Roseanne Revival: My Thoughts - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

stevearino · 03-18-2018, 05:29 PM

As many of you are aware, over 20 years after its original series finale, the hit '80s sitcom "Roseanne" will return to its original network home of ABC a week from Tuesday night at 8 P.M. with 2 back-to-back episodes, after which the revival will air weekly Tuesday nights at 8 P.M. leading in to the end of "The Middle" (wrapping up its own 9-year run this Spring on ABC).

Though the bulk of the original cast (including both Beckys--Lecy Goranson and Sarah Chalke, the latter actress playing a new character, Andrea, in the revival) will return, one key regular will not be returning--because he's dead.

His name: Glenn Quinn, best known for his role as Mark Healy on "Roseanne" for 7 years, starting in September 1990. He fatally OD'd on Heroin at age 32 on December 3, 2002, with his death ruled Accidental.

Some interesting tidbits about Glenn: he was born and raised Irish, with his short time on earth beginning in Dublin, Ireland on May 28, 1970; had Glenn been born and raised in America, he would have graduated high school in June 1988, weeks after turning 18, but because he was Irish, he (presumably) received his O-Levels 2 years earlier, at age 16, after which he spent 2 years attending a local Community College--specifically Clonkeen College.

In 1988, after graduating from Clonkeen College, Glenn, just after turning 18, relocated with his parents and 2 sisters to America, eventually settling in Los Angeles, California, where he eventually was cast on "Roseanne" in 1990 as Mark Healy, Becky's boyfriend/eventual husband and older brother to David (Johnny Galecki, also not returning due to his commitment to "Big Bang Theory" on CBS), who eventually married Darlene (Sara Gilbert), with whom in the original series finale he became co-parent to Harris Conner Healy--the 1st grandchild of Dan and Roseanne Conner (John Goodman and Roseanne Barr).

The only thing I would change in the revival is that rather than have Mark Healy killed offscreen due to Glenn Quinn's real-life demise, I'd have his character be portrayed by another actor his age group, e.g. Ricky Schroder.

Anyone here have opinions about this? Feel free to respond.

Artistwithmanymuses · 03-18-2018, 09:58 PM

I rather not have them pull another Becky. Someone stepping in to take over Glenn's role is almost like what they did with Lecy, but the circumstances are different this time. Some Original fans will feel it's not right, I watched the entire original show last year. I felt when they recasted Becky it sure as heck wasn't the same. If they decied to recast Mark it wouldn't be the same. Many fans of different fandoms fall in love with the characters and the actors/actresses that protray them. It wouldn't be the same if they recasted. Mark. The shows producers/cast have respect for Glenn, and they chose not to recast his role.

TMC · 03-24-2018, 12:57 AM

On the Roseanne reboot, it is Darlene who is the "emotional heart" of the story

Media attention on the Roseanne reboot has focused on Roseanne Conner being a Trump voter. But the new Roseanne isn't a forum for Roseanne Barr's ideologies because the three episodes sent to critics "decenter Roseanne in a slight but remarkable way, ceding the emotional heart of the story to Darlene: unemployed, single-parenting two kids, and trying to figure out how best to raise them in her parents’ house," says Anne Helen Peterson. That the focus would be on Darlene makes sense since it was Sara Gilbert who orchestrated the revival. "The camera still starts and stops on Roseanne in the iconic opening credit sequence, but she has effectively ceded the moral center of the show," says Peterson. "Darlene was always the most independent of the Conner children. But she was also the most like Roseanne: irreverent, acerbic, thrilled by her capacity to undercut others’ expectations of her, yet blessed with a seemingly innate ethical clarity. She wasn’t scared to wound others, and yet, like her mother, she was secretly sensitive. Roseanne used those qualities to school her children and prepare them to be better people in the world. And what makes the new Roseanne work — despite its star, and what’s become of her — is the show’s willingness to let Darlene use the same strategies on her own parents. Roseanne remains committed to a certain sort of realism. But this time, part of that realist project is allowing a feminist daughter to reject the cynicism of her mother and forge her own path forward."

TV Guy · 03-24-2018, 08:50 PM

I don’t know why they had to kill off Mark. It would be more realistic for him and Becky to have divorced. They started hinting at this when Lecy resumed the role in season 8 (remember the episode where Becky wanted to go back to college and didn’t seem all that concerned about what happened to Mark?) Then Sarah took the role again for the final season and that was dropped. But in reality, teenaged marriages have a very high divorce rate. And Mark and Becky #1 really didn’t have much in common.

Artistwithmanymuses · 03-24-2018, 09:51 PM

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I don’t know why they had to kill off Mark. It would be more realistic for him and Becky to have divorced. They started hinting at this when Lecy resumed the role in season 8 (remember the episode where Becky wanted to go back to college and didn’t seem all that concerned about what happened to Mark?) Then Sarah took the role again for the final season and that was dropped. But in reality, teenaged marriages have a very high divorce rate. And Mark and Becky #1 really didn’t have much in common.

Yeah their relationship before they eloped, and after was rocky, but they were pretty much faithful, and commited to each other. Not all relationships need commnunication and common ground to work. In save the last thursday if i remember the title correctly Becky also admitted that. she's content with her life, and having quite evenings with Mark. Also in the Becky wanting to apply for college episode(Becky Howser M.D) Mark told Roseanne that he wouldn't leave Becky for anything.

Most people expected David and Darlene to stay together because they had so much in common but as we learned before the revival hits TV they are separated/divorced.

TMC · 03-26-2018, 08:04 PM

Tom Arnold reviews the Roseanne reboot
Roseanne Barr's ex-husband, who was famously fired as a writer/producer on the ABC sitcom, writes for The Hollywood Reporter: "Bottom line: If you want to watch a show because it's the voice of your political point of view, right or left, do not watch the Roseanne reboot. You'll be disappointed. But if you're a fan of the original Roseanne, especially the glory years — you know, the 'Tom Arnold years' — this is as good as it's going to get."

Pat · 03-26-2018, 08:50 PM

So, in the finale Dan was noted as being dead. I read somewhere that the new series will be ignoring the finale. Any thoughts???

Artistwithmanymuses · 03-27-2018, 01:20 PM

Yeah Dan is alive and every other twist in season 9 is undone. Basically don't take season 9 into account anymore. Dan is alive, and they never won the lottery.

Impressions · 03-27-2018, 01:30 PM

I don't wanna see an actor replace Mark. I mean, yeah, we had Becky and DJ replaced at one point in the series, but I think they should just kill him off.

As far as the reveal that Dan is not dead, I can't make a decision either way until I see the season premiere tonight and see how they handle it. I'm glad they are bringing him back, and thought it was a cheap move on Roseanne's part when she revealed he died in season 9, to explain the horribly wrong lottery plot, and using it as a mechanism to cope with his death. So they are doing right to bring him back to life.

TMC · 03-27-2018, 09:18 PM

Roseanne is the rare revival that works because it embraces how much has changed

The Roseanne revival is unlike the first season of The X-Files revival, which came back as if nothing had changed and as if its characters hadn't aged. As Alan Sepinwall notes, "great TV shows tend to be the product of a specific time in the lives of three groups: the characters on the show, the people making it, and the people watching it. When shows get brought back from the dead years later, one or more of those groups is different, yet too many shows in the recent flood of revivals try to go about business as usual, assuming the old material will work no matter the context, when instead the new episodes at best come across as pale imitations of what these shows used to be. The handful of revivals that have creatively justified their existence have tended to be the ones that acknowledge those changes." A Roseanne revival looked the most likely to be out of step because so much has changed in 21 years. "Wonderful as so much of ’80s and ’90s Roseanne was, few revivals have had higher potential for feeling wildly out of step in the current environment," says Sepinwall. "Instead, the three episodes ABC gave to critics ... smartly lean into everything that’s different from when we last left the Conners, much less from when we first met them. It’s the rare revival that not only justifies its existence, but draws most of its strength from how much time has passed and what’s happened in the interim."

ALSO:

A Trump-supporting Roseanne allows the show to blissfully wander into one of "2018 pop culture’s demilitarized zones"
Roseanne Barr's name is in the title, but she has stepped back and is no longer the driving force
The sitcom voice is intact, but the zinger-based dialogue and rhythms can feel dated
Roseanne is rough around the edges: The timing is a little off, the punchlines don't land
Roseanne Barr is missing her character's famous charisma -- she is early on her reactions and slow with her delivery
The jokes are dry and scrape the surface of meanness, while never lacking warmth
Roseanne provides the catharsis needed in our toxic climate
The reboot unfortunately simplifies politics into easy partisanship
The writing lets the Conners be "woke" without proclaiming itself as such
Season 9 of Roseanne was a mess: Can the reboot ignore it?
It makes sense that Roseanne Conner would pick Trump over Hillary Clinton
It doesn't ring true that Roseanne Conner would be a Trump voter
Showrunner Bruce Helford: Why I returned 25 years after I was fired
Darlene Conner was always Roseanne's secret ingredient and best hope
Newcomer Emma Kenney says politics were taboo on set
From Leonardo DiCaprio to Ellen DeGeneres: Here are Roseanne celebrity guest cameos

TMC · 03-27-2018, 09:23 PM

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Yeah Dan is alive and every other twist in season 9 is undone. Basically don't take season 9 into account anymore. Dan is alive, and they never won the lottery.

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Hawkee · 03-28-2018, 02:37 AM

I saw the debut episode of the Roseanne reboot today and I think ABC did a smart idea of reviving Roseanne by making it new and fresh as the original Roseanne did when ABC first aired it in 1988 and it was so neat that ABC managed to recreate the entire Roseanne house like it was in the 1988 version. I thought that Roseanne was awesome in her role as a grandmother now to her grandkids and that gives us a sense of what to expect in this new Roseanne reboot. I also found it surprising that ABC managed to remake the new intro of Roseanne just like the original 1988 version's intro and I was also surprised that they used the original theme song of Roseanne for this new revival because the Roseanne theme song is just so iconic and fun and even featured Roseanne's cute laugh that she did at the end of the theme song. While amazing to watch I think ABC will have a whole new world in store for sitcoms and maybe someday in the future think of reviving Growing Pains with a different actor playing Jason Seaver or perhaps revive Home Improvement next. I think this Roseanne revival is cool and for ABC the third time really is the charm for reviving Roseanne and will prove that ABC really is the king of quality sitcoms and will continue to improve thanks to the Roseanne reboot
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Bonniegirl · 03-28-2018, 02:54 AM

I think Becky and Darlene look much prettier grown up than they did as teenagers!

Both looked really pretty !

And I like Darlene's nicer, sweeter personality than when she was a teenager better too !

Some of the story line was a little silly , such as Becky becoming a surrogate , and I think instead of having Mark be dead , his absence should just be that Becky and he are divorced !

But other than that I found the show pretty enjoyable!

TV Guy · 03-28-2018, 05:40 AM

It reminded me more of the later seasons (6-8) of the original than the earlier seasons. I liked the earlier seasons because Roseanne still had a warm side. She was someone you’d like to have a beer with. Remember when she apologized through gritted teeth to Kathy Bowman so her son could have a sleepover with his friend? The Roseanne Conner of the later seasons would NEVER have done that. Neither would the current one. I find the later/current incarnation of the character harsh and unfunny. I’d never want to be around her.

I also didn’t find last night’s writing clever like it was in the best years of the original show (seasons 3 and 4). Glad to see the original Becky, but sad to see what she has become. So they confirmed that she never finished high school after she married Mark and moved away. Odd that Darlene’s voice is now higher, and Becky’s is now deeper. Sarah Chalke has grown into a polished actress (I found her awkward during the original show). Laurie Metcalf is incredibly talented, but she had nothing to work with in terms of the writing. The grandchildren didn’t make much of an impression.

tlc38tlc38 · 03-28-2018, 01:16 PM

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It reminded me more of the later seasons (6-8) of the original than the earlier seasons. I liked the earlier seasons because Roseanne still had a warm side. She was someone you’d like to have a beer with. Remember when she apologized through gritted teeth to Kathy Bowman so her son could have a sleepover with his friend? The Roseanne Conner of the later seasons would NEVER have done that. Neither would the current one. I find the later/current incarnation of the character harsh and unfunny. I’d never want to be around her.

I also didn’t find last night’s writing clever like it was in the best years of the original show (seasons 3 and 4). Glad to see the original Becky, but sad to see what she has become. So they confirmed that she never finished high school after she married Mark and moved away. Odd that Darlene’s voice is now higher, and Becky’s is now deeper. Sarah Chalke has grown into a polished actress (I found her awkward during the original show). Laurie Metcalf is incredibly talented, but she had nothing to work with in terms of the writing. The grandchildren didn’t make much of an impression.

I noticed their voices, too.

It's funny cause I really liked Lecy more than Sarah on the original show but I think they made a mistake with the reboot...they should've cast Sarah as Becky...I never thought I'd say that.

Without a doubt, Sara Gilbert is the star of this reboot, not Roseanne.

All in all, the reboot is funny but not LOL hilarious.

03-26-2018, 08:50 PM	#7
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03-27-2018, 09:18 PM	#10
TMC Member Forum Idol Join Date: Jan 09, 2001 Posts: 125,588	Roseanne is the rare revival that works because it embraces how much has changed The Roseanne revival is unlike the first season of The X-Files revival, which came back as if nothing had changed and as if its characters hadn't aged. As Alan Sepinwall notes, "great TV shows tend to be the product of a specific time in the lives of three groups: the characters on the show, the people making it, and the people watching it. When shows get brought back from the dead years later, one or more of those groups is different, yet too many shows in the recent flood of revivals try to go about business as usual, assuming the old material will work no matter the context, when instead the new episodes at best come across as pale imitations of what these shows used to be. The handful of revivals that have creatively justified their existence have tended to be the ones that acknowledge those changes." A Roseanne revival looked the most likely to be out of step because so much has changed in 21 years. "Wonderful as so much of ’80s and ’90s Roseanne was, few revivals have had higher potential for feeling wildly out of step in the current environment," says Sepinwall. "Instead, the three episodes ABC gave to critics ... smartly lean into everything that’s different from when we last left the Conners, much less from when we first met them. It’s the rare revival that not only justifies its existence, but draws most of its strength from how much time has passed and what’s happened in the interim." ALSO: A Trump-supporting Roseanne allows the show to blissfully wander into one of "2018 pop culture’s demilitarized zones" Roseanne Barr's name is in the title, but she has stepped back and is no longer the driving force The sitcom voice is intact, but the zinger-based dialogue and rhythms can feel dated Roseanne is rough around the edges: The timing is a little off, the punchlines don't land Roseanne Barr is missing her character's famous charisma -- she is early on her reactions and slow with her delivery The jokes are dry and scrape the surface of meanness, while never lacking warmth Roseanne provides the catharsis needed in our toxic climate The reboot unfortunately simplifies politics into easy partisanship The writing lets the Conners be "woke" without proclaiming itself as such Season 9 of Roseanne was a mess: Can the reboot ignore it? It makes sense that Roseanne Conner would pick Trump over Hillary Clinton It doesn't ring true that Roseanne Conner would be a Trump voter Showrunner Bruce Helford: Why I returned 25 years after I was fired Darlene Conner was always Roseanne's secret ingredient and best hope Newcomer Emma Kenney says politics were taboo on set From Leonardo DiCaprio to Ellen DeGeneres: Here are Roseanne celebrity guest cameos

03-28-2018, 02:37 AM	#12
Hawkee Michael Fassbender Fanatic Moderator Forum Star Join Date: Jan 17, 2016 Location: California Posts: 10,779	I saw the debut episode of the Roseanne reboot today and I think ABC did a smart idea of reviving Roseanne by making it new and fresh as the original Roseanne did when ABC first aired it in 1988 and it was so neat that ABC managed to recreate the entire Roseanne house like it was in the 1988 version. I thought that Roseanne was awesome in her role as a grandmother now to her grandkids and that gives us a sense of what to expect in this new Roseanne reboot. I also found it surprising that ABC managed to remake the new intro of Roseanne just like the original 1988 version's intro and I was also surprised that they used the original theme song of Roseanne for this new revival because the Roseanne theme song is just so iconic and fun and even featured Roseanne's cute laugh that she did at the end of the theme song. While amazing to watch I think ABC will have a whole new world in store for sitcoms and maybe someday in the future think of reviving Growing Pains with a different actor playing Jason Seaver or perhaps revive Home Improvement next. I think this Roseanne revival is cool and for ABC the third time really is the charm for reviving Roseanne and will prove that ABC really is the king of quality sitcoms and will continue to improve thanks to the Roseanne reboot Bestie
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03-18-2018, 05:29 PM	#1
stevearino Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Oct 15, 2017 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 249	Roseanne Revival: My Thoughts As many of you are aware, over 20 years after its original series finale, the hit '80s sitcom "Roseanne" will return to its original network home of ABC a week from Tuesday night at 8 P.M. with 2 back-to-back episodes, after which the revival will air weekly Tuesday nights at 8 P.M. leading in to the end of "The Middle" (wrapping up its own 9-year run this Spring on ABC). Though the bulk of the original cast (including both Beckys--Lecy Goranson and Sarah Chalke, the latter actress playing a new character, Andrea, in the revival) will return, one key regular will not be returning--because he's dead. His name: Glenn Quinn, best known for his role as Mark Healy on "Roseanne" for 7 years, starting in September 1990. He fatally OD'd on Heroin at age 32 on December 3, 2002, with his death ruled Accidental. Some interesting tidbits about Glenn: he was born and raised Irish, with his short time on earth beginning in Dublin, Ireland on May 28, 1970; had Glenn been born and raised in America, he would have graduated high school in June 1988, weeks after turning 18, but because he was Irish, he (presumably) received his O-Levels 2 years earlier, at age 16, after which he spent 2 years attending a local Community College--specifically Clonkeen College. In 1988, after graduating from Clonkeen College, Glenn, just after turning 18, relocated with his parents and 2 sisters to America, eventually settling in Los Angeles, California, where he eventually was cast on "Roseanne" in 1990 as Mark Healy, Becky's boyfriend/eventual husband and older brother to David (Johnny Galecki, also not returning due to his commitment to "Big Bang Theory" on CBS), who eventually married Darlene (Sara Gilbert), with whom in the original series finale he became co-parent to Harris Conner Healy--the 1st grandchild of Dan and Roseanne Conner (John Goodman and Roseanne Barr). The only thing I would change in the revival is that rather than have Mark Healy killed offscreen due to Glenn Quinn's real-life demise, I'd have his character be portrayed by another actor his age group, e.g. Ricky Schroder. Anyone here have opinions about this? Feel free to respond.

03-18-2018, 09:58 PM	#2
Artistwithmanymuses Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Mar 18, 2018 Location: Someplace where the sunshines Posts: 23	I rather not have them pull another Becky. Someone stepping in to take over Glenn's role is almost like what they did with Lecy, but the circumstances are different this time. Some Original fans will feel it's not right, I watched the entire original show last year. I felt when they recasted Becky it sure as heck wasn't the same. If they decied to recast Mark it wouldn't be the same. Many fans of different fandoms fall in love with the characters and the actors/actresses that protray them. It wouldn't be the same if they recasted. Mark. The shows producers/cast have respect for Glenn, and they chose not to recast his role.

03-24-2018, 12:57 AM	#3
TMC Member Forum Idol Join Date: Jan 09, 2001 Posts: 125,588	On the Roseanne reboot, it is Darlene who is the "emotional heart" of the story Media attention on the Roseanne reboot has focused on Roseanne Conner being a Trump voter. But the new Roseanne isn't a forum for Roseanne Barr's ideologies because the three episodes sent to critics "decenter Roseanne in a slight but remarkable way, ceding the emotional heart of the story to Darlene: unemployed, single-parenting two kids, and trying to figure out how best to raise them in her parents’ house," says Anne Helen Peterson. That the focus would be on Darlene makes sense since it was Sara Gilbert who orchestrated the revival. "The camera still starts and stops on Roseanne in the iconic opening credit sequence, but she has effectively ceded the moral center of the show," says Peterson. "Darlene was always the most independent of the Conner children. But she was also the most like Roseanne: irreverent, acerbic, thrilled by her capacity to undercut others’ expectations of her, yet blessed with a seemingly innate ethical clarity. She wasn’t scared to wound others, and yet, like her mother, she was secretly sensitive. Roseanne used those qualities to school her children and prepare them to be better people in the world. And what makes the new Roseanne work — despite its star, and what’s become of her — is the show’s willingness to let Darlene use the same strategies on her own parents. Roseanne remains committed to a certain sort of realism. But this time, part of that realist project is allowing a feminist daughter to reject the cynicism of her mother and forge her own path forward."

03-24-2018, 08:50 PM	#4
TV Guy Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 25, 2001 Location: Boston, MA, USA Posts: 3,419	I don’t know why they had to kill off Mark. It would be more realistic for him and Becky to have divorced. They started hinting at this when Lecy resumed the role in season 8 (remember the episode where Becky wanted to go back to college and didn’t seem all that concerned about what happened to Mark?) Then Sarah took the role again for the final season and that was dropped. But in reality, teenaged marriages have a very high divorce rate. And Mark and Becky #1 really didn’t have much in common.

03-26-2018, 08:04 PM	#6
TMC Member Forum Idol Join Date: Jan 09, 2001 Posts: 125,588	Tom Arnold reviews the Roseanne reboot Roseanne Barr's ex-husband, who was famously fired as a writer/producer on the ABC sitcom, writes for The Hollywood Reporter: "Bottom line: If you want to watch a show because it's the voice of your political point of view, right or left, do not watch the Roseanne reboot. You'll be disappointed. But if you're a fan of the original Roseanne, especially the glory years — you know, the 'Tom Arnold years' — this is as good as it's going to get."

03-27-2018, 01:20 PM	#8
Artistwithmanymuses Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Mar 18, 2018 Location: Someplace where the sunshines Posts: 23	Yeah Dan is alive and every other twist in season 9 is undone. Basically don't take season 9 into account anymore. Dan is alive, and they never won the lottery.

03-27-2018, 01:30 PM	#9
Impressions She died the way she lived Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: May 08, 2002 Posts: 4,640	I don't wanna see an actor replace Mark. I mean, yeah, we had Becky and DJ replaced at one point in the series, but I think they should just kill him off. As far as the reveal that Dan is not dead, I can't make a decision either way until I see the season premiere tonight and see how they handle it. I'm glad they are bringing him back, and thought it was a cheap move on Roseanne's part when she revealed he died in season 9, to explain the horribly wrong lottery plot, and using it as a mechanism to cope with his death. So they are doing right to bring him back to life.

03-28-2018, 02:54 AM	#13
Bonniegirl AKA Hazel Horvath Forum Addict Join Date: Jul 10, 2014 Posts: 65,618	I think Becky and Darlene look much prettier grown up than they did as teenagers! Both looked really pretty ! And I like Darlene's nicer, sweeter personality than when she was a teenager better too ! Some of the story line was a little silly , such as Becky becoming a surrogate , and I think instead of having Mark be dead , his absence should just be that Becky and he are divorced ! But other than that I found the show pretty enjoyable!

03-28-2018, 05:40 AM	#14
TV Guy Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 25, 2001 Location: Boston, MA, USA Posts: 3,419	It reminded me more of the later seasons (6-8) of the original than the earlier seasons. I liked the earlier seasons because Roseanne still had a warm side. She was someone you’d like to have a beer with. Remember when she apologized through gritted teeth to Kathy Bowman so her son could have a sleepover with his friend? The Roseanne Conner of the later seasons would NEVER have done that. Neither would the current one. I find the later/current incarnation of the character harsh and unfunny. I’d never want to be around her. I also didn’t find last night’s writing clever like it was in the best years of the original show (seasons 3 and 4). Glad to see the original Becky, but sad to see what she has become. So they confirmed that she never finished high school after she married Mark and moved away. Odd that Darlene’s voice is now higher, and Becky’s is now deeper. Sarah Chalke has grown into a polished actress (I found her awkward during the original show). Laurie Metcalf is incredibly talented, but she had nothing to work with in terms of the writing. The grandchildren didn’t make much of an impression.