith shall repose,
and find a place to rest.
There shall the owl nest
and lay and hatch and brood in its shadow"

this was later changed (in the King James Version, at least) to

"the screech owl also shall rest there,
and find for herself a place of rest."

Lilith was often associated with owls, in fact, the earliest known artifact related to Lilith: a nearly 4000 year old Babylonian relief of her, has her standing between two owls. This relief was found in southern Iraq sometime in the early 20th century, and is now on display at the British Museum.

As you can see, Lilith has garnered quite a bad reputation in her long life, and is only recently being embraced by a number of women (Jewish or not) as a stong role model. Literally, the world's first uppity, independent woman. It has been posited (by me, at least), that the Patriarchal society of old demonised Lilith as a way to keep women from following her example and leaving their husbands, and, this was best executed by villifying Lilith and making her a threat to that which was a woman's foremost priority: her children. She was a beautiful, fiercely intelligent women who refused to bow to her husband's will, and for this she has been vilified, defamed, and spat upon for centuries, violently repudiated by her own gender, but has emerged, on the other side, still just as vibrant, and with an ever growing embracement amongst modern women.

MEMBERS:
Pirate Jenny (President and Founder)
Dulcineah1 (Village Elder)
Chambers
ThirteenInchEscape
Frasier'sHairyMan
barwars
Petrie Malone
BebeSternin
slackermonkey
and Moondance (I guess)

Pirate Jenny · 08-20-2004, 03:56 PM

Goddamn right!

Barwars, you rock, like, so much.

Good lord I'm in a jovial mood today.

Oh yeah...and where's the rope ladder?

Chambers · 08-20-2004, 04:07 PM

I'm in. So...what do we do now?

Pirate Jenny · 08-20-2004, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chambers
I'm in. So...what do we do now?

Well, obviously we have to build a rope ladder to get into our clubhouse.

barwars · 08-20-2004, 04:13 PM

like any club, sit around (pretty much doing nothing) -- only to make other people feel less important, because they dont belong.

Chambers · 08-20-2004, 04:15 PM

Is that a metaphorical rope ladder...or a real one? Because the former would be much cheaper.

Meanwhile, look at all those losers who aren't part of the club. Hm, I feel more important already.

ThirteenInchEscape · 08-20-2004, 05:39 PM

I'm joining, and with me I'm bringing a theoretical rope ladder

Pirate Jenny · 08-22-2004, 06:13 AM

OH my god you guys, I just got back from being sociable for two days.
Two. Whole. Days.
But now, I'm back, and we can proceed with our club.
Methinks we need a consitution. And elected officials.
But I'm far too tired to deal with that tonight...its 3am and I just got home.

I learned many things this weekend. One of those is that if you go to a midnight showing of Rocky Horror (which I hadn't done in like...over 2 years), ya just hafta get used to drunk people puking on the seat behind you.
Ew.

Yeah. Now back to official club business.

ThirteenInchEscape · 08-22-2004, 01:22 PM

my friend Alysia was just at a midnight showing of Rocky Horror in Spokane friday night, I havnt seen it/gone

Brian Damage · 08-22-2004, 04:07 PM

You guys should create an "official" logo. I'm sure Chambers or one of you computer generated picture whizzes could do that.

Chambers · 08-22-2004, 05:34 PM

My attempt at a logo.

That stands for "God, Lilith is so F*cking cool."

Chambers · 08-22-2004, 05:35 PM

This club rocks.

Sara Micelli · 08-22-2004, 05:39 PM

I love yalls' group name.

Chambers · 08-22-2004, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by popcornperson2002
I love yalls' group name.

periacta is the genius behind it all.
We need more logo ideas, people.
periacta, I vote you write our constitution. And I vote you become our president...since you pretty much are Lilith.

ThirteenInchEscape · 08-22-2004, 06:51 PM

I vote Periacta for president also

08-20-2004, 03:50 PM	#1
barwars .. Forum Star Join Date: May 04, 2002 Posts: 13,273	*"God, Lilith is so Fcking Cool" Fan Club Permitted by invite only.** As it read on Cheers and as it will always be.... "This is a Square House. Please report any un-fairness to the proprietor." Just plain perfect. Pirate Jenny's Ground Rules: 1. This is NOT a Frith club. If you are a Frith, knock yourself out. Enjoy yourself. Go buy yourself an ice cream cone. But we're talkin' about an individual here, not a couple. 2. Everyone is required to know the story of the Original Lilith, if only because it's so cool. 3. Swearing is fine (As far as sitcomsonline.com will let us) but don't be vulgar. I can't think of anything more abhorrant than vulgarity. 4. If you come across anything interesting related to Lilith, tell us about it! 5. There is a difference between being honest and being just plain mean. Be the former, never the latter. Never hurt a person out of spite, but feel free to tell them what they need to hear. Or if they just need to shut up. That's cool too. 6. Starting a war is nice and fun, but don't destroy threads on other boards that were not started with an intention for war. Unless it's Full House. Full House blows. Also, don't expect the president to go over to every freakin' war and help. The president is far too lazy/has far too many classes The president reserves the right to exercise martial law whenever she sees fit. The Epic That Is, Lilith Lilith was created at the same time as Adam, of the same material. Lilith refused to lay beneath Adam during copulation, while he insisted that she yield to his needs. Big Fight, she leaves. Shacks up with some demons by the Red Sea. G-d sends angels to bring her back to Adam. She refuses to return, as a result of her refusal, all of her children are killed, and as revenge, Lilith preys on newborn boys under 8 days of age (or until his brit milah or bris) and newborn girls under 20 days. This is the most an average person of Jewish faith will know of the story. However, there are many more layers to be considered. Her story actually predates the Bible, and (like many old stories) bits and pieces of what may have been different stories have come together to form one. Lilith may be composed of many different women, but over the aeons, she has been condensed into one person. She is known as Lilith, Lilit, Lilitu, Lillake, Lili, and, to the Greeks, Lamia. While she is known mainly as the first wife of Adam, many other identities and stories swirl around her central being. -After the loss of her children, she becomes jelaous of new mothers and takes their children, in a desperate attempt to regain her place as a mother. For millenia, she was thought of as the cause of SIDS (sudden infant death syndrome). Talismen were placed in a baby's cradle, with inscription saying "Bind Lilith In Chains!" or "'Adam and Eve. Out, Lilith!'" in Hebrew. -When Cain killed Abel, it is said that Adam seperated from Eve for 130 years, and attempted to remain celebate, not wanting to bring more murder to the world. During these years of solitude, Lilith returned to seduce him. From this union were spawned a multitude of female demons: the "lilim," and it is said that Lilith and her progeny visit a man sleeping alone, and take from him, in his dreams, his "nocturnal emissions" (if you don't know what that is...look it up yourself, I'm trying to keep this relatively PG), from which more demons were spawned. It was because of this that medieval monks often slept holding a crucifix over their nether-areas. -She is thought to have been the serpent that so tempted Eve -In the Kabbala, it is said that Lilith has dominion over "children who issue from a man who has intercourse at candlelight, or with his wife naked, or at times when he is forbidden to have intercourse." Yes. That's right. Any children that were born from a man who had sex with his naked wife. I won't say anything. -She is said to be the consort to Samael. Thats Satan to Gentiles. -It is also said that when the Shekhina (the feminine aspect of G-d) descended from the heavens to follow her Children after their Exile from Israel, G-d (you must keep in mind that this G-d is not G-d in entirety, but simply one aspect of the whole) took Lilith as His consort. -The Greeks took Lilith and transformed her into their Lamia who was once a lover of Zeus, and, when Hera found out, she murdered their offspring and transformed Lamia into a monster. the Lamia became obsessed with the images of her children's death, and Zeus, in an act of pity, removed her eyes to relieve her of this. In jealousy, Lamia takes to stealing newborn infants and devouring them. -The only direct reference to Lilith in the bible is Isaiah 34:14, which reads "Wildcats shall meet with hyenas, goat-demons shall call to each other; there too Lilith shall repose, and find a place to rest. There shall the owl nest and lay and hatch and brood in its shadow" this was later changed (in the King James Version, at least) to "the screech owl also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest." Lilith was often associated with owls, in fact, the earliest known artifact related to Lilith: a nearly 4000 year old Babylonian relief of her, has her standing between two owls. This relief was found in southern Iraq sometime in the early 20th century, and is now on display at the British Museum. As you can see, Lilith has garnered quite a bad reputation in her long life, and is only recently being embraced by a number of women (Jewish or not) as a stong role model. Literally, the world's first uppity, independent woman. It has been posited (by me, at least), that the Patriarchal society of old demonised Lilith as a way to keep women from following her example and leaving their husbands, and, this was best executed by villifying Lilith and making her a threat to that which was a woman's foremost priority: her children. She was a beautiful, fiercely intelligent women who refused to bow to her husband's will, and for this she has been vilified, defamed, and spat upon for centuries, violently repudiated by her own gender, but has emerged, on the other side, still just as vibrant, and with an ever growing embracement amongst modern women. MEMBERS: Pirate Jenny (President and Founder) Dulcineah1 (Village Elder) Chambers ThirteenInchEscape Frasier'sHairyMan barwars Petrie Malone BebeSternin slackermonkey and Moondance (I guess)
	Last edited by barwars; 10-06-2004 at 08:10 PM.

08-20-2004, 03:56 PM	#2
Pirate Jenny StrangeLittleGirl Senior Member Join Date: Nov 25, 2003 Location: Hangin' out with the DREAM king Posts: 1,128	Goddamn right! Barwars, you rock, like, so much. Good lord I'm in a jovial mood today. Oh yeah...and where's the rope ladder?
	__________________ "The illusion is upon me that something adheres for a moment, has roundess, weight, depth, is completed. This, for the moment, seems to be my life. If it were possible, I would hand it you entire. I would break it off as one breaks off a bunch of grapes. I would say, 'Take it. This is my life.'" President, Founder, Demon Bitch and Head Pirate of the "God, Lilith is so ing Cool" Fan Club The paths that ghosts follow are written on the land in old words. Ghosts don't take the interstate. They walk. Is that what I'm following, here? All we are saying...is give peace a chance. Last edited by Pirate Jenny; 08-20-2004 at 04:12 PM.

08-20-2004, 04:07 PM	#3
Chambers The Crane Trinity Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 27, 2004 Location: Where everybody knows a Crane. Posts: 5,427	I'm in. So...what do we do now?
	__________________ Member of the "God, Lilith is so ing cool" Fan Club Where everybody knows your tossed salads and scrambled eggs. FREEDOM OF THOUGHT blank

08-20-2004, 05:39 PM	#7
ThirteenInchEscape Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 21, 2004 Location: Palouse, Washington Posts: 1,218	I'm joining, and with me I'm bringing a theoretical rope ladder
	__________________ *Member of the "God Lilith is so ing Cool" Fanclub* Freedom of Thought

08-22-2004, 05:34 PM	#11
Chambers The Crane Trinity Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 27, 2004 Location: Where everybody knows a Crane. Posts: 5,427	My attempt at a logo. That stands for "God, Lilith is so F*cking cool." Attached Images
	Last edited by Chambers; 08-22-2004 at 06:22 PM.

08-20-2004, 04:13 PM	#5
barwars .. Forum Star Join Date: May 04, 2002 Posts: 13,273	like any club, sit around (pretty much doing nothing) -- only to make other people feel less important, because they dont belong.

08-20-2004, 04:15 PM	#6
Chambers The Crane Trinity Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 27, 2004 Location: Where everybody knows a Crane. Posts: 5,427	Is that a metaphorical rope ladder...or a real one? Because the former would be much cheaper. Meanwhile, look at all those losers who aren't part of the club. Hm, I feel more important already.

08-22-2004, 06:13 AM	#8
Pirate Jenny StrangeLittleGirl Senior Member Join Date: Nov 25, 2003 Location: Hangin' out with the DREAM king Posts: 1,128	OH my god you guys, I just got back from being sociable for two days. Two. Whole. Days. But now, I'm back, and we can proceed with our club. Methinks we need a consitution. And elected officials. But I'm far too tired to deal with that tonight...its 3am and I just got home. I learned many things this weekend. One of those is that if you go to a midnight showing of Rocky Horror (which I hadn't done in like...over 2 years), ya just hafta get used to drunk people puking on the seat behind you. Ew. Yeah. Now back to official club business.

08-22-2004, 01:22 PM	#9
ThirteenInchEscape Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 21, 2004 Location: Palouse, Washington Posts: 1,218	my friend Alysia was just at a midnight showing of Rocky Horror in Spokane friday night, I havnt seen it/gone

08-22-2004, 04:07 PM	#10
Brian Damage I'm Rich Bitch Forum Icon Join Date: Feb 03, 2002 Location: What Ain't No Country I Ever Heard Of...They Speak English in What? Posts: 63,107	You guys should create an "official" logo. I'm sure Chambers or one of you computer generated picture whizzes could do that.

08-22-2004, 05:35 PM	#12
Chambers The Crane Trinity Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 27, 2004 Location: Where everybody knows a Crane. Posts: 5,427	This club rocks.

08-22-2004, 05:39 PM	#13
Sara Micelli Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 14, 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 3,122	I love yalls' group name.
	__________________ Formerly popcornperson2002. Some people come into our lives and quickly go.Some stay for a while and leave footprints on our hearts. And we are never,ever the same-source unknown. "Suicide sometimes proceeds from cowardice, but not always; for cowardice sometimes prevents it; since as many live because they are afraid to die, as die because they are afraid to live" -Charles Caleb Colton

08-22-2004, 06:51 PM	#15
ThirteenInchEscape Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 21, 2004 Location: Palouse, Washington Posts: 1,218	I vote Periacta for president also