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Careful posting this on abc.com junior! haha
I can't really judge the news and sports divisions with any grounds as I don't follow that closely enough but ABC's fall has been deeply disappointing. No show except Better With You is showing any life. My Generation and The Whole Truth are already cancelled. Detroit 1-8-7 is a FANTASTIC show but not really doing much in the ratings and No Ordinary Family can't stop dropping. It's right up there with The Event for most disappointing results from a highly anticipated show. Couple that with Desperate Housewives and Grey's Anatomy aging (though Grey's is still a force). And Private Practice and Brothers & Sisters are underachievers that can't perform well without a lead-in. Some would argue that is true for Castle too though I disagree. They do have some bright spots - Dancing with the Stars is as powerful as ever, The Middle is gaining strength and Modern Family is as strong as ever. Cougar Town continues to bleed its lead-in like crazy. Their scheduling leaves a lot to be desired. They always were the network that made bold moves (last year's Comedy Wednesday which turned out to be a highly successful move, 2007's all-new drama Wednesday that was doing well before the Writer's Strike messed it up). But now they just let shows languish in the same slots while shows keep trying and failing in the Weds 10pm and Thurs 8pm slots. Not to mention that they completely botched No Ordinary Family's slot as everyone knew it would get buried on Tues at 8pm. ABC had one of the most brilliant seasons in recent memory in 2004-2005 when they launched Lost, Grey's Anatomy, Desperate Housewives and Dancing with the Stars and they followed that up with edgy and interesting new shows that were sometimes successful and sometimes not (ex: Dirty Sexy Money, Pushing Daisies, Modern Family but their development just seemed to be lacking this season. They still are ok because their veteran hits still have enough life. But it seems to me like they're moving in the wrong direction while CBS and even NBC, as pathetic as it is right now, are moving in the right direction. I'll be curious to see what their development slate looks like next year. |
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Thanks for sharing those articles.
I totally agree with you, benjamoon....very well said; I've felt that way about ABC for a while. They seem to be the most popular network on this site, which I find rather surprising. Personally, I think CBS and FOX are much better. ABC is just blah to me. To be honest, except for DWTS and 1-8-7 now, I rarely watch them now...I don't find them much better than NBC. I don't watch a whole lot of network TV though. I rarely watch ABC News (GMA is good), but their coverage isn't that great to me, none of the networks' news divisions impress me though... maybe because I'm used to cable. |
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I can't remember the last time I was a regular viewer of a primetime ABC series. Probably Life on Mars during the 2008-2009 season.
The only thing I currently watch on the network is Jimmy Kimmel Live. |
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TMC is just ticked that ABC Sports is with ESPN. I don't understand why he keeps bringing that up. ABC and ESPN are part of the same parent company. What is the difference? Cable is the future of sports. One day you'll see the Super Bowl on cable, and it will be ESPN.
All of these articles are from before the start of the season (and mostly opinion just like your comments benjamoon and Chris). And if you noticed with actual ratings data, ABC is still #2 in HH/viewers and 18-49 for the season so far behind CBS. NBC has nothing but Sunday Night Football and they are still fourth and it will get worse after January. There are no Winter Olympics to boost them this year. So who is in worse shape? NBC hasn't developed ANY hits either this fall. As far as news goes ABC News and NBC News are still tops and go back and forth in the ratings. ABC usually wins the primetime battle over any big news events. CBS News is no where near these two. So who is in worse shape in news? Sports wise, the networks who have the NFL will always win. It's by far the most popular sport in terms of TV ratings. The NBA Finals (on ABC) did better than the World Series (on Fox) this year. And benjamoon, if this is abc.com junior then why do we post scheduling scoops for other networks? I have posted many times exclusive schedules updates for nets like CBS. And you keep bringing up the Brothers & Sisters and Private Practice thing. Do you not understand they are still among the top shows at 10pm? Private Practice just did a 3.9 last week, tying the best showing of the season for a scripted drama at 10. 10pm is not easy anymore and tough to crack a 3 these days with DVR. ABC has three solid shows (same amount as CBS!) at 10pm that have averaged a 2.7 or better this season: Castle, Private, and Brothers. NBC has nothing over a 2 (Chase? Parenthood? LOLA? Apprentice?). Not sure how you think NBC is moving in the right direction. Their only show that does over a 3 is The Office (and they are saved at the end of the week by SNF). ABC has a ton and so does CBS. |
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In response to the 10pm comments - first of all, that Private Practice number was a complete aberration. The next closest demo # this season was a 3.2 and that's on the high end of the average. Anyway, my comment was that ABC has a bunch of shows that can't stand on their own despite being many years old. Private Practice and Brothers and Sisters would probably melt away without the Grey's and Housewives lead-in. Many would argue the same thing with Castle, though I do not agree with that. Meanwhile, ABC keeps launching failing shows in the same bad slots. CBS on the other hand has shows that are self-sustaining - I highly doubt that their 10pm hits (The Good Wife, Hawaii Five-0, The Mentalist, CSI: Miami would suffer much by being taken away from their lead-in. That's why ABC's 10pm hits are a mirage and why they can't get new hits because they keep these shows in the same timeslots where they have bled from their lead-in for YEARS. CBS on the other hand is the only network with ANY hit of success in new shows this fall (and even they don't have a runaway hit) and it's because they're willing to launch their new shows in good timeslots. In regards to NBC going in the right direction - don't mistake that for me saying that NBC is in better shape RIGHT NOW than ABC because they are not. But they hit rock bottom last year with the Jay Leno disaster that decimated their lineup. They have a long way to go but I think they are headed in the right direction. ABC is still far above NBC now but I think their scheduling model leaves a lot to be desired and 5 years from now when these aging hits are dead and gone or almost there, ABC will have some trouble if they can't develop some new shows and then actually give them a chance to succeed. |
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The ABC thread generates more discussion. I can't do anything about that. I don't see any of you posting on the other threads often. I post the schedule updates for all of the networks (and usually no one replies on the other threads lol). ABC usually has more schedule updates this time of the year because they have the MOST holiday specials in late Nov/December. I love that. No other network is close. CBS is a distant second in holiday specials.
As for the blog, I report the news equally on there and weekly ratings. I don't see how that is biased to ABC. Sure, I try to put my opinion or two on there in the ratings, because it is a blog. But I am pretty fair. And as far as a message board is concerned, I post updates here, too, but I am entitled to my opinion just as much as anyone here. I guess you didn't know about our site being mentioned on a Mike & Molly promo? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C3uO_i5YsA So not sure how we are "biased." benjamoon, did you forget Private Practice anchored ABC Wednesdays for its first season and a half? It did well, too (until post-strike made it go down). It moved to Thursdays at 10 and solved ABC's post-Grey's problem. It was a needed band-aid. Thursdays at 8pm looked to be solved with FLASHFORWARD starting strong, but I don't think they should have benched it until March after December. Anyway, I think reality will work for them in that slot from Jan-May with all of the scripted options on all the other networks. Winter Wipeout will do well. And if Off the Map could do a 2.7 Wed at 10pm, ABC will be thrilled (and will win the hour). I think it will do that, even though I would have gone with Happy Endings/Cougar Town/Mr. Sunshine from 9:30-11. I think NBC is in worse shape than last year. The 10pm dramas right now are doing worse than Leno from the same time last year. All I heard this summer was how big The Event, Undercovers and even Chase are going to be. I just don't know how NBC is going to be fixed. Everything they try has done terrible. The show that everyone thought would do the worst, Outsourced, is doing the best of the NBC new shows...which is sad. |
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We haven't watched a show on ABC in years. We always try new shows in the fall but never like any of the ones on ABC. Mostly we watch CBS and a couple on Fox.
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Most weeks your ratings recap contain lots of ABC pump-ups - encouraging people to watch, commenting on the episode, etc but the other networks get nothing except their ratings/trends. Again, please don't mistake this for me saying it's not fair because I understand that it's your site/blog and you have the right to comment on things however you want. But it IS biased towards ABC for sure. Quote:
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The NBA Finals of course did better in the ratings this year than the World Series due to the benefit of having the Lakers and the Celtics as well as the series going the full seven games. However, you seem to forget that ever since ABC took over the broadcast TV contract from NBC back in 2002-03, two of the Finals that they broadcast were the lowest rated in history (2003 and 2007). How can you sit here and say that all NBC has is Sunday Night Football when all ABC has are college football (they don't even have the rights to the major bowl games thanks to ESPN) and the NBA (which they frequently air the bare minimum when compared to when NBC or CBS had the rights)? And please explain why TV by the Numbers has forecast ABC to finish in fourth among the 18-49 demographic for the 2010-11 season: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...for-fall/62303 |
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You think ABC is going to finish fourth in 18-49 with NBC having NOTHING after January? Sunday Night Football is the only thing they have in terms of RATINGS in primetime. TVBytheNumbers posted that on Labor Day (and they are only saying for the FALL, NOT for the FULL SEASON). I am sure they thought The Event was going to be BIG. ABC is not going to finish fourth for the season and I am sure TVBytheNumbers doesn't think that either (you didn't read their story right). Heck, NBC even was fourth last year WITH the Winter Olympics. Fox is also way down from last season, but they have the Super Bowl this year that will help them probably finish second behind CBS. IF they didn't, Fox might be third.
As for the sports, you mentioned the Lakers/Celtics boosting the NBA Finals. But the 2003 and 2007 finals didn't have marquee teams, that's why they were low. It depends on the teams. That's why the World Series was low this year compared to whenever the Yankees are in it. NBA is in good shape because the Lakers are more than likely going to make the finals again (they seem better than ever this season), perhaps against the Celtics again or the Heat with LeBron. |
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