Angela Hammond - Girl abducted from phone booth

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by Stratego

That's the thing. I could totally buy them as careless teens. But how can you be so concerned about the details of this stranger and his car, but not getting yourself to safety or even remembering the license plate which is the closest thing to an ID.

It was the 1980s and it was in a small, rural town. Angie was more likely than not describing the guy and his truck thinking that Rob might recognize it and the guy. I doubt that she thought the guy was going to abduct her.

[Stratego]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

It was the 1980s and it was in a small, rural town. Angie was more likely than not describing the guy and his truck thinking that Rob might recognize it and the guy. I doubt that she thought the guy was going to abduct her.

And then suddenly the guy is LESS scary, especially since Rob did NOT recognize him and was concerned as well?

[freakbook]

Originally Posted by Stratego

The phones staying connected while Rob went out is a very interesting idea, although it was a very lucky coincidence if the murder wasn't planned. So what do you think? Just luck?

Yeah. I don't think the phones staying connected was a plan as I think this whole case was heat of the moment. I'm not sure how phones work, but if Rob hung up his phone but Angie didn't, then I wonder since the payphone was already paid for that it just continued to count the time after it established a connection with Robs phone?

[Stratego]

Originally Posted by freakbook

Yeah. I don't think the phones staying connected was a plan as I think this whole case was heat of the moment. I'm not sure how phones work, but if Rob hung up his phone but Angie didn't, then I wonder since the payphone was already paid for that it just continued to count the time after it established a connection with Robs phone?

Yeah, that's what I'm wondering as well. It's one of the most important aspects of the case, because it's pretty much his alibi.

Do you know anything about the brother's testimony? Did he claim Rob was at home on the phone or was he sleeping?

[freakbook]

Originally Posted by Stratego

Yeah, that's what I'm wondering as well. It's one of the most important aspects of the case, because it's pretty much his alibi.

Do you know anything about the brother's testimony? Did he claim Rob was at home on the phone or was he sleeping?

Nah I have no idea about the brother. I don't remember reading anything about him

[Stratego]

Originally Posted by freakbook

Nah I have no idea about the brother. I don't remember reading anything about him

Ah, that's a shame. Could be important. Saying he was asleep would be very convenient, of course.

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by Stratego

And then suddenly the guy is LESS scary, especially since Rob did NOT recognize him and was concerned as well?

They thought he was lost and waiting to use the phone. I don't know why we continue to beat this dead horse over and over again. The FBI ruled him out as a suspect a few weeks after Angela's disappearance. This new information released by law enforcement has absolutely nothing to do with Rob Shafer. His alibi that night was his mother, who needed him home at 10:00 p.m. to watch his brother. Angela was seen alive and well with her best friend after 10:00 p.m. while Rob was home. Angela left her best friend at around 11:15 p.m. that night. Rob Shafer arrived at the police station just after midnight. His truck was found broken down miles away. A motorist gave him a ride to the police station.

All of that means that Rob had about 45 minutes to kill Angela, dump her body in a way that it has never been found, stage Angela's car at the supermarket lot to make his fictional account more believable, damage his transmission to his vehicle, abandon it, and get lucky enough (or have an accomplice) to have someone pick him up and report an entirely fictional account of what happened that night. There were also 2 other witnesses who saw the same truck with the fish decal on the night Angela was abducted. In other words, Rob did not do it.

[freakbook]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

There were also 2 other witnesses who saw the same truck with the fish decal on the night Angela was abducted. In other words, Rob did not do it.

Weird how two other people in this town saw the truck, but no one else in the country did.

45 minutes is enough time to dispose of her body if you live in a rural town surrounded by bodies of water, and woods and it's night time where no one else is around

And let's be real, Rob was only ruled out because they couldn't find anything and Angie's mother was taking his side. They found no one else's DNA or article of clothing. There was no indication that anyone else did this except for Rob's words.

Rob did it.

[Jon]

I will admit I am very suspicious of anyone professing innocence/deflecting blame for a crime on just about every segment of this show.

Examples:
Paul Pollis
John Branion
Noes & Prewitts
Larry Race
Steve Page
Kathleen Korzilius (probably an accident, but I think she knows exactly what happened)
Stuart Heaton
Stephen Marfeo
Jeffrey MacDonald

Not an exhaustive list. There are many more who I think are completely full of it.

Rob Shafer is the only exception to that I can think of at the moment. As I said, I am naturally suspicious...but I can't objectively think of any scenario where he could have been involved with this crime.

Assuming for a moment he did it, this is no simple cover-up. He had every single aspect of this crime planned down the last perfect detail. No physical evidence left behind. Her body hidden in the perfect location where it would never be found for 3+ decades. The damaged transmission! This is absolute perfection. Not one inconsistency in his story for law enforcement to seize upon either. And he's only seventeen years old at this point?

And what if Rob's cover-up was not as impressive as I am making it sound? There's still this: he got away with this heinous crime and evidently was satisfied at that point. Is that realistic if he's a cold, callous, efficient and brutal killer? (He would have to be if he did it). Would a man with such skill at thwarting law enforcement not carry on committing crimes? Or am I supposed to believe he just ended his criminal career there, breathed a big sigh of relief and went on living a regular life? I'm not a criminologist, but from what I know about it, it's awfully far-fetched to assume a violent criminal retired after one crime. (see Stephen Marfeo)

[freakbook]

Originally Posted by Jon

I will admit I am very suspicious of anyone professing innocence/deflecting blame for a crime on just about every segment of this show.

Examples:
Paul Pollis
John Branion
Noes & Prewitts
Larry Race
Steve Page
Kathleen Korzilius (probably an accident, but I think she knows exactly what happened)
Stuart Heaton
Stephen Marfeo
Jeffrey MacDonald

Not an exhaustive list. There are many more who I think are completely full of it.

Rob Shafer is the only exception to that I can think of at the moment. As I said, I am naturally suspicious...but I can't objectively think of any scenario where he could have been involved with this crime.

Assuming for a moment he did it, this is no simple cover-up. He had every single aspect of this crime planned down the last perfect detail. No physical evidence left behind. Her body hidden in the perfect location where it would never be found for 3+ decades. The damaged transmission! This is absolute perfection. Not one inconsistency in his story for law enforcement to seize upon either. And he's only seventeen years old at this point?

And what if Rob's cover-up was not as impressive as I am making it sound? There's still this: he got away with this heinous crime and evidently was satisfied at that point. Is that realistic if he's a cold, callous, efficient and brutal killer? (He would have to be if he did it). Would a man with such skill at thwarting law enforcement not carry on committing crimes? Or am I supposed to believe he just ended his criminal career there, breathed a big sigh of relief and went on living a regular life? I'm not a criminologist, but from what I know about it, it's awfully far-fetched to assume a violent criminal retired after one crime. (see Stephen Marfeo)

There have been many cases where it was done and one. Also if he accidentally killed Angela then who's to say he would commit other violent incidents if he didn't mean it?

But I've been arguing about this for 4 years and I'm officially done. I refuse to talk/argue about this case anymore. My firm belief is that Rob either did it, or lied about his story and didn't do it.

The only time I'll comment about this again is when L.E. officially solves the case and I'll gloat and say told you so, or i'll apologize and say I was wrong.

I'm burned out.

[Jon]

Originally Posted by freakbook

Weird how two other people in this town saw the truck, but no one else in the country did.

45 minutes is enough time to dispose of her body if you live in a rural town surrounded by bodies of water, and woods and it's night time where no one else is around

And let's be real, Rob was only ruled out because they couldn't find anything and Angie's mother was taking his side. They found no one else's DNA or article of clothing. There was no indication that anyone else did this except for Rob's words.

Rob did it.

There is so much more to it than that.

It's not just disposing of the body -- it's disposing of it, cleaning the car for evidence, and keeping it hidden for 30 years.

He wasn't ruled out because of Angie's mom, that's not true at all. He was ruled out because every aspect of the evidence and his story checked out. You can't understate how difficult that is if you're guilty. Especially for a teenager. Even experienced killers will mess up details

[Jon]

Originally Posted by freakbook

I'm burned out.

I understand. I appreciate the discussion. It would be boring here if everyone agreed (like reddit)

[Stratego]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

They thought he was lost and waiting to use the phone. I don't know why we continue to beat this dead horse over and over again.

Because anytime anyone tries to discuss it, someone comes along to disrupt the discussion stating Rob is innocent and the idea that he's guilty is just nonsense? There are actually cases that are closed which get discussed over and over again on here. I really mean no offense, but I'm not sure why you're so bothered by it. All kinds of theories get discussed here. I mean, if you don't like discussion about this particular theory, you don't HAVE to join in.

If they thought he just wanted to use the phone, why be so concerned you describe the man and his truck in great detail?

Family members aren't the best alibi witnesses, to be honest.

45 minutes is not really such a small window of opportunity. I think Dr. John Hamilton had even less time to go home to kill his wife.

I'm not sure why you think he had to stage so much? He could've gone to the public phone booth in his own car, she entered it, he killed her, hid her body and then unintentionally blew his transmission on the way, after which he was forced to make up a story about frantically chasing the abductor.

Maybe there was a real truck with a fish decal in town. The thing is, such witness accounts can help identify a suspect, they don't clear another.

[Stratego]

Originally Posted by freakbook

But I've been arguing about this for 4 years and I'm officially done. I refuse to talk/argue about this case anymore.

Lol, I can't blame you. Sorry for getting you involved again!

I just wish more people would be willing to play devil's advocate just to find the most likely "Rob did it" theory.

[freakbook]

Originally Posted by Jon

I understand. I appreciate the discussion. It would be boring here if everyone agreed (like reddit)

You bring up great points, Jon. I always enjoy reading your feedback

Originally Posted by Stratego

Lol, I can't blame you. Sorry for getting you involved again!

I just wish more people would be willing to play devil's advocate just to find the most likely "Rob did it" theory.

Haha it's not your fault. I was already yelling at my computer screen before you came along. It is nice to have someone to discuss if he did do it with though.