Happy 25 to Win, Lose or Draw

[simmytbone]

Hey guys,

25 years ago this fall, we were introduced to the Quick Draw Game that Everybody's Playing

It's Win, Lose or Draw

Win, Lose or Draw aired for 5 years on Television here in America

On Network, Syndication and a Teen Version on Cable TV

Both the NBC daytime and afternoon syndicated series premiered on September 7, 1987. The teams were composed of two celebrities and a contestant.

The Teen Version aired on the Disney Channel from April 29, 1989 to April 28, 1990, and again from September 10, 1990 to September 26, 1992.

Reruns of the syndicated version aired on the USA Network from December 31, 1990 to December 24, 1992 and also on Game Show Network from April 15, 2002 to March 14, 2004.

Gameplay
Two teams, men versus women, each composed of two celebrities and one contestant, took turns guessing a phrase, title or thing that one teammate was drawing on a large pad of paper with markers. The drawer could not speak about the subject in his or her drawing and could not use letters, numbers, or symbols. If one of these illegal clues was used, any money won in that puzzle was split between the two teams. However, if a non-drawing team member mentioned a word that was part of the answer, their teammate at the sketch pad was then allowed to write it down.

In the first three rounds, each team had 60 seconds to solve a puzzle, earning $200 for a correct guess. @ the 30 second mark, a doorbell sounded, and the drawing player had the option of handing the marker off to one of his/her teammates, but the puzzle value would then be cut in half. If the team did not guess within the time limit, the opposing team was given one chance to confer and guess. If they gave the correct answer, they were awarded the money; if not, no money was awarded. The first round was later changed to have the drawing contestant sketch a series of clues to a puzzle, one clue at a time. If the team guessed the puzzle from the identified clues, they scored $200.

Following round three, one player for each team was nominated to draw clues in a 90-second speed round. The topics for drawing were simpler for this round compared to those in previous rounds. Each correct guess was worth $100, and the team could only pass twice. The speed round started with the team that was ahead. The team with the most money at the end of the game won, and the contestant on the winning team received a $1,000 bonus in addition to the money they had already earned. The contestant on the losing team only received the money earned. If both teams were tied at the end of the speed round, each contestant received a $500 bonus.

1989–1990 Changes
The first three rounds were played as outlined above, except that the drawer's partners could not start guessing until 25 seconds had elapsed. In addition, the drawer could not hand the marker off at the halfway point. A correct guess after the first 25 seconds was worth $200, and after 30 seconds it was reduced to $100. A successful steal by an opponent was worth only $50.

In the speed round, the drawer had 60 seconds to convey as many correct answers to his/her teammates as possible. Each correct guess was worth $50 instead of $100, although the team could still pass twice. The team with the most money won the game and advanced to the bonus round.

Tie-breaker
If the game ended in a tie, a tie-breaker was played with the last team to play the speed round going first. The drawer received a choice of two words, leaving the other for the other team to play. The first team established a time with their chosen word for the second team to beat. The team who guessed their word in the shorter amount of time won the game and advanced to the bonus round.

Bonus round
The champion team attempted to draw and guess clues for 90 seconds, similar to the speed round. The first correct guess earned $50, with each one thereafter doubling the money. Passing cost the contestant all bonus cash earned up to that point. Identifying seven drawings in 90 seconds (regardless of the number of passes) won the contestant $5,000.
Champions on this version could stay on the show until they were defeated or won ten games.

In 1989, The Disney Channel produced a teen version called Teen Win, Lose or Draw

Gameplay
Two teams of three teenage players, consisting of one celebrity and two civilian contestants and divided boys vs. girls, competed in a game of sketchpad charades played similar to the regular Win, Lose, or Draw. The team played for points and prizes instead of dollars in this version.

Clue Puzzle Round
In this round, one player had 60 seconds to draw a series of words to convey to his or her partners. Each word was a clue to a puzzle, which the team had a chance to solve the puzzle after time expired. A correct answer was worth 200 points, while an incorrect answer allowed the opposing team to guess in an attempt to steal the points.

Phrase Round
A category was given to the team (such as "things you hope won't happen while you're babysitting" and "things kids want to do when they grow up"). One player drew a phrase for 60 seconds while his/her partners tried to guess it. After the first 30 seconds, the drawer could either keep drawing or hand the marker off to one of his/her partners. A correct answer was worth 200 points, while a correct answer on a hand-off was worth 100 points. If time ran out, the opposing team had a chance to steal.

Speed Round
Starting with the team in the lead, one player for each team was nominated to draw clues in 90 seconds. Each correct guess was worth 100 points. The team with the most points at the end of this round won the game and a prize package.

Home versions

Board game
Milton Bradley Company created its version in 1987. It could be played like the TV show or a variation of the game with pawns and a gameboard. Party, Junior, and Travel Junior editions were produced, plus a Refill Pack for the game.

Computer and video games
Hi Tech Expressions released two editions of the DOS version of the game in 1988 plus a Junior Version, followed by a Nintendo version in 1989. Both versions of this party game featured a scene set in a living room, with the game contestants (representing real-life players) seated on opposite couches, much like the television show. While the game system drew a picture on the screen, one of the players would have a limited amount (60 seconds for the main game, and 90 for the speed round) of time to type in the word or phrase represented by the image. If the player typed in the incorrect answer, a player on the opposing team would have an opportunity to type the correct answer (in single-player games, the game system would type a random incorrect answer). The team that typed the correct answer would win money for that round. The team that earned the most money at the end of the game won.

There were 4 different host and a sub-host

The NBC Daytime Version was hosted by none other than the Queen of Game Shows herself Victoria Ann Axelrad better known as Vicki Lawrence who hosted the series from September 7, 1987 through September 1, 1989

She is best known for her Game Show Appearances on such shows as Match Game w/Gene Rayburn, Ross Shafer and Michael Burger, Password Plus, Super Password w/Bert Convy, Showoffs w/Bobby Van, The Original Card Sharks w/Jim Perry, The Original Chain Reaction w/Bill Cullen, GO w/Kevin O'Connell, Double Talk w/Henry Polic II, Body Language w/Tom Kennedy, Trivia Trap w/Bob Eubanks, The Weakest Link w/Anne Robinson and of course, Pyramid w/Pyramid King Dick Clark, Bill Cullen, John Davidson and Donny Osmond

She appeared on every version of Pyramid except for the short-lived $50,000 version and she is a huge Game Show Fanatic

She is also best known for her role as Mama Thelma Harper on The Carol Burnett Show and its spin-off Mama's Family and she even hosted her own short-lived Talk Show simply titled Vicki which aired during the 93/94 Season

She is also a singer best known for her #1 Hit Song "The Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia" which was #1 on the Pop Chart in Canada and here in America and it was also a Top 10 Hit on the Adult Contemporary Chart written by her ex-husband Bobby Russell

She still acts and appears on TV and on stage to this day and she is also married to Make-Up Artist Al Schultz for almost 40 years and they have 2 children Daughter, Courtney Allison Schultz, born May 5th, 1975 Son, Garrett Lawrence Schultz, born July 3rd, 1977

She still remains Good Friends with Carol Burnett, Tim Conway, Tom Kennedy and of course, Betty White

She was also Good Friends w/Dick Clark and Bill Cullen

Vicki Lawrence stands 5'6"

The syndicated version was hosted by the late Bernard Whalen Convy also known as Bert Convy who also co-produced the show

Bert has appeared on many TV Shows such as The Partridge Family, Night Gallery, The Original Perry Mason, Fantasy Island and The Love Boat and as a Game Show Host, he hosted TattleTales for CBS Daytime during the 70's and 80's produced by Mark Goodson-Bill Todman Productions

after TattleTales, he hosted another Game Show produced by Mark Goodson Productions Super Password which lasted 4 1/2 years on NBC Daytime

during the 89/90 season, while still producing Win, Lose or Draw, he hosted his Final Game Show entitled The 3rd Degree

Sadly, on July 15, 1991 just 8 days before his 58th Birthday, Bert Convy passed away from a Brain Tumor

He is survived by his 1st wife Anne, his 2nd wife Catherine Hills and his 3 children Jennifer who also appeared on Who's the Boss?, and programs for TLC and HGTV and his 2 sons Joshua and Jonah

He stood 6'1"

with Convy hosting The 3rd Degree, a new host was hired and his name was Robb Weller

Weller hosted Entertainment Tonight from 1984 to 1986 alongside the face of E.T. Mary Hart.

He previously co-hosted the former Sunday edition of Good Day L.A. with Nischelle Turner and Elizabeth Espinosa, and hosted the first season of The Home Show on ABC and the syndicated version of Win, Lose or Draw from 1989 to 1990. He also hosted the local talk shows Celebration! for Warner Cable's innovative QUBE system in Columbus, Ohio, and WLS-TV's AM Chicago, which Oprah Winfrey would eventually take over and turn into her nationally syndicated series.

He currently appears as the co-anchor of FOX 11 Sunday Morning News with Gina Silva at KTTV in Los Angeles.

There was also a sub-host for the NBC Daytime Version of Win, Lose or Draw and that sub-host was Television's Favorite Sally Struthers who also appeared on such Game Shows as the All-New Star Studded Match Game with Ross Shafer, The Hollywood Squares w/Peter Marshall, Showoffs w/Bobby Van, Password Plus and Super Password

She is best known for her roles as Gloria Stivic on All in the Family, for which she won two Emmy awards and the spin-off Gloria and as Babette on Gilmore Girls

She also did voiceovers for such shows as Pebbles and Bamm-Bamm Show as the voice of Pebbles, Rebecca Cunningham on Disney's TaleSpin-the spin-off of Disney's The Jungle Book and the voice of Charlene Sinclair on Jim Henson's Dinosaurs

She was also a spokesperson for ICS-Independent Correspondence Schools

Today, she continues to appear on TV and Stage

Finally, their was a host for Teen Win, Lose or Draw and the host was Actor/Comedian Marc Price who also appeared on NBC's The Weakest Link w/Anne Robinson

He is best known for playing Alex Keaton's Best Friend Irwin "Skippy" Handelman on the NBC Sitcom Family Ties

He also worked as a stand-up comedian, drawing heavily on his experiences of growing up in Hollywood. In 2006, he appeared briefly as a contestant on Last Comic Standing but over the last decade has predominantly worked as a writer/producer for cable television networks such as Disney Channel, Food Network, Animal Planet, GSN, Showtime and more. He has also produced the TBS gaming show Midnight Money Madness.

Marc Price also played Eddie 'Ragman' Weinbauer in the 1986 cult film, Trick or Treat.

Price also appeared in the 1988 action-adventure film, The Rescue with Kevin Dillon.

Gene Wood and Bob Hilton were the announcers for the Adult Versions while Mark L. Walberg of Russian Roulette Fame was the announcer for the Teen Version

The NBC & Syndicated Versions were Recorded @ CBS Television City in Hollywood while the Teen Version was taped in 2 different places:

The 1989 Version was taped at the Disney MGM Studios in Lake Buena Vista, FL which was also the home to The All-New Mickey Mouse Club, Adventures in Wonderland and WCW Worldwide Wrestling as well as the Summer '96 Edition of WCW Monday NITRO on TNT

The last 2 seasons was Videotaped @ Hollywood Center Studios, Hollywood, CA which was also the home to JEOPARDY! and Supermarket Sweep as well as Fun House, College Mad House, Shop 'til you Drop, Friend or Foe w/Kennedy, Love Connection and Soul Train w/the late Don Cornelius

The set to the Adult Versions was designed by John C. Mula who also designed the set to Barry & Eright Classics such as The Joker's Wild w/Jack Barry & Bill Cullen, The NEW Tic Tac Dough w/Wink Martindale, Hot Potato w/Uncle Bill and the awesome BULLSEYE w/Jim Lange and the set to the Teen Version was designed by Scott Storey

Music for both versions were composed by Thomas Morrison

All Versions of Win Lose or Draw were Produced by Burt & Bert Productions headed by Burt Reynolds and the late Bert Convy

The NBC & Syndicated Versions were co-produced by Kline & Friends who also produced Pictionary w/Alan Thicke of Growing Pains Fame, Break the Bank 85/86 Season, Strike it Rich w/Joe Garageola and Masters of the Maze w/JD Roth of Fun House and Mario Lopez of Kids Incorporated and Saved by the Bell Fame

They also co-produced the short lived Talk Show The Marsha Warfield Show with Marsha Warfield of Night Court Fame

The Teen Version was co-produced by 2 companies:

The 1989 Version was co-produced by Jay Wolpert Productions Producer of Hit Man w/Peter Tomarken, Rodeo Drive w/Louise DuArt, Blackout w/Bob Goen, Shopping Spree w/Ron Pearson and Wait 'Til You Have Kids w/Tom Parks

The last 2 seasons were co-produced by Stone Stanley Productions (now known as Stone & Company Entertainment) Producers of Fun House, College Mad House, Shop 'til You Drop, Legends of the Hidden Temple, Quicksilver and Free 4 All, among others

all versions were Distributed by Buena Vista Television now known as Disney/abc Domestic Television

The NBC version replaced Word Play w/Tom Kennedy and joined up with other Game Shows like $ale of the Century w/Jim Perry & Summer Bartholomew, Wheel of Fortune w/Pat Sajak & Vanna White, SCRABBLE w/Chuck Woolery, Super Password w/Convy and Classic Concentration w/Alex Trebek

This show debut along w/Full House, Square One TV, A Different World and the TV Series Bustin' Loose w/Jimmie "J.J." Walker and also, Fraggle Rock moved to NBC Saturday Mornings while the Snorks and Punky Brewster moved to syndication along with Dick Clark's American Bandstand

Happy 25 to Win, Lose or Draw and God Bless Everyone



and now, here are some Video Clips for you to checkout:

The Theme to Win, Lose or Draw by Thomas Morrison
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjXaoU73qG4

NBC Daytime Version w/Vicki Lawrence

Vicki Lawrence Promoting Win, Lose or Draw coming to NBC Daytime
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Viuyf8HsOT8

Episode w/the late Eva Gabor of Green Acres Fame, Fannie Flagg of Match Game, the late Pat Morita of Happy Days and The Karate Kid and the late Robert Goulet from 12/30/87
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K57jHMyTSuY

Episode w/Kim Fields of The Facts of Life & Living Single, Jess Walton of The Young and the Restless, KISS-FM Hollywood Hamilton and Jed Allen of Santa Barbara from 1989
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnt1z6mgK4E

Episode w/Sharon Wyatt of General Hospital, Famed Actress Pat Carroll, Charles Shaughnessy of Days of our Lives and The Nanny and Legendary Talk Show Host Dick Cavett from February 1989

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeX9X-OxVik

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov6j2rqsjc0

Episode w/Queen Kong, "The Farmer's Daughter" Trudy Adams, The Wild Samoan and Sgt. Slaughter from 1989
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdYb9PU6fU8

Bert Convy hosting the Syndicated Version

Episode w/Game Show Supreme Betty White, Annie Potts of Designing Women & the film Ghostbusters I & II, the late Dom DeLuise & Burt Reynolds from 1987
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCwLKXUerFk

Another 1987 Episode w/Emma Sands of Dynasty, Judy Landers of Vega$ and BJ and the Bear, Jonathan Prince of Throb and The Quiz Kids Challenge and the King of Sweatin' to the Oldies Richard Simmons
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRa_jAkb1nI

Episode w/Loni Anderson of WKRP, Michele Lee of Knots Landing, Alan Thicke of Growing Pains & Burt Reynolds from 1988
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd9F1JDXC0Q

Another 1988 Episode w/Tony Award Winner Melba Moore, Judy Evans of Days of our Lives, Michael Winslow of Police Academy Movies and the one the only, Dick Clark of American Bandstand and Pyramid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Yg0MPrMF1I

Robb Weller hosting the 89/90 syndicated version

Episode w/Queen Kong, "The Farmer's Daughter" Trudy Adams and American Gladiators Michael "Gemini" Horton & Dan "Nitro" Clarke

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVkIKBdos8I

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE-luKg7xTE

Episode w/Dawnn Lewis & Charnele Brown of A Different World, Marc Summers of Double Dare & What Would You Do? and Steve Witting of The Hogan Family

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UCboARzizc

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mysDi8Ry5xE

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dHW0jq_jLw

Sally Struthers sub-hosting for Vicki Lawrence on the NBC Daytime Version

Episode w/Famed Stage Actress Brenda Vaccaro, Jasmine Guy of A Different World and The Vampire Diaries, Ned Beatty of Superman I & II Movies and the late Brian Keith of Hardcastle and McCormick

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrXY1Q1Pa1M

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTqoWPd-12k

Marc Price hosting Teen Win, Lose or Draw on The Disney Channel

Promo of Teen Win, Lose or Draw on The Disney Channel w/Wil Wheaton of Star Trek: TNG, Regina King of 227, Jason Hervey of The Wonder Years and Josie Davis of the syndicated Charles in Charge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVjrmIFXYwE

Episode from 1990 in Hollywood w/Soliel Moon Frye of Punky Brewster and Sabrina the Teenage Witch-The WB Years and Leonardo DiCaprio of Growing Pains and the film Titanic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12tYl4LYdfk

[Zoneboy]

This was one game show that I couldn't stand. I like Bert and Vicki but even they couldn't save it for me.

Thanks though for mentioning 3rd Degree. I loved this show but it wasn't on long and a lot of people probably don't remember it.

[Vahan]

The show was at its best with Bert and Vicki. That's all I have to give my thoughts on this show.

On a side note, the original shows' 3-year-production history was strange.

What I mean by that is for one thing, there was a pilot for the Bert Convy edition of the show, which doesn't appear to be around in most trading circles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDfYf_gio3A (rest are side-barred)

There was also a sneak preview episode for this version, that I don't think I have ever seen before. The guests were Loni Anderson, Betty White, Tony Danza, and Burt Reynolds.

They could have had the syndicated edition in mind first. And taped it first, as well.

Apparently, both editions of the show had no returning champions (though the last season, the one with Robb Weller, had them). According to trading circles, the first recorded week of the daytime edition with Vicki Lawrence didn't air until 10/10/1988. Guests were Betty White, Leann Hunley, Charles Durning, and Charles Nelson Reilly. Why it was shelved for so long, I don't know. I haven't seen it, but from what I understand, it had a 1987 copyright date.

Finally, from what I've read in those trading circles, some weeks of the daytime edition only had two celebrities instead of four. Again, why, I don't know.

[simmytbone]

Originally Posted by Zoneboy

This was one game show that I couldn't stand. I like Bert and Vicki but even they couldn't save it for me.

Thanks though for mentioning 3rd Degree. I loved this show but it wasn't on long and a lot of people probably don't remember it.

I do remember The 3rd Degree

I remember FOX TV Station KVHP-TV 29 Lake Charles, LA showed The 3rd Degree airing back to back with Win, Lose or Draw

Win, Lose or Draw w/Robb Weller aired @ 4:00 PM CST followed by The 3rd Degree @ 4:30 PM CST

and BTW, The 3rd Degree is owned by Warner Bros. Television and also, Peter Marshall was suppose to host the show, but Bert decided to host the show instead

[Zoneboy]

Originally Posted by tnawcwvictoriafa

I do remember The 3rd Degree

I remember FOX TV Station KVHP-TV 29 Lake Charles, LA showed The 3rd Degree airing back to back with Win, Lose or Draw

Now that you mention it, I believe the station that aired 3rd Degree in this market also did so back-to back with WLOD.

[let'swatchtv]

yes, the original from the 80's that made artwork look cool, and not one of the cheap-as-F**K rip-offs like Fast Draw with Johnny Gilbert (No Offense to him BTW) Pictionary with Alan Thicke or Draw Something (which has been on the air for CBS yet if i'm not mistaken).


oh and (R.I.P) Bert Convy (1933-1991).

[TMC]

http://www.gameshowgarbage.com/ind215_wellerwlod.html

Syndication: (September 1989 - June 3rd, 1990)

Debuting in September of 1987; Win, Lose or Draw was a great hit for syndication and NBC. Both runs ran concurrently and both are still fondly remembered. But then in 1989, things changed for the franchise. While Disney would add Teen Win, Lose or Draw in April of 1989, marking 3 versions of the show being ran at the same time, it would be short-lived as the NBC version would be axed due to reasons and Bert left to do 3rd Degree! What happened after that would mark one of the biggest downgrades in game show history. I present to you The Games Of '90 of Win, Lose or Draw.