Kirk Cameron's Strong Religious Values: Did it Hurt His Career - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

TMC · 03-23-2002, 05:06 AM

Personally, even though I'll give him credit for seemingly trying to point out a considerable amount failing morale and responsibility in what's produced in show business (he did reportedly once accuse some executives of being "pornographers") you still can't deny that it ultimately hampered his career in return. I say this because one can get rather picky (not to mention pretty whipped if he has to have his wife join up in virtually every project that he's involved in) and restrained from pushing the "boundries" when necessarily. If it isn't that, then I would say that this is an case of bad karma (e.g. helping get Julie McCullough fired and not inviting his co-stars to his wedding). To add insult to injury, Leonardo DiCaprio, who was introduced on the show as seemingly a last ditch attempt to keep Growing Pains going, has reached greater hights of stardom than the supposed young "breakout star" Cameron has or will in his entire lifetime!

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TJL · 03-23-2002, 11:08 AM

I thik his religious values have greatly heur his career.
The "E True Hollywood Story" abut "Growing Pains" greatly inferred that his new religious values alienated the cast and the executives. Julie McCollugh blames him for getting her thrown off the show becasue she posed for Playboy.
He tried to get the writers to change his character from a "bad boy" who always schemed and got into trouble into a more righteous person, which is okay if you want to be a good role model to young viewers, but being the bad boy were the traits that made the character popular!
You can't just expect an entire show to change overnight.

I think his religious views have hurt his and his wife's careers.

8o's girl · 03-31-2002, 10:31 PM

I admire Kirk's moral convictions, but they definitely hurt his acting career. He was supposed to be a "teen idol", but he refused to do any of the standard things - love scenes or even appearing shirtless. He never used his good looks or killer physique to his advantage. As a result while all teen idols ultimately fade away, Kirk dropped off the radar screen completely when GP went off the air. Too bad!

RWCTV · 04-03-2002, 11:00 AM

At first, I was about to say "Hell no" but I didn't know half the stuff I read in this thread. I think that if he made them change the format overnight then yes in the sense of Growing Pains, but wasn't the show suppose to be a family show anyway?

We are also forgetting that Kirk was in "Like Father, Like Son" with Dudley Moore and there didn't seem like there was any too-religiousness going on then. He was excellent in Left Behind, where the mideast is going against all of Israel and the Rapture happens leaving many missing (a dissappearance) which he finds that he is left behind and has to somehow overcome the power of the man who brings a 7 year peace treaty (later revealed as the Antichrist).

Where was I going with this? Well, I think it has and it hasn't. Look at Lisa Welchel. She was a Christian when she was doing "The Facts of Life" and she barely refused her scripts. She did refuse when the producers wanted her character to loose her virginity, but she wanted to remain the proper role model.

17Mar59 · 05-16-2002, 12:10 AM

If I recall correctly Kirk Cameron plays the role of journalist
Buck Williams in the Left Behind movie,since they are supposedly
going to turn all of the novels into movies it looks like it will be
a regular job for him as Buck is one of the main characters.
As far as his faith hurting his career,I really don't think so.
After all having a strong Christian faith never hurt Roy Rogers
and Dale Evans or Jimmy Stewart.

TheBeaver · 05-27-2002, 11:52 AM

It may have hurt his career here but he;ll be a star in Heaven. For me personaly, i like him better now than when he was on Growing pains because of his faith.

God bless you Kirk

RWCTV · 05-28-2002, 06:45 PM

You are absolutely right Beaver, In fact he will also reap many rewards for what he is doing by trying to win souls for Christ.

pontoon · 05-28-2002, 08:11 PM

...but it ****es me off when someone's 'religion' or beliefs have such a profound effect on someone elses life!

OK...so the lady posed for Playboy! Big frickin' deal! Does that mean...that because you're opposed to that kinda behavior because of your 'religious beliefs', you have the right to play 'puppet-master' with someone else!

What did he think...he'd get eternal salvation for exposing the 'little hussie'? Sorry, but all it did IMO was make him look like real moron!

Here's one for you Kirk!

pontoon

RWCTV · 05-29-2002, 08:13 AM

In understand what you're saying and how you feel, but you are wording it all wrong. Religion is usually connected with evil in the bible and belief makes it as though God is unreal in reality and real only to certain individual people. If there wasn't a God, B.C. wouldn't be used in the calender, the building of the 3rd temple in Jerusalem would never be talked about, Christmas wouldn't exist, Easter would be a day off because of a rabbit, and that is just the simple petty stuff. That is what a belief is. I know, because I had the same argument with my sister (lol).

Anyway aside from the above, I understand how you feel. I actually never heard about that. He didn't have to like the fact that she appeared in Playboy. He could have expressed his concern to her, but if she didn't want to listen to it, she didn't have to. That is why God gives everyone free choice.

newlife · 01-24-2004, 02:58 PM

I don't think he hurt his career so much as much as he choose another career. He is awsome in the ministry, I have heard him preach and he really has found his calling. He says himself he made mistakes when he was younger in understanding the values of his religion, and thats partly what his ministry deals with is how to live your faith and share it in a way that is comfortable for people. If you ever get the chance to see him in person, put aside your personal beliefs and go have a listen.

EricIdlefan · 01-30-2004, 06:50 PM

He did act like a prima-donna getting Julie McCoullegh fired for Playboy and though I don't agree with her decision to do that, Kirk had no right to fire her and when he snubbed the cast and crew was not right at all unless he wanted only family and relatives and it hasn't hurt his career in the Hollywood where religions like Buddhism, Christian Scientology or Scientology just without the Christian, and/or Judiasm hasn't hurt celebrities careers. But I applaud Kirk for standing up to his Christian beliefs!!

newlife · 01-30-2004, 07:11 PM

I really don't think he got that Julie girl fired, The producers said have said as much in interviews- like on the Entertainment tonight special. So I don't think he really had anything to do with it. And besides thats a risk you take when you pose in playboy. How in the world did she not thinkl that if she really wanted a respectable career that posing in playboy was not going to hurt her? I think Kirk's religion thing was a good and convient way for her to get some attention.

Dilly · 02-24-2004, 09:22 PM

I have no problem with being christian. I think what Kirk did was use his beliefs in an unchristian way while on the show. He was judgmental and unkind to all in his dealings on the show. All his castmates and the crew were hurt by his snubbing and behind the scenes actions and that isn't the way the teachings in the Bible state. I am sure Kirk must feel bad or embarrassed but it doesnt sound if he's appologized to anyone.

EricIdlefan · 02-25-2004, 03:19 AM

BTW, he snubbed the cast and crew at his 1991 wedding to Chelsea Noble and that really hurt the cast and crew they said on the E True Hollywood Story

newlife · 02-25-2004, 09:33 AM

I have said all of this another post anyway...I think you are being very judgemental none of us have all the facts about what happened back then. But if you know anything at all what Kirk does now in his ministry maybe you wouldn't be so quick to judge. The focus is about helping new Christians to understand how to live in thier faith and how to not offend people who are not christian. Kirk is very appoligetic about and honest about what happened back then, I think he has a lot of courage to admit he was wrong. The cast is currently making another t.v movie do you think they would do that if they hated each other? As for the wedding thing - if they hated him so much why did they want to go so badly? If he was that much of jerk I wouldn't have wanted to go, but they did so ...sometimes the past is the past and people forgive and forget...

03-23-2002, 05:06 AM	#1
TMC Member Forum Idol Join Date: Jan 09, 2001 Posts: 124,387	Kirk Cameron's Strong Religious Values: Did it Hurt His Career Personally, even though I'll give him credit for seemingly trying to point out a considerable amount failing morale and responsibility in what's produced in show business (he did reportedly once accuse some executives of being "pornographers") you still can't deny that it ultimately hampered his career in return. I say this because one can get rather picky (not to mention pretty whipped if he has to have his wife join up in virtually every project that he's involved in) and restrained from pushing the "boundries" when necessarily. If it isn't that, then I would say that this is an case of bad karma (e.g. helping get Julie McCullough fired and not inviting his co-stars to his wedding). To add insult to injury, Leonardo DiCaprio, who was introduced on the show as seemingly a last ditch attempt to keep Growing Pains going, has reached greater hights of stardom than the supposed young "breakout star" Cameron has or will in his entire lifetime! http://www.geocities.com/tmc_132000/..._to_Worse.html

03-23-2002, 11:08 AM	#2
TJL Suburbanite Extrordinaire Forum Star Join Date: Dec 29, 2001 Location: New Jersey - the cradle of civilization Posts: 16,591	I thik his religious values have greatly heur his career. The "E True Hollywood Story" abut "Growing Pains" greatly inferred that his new religious values alienated the cast and the executives. Julie McCollugh blames him for getting her thrown off the show becasue she posed for Playboy. He tried to get the writers to change his character from a "bad boy" who always schemed and got into trouble into a more righteous person, which is okay if you want to be a good role model to young viewers, but being the bad boy were the traits that made the character popular! You can't just expect an entire show to change overnight. I think his religious views have hurt his and his wife's careers.
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04-03-2002, 11:00 AM	#4
RWCTV Making Sense Senior Member Join Date: Sep 21, 2001 Location: Lockport, IL USA Posts: 1,138	Kirk's faith At first, I was about to say "Hell no" but I didn't know half the stuff I read in this thread. I think that if he made them change the format overnight then yes in the sense of Growing Pains, but wasn't the show suppose to be a family show anyway? We are also forgetting that Kirk was in "Like Father, Like Son" with Dudley Moore and there didn't seem like there was any too-religiousness going on then. He was excellent in Left Behind, where the mideast is going against all of Israel and the Rapture happens leaving many missing (a dissappearance) which he finds that he is left behind and has to somehow overcome the power of the man who brings a 7 year peace treaty (later revealed as the Antichrist). Where was I going with this? Well, I think it has and it hasn't. Look at Lisa Welchel. She was a Christian when she was doing "The Facts of Life" and she barely refused her scripts. She did refuse when the producers wanted her character to loose her virginity, but she wanted to remain the proper role model.
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05-28-2002, 06:45 PM	#7
RWCTV Making Sense Senior Member Join Date: Sep 21, 2001 Location: Lockport, IL USA Posts: 1,138	You're right You are absolutely right Beaver, In fact he will also reap many rewards for what he is doing by trying to win souls for Christ.

05-28-2002, 08:11 PM	#8
pontoon ~~VOTE GOAT!~~ Frequent Poster Join Date: Apr 30, 2002 Location: Ba-a-a-a-a-ck at work. Posts: 219	Hey, that's really great for him... ...but it ****es me off when someone's 'religion' or beliefs have such a profound effect on someone elses life! OK...so the lady posed for Playboy! Big frickin' deal! Does that mean...that because you're opposed to that kinda behavior because of your 'religious beliefs', you have the right to play 'puppet-master' with someone else! What did he think...he'd get eternal salvation for exposing the 'little hussie'? Sorry, but all it did IMO was make him look like real moron! Here's one for you Kirk! pontoon

03-31-2002, 10:31 PM	#3
8o's girl Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Feb 13, 2002 Location: mass Posts: 132	I admire Kirk's moral convictions, but they definitely hurt his acting career. He was supposed to be a "teen idol", but he refused to do any of the standard things - love scenes or even appearing shirtless. He never used his good looks or killer physique to his advantage. As a result while all teen idols ultimately fade away, Kirk dropped off the radar screen completely when GP went off the air. Too bad!

05-16-2002, 12:10 AM	#5
17Mar59 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jan 03, 2002 Location: washington state Posts: 475	If I recall correctly Kirk Cameron plays the role of journalist Buck Williams in the Left Behind movie,since they are supposedly going to turn all of the novels into movies it looks like it will be a regular job for him as Buck is one of the main characters. As far as his faith hurting his career,I really don't think so. After all having a strong Christian faith never hurt Roy Rogers and Dale Evans or Jimmy Stewart.

05-27-2002, 11:52 AM	#6
TheBeaver Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jan 26, 2002 Posts: 50	It may have hurt his career here but he;ll be a star in Heaven. For me personaly, i like him better now than when he was on Growing pains because of his faith. God bless you Kirk

05-29-2002, 08:13 AM	#9
RWCTV Making Sense Senior Member Join Date: Sep 21, 2001 Location: Lockport, IL USA Posts: 1,138	In understand what you're saying and how you feel, but you are wording it all wrong. Religion is usually connected with evil in the bible and belief makes it as though God is unreal in reality and real only to certain individual people. If there wasn't a God, B.C. wouldn't be used in the calender, the building of the 3rd temple in Jerusalem would never be talked about, Christmas wouldn't exist, Easter would be a day off because of a rabbit, and that is just the simple petty stuff. That is what a belief is. I know, because I had the same argument with my sister (lol). Anyway aside from the above, I understand how you feel. I actually never heard about that. He didn't have to like the fact that she appeared in Playboy. He could have expressed his concern to her, but if she didn't want to listen to it, she didn't have to. That is why God gives everyone free choice.

01-24-2004, 02:58 PM	#10
newlife Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jan 24, 2004 Posts: 69	I don't think he hurt his career so much as much as he choose another career. He is awsome in the ministry, I have heard him preach and he really has found his calling. He says himself he made mistakes when he was younger in understanding the values of his religion, and thats partly what his ministry deals with is how to live your faith and share it in a way that is comfortable for people. If you ever get the chance to see him in person, put aside your personal beliefs and go have a listen.

01-30-2004, 06:50 PM	#11
EricIdlefan June Bug & School's Out Forum Addict Join Date: Oct 12, 2003 Location: East TN Posts: 68,234	He did act like a prima-donna getting Julie McCoullegh fired for Playboy and though I don't agree with her decision to do that, Kirk had no right to fire her and when he snubbed the cast and crew was not right at all unless he wanted only family and relatives and it hasn't hurt his career in the Hollywood where religions like Buddhism, Christian Scientology or Scientology just without the Christian, and/or Judiasm hasn't hurt celebrities careers. But I applaud Kirk for standing up to his Christian beliefs!!
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01-30-2004, 07:11 PM	#12
newlife Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jan 24, 2004 Posts: 69	I really don't think he got that Julie girl fired, The producers said have said as much in interviews- like on the Entertainment tonight special. So I don't think he really had anything to do with it. And besides thats a risk you take when you pose in playboy. How in the world did she not thinkl that if she really wanted a respectable career that posing in playboy was not going to hurt her? I think Kirk's religion thing was a good and convient way for her to get some attention.

02-24-2004, 09:22 PM	#13
Dilly Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Nov 03, 2003 Location: California Posts: 133	I have no problem with being christian. I think what Kirk did was use his beliefs in an unchristian way while on the show. He was judgmental and unkind to all in his dealings on the show. All his castmates and the crew were hurt by his snubbing and behind the scenes actions and that isn't the way the teachings in the Bible state. I am sure Kirk must feel bad or embarrassed but it doesnt sound if he's appologized to anyone.

02-25-2004, 03:19 AM	#14
EricIdlefan June Bug & School's Out Forum Addict Join Date: Oct 12, 2003 Location: East TN Posts: 68,234	BTW, he snubbed the cast and crew at his 1991 wedding to Chelsea Noble and that really hurt the cast and crew they said on the E True Hollywood Story

02-25-2004, 09:33 AM	#15
newlife Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jan 24, 2004 Posts: 69	I have said all of this another post anyway...I think you are being very judgemental none of us have all the facts about what happened back then. But if you know anything at all what Kirk does now in his ministry maybe you wouldn't be so quick to judge. The focus is about helping new Christians to understand how to live in thier faith and how to not offend people who are not christian. Kirk is very appoligetic about and honest about what happened back then, I think he has a lot of courage to admit he was wrong. The cast is currently making another t.v movie do you think they would do that if they hated each other? As for the wedding thing - if they hated him so much why did they want to go so badly? If he was that much of jerk I wouldn't have wanted to go, but they did so ...sometimes the past is the past and people forgive and forget...