LEAR should have gotten rid of Sally Struthers based on her drama in 1975 - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

TVFactFan · 02-19-2023, 07:02 PM

The article below discusses her unhappiness with $6000 an episode

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/119152752/

And this article below discusses the contract dispute agreement. She needed more time for her movie and night club career? She would not have been missed lol Funny thing I dont even remember the 4 eps she missed because I didnt watch to see her

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/119154091/

MRPITT · 02-19-2023, 07:56 PM

She was by far my least favorite character.

TVFactFan · 02-19-2023, 08:16 PM

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She was by far my least favorite character.

Now tonight I will pull out the season 6 DVD to see what 4 eps she missed since Im off tomorrow lol I think when I watched it the first time I didnt even notice

TVFactFan · 02-20-2023, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MRPITT

She was by far my least favorite character.

Just realized that I didnt need to go and get the DVD because the show is available on Freevee lol So she was missing in

Archie the Donor....Gloria working late

Archie the Hero.........Gloria in the bathroom for over an hour

Chain Letter-Gloria working late

Edith Breaks Out-Not seen just referred to...........Edith tells Mike she wants a loaf of bread

MIKEPR · 03-11-2023, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TVFactFan

The article below discusses her unhappiness with $6000 an episode

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/119152752/

And this article below discusses the contract dispute agreement. She needed more time for her movie and night club career? She would not have been missed lol Funny thing I dont even remember the 4 eps she missed because I didnt watch to see her

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/119154091/

Are you not aware that CBS didn't create the show?

TVFactFan · 03-11-2023, 04:16 AM

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Are you not aware that CBS didn't create the show?

That was supposed to be LEAR

Alan Brady's Hair · 03-11-2023, 11:54 AM

Lear had trouble on most of his shows: AITF, Sanford, Good Times, One Day at a Time. Maude/Jeffersons were relatively quiet?

TVFactFan · 03-11-2023, 12:18 PM

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Lear had trouble on most of his shows: AITF, Sanford, Good Times, One Day at a Time. Maude/Jeffersons were relatively quiet?

True and Maude was in the top 5 like AITF and S&S and no one demanded anything

opus · 03-12-2023, 12:28 AM

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Lear had trouble on most of his shows: AITF, Sanford, Good Times, One Day at a Time. Maude/Jeffersons were relatively quiet?

Didn’t The Jefferson’s switch Lionels and then switch back? Was all that done amicably and peacefully?

And who would possibly cause trouble on the One Day At A Time set?

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Yong Fang · 03-12-2023, 01:09 AM

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Didn’t The Jefferson’s switch Lionels and then switch back? Was all that done amicably and peacefully?

And who would possibly cause trouble on the One Day At A Time set?

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To you young people under 30 (or realllly now 40), this is what girls looked liked in the 1970's.

She really had an interesting life growing up and if I was her, would probably be partying all the time and fall into addiction myself. Her father was nuts. The people in The Mama's and the Papa's were nuts.

This was really the rock star show. Imagine Howard Hesseman, the members of Van Halen and John Phillips in one room? Yikes!

TVFactFan · 03-12-2023, 01:35 AM

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Didn’t The Jefferson’s switch Lionels and then switch back? Was all that done amicably and peacefully?

And who would possibly cause trouble on the One Day At A Time set?

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Well in the case of Lionel, it wasnt a ongoing contract dispute. He just approached Lear at the end of season 1 and said he wanted off the show. Then he ran into Sherman Hemsley in the summer of 1979 before season 6 and they started talking and that's how he ended up back on the show.

Now I have no clue why he left AGAIN after season 8 lol Something im still searching for

vitoscotti · 03-12-2023, 08:06 AM

Listened to tremendous long in-depth interviews of Norman Lear, Sally Struthers, and John Amos over the last year. Norman Lear was able to move on from squabbles and retain a good working relationship with his actors. He'd even rehire John Amos for a short lived series after being fired from Good Times. Amos said he'd never of been available for Roots if he didn't get canned from Good Times.

just1paul · 03-12-2023, 11:59 AM

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Well in the case of Lionel, it wasnt a ongoing contract dispute. He just approached Lear at the end of season 1 and said he wanted off the show. Then he ran into Sherman Hemsley in the summer of 1979 before season 6 and they started talking and that's how he ended up back on the show.

Now I have no clue why he left AGAIN after season 8 lol Something im still searching for

Evans was creator and writer of Good Times along with Eric Monte.

The major responsibilities and hardships of writing for "Good Times", which became one of the first TV sitcoms to feature a primarily African American cast in quite some time, took its toll, and Mike began making fewer appearances as Lionel. In fact, he left the role completely in the fall of 1975 after only eight months to focus on his writing and was replaced by actor Damon Evans (no relation to Mike), who inhabited the part for four seasons. Mike eventually reclaimed the part in 1979 after the cancellation of "Good Times". His character of Lionel, however, had dwindled so significantly in importance that he left the show again in 1981, this time for good.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0263070/..._=nm_ov_bio_sm

TVFactFan · 03-12-2023, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by just1paul

Evans was creator and writer of Good Times along with Eric Monte.

The major responsibilities and hardships of writing for "Good Times", which became one of the first TV sitcoms to feature a primarily African American cast in quite some time, took its toll, and Mike began making fewer appearances as Lionel. In fact, he left the role completely in the fall of 1975 after only eight months to focus on his writing and was replaced by actor Damon Evans (no relation to Mike), who inhabited the part for four seasons. Mike eventually reclaimed the part in 1979 after the cancellation of "Good Times". His character of Lionel, however, had dwindled so significantly in importance that he left the show again in 1981, this time for good.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0263070/..._=nm_ov_bio_sm

False information. I have the 1976 ebony magazine explaining why he left and it had nothing to do with Good Times. I also have the Jeffersons book explaining the conversation between Mike Evans and sherman Hemsley

BestTVever · 03-12-2023, 02:47 PM

Put everything in context. In 1975, All In The Family was still #1 and she was grossly underpaid for being on a #1 show. However back in those days, it was the norm that women were paid less. ABC paid Farah Fawcett's replacement $10,000 per episode. Caroll was paid $30,000 per episode and also walked out for several episodes. This is why he called the paying of actors so unfair. Both the actors and producers have contracts. However the producers get their contracts renewed every year based on the success of the show. Caroll's point was the actors should be treated the same. The actors sell the show and make it successful yet everyone else can renegotiate based on the show's success except the actors. Sally was paid 1/5 of the star of the show. Today this would never fly. I think it was fair for her to maybe ask for 1/4 of what Caroll got. The actors made the show a success yet they were treated as if their talent had nothing to do with it.
These disputes were ahead of their time. 5 years later Suzanne Sommers also learned the hard way.

02-19-2023, 07:02 PM	#1
TVFactFan Member Forum Junkie Join Date: Aug 17, 2002 Posts: 99,038	LEAR should have gotten rid of Sally Struthers based on her drama in 1975 The article below discusses her unhappiness with $6000 an episode https://www.newspapers.com/clip/119152752/ And this article below discusses the contract dispute agreement. She needed more time for her movie and night club career? She would not have been missed lol Funny thing I dont even remember the 4 eps she missed because I didnt watch to see her https://www.newspapers.com/clip/119154091/
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02-19-2023, 07:56 PM	#2
MRPITT Member Senior Member Join Date: May 14, 2011 Posts: 1,678	She was by far my least favorite character.

03-11-2023, 11:54 AM	#7
Alan Brady's Hair Member Senior Member Join Date: Aug 30, 2014 Posts: 1,825	Lear had trouble on most of his shows: AITF, Sanford, Good Times, One Day at a Time. Maude/Jeffersons were relatively quiet?

03-12-2023, 08:06 AM	#12
vitoscotti Member Senior Member Join Date: Feb 14, 2017 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,077	Listened to tremendous long in-depth interviews of Norman Lear, Sally Struthers, and John Amos over the last year. Norman Lear was able to move on from squabbles and retain a good working relationship with his actors. He'd even rehire John Amos for a short lived series after being fired from Good Times. Amos said he'd never of been available for Roots if he didn't get canned from Good Times.

03-12-2023, 02:47 PM	#15
BestTVever Member Senior Member Join Date: Jan 29, 2021 Location: Miami Posts: 1,905	Put everything in context. In 1975, All In The Family was still #1 and she was grossly underpaid for being on a #1 show. However back in those days, it was the norm that women were paid less. ABC paid Farah Fawcett's replacement $10,000 per episode. Caroll was paid $30,000 per episode and also walked out for several episodes. This is why he called the paying of actors so unfair. Both the actors and producers have contracts. However the producers get their contracts renewed every year based on the success of the show. Caroll's point was the actors should be treated the same. The actors sell the show and make it successful yet everyone else can renegotiate based on the show's success except the actors. Sally was paid 1/5 of the star of the show. Today this would never fly. I think it was fair for her to maybe ask for 1/4 of what Caroll got. The actors made the show a success yet they were treated as if their talent had nothing to do with it. These disputes were ahead of their time. 5 years later Suzanne Sommers also learned the hard way.