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TMC · 08-19-2023, 08:06 PM

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Some of the characters' actions are hard to laugh at these days.

JO Sweet Heart · 09-02-2023, 11:47 PM

What makes certain parts of the show harder to see again these days is because of everything that has happened in real life since then. Robert getting attacked by the bull for example may not be as funny anymore now because of all that has happened with cops in real life ever since then. I could be wrong, but I believe that all of the parents are gone now, Frank and Marie, Amy's parents and Debra's parents. The man who gave us Stefania's dad is still here. David Proval is 81 years old now.

God bless you and him and the other remaining cast members always!!!

Holly

Dude111 · 09-03-2023, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TMC

Some of the characters' actions are hard to laugh at these days.

Yes everyone is so brain dead now they cant do anything!!

stevea · 09-03-2023, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JO Sweet Heart

What makes certain parts of the show harder to see again these days is because of everything that has happened in real life since then. Robert getting attacked by the bull for example may not be as funny anymore now because of all that has happened with cops in real life ever since then. I could be wrong, but I believe that all of the parents are gone now, Frank and Marie, Amy's parents and Debra's parents. The man who gave us Stefania's dad is still here. David Proval is 81 years old now.

God bless you and him and the other remaining cast members always!!!

Holly

You're right. And one of the Sweeten twins committed suicide at age 19 a few years ago.

Robert Culp, Katherine Helmond, Peter Boyle, Doris Roberts, Fred Willard, and Georgia Engel all have passed.

Charles Knox · 09-03-2023, 12:36 PM

The show has always been a tough watch for me and it's not because of cast members who passed away, or even left / right politics. I just never found Ray Romano very likeable or funny. I have a very similar problem with the George Lopez Show.

PaperClips · 09-03-2023, 02:25 PM

I binge re-watched it a few weeks ago. A few things that stood out to me.

Starting towards the end of the series - Robert became mean and hostile. The worst was when he ruined Debra's surprise birthday party.

Raymond constantly harassed Debra for sex. It was uncomfortable to watch. Who wants to go to bed and have someone all over them every night? And if she refused him, he would mope and make her feel guilty.

A lot of the episodes do still stand up. I don't care that a lot of the cast have died. Who could watch anything if that was the case? The "I Love Lucy" cast is all gone. Most of the "Leave it to Beaver" cast has died. It just doesn't bother me.

JO Sweet Heart · 09-03-2023, 06:50 PM

^^^ Robert from the very beginning may have been mean and hostile. Reading your message made me think of the episode when Frank and Marie's anniversary party took place. Ray learns that they almost got divorced and that his bike crash is what brought Frank back to the house. At the end of the episode, not only do we learn that Robert had intentionally tampered with Ray's bike, we learn about other times that Robert tried to take out his brother.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

P.S. Also let us not forget about when Robert finally confesses to being the person who ruined Frank's records after Ray got blamed for it for so many years.

stevea · 09-03-2023, 08:37 PM

Robert was threatening toward Gianni when he dated Amy, during one of the times he and Amy were on the outs.

Robert and Raymond also had a few knock-down brawls. One was in Frank and Marie's living room, and the other was in the back of a van at the drive-in movies.

Also there are two sides to the coin with Ray's constant demands for sex. Debra was constantly turning him down, too, with a zillion excuses. And her behavior in Bad Moon Rising was way over the top. She was certifiable.

MRPITT · 09-03-2023, 09:07 PM

I was never a big Raymond fan, though I did watch it semi regularly. I preferred other shows on CBS the same night Becker, Cosby, King of Queens. I watched an episode of Everybody Loves Raymond recently and didn’t find it any more or less tolerable than I did when it originally aired.

favoriteshow · 09-04-2023, 10:03 AM

I always felt King of Queens was underrated and Everybody Loves Raymond was overrated. I prefer watching a King of Queens rerun anytime as well.

I happened to watch a couple of Everybody Loves Raymond episodes on a Delta flight actually as they had 5 episodes in the demand. The on demand had the Italy trip episodes, which were fine to watch to pass time before the flight landed.

nightcrawler · 12-30-2023, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Charles Knox

The show has always been a tough watch for me and it's not because of cast members who passed away, or even left / right politics. I just never found Ray Romano very likeable or funny. I have a very similar problem with the George Lopez Show.

me either, I did not find Ray likeable or funny either, and dont really even like the show. I found his voice to be annoying also.

TMC · 12-31-2023, 05:03 AM

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me either, I did not find Ray likeable or funny either, and dont really even like the show. I found his voice to be annoying also.

If you go on Reddit, it seems like dislike for ELR as a sitcom is the general consensus.

PaperClips · 12-31-2023, 07:44 PM

I don't care what reddit thinks. I think it was a weird show with how bad Raymond kept pestering Debra for sex.

Some episodes were funny. Marie's Meatballs was pretty good. The show where they all tried to take a Holiday Picture was funny too.

stevea · 12-31-2023, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TMC

If you go on Reddit, it seems like dislike for ELR as a sitcom is the general consensus.

If you go to the ratings, it seems like like for ELR as a sitcom is the general consensus, since it spent 6 of 9 seasons in the top 10 shows.

Alan Brady's Hair · 12-31-2023, 08:53 PM

I think the show loses more than some others when they're watched more than a couple in a row. Binging them gives the impression that they're always after each other, as opposed to just showing specific incidents in the characters lives.

08-19-2023, 08:06 PM	#1
TMC Member Forum Idol Join Date: Jan 09, 2001 Posts: 124,453	Why Is ‘Everybody Loves Raymond’ So Hard to Watch Now? https://collider.com/everybody-loves...nd-aged-badly/ Some of the characters' actions are hard to laugh at these days.

09-02-2023, 11:47 PM	#2
JO Sweet Heart Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Mar 11, 2012 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 7,832	What makes certain parts of the show harder to see again these days is because of everything that has happened in real life since then. Robert getting attacked by the bull for example may not be as funny anymore now because of all that has happened with cops in real life ever since then. I could be wrong, but I believe that all of the parents are gone now, Frank and Marie, Amy's parents and Debra's parents. The man who gave us Stefania's dad is still here. David Proval is 81 years old now. God bless you and him and the other remaining cast members always!!! Holly
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09-03-2023, 12:36 PM	#5
Charles Knox Member Senior Member Join Date: Apr 17, 2009 Posts: 1,225	The show has always been a tough watch for me and it's not because of cast members who passed away, or even left / right politics. I just never found Ray Romano very likeable or funny. I have a very similar problem with the George Lopez Show.

09-03-2023, 02:25 PM	#6
PaperClips Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Feb 09, 2021 Posts: 316	I binge re-watched it a few weeks ago. A few things that stood out to me. Starting towards the end of the series - Robert became mean and hostile. The worst was when he ruined Debra's surprise birthday party. Raymond constantly harassed Debra for sex. It was uncomfortable to watch. Who wants to go to bed and have someone all over them every night? And if she refused him, he would mope and make her feel guilty. A lot of the episodes do still stand up. I don't care that a lot of the cast have died. Who could watch anything if that was the case? The "I Love Lucy" cast is all gone. Most of the "Leave it to Beaver" cast has died. It just doesn't bother me.

09-03-2023, 06:50 PM	#7
JO Sweet Heart Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Mar 11, 2012 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 7,832	^^^ Robert from the very beginning may have been mean and hostile. Reading your message made me think of the episode when Frank and Marie's anniversary party took place. Ray learns that they almost got divorced and that his bike crash is what brought Frank back to the house. At the end of the episode, not only do we learn that Robert had intentionally tampered with Ray's bike, we learn about other times that Robert tried to take out his brother. God bless you always!!! Holly P.S. Also let us not forget about when Robert finally confesses to being the person who ruined Frank's records after Ray got blamed for it for so many years.

09-03-2023, 08:37 PM	#8
stevea 22 Years On Sitcoms Moderator Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 13, 2003 Location: Indy Posts: 44,174	Robert was threatening toward Gianni when he dated Amy, during one of the times he and Amy were on the outs. Robert and Raymond also had a few knock-down brawls. One was in Frank and Marie's living room, and the other was in the back of a van at the drive-in movies. Also there are two sides to the coin with Ray's constant demands for sex. Debra was constantly turning him down, too, with a zillion excuses. And her behavior in Bad Moon Rising was way over the top. She was certifiable.

09-03-2023, 09:07 PM	#9
MRPITT Member Senior Member Join Date: May 14, 2011 Posts: 1,678	I was never a big Raymond fan, though I did watch it semi regularly. I preferred other shows on CBS the same night Becker, Cosby, King of Queens. I watched an episode of Everybody Loves Raymond recently and didn’t find it any more or less tolerable than I did when it originally aired.

09-04-2023, 10:03 AM	#10
favoriteshow Member Forum Regular Join Date: Dec 08, 2018 Posts: 587	I always felt King of Queens was underrated and Everybody Loves Raymond was overrated. I prefer watching a King of Queens rerun anytime as well. I happened to watch a couple of Everybody Loves Raymond episodes on a Delta flight actually as they had 5 episodes in the demand. The on demand had the Italy trip episodes, which were fine to watch to pass time before the flight landed.

12-31-2023, 07:44 PM	#13
PaperClips Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Feb 09, 2021 Posts: 316	I don't care what reddit thinks. I think it was a weird show with how bad Raymond kept pestering Debra for sex. Some episodes were funny. Marie's Meatballs was pretty good. The show where they all tried to take a Holiday Picture was funny too.

12-31-2023, 08:53 PM	#15
Alan Brady's Hair Member Senior Member Join Date: Aug 30, 2014 Posts: 1,822	I think the show loses more than some others when they're watched more than a couple in a row. Binging them gives the impression that they're always after each other, as opposed to just showing specific incidents in the characters lives.