Kathy Page case

[Clockwork]

Originally Posted by schmave

I largely agree with you. All I am saying is there doesn't seem to be a better suspect. I don't automatically think he is guilty, but who has the reason to do this? If it's a frame job, then somebody hated either Kathy or Steve, or both, enough to do it.
I also agree that other possibilities didn't seem to be investigated from what we know. No one, including Kathy's family from what the daughter later said, came out of this looking all that good.

Its funny, because normally you sympathize with the family of the deceased. I guess in a way I do, but dang they just never appeared likeable to me. I mean, either they are right about Steve and the billboards all over town are legit, or they literally have ruined a man's life - who is the father of their children (or at least one child left at least) - who has been falsely accused for over 20 years. You'd better be sure you're right if you are doing that sort of thing.

There could have been the man's wife or ex-wife she was with the night she died that was involved. Heck, even the man she was with I have to wonder just how much he knew or saw. He's with her, spends time with her at a hotel and then she doesn't get home and ends up in a bad staged accident? I don't know.

[DALLASTEXAN!!]

Steve Page comes off as one of the most unlikeable husbands from UM. I think there might be a thread for that. Interesting that Kathy's family also comes off as unlikeable as well, although I did not see it that way. I've only seen the UM segment and have seen it several times lately.

things really make me cringe about Steve's interview. "I approached her for sex" that just sounded strange. "I'm paying for her actions" I know he was alluding to her affair, but good lord she's the one that got killed. it just seems like a very selfish comment to make. and the "Italian family" seems very stereotypical and in all my years of living in Texas I never heard of the Beaumont Italian Mafia. Steve seems like a prick after watching that interview.

[Dantelaboy86]

Originally Posted by Clockwork

But what moron kills his wife and then leaves her body 100 yards from her house, and where he was babysitting? That just doesn't make sense. I guess it is possible Steve could be a really, really dumb murderer, but that's a stretch. Other guys who are seemingly guilty as sin like Paul Pollis and Jule Caylor were smart enough (if they did it) to never have the body show up. Rob Page is another guy.

I have always felt the chance of this being a classic frame up against Steve has never gotten the attention it should have.

Because it was a crime of passion and anger and not long-term premeditation, hence strangulation. Strangulation is a very personal and impulsive way to take someone's life. Also, listening to the guy talk for 30 seconds and its clear he's below average intelligence.

Page discovered that Kathy was with another man while she was out. He stewed and plotted, waiting for her to come home. He raped her and killed her.

A few things:

Funny how Page was so eager to babysit his daughters that evening, but once Kathy was murdered he all but ceased contact with them. Not consistent with a loving father obsessed with parenthood. Page was there to snoop on Kathy that day and confirm his suspicions she was seeing a man.

All the motive, opportunity, physical and forensic evidence points only to this guy murdering his wife...

Unfortunately, the likely reason detectives and cops never pursued husband Page is due to his connections and the socio-political environment of a rural, conservative area of Texas in the early 90s. Things were far more misogynistic and chauvinistic then, and the good Ol' boys likely considered a woman who would leave her husband and have sex with another man "Got what was coming to her".

[Dantelaboy86]

Originally Posted by Clockwork

Its funny, because normally you sympathize with the family of the deceased. I guess in a way I do, but dang they just never appeared likeable to me. I mean, either they are right about Steve and the billboards all over town are legit, or they literally have ruined a man's life - who is the father of their children (or at least one child left at least) - who has been falsely accused for over 20 years. You'd better be sure you're right if you are doing that sort of thing.

There could have been the man's wife or ex-wife she was with the night she died that was involved. Heck, even the man she was with I have to wonder just how much he knew or saw. He's with her, spends time with her at a hotel and then she doesn't get home and ends up in a bad staged accident? I don't know.

The crime scene was ludicrously staged feet from where the husband was at the time. You'd have to be pretty freaking bold to even think of something like that. It would have taken a lot of leg work and organization for someone other than Page to do something so crazy and feel confident to not be spotted.

Its real life. Not the movies. People commit those sorts of acts where they are familiar and comfortable with the area. Like a guy who lived 100 ft away.

Page hasnt been cleared and all rational minds point to him. He's lucky billboards are all Kathy supporters have done to him.

[TheCars1986]

Kathy's car was found at this location, and according to the police the car was facing away from the house she lived in (which is on the street directly in front of the car location two houses down on the right). I entertained the thought that someone else (the unnamed boyfriend) could have done harm to Kathy who tried to set up or frame Steve for it, but the boyfriend wouldn't have been able to ditch the car and walk back to the motel in Beaumont. Unless the boyfriend (or another unknown assailant) had an accomplice that helped them, and there is zero evidence to suggest that...Steve at a minimum, disposed of the car with Kathy's body in it. I say at a minimum (even though deep down I believe he killed Kathy) because I was rereading Steve page's appeal over the civil court case that found him to be responsible for Kathy's death and some oddities stuck out to me. A friend of Kathy's was named Roger Howell. From the appeal (bolded emphasis mine):

Diane Daigle, Kathy's sister, received the news through a call to Crystal Beach around 6:30 a.m. She called Roger Howell and asked him to go be with Steve.

Roger Howell testified that Diane Daigle called him around 8:00 a.m. and asked him to check on Steve. He also claimed that she asked him to look into what had happened to Kathy, although Diane denied it. Roger went to Kathy's place of employment and asked her co-workers about men Kathy might have been seeing.

Erin and Monica woke up at 8:00, having slept through the night and early morning without hearing anything unusual. Someone laundered sheets soiled by one of the girls.

Before lunch, Roger Howell called Charlotte Swearingen at work and told her Kathy was dead. She wondered how he knew to call her there because it was her first day working at this new job.

At the funeral home on Thursday, Steve appeared to feel faint. Roger Howell told Jimmy Fulton that Kathy had gotten wild. Roger asked to view Kathy's body. Jimmy agreed. Roger asked Jimmy to leave the room. Jimmy refused, but did turn his back. Roger touched Kathy's face and body, and made a sketch of her face on a piece of paper. Roger, however, denied touching Kathy, sketching her, taking any pictures, taking any jewelry off of her, or putting any jewelry on her.

If all of this is true, then this guy seems sketchy to me. How would he have known where to contact Kathy's friend Charlotte at her new job? Why did he tell Kathy's brother at the funeral home where his sister was dead that she was "wild"? Why was he showing up at Kathy's job asking if she had been seeing any men on the morning of her death? Why did he ask (and sketch) to see Kathy's corpse alone? If the guy was just a concerned friend of Kathy and Steve, all of the above is very weird to me.

[mwcarolina]

I think in this case it’s obvious Steve did it, the issue is proof which is more difficult, especially if it’s a cover up