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TheCars1986 · 03-26-2023, 11:55 AM

I've seen the theory presented that Alfredo was something like Scott Peterson, and that he did not want the responsibility of being a father and wanted to continue to live the lifestyle of a single ladies man...but that wouldn't account for Cecilia's son, Rene. The segment says they dated for two years before getting married. Granted, Rene was not Alfredo's son, but Rene was still going to be a presence in his life.

However, the timing of her disappearance is telling, IMO. Alfredo leaves to go to work at 2:30 p.m. on the day of her disappearance. Then he calls the apartment they lived in at 5:00 p.m. IMO, this was to see whoever he was working in conjunction with had carried through with their plan. I know people react differently in various different ways, but if I came home and found my wife and son missing, with not so much as a toothbrush taken, I wouldn't think they took off to "cool off for a few days". The distance from where they lived to where the letter Alfredo received purporting to be written by Cecilia, was not that far at all. The only wrench in my theory of Alfredo's involvement is that the mysterious female caller told Cecilia to keep their meeting a secret. But I still can't shake the indifference of Alfredo.

MissFlyy · 03-26-2023, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCars1986

I've seen the theory presented that Alfredo was something like Scott Peterson, and that he did not want the responsibility of being a father and wanted to continue to live the lifestyle of a single ladies man...but that wouldn't account for Cecilia's son, Rene. The segment says they dated for two years before getting married. Granted, Rene was not Alfredo's son, but Rene was still going to be a presence in his life.

However, the timing of her disappearance is telling, IMO. Alfredo leaves to go to work at 2:30 p.m. on the day of her disappearance. Then he calls the apartment they lived in at 5:00 p.m. IMO, this was to see whoever he was working in conjunction with had carried through with their plan. I know people react differently in various different ways, but if I came home and found my wife and son missing, with not so much as a toothbrush taken, I wouldn't think they took off to "cool off for a few days". The distance from where they lived to where the letter Alfredo received purporting to be written by Cecilia, was not that far at all. The only wrench in my theory of Alfredo's involvement is that the mysterious female caller told Cecilia to keep their meeting a secret. But I still can't shake the indifference of Alfredo.

Why I don't think he actually killed her because of mysterious female caller. I seen a story like this where a mistress killed the pregnant wife. The police thought it was the husband. Until his story checked out. So they asked him who would want your pregnant wife killed, are you sleeping with anyone. He finally admitted a told her name and they started checking on her. She his mistress was the one who murdered his pregnant wife. Things like that so happen. I think if Alfredo was more forthcoming in what he was doing like cheating and name names, I believe the case would of been solved.

mhryvnak · 03-26-2023, 01:16 PM

No doubt having the caller ID would have helped - maybe she wouldn’t have answered the phone not recognizing the number.

I think these Ancestry websites doing the DNA genetic testing is eventually going to do everyone in on crimes such as this. We just have to sit back and wait for an eager investigator to start digging. I really hope this one gets solved. It’s really incredibly scummy to kill an unborn child.

Clockwork · 04-08-2024, 02:02 AM

I am not sure what to make of this one. Alfredo certainly isn't like other husbands. He does seem genuine, there isn't a life insurance he is capitalizing on here, there isn't another woman at the time, and there wasn't an unhappy marriage. One thing that does help Alfredo in this case is the woman wanting to see Cecilia on the 20th, the day she went missing. That is a fantastic coincidence.

Near my hometown about 10 years ago there was a man selling his truck. He puts the add on the internet and late at night two shady looking guys show up at his place wanting a test drive. This guy's wife and I believe his brother were at his house and they both saw the faces of these guys. Anyway, it is about 11pm, and he wants to sell the truck so he decides to let these guys take a test drive. He ends up getting killed by them and thrown into a woodchipper. There were bones found in the woodchipper and it all eventually tied back to these two guys. Who are both in prison now.

But that's the point I am making, these things can happen. A woman wouldn't suspect another woman inviting her to get some baby things. I just think Rene was along for the ride and he ended up as an unfortunate collateral damage similar to Dub Wackerhagen's son as well as Wendy Camp's two relatives that came along as well. We've seen this happen where they end up killing the kids with them. Not every murderer has enough of a heart to leave the child unharmed like Mike Reimer's daughter.

I actually get why he called the house at 5pm. His wife is 8.5 months pregnant. You are in the territory of your water breaking. Or getting prematurely induced. At this moment two weeks prior to a baby coming anything can happen. He is about to be a 1st time father, so this is all new to him. Or like what was already mentioned he calls the apartment and when she doesn't pick up he knows the plan is done (the abductor would take them). That is possible, but why? What possesses him to do this?

The one thing I don't like is that he seemed non-chalant about her missing. Maybe he didn't report it as quick as I would have. But he did give that friend a shout in the middle of the night. I don't know what to make of it, but I think they are both dead either way, and if Alfredo was in on it he's managed to hide it. I think it is possible the baby is alive though, and maybe a good chance as well if that mystery woman was looking for a baby.

Killarney Rose · 04-08-2024, 08:58 AM

I think there is a very good chance the baby is alive and might show up on Ancestry or some other similar site one day.

Stratego · 03-21-2025, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by WishfulDreamer

Bumping this thread up. I also got a strange vibe from this guy. I don't necessarily believe he was involved, but he says that he would "be screaming at the guy I thought was with my wife" and that Alfredo was "unusually calm." I think at this point, being concerned but not panicking would have been normal. Cecilia had only been gone for a few hours at this point, not being there when Alfredo returned from work. It's natural that the husband would call friends and ask about her whereabouts, but just because the guy wasn't ranting and raving doesn't mean that he's guilty. And how "unusually calm" can he have been calling in the middle of the night?

Yo, he's not talking about "panicking", he's talking about a husband thinking there was something going on between his wife and another man. I don't know what he literally said, but in the segment Alfredo doesn't ask about his wife's whereabouts, he told him to put her on the phone because he knew she was there.

There is no reason to be calm at all if your pregnant wife has still not come home in the middle of the night. There is nothing strange about noting that he was very calm considering the situation.

tvscript124 · 03-21-2025, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd Mueller

Yes! I thought the same thing. Any time someone leaves a weird, type-written letter like that (especially back then) it looks suspicious as hell. I had the exact same thought that it seems like Pam Page leaving her goodbye letter. Pretty easy to make it say whatever you want when there is no handwriting to compare.

I also agree with you that he is involved with her disappearance (either planning or knowledge of the crime) but I'm not convinced he did the deed. He strikes me as the type who wouldn't have the courage to do this but would be more than willing to cover it up. I think you're correct that the lover is most likely the true perp with Alfredo as an accomplice, before or after the crime.

I'm not sure about this one (haven't seen the segment) but I think it could go either way--kidnapping or the husband being involved.

We've seen in UM multiple times where someone "disappears" and leaves a note that doesn't look right. Beverly McGowan's case comes to mind.

Zero · 03-26-2025, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mhryvnak

No doubt having the caller ID would have helped - maybe she wouldn’t have answered the phone not recognizing the number.

I think these Ancestry websites doing the DNA genetic testing is eventually going to do everyone in on crimes such as this. We just have to sit back and wait for an eager investigator to start digging. I really hope this one gets solved. It’s really incredibly scummy to kill an unborn child.

Nobody had caller ID back in 1994 when she disappeared. Damn. That was 31 years ago!

Anyway, it didn’t exist. Everyone the world over just accepted the fact you didn’t know who was going to be on the other end when you answered. We didn’t live in fear of that reality either.

I kind of don’t discount the possibility that she did run off with someone else. Alfredo was having his fun and maybe she was too. She was from Salvador, so going to Honduras would not have been a big deal. It kind of would have been like going back home for her, except her new man was a doctor. If shes alive today, she’d be 64 and her baby would be 31.

Or maybe Rene’s biological father had something to do with it.

TheCars1986 · 03-27-2025, 07:21 AM

If I had a great marriage and left as my wife was writing thank you cards for a baby shower and then came home and found a greeting card saying goodbye and my wife's wedding rings in her car and then found that her toothbrush, clothing, etc. was still at our house, I would have immediately called the police and knew that something was wrong. I wouldn't just have accepted that she left me.

As for the mystery woman who called Cecilia a "few weeks before" her disappearance and offered to meet up with her and give her a gift, she had to have given a name of an actual coworker of Alfredo's because the UM segment says that the police were able to determine that the "call had not been made by Alfredo's coworker". So this had to have been someone intimately involved with Alfredo somehow, because how else would they know the name of his coworker?

ufohealer · 03-27-2025, 08:11 PM

this case seems like one of those weird ladies who killed a pregnant woman in order to get a baby! That is what I think happened. just the unusual behavior that "this must be kept a secret" + "baby shower gift"??? But this case would be even worse and different as the lady would need to kill Cecilia's son! I can still see that happening as he is an unwanted witness... Perhaps Cecilia brought her son along and the lady did not expect another kid to be dragged along.

1990 UM fan · 03-27-2025, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ufohealer

this case seems like one of those weird ladies who killed a pregnant woman in order to get a baby! That is what I think happened. just the unusual behavior that "this must be kept a secret" + "baby shower gift"??? But this case would be even worse and different as the lady would need to kill Cecilia's son! I can still see that happening as he is an unwanted witness... Perhaps Cecilia brought her son along and the lady did not expect another kid to be dragged along.

This has always been at the top of my list as to the probabilities of what happened to Cecelia and Rene. The authorities really need to grill Alfredo again or find out who else would have had a motive.

ufohealer · 03-28-2025, 01:01 AM

I do not think the lady would have been someone that he knew very well. Otherwise he could later think - "hey, this female friend of mine always wanted a baby and she too is missing, perhaps she stole Cecillia's baby?!"

jets4life · 10-06-2025, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Zero

Nobody had caller ID back in 1994 when she disappeared. Damn. That was 31 years ago!

Most places in North America had caller ID by 1994 (article from February 1990):

"The service, known as Caller ID, was pioneered by New Jersey Bell in 1987. It was made available to customers in New Jersey in December 1988 and is now spreading throughout the country."

source: https://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/11/n...the%20country.

Killarney Rose · 10-06-2025, 09:29 AM

Not most places. We lived in the country at that time. We had just gotten our first private phone line after always being on a party line. It would be several more years before caller ID would be available to us.

jets4life · 10-06-2025, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Killarney Rose

Not most places. We lived in the country at that time. We had just gotten our first private phone line after always being on a party line. It would be several more years before caller ID would be available to us.

Most places in North America. You just happened to be in the minority of places without caller ID.

03-26-2023, 11:55 AM	#31
TheCars1986 #VLSKMS Forum Fanatic Join Date: Nov 22, 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 8,606	I've seen the theory presented that Alfredo was something like Scott Peterson, and that he did not want the responsibility of being a father and wanted to continue to live the lifestyle of a single ladies man...but that wouldn't account for Cecilia's son, Rene. The segment says they dated for two years before getting married. Granted, Rene was not Alfredo's son, but Rene was still going to be a presence in his life. However, the timing of her disappearance is telling, IMO. Alfredo leaves to go to work at 2:30 p.m. on the day of her disappearance. Then he calls the apartment they lived in at 5:00 p.m. IMO, this was to see whoever he was working in conjunction with had carried through with their plan. I know people react differently in various different ways, but if I came home and found my wife and son missing, with not so much as a toothbrush taken, I wouldn't think they took off to "cool off for a few days". The distance from where they lived to where the letter Alfredo received purporting to be written by Cecilia, was not that far at all. The only wrench in my theory of Alfredo's involvement is that the mysterious female caller told Cecilia to keep their meeting a secret. But I still can't shake the indifference of Alfredo.

03-26-2023, 01:16 PM	#33
mhryvnak Member Occasional Poster Join Date: May 13, 2007 Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA Posts: 24	No doubt having the caller ID would have helped - maybe she wouldn’t have answered the phone not recognizing the number. I think these Ancestry websites doing the DNA genetic testing is eventually going to do everyone in on crimes such as this. We just have to sit back and wait for an eager investigator to start digging. I really hope this one gets solved. It’s really incredibly scummy to kill an unborn child.

04-08-2024, 02:02 AM	#34
Clockwork Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Dec 30, 2022 Location: Canada Posts: 461	I am not sure what to make of this one. Alfredo certainly isn't like other husbands. He does seem genuine, there isn't a life insurance he is capitalizing on here, there isn't another woman at the time, and there wasn't an unhappy marriage. One thing that does help Alfredo in this case is the woman wanting to see Cecilia on the 20th, the day she went missing. That is a fantastic coincidence. Near my hometown about 10 years ago there was a man selling his truck. He puts the add on the internet and late at night two shady looking guys show up at his place wanting a test drive. This guy's wife and I believe his brother were at his house and they both saw the faces of these guys. Anyway, it is about 11pm, and he wants to sell the truck so he decides to let these guys take a test drive. He ends up getting killed by them and thrown into a woodchipper. There were bones found in the woodchipper and it all eventually tied back to these two guys. Who are both in prison now. But that's the point I am making, these things can happen. A woman wouldn't suspect another woman inviting her to get some baby things. I just think Rene was along for the ride and he ended up as an unfortunate collateral damage similar to Dub Wackerhagen's son as well as Wendy Camp's two relatives that came along as well. We've seen this happen where they end up killing the kids with them. Not every murderer has enough of a heart to leave the child unharmed like Mike Reimer's daughter. I actually get why he called the house at 5pm. His wife is 8.5 months pregnant. You are in the territory of your water breaking. Or getting prematurely induced. At this moment two weeks prior to a baby coming anything can happen. He is about to be a 1st time father, so this is all new to him. Or like what was already mentioned he calls the apartment and when she doesn't pick up he knows the plan is done (the abductor would take them). That is possible, but why? What possesses him to do this? The one thing I don't like is that he seemed non-chalant about her missing. Maybe he didn't report it as quick as I would have. But he did give that friend a shout in the middle of the night. I don't know what to make of it, but I think they are both dead either way, and if Alfredo was in on it he's managed to hide it. I think it is possible the baby is alive though, and maybe a good chance as well if that mystery woman was looking for a baby.

04-08-2024, 08:58 AM	#35
Killarney Rose Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 24, 2010 Location: AL Posts: 656	I think there is a very good chance the baby is alive and might show up on Ancestry or some other similar site one day.

03-27-2025, 07:21 AM	#39
TheCars1986 #VLSKMS Forum Fanatic Join Date: Nov 22, 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 8,606	If I had a great marriage and left as my wife was writing thank you cards for a baby shower and then came home and found a greeting card saying goodbye and my wife's wedding rings in her car and then found that her toothbrush, clothing, etc. was still at our house, I would have immediately called the police and knew that something was wrong. I wouldn't just have accepted that she left me. As for the mystery woman who called Cecilia a "few weeks before" her disappearance and offered to meet up with her and give her a gift, she had to have given a name of an actual coworker of Alfredo's because the UM segment says that the police were able to determine that the "call had not been made by Alfredo's coworker". So this had to have been someone intimately involved with Alfredo somehow, because how else would they know the name of his coworker?

03-27-2025, 08:11 PM	#40
ufohealer Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Aug 29, 2019 Location: St paul minn Posts: 71	this case seems like one of those weird ladies who killed a pregnant woman in order to get a baby! That is what I think happened. just the unusual behavior that "this must be kept a secret" + "baby shower gift"??? But this case would be even worse and different as the lady would need to kill Cecilia's son! I can still see that happening as he is an unwanted witness... Perhaps Cecilia brought her son along and the lady did not expect another kid to be dragged along.

03-28-2025, 01:01 AM	#42
ufohealer Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Aug 29, 2019 Location: St paul minn Posts: 71	I do not think the lady would have been someone that he knew very well. Otherwise he could later think - "hey, this female friend of mine always wanted a baby and she too is missing, perhaps she stole Cecillia's baby?!"

10-06-2025, 09:29 AM	#44
Killarney Rose Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 24, 2010 Location: AL Posts: 656	Not most places. We lived in the country at that time. We had just gotten our first private phone line after always being on a party line. It would be several more years before caller ID would be available to us.