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let'swatchtv · 02-05-2014, 11:55 AM

To continue on with the "Boned a Fish" series from other forums from this site, I want to talk about a company that has owned the rights to many of the classic Goodson-Todman, Grundy, Currthers and Hatos-Hall library of shows which has turned their current remakes and revivals of these 30-minute classic treasures of television into 30-minute former graveyards that shouldn't be on television in the first place.

so if your ready, open up your heart and spit the bitter taste of truth come out of your very own weary soul if you can.

bmasters9 · 02-05-2014, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by let'swatchtv

To continue on with the "Boned a Fish" series from other forums from this site, I want to talk about a company that has owned the rights to many of the classic Goodson-Todman, Grundy, Currthers and Hatos-Hall library of shows which has turned their current remakes and revivals of these 30-minute classic treasures of television into 30-minute former graveyards that shouldn't be on television in the first place.

so if your ready, open up your heart and spit the bitter taste of truth come out of your very own weary soul if you can.

They did it when Temptation came out in '07! I'm sure you'll agree that Reg Grundy, Jim Perry and company knew what they were doing on NBC and in syndication far more than Fremantle did.

howilu · 02-05-2014, 05:02 PM

They definitely boned when they ruined an outstanding gambling game in Card Sharks. The producers eliminated the survey questions and inserted Street Smartslike elements.

let'swatchtv · 02-06-2014, 03:56 AM

I do agree with you on both Temptation and Card Sharks ('01) getting the bad plastic surgery syndrome.

but to be fair and not to be offensive to you at all but with Card Sharks ('01) boned the format when they were formerly Pearson Television but again their the same company so it doesn't matter am I right?

also did Al Howard, Jack Kelly & Joe Garagiola knew what they're doing in the original "Sale" as well?

bmasters9 · 02-06-2014, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by let'swatchtv

also did Al Howard, Jack Kelly & Joe Garagiola knew what they're doing in the original "Sale" as well?

Hard to say! I haven't seen that much of it.

Vahan · 02-06-2014, 11:32 AM

There seems to be a bit of a misconception in this thread: Fremantlemedia didn't exist yet when the likes of Match Game '98 and Card Sharks '01 were in production, and Family Feud had Louie Anderson as host.

It all started way back in 1991. LBS Communications, the distributor of Baywatch and the Syndicated version of Family Feud, had filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy after 15 years of operation. They sold all of their remaining shares to All-American Television, who took over distribution of both shows. In 1995, they purchased the Goodson-Todman library.

In 1998, All-American Television was sold to Pearson plc's Pearson Television division, and remained that way, until 2002, when Pearson merged its TV arm with CLT-UFA to form the Luxembourg based media conglomerate RTL Group, the largest commercial television and radio broadcaster in the EU, with the production arm forming FremantleMedia.

Not that it excuses these previously-mentioned bad revivals, just wanted to clear things up.

let'swatchtv · 02-08-2014, 05:18 PM

Thank you for giving us the 411 on the origins of the company Vahan and I apologize for any mistakes made. also you may have forgotten about ''To Tell the Truth'' with John O'Hurley at the time was on the rise as well.

SitcomsOffline · 01-06-2015, 11:47 PM

When they inherited the Goodson-Todman library...

mets82 · 01-07-2015, 05:55 PM

This is more of what I've been saying on the almost 4 years on this board. Companies feeling like old shows are obsolete and when they do bring them back, its in THERE own vision and nobody elses which is why they usually tank.

TMC · 08-13-2015, 03:51 AM

History Of Fremantle Part 4 - The Fremantle Years (2008 - Present Day)

History Of Fremantle Part 3 - The Fremantle Years (2002-2007)

History Of Fremantle Part 2 - The Pearson Years

History Of Fremantle Part 1 - The All-American Years

mets82 · 08-28-2015, 04:46 PM

Just read all four parts. I think the problem is that people just want a simple game show that's easy to follow and not all bells and whistles.

Regulus · 08-31-2015, 11:32 AM

Freemantlemedia "Jumped the Shark" when they only released Seasons 2-4 (and six episodes from season one) from Baywatch in the USA, and also changed the opening theme.

Heaven knows how many frustrated collectors turned to I

r.com, S

l.com or some "other source" to get the remainder of the set.

PS My "Homemade DVDs" of this series came from the German release, they got the whole nine yards of this show.

bgva · 09-04-2015, 12:00 AM

I would say most of their shows are pretty bad. Family Feud has a strange obsession with 7th grade humor, and tries too hard to invent juvenile euphemisms for survey answers. For example, "condom" was once listed as "Dong Sarong". This happens pretty regularly.

On Let's Make a Deal, the "Big Deal of the Day" is now played by one contestant, instead of two. I imagine it's a budget move, which doesn't surprise me. Fremantle likes to cut corners, even if it means the quality is lost.

During the final segment, when Wayne (or Monty) goes through the audience asking for random items, one lady showed off something (say, a tube of lipstick), and mentioned she saw it on Twitter. In other words, the show tweeted to bring a tube of lipstick and you could win. It really kills the whole spontaneity, which brings me to my other point: Fremantle tries to "make" these moments happen, instead of letting them happen naturally. It's very manufactured.

Other posters summed up why their shows aren't very good, and IMO, the biggest thing is, they're so...generic. On the classic versions from the 50s-90s, it seemed like the producers actually cared and put effort into the programs. Fremantle shows feel pre-packaged and mass produced for a paycheck. Even Drew Carey seems like he's just going through the motions on The Price is Right, and he's been there for eight years now. Everything is so robotic and monotonous.

mets82 · 09-04-2015, 03:04 PM

You know it does seem like Family Feud says a lot of sexual overtones. I do think Price is Right isnt the same. I mean whenever did have so many gimmick shows? Thats usually not a good sign when that happens, isnt it?

rusty spike · 09-04-2015, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bgva

I would say most of their shows are pretty bad. Family Feud has a strange obsession with 7th grade humor, and tries too hard to invent juvenile euphemisms for survey answers. For example, "condom" was once listed as "Dong Sarong". This happens pretty regularly.

On Let's Make a Deal, the "Big Deal of the Day" is now played by one contestant, instead of two. I imagine it's a budget move, which doesn't surprise me. Fremantle likes to cut corners, even if it means the quality is lost.

During the final segment, when Wayne (or Monty) goes through the audience asking for random items, one lady showed off something (say, a tube of lipstick), and mentioned she saw it on Twitter. In other words, the show tweeted to bring a tube of lipstick and you could win. It really kills the whole spontaneity, which brings me to my other point: Fremantle tries to "make" these moments happen, instead of letting them happen naturally. It's very manufactured.

Other posters summed up why their shows aren't very good, and IMO, the biggest thing is, they're so...generic. On the classic versions from the 50s-90s, it seemed like the producers actually cared and put effort into the programs. Fremantle shows feel pre-packaged and mass produced for a paycheck. Even Drew Carey seems like he's just going through the motions on The Price is Right, and he's been there for eight years now. Everything is so robotic and monotonous.

Spot on!
One of the best analysis of why today's shows are awful.

02-05-2014, 11:55 AM	#1
let'swatchtv Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jun 13, 2012 Location: Winston-Salem N.C. Posts: 725	Fremantlemedia boned a fish when... To continue on with the "Boned a Fish" series from other forums from this site, I want to talk about a company that has owned the rights to many of the classic Goodson-Todman, Grundy, Currthers and Hatos-Hall library of shows which has turned their current remakes and revivals of these 30-minute classic treasures of television into 30-minute former graveyards that shouldn't be on television in the first place. so if your ready, open up your heart and spit the bitter taste of truth come out of your very own weary soul if you can.

02-08-2014, 05:18 PM	#7
let'swatchtv Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jun 13, 2012 Location: Winston-Salem N.C. Posts: 725	Thank you for giving us the 411 on the origins of the company Vahan and I apologize for any mistakes made. also you may have forgotten about ''To Tell the Truth'' with John O'Hurley at the time was on the rise as well.
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mets82 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Mar 14, 2011 Location: Connecticut Posts: 5,058	This is more of what I've been saying on the almost 4 years on this board. Companies feeling like old shows are obsolete and when they do bring them back, its in THERE own vision and nobody elses which is why they usually tank.
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02-05-2014, 05:02 PM	#3
howilu Member Senior Member Join Date: Apr 20, 2003 Location: St. Louis Park, MN Posts: 1,964	They definitely boned when they ruined an outstanding gambling game in Card Sharks. The producers eliminated the survey questions and inserted Street Smartslike elements.

02-06-2014, 03:56 AM	#4
let'swatchtv Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jun 13, 2012 Location: Winston-Salem N.C. Posts: 725	I do agree with you on both Temptation and Card Sharks ('01) getting the bad plastic surgery syndrome. but to be fair and not to be offensive to you at all but with Card Sharks ('01) boned the format when they were formerly Pearson Television but again their the same company so it doesn't matter am I right? also did Al Howard, Jack Kelly & Joe Garagiola knew what they're doing in the original "Sale" as well?

02-06-2014, 11:32 AM	#6
Vahan Member Senior Member Join Date: Jan 14, 2008 Posts: 2,712	There seems to be a bit of a misconception in this thread: Fremantlemedia didn't exist yet when the likes of Match Game '98 and Card Sharks '01 were in production, and Family Feud had Louie Anderson as host. It all started way back in 1991. LBS Communications, the distributor of Baywatch and the Syndicated version of Family Feud, had filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy after 15 years of operation. They sold all of their remaining shares to All-American Television, who took over distribution of both shows. In 1995, they purchased the Goodson-Todman library. In 1998, All-American Television was sold to Pearson plc's Pearson Television division, and remained that way, until 2002, when Pearson merged its TV arm with CLT-UFA to form the Luxembourg based media conglomerate RTL Group, the largest commercial television and radio broadcaster in the EU, with the production arm forming FremantleMedia. Not that it excuses these previously-mentioned bad revivals, just wanted to clear things up.

01-06-2015, 11:47 PM	#8
SitcomsOffline Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Nov 03, 2013 Posts: 492	When they inherited the Goodson-Todman library...

08-13-2015, 03:51 AM	#10
TMC Member Forum Idol Join Date: Jan 09, 2001 Posts: 126,764	History Of Fremantle Part 4 - The Fremantle Years (2008 - Present Day) History Of Fremantle Part 3 - The Fremantle Years (2002-2007) History Of Fremantle Part 2 - The Pearson Years History Of Fremantle Part 1 - The All-American Years

08-28-2015, 04:46 PM	#11
mets82 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Mar 14, 2011 Location: Connecticut Posts: 5,058	Just read all four parts. I think the problem is that people just want a simple game show that's easy to follow and not all bells and whistles.

09-04-2015, 12:00 AM	#13
bgva Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 10, 2015 Location: VA Posts: 413	I would say most of their shows are pretty bad. Family Feud has a strange obsession with 7th grade humor, and tries too hard to invent juvenile euphemisms for survey answers. For example, "condom" was once listed as "Dong Sarong". This happens pretty regularly. On Let's Make a Deal, the "Big Deal of the Day" is now played by one contestant, instead of two. I imagine it's a budget move, which doesn't surprise me. Fremantle likes to cut corners, even if it means the quality is lost. During the final segment, when Wayne (or Monty) goes through the audience asking for random items, one lady showed off something (say, a tube of lipstick), and mentioned she saw it on Twitter. In other words, the show tweeted to bring a tube of lipstick and you could win. It really kills the whole spontaneity, which brings me to my other point: Fremantle tries to "make" these moments happen, instead of letting them happen naturally. It's very manufactured. Other posters summed up why their shows aren't very good, and IMO, the biggest thing is, they're so...generic. On the classic versions from the 50s-90s, it seemed like the producers actually cared and put effort into the programs. Fremantle shows feel pre-packaged and mass produced for a paycheck. Even Drew Carey seems like he's just going through the motions on The Price is Right, and he's been there for eight years now. Everything is so robotic and monotonous.

09-04-2015, 03:04 PM	#14
mets82 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Mar 14, 2011 Location: Connecticut Posts: 5,058	You know it does seem like Family Feud says a lot of sexual overtones. I do think Price is Right isnt the same. I mean whenever did have so many gimmick shows? Thats usually not a good sign when that happens, isnt it?