a plethora of new info on Bobbi Parker and Randolph Dial

[crystaldawn]

Originally Posted by user296686@aol.c

I'm not sure what post was 'bumped up' where my only response was a puke icon.

Of course the post would be the one from Wiseguy that only happened a few days ago. I have no desire to argue with you. The purpose of this thread is to discuss the Bobbi Parker case. Use whatever smilies you wish. The issue I had was that you didn't bother debating or commenting on Wiseguy's post, only posting a puke smiley face. Had you wanted to further your point and maybe commented on what he had to say and then felt the need to use it I wouldn't have cared a bit but for that to be your only response was completely childish.

Okay enough of that and back to the topic at hand. Found an excellent article about the case that seems to support Bobbi's story about living in fear:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in688790.shtml

[user296686@aol.c]

Originally Posted by crystaldawn

Of course the post would be the one from Wiseguy that only happened a few days ago. I have no desire to argue with you. The purpose of this thread is to discuss the Bobbi Parker case. Use whatever smilies you wish. The issue I had was that you didn't bother debating or commenting on Wiseguy's post, only posting a puke smiley face. Had you wanted to further your point and maybe commented on what he had to say and then felt the need to use it I wouldn't have cared a bit but for that to be your only response was completely childish.

Okay enough of that and back to the topic at hand. Found an excellent article about the case that seems to support Bobbi's story about living in fear:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in688790.shtml

Hi CD

My apologies. The way you said it made it sound like I had responded to an older post or thread in the same way, which I did not remember doing (except for the Ramsey case, which I already explained). I didn't realize you were talking about the post from wiseguy. I didn't understand what you meant by "bumped up". You had me going back and looking through page after page of the Darlie Rouiter thread. And I know you are trying to draw this to a close and get back to the topic at hand, but please, one more thing in my defense. I would like to explain why I used the icon in response to wiseguys post. I only used the icon instead of answering each item on the post because the post was so long and I just don't believe any of it. The icon was a short way of replying to a very long post that I didn't agree with a single point on. It wasn't meant to be disrespectful, I just don't believe it and I don't see the response as being childish. It was simply a shorthanded version of my honest opinion.

OK. With that said, I will move on and leave it alone. Thanks for the link you gave. I'm going to read it now. I am open to all info. Contrary to popular belief, my mind can be changed. For instance, I used to be a strong supporter of Darlies. I battled for her in many posts from other sources for a long time until I was prompted by another poster to "stop thinking with your heart and start thinking with your head and educate yourself on the case!" That is an exact quote and it stung like a slap in the face. But I did look into it more and the more I looked, the more I SAW. The rest is history. I had alot of crow to eat, and I ate it.

OK... again, with all that said, I will check out the link you posted.

And to wiseguy, if I offended you in any way, I do apologize. The puke icon was not meant to be an insult to you or to your post. It was only meant in disagreement. I know that a post like that takes time. No disrespect intended.

Pam

[user296686@aol.c]

Well... I have to say... I don't know what to believe. After reading the link posted by crystaldawn, I sat and worked on a post stating my disbelief of Bobbi Parker. For some reason the post wouldn't go through, so I decided to check out more info on Stockholm Syndrome on Wikipedia (LOVE that site). It refers to several cases but gives this warning:

It should be taken into account that according to Namnyak e.a. (2008) the Stockholm Syndrome "is not a recognized Medical Subject Heading (MeSH), that most sources of information for widely publicized cases were of varying reliability in terms of the events that led to the diagnosis of Stockholm syndrome; the authors had no access to primary sources and identification of a pattern of features exhibited in Stockholm syndrome may be due to reporting bias."[2]

So I don't know what to believe. I just cannot imagine being kidnapped and being out in the open and not getting help. I read Kiss The Girls and I could imagine being subservient in that situation. But I can't imagine being trusted enough to be away from my captor and not getting help.

I watched a segment on 20/20 on WE the other night and one of the stories was about a young woman named Ester who was adopted and then quickly pushed aside when her adopted parents had their own children. She was brought up to believe that God put her on this earth to be a servant and it was their job to teach her to serve. She was not only 'taught to serve', she was also horribly abused and raped:
http://www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/combs/
Ester was sent to her aunt and uncles home (the adopted fathers brother who was NOTHING like him, thank God) to escape the probing detective in this case, and witnessed an actual home and what it was like to live a normal life. She confided in her aunt what had been happening to her for more than 19 years and the police were contacted.

See what I mean? I just don't know what to believe about Bobbi. We'll have to wait and see what the state has. There must have been something there for them to pick up the case and charge her. I also find it odd now, and did then, that Dial wasn't charged with kidnapping in addition to the escape charge. I am very curious to know what the state has.

Pam

[crystaldawn]

Hello Pam! I do believe Bobbi may have been brainwashed. I'm not disputing the fact that she could have left, no doubt she had many, many times to escape. But you seem to be a mother Pam (as am I) so we need to remember that Dial told Bobbi if she escaped he would be on the run as well and he would go kill her children and husband. He was capable of murder obviously and knew exactly where to find Bobbi's family so initially she probably just stayed for their safety. I remember reading an article where Dial talked about giving Bobbi drugs initially (I'm assuming without her knowledge unless he threatened her to make her take them) and then whenever he got the impression she was thinking of leaving he would give them to her also. So obviously Bobbi wasn't of a clear mind as you and I are sitting here thinking about what we would have done. Personally I believe I would have taken my chances and left or even called the police and had them come get him, but I don't know of her mental state (I can't imagine it was too good with what she had been through and the drugs she had been given) and I'm certainly not going to judge her and I do feel sympathy for her as I don't think this excursion with Dial was her choice. I think later on she just resigned herself to the fact she would be with him until he died. She may have taken some comfort in the fact that (as far as she knew anyway) her family was safe and figured they would stay safe as long as she stayed with Dial. I really wish she would grant an interview and maybe she will once this trial is finished so she could tell us what was going through her mind all these years. I will also say again I'm wondering how stong the prosecution's case is considering it took them this long to even file the charges.

[user296686@aol.c]

Originally Posted by crystaldawn

I really wish she would grant an interview and maybe she will once this trial is finished so she could tell us what was going through her mind all these years. I will also say again I'm wondering how stong the prosecution's case is considering it took them this long to even file the charges.

Hi CD

I read the part in your link where Randy Parker said that his wife had not yet spoken about what she had endured...

I have to say it...

If my husband had been gone for all those years with me and the kids waiting, hoping he wasn't dead and then reappeared with talk of him staying willingly, he had better do some talking... and fast.

As far as them taking so long to charge her, true. Again, I am very anxious to see what evidence the state has, and I would LOVE to see an interview, as it may answer the questions I'm left with.

Pam

[user296686@aol.c]

Originally Posted by crystaldawn

But you seem to be a mother Pam (as am I) so we need to remember that Dial told Bobbi if she escaped he would be on the run as well and he would go kill her children and husband. He was capable of murder obviously and knew exactly where to find Bobbi's family so initially she probably just stayed for their safety.

One more thing

Yes mam, I am a mom too. That's why the first thought that came to mind when I started reading about the case was that I felt I would have someone contact the police but to be sure to give me time to get back to him. So that we would be together when he was captured.

You are also right in we don't know her frame of mind or what kind of person she is. She sounds like a very weak-minded/willed person to me. And I don't mean that in a hateful way. Some of us are just stronger-minded than others. That's why it's so hard to for me to believe it totally, because I feel very confident in saying that I would not have left that prison with him. He may have gotten me to the gate, but no further. At worst, I would have a stabbed leg. At best, I would be surrounded by armed guards with a stabbed leg, but free. Besides that, he would never have been allowed in my home, for any reason. Them conducting the pottery class together makes me think there was room for a little hanky panky.
Hey... it happens.

Pam