Philip Fraser

[TheCars1986]

Early in the segment, Stack says that Philip packed up everything he owned into his car, including 2 guns. When he crossed into Canada, his guns were seized and he continued on his journey. At the end of the segment, Stack says that none of Philip's possessions were ever found or recovered. The police officer interviewed says that the car was completely gutted before the killer torched it. Since the killer did not have a vehicle and was hitchhiking throughout Canada, where exactly did he store Philip's possessions? After reading up on Michael McGray, I don't think he's a viable suspect. He targeted gay men, prostitutes, and homeless people, and almost always used a knife in each homicide. Here's the approximation of where the killer left the Olson's house to where the car was found. I think the killer knew someone, or lived nearby the area where the car was found torched. How else would he have made it out of the area, especially with Philip's possessions? I think he had to have had help in moving and possibly disposing of the evidence in Philip's car.

[Huskerz85]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

Early in the segment, Stack says that Philip packed up everything he owned into his car, including 2 guns. When he crossed into Canada, his guns were seized and he continued on his journey. At the end of the segment, Stack says that none of Philip's possessions were ever found or recovered. The police officer interviewed says that the car was completely gutted before the killer torched it. Since the killer did not have a vehicle and was hitchhiking throughout Canada, where exactly did he store Philip's possessions? After reading up on Michael McGray, I don't think he's a viable suspect. He targeted gay men, prostitutes, and homeless people, and almost always used a knife in each homicide. Here's the approximation of where the killer left the Olson's house to where the car was found. I think the killer knew someone, or lived nearby the area where the car was found torched. How else would he have made it out of the area, especially with Philip's possessions? I think he had to have had help in moving and possibly disposing of the evidence in Philip's car.

This is a great point, one I've never thought of. With that said, in the absence of any other serial killers not mentioned, I'd wager that it could've been a small town criminal, perhaps a drug dealer, biker or someone of that sort.

In a small town/village/encampment, with either similarly shady co-horts or perhaps relatives, this person could've either disposed of or pawned off Philip's belongings and then faded back in to obscurity.

[Guitar]

As I re-watched this one I remembered watching it vividly when I was a kid. It just creeps you the eff out. Also, the scene in which the fatty forced his way into the car cracked me up this time because I pictured people who know me and my attitudes toward the homeless watching it. They would burst into laughter because they know that there is less than zero chance that I would have been like, "well, this is chill. I'll keep driving." I would have stopped the car and said something to the effect of, "if you don't get your ass out of my car now I will beat it out."

[bryndis]

Originally Posted by SertumAEnigmA

Correct. He was shot with a handgun.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...97,19156&hl=en

This is random but I shared a house with the bf of your avatar.

[blackdahlia28]

That Mc Gray serial killer looks very similar to the suspect's sketch

[Hot Jock]

Originally Posted by blackdahlia28

That Mc Gray serial killer looks very similar to the suspect's sketch

That’s because he did it.

[James T]

Originally Posted by DazzlerSparkler

"Tina...Tina uh we've got a winner here, there's something wrong with this guy"

QUOTE=jOHnNyD]Also the Olsens didn't describe this guy in terms even close to the way the Frocklages did. The Frocklages described him as almost from another dimension.

Technically you can get disheveled in an hour...

Still you can be a psychopath and act totally normal

That really annoyed me-your typical small town, small minded people. He could have been mentally disabled for all they knew & there they were judging him on appearance. Reminds me of the case where the black guy walked into the bar with the drunk & everybody went quiet & started staring.

I read somewhere the couple said that both guys stayed at the house, but the show portrayed it as just the killer. Never quite sure with UM how much is artistic licence.

[blackdahlia28]

I agree, it's Mc Gray, even in the description of the big belly falling out

[Huskerz85]

My money's on McGray too (he at least shares a build with the guy UM got to portray the suspect - at least from the pics I've been able to find)

[MissTree]

1. I am not understanding the dispute about how Philip died. The media reported that it was from a gun show wound and that police had revealed that info.

2. I do not belive the killer had any intention of flying to Seattle and that is a red herring. (I am guess he likes around Prince George and dropped off the contents of the car at his place before torching it.) How would he have flown to Seattle after selling the car? There was no airport anywhere nearby so the guy could not have bought him a plane ticket but would have given him cash ans he would have to hitchike a distance to an airport. I don't think he was going there. I think he wanted people to think that Philip sold his car which "broke down" and flew to Seattle so that the missing persons search would take place in Seattle and have nothing to do with him. He would take the money for the plane ticket and keep going.

3. This wasn't on the Alaska Highway, as an earlier poster said, but the Stewart-Cassair Highway. I have driven both and, while both are isolated, the S-C is much more so.

4. The city is called Prince George not Fort George.

5. I had to laugh at the person early in the thread who talked about safety with travelling and how they would only have stopped at a place with multiple businesses. On this highway, those places don't exist. Businesses are literally hundreds of miles apart and you stop every time there this is anywhere to stop.

6. I keep getting a feeling that the killer was a guy who had worked mining at Jade City, which is further North up the highway, who eithrt got fired or quit and eas making his way home. I don't why. I'm sure that the RCMP would have checked there to see if anyone recognized the guy.

[macbeth06]

He was killed by the hitchhiker he picked up

[Hot Jock]

Originally Posted by macbeth06

He was killed by the hitchhiker he picked up

[jets4life]

Just my opinion,so take it for what it is worth.

The fact that there were eyewitnesses in remote areas of Northern BC, but none in Prince George, which has 70,000 people is perplexing. According to the RCMP, it was major news in the area, and they knew right away the burned out car was related to the Phillip Fraser disappearance. One would think someone would have spotted him in the community if he was passing through (hotel staff, Greyhound employees, truck stops, etc).

This leads me to believe the suspect was either a resident of Prince George, or was very familiar with the area with family in the city. It would be too hard to go undetected in the city without someone coming into contact with him. I also believe, due to the random encounter and murder, that the suspect has a criminal history, and has spent time in either prison or a mental hospital. It's extremely rare for a person to kill a random stranger and not have had one or more legal beefs throughout his life.

Very frustrating that this was never solved, although Northern BC is not the area in terms of solving crimes, as it is so remote, and has always had a significant transient population.

[jets4life]

Originally Posted by MissTree

1

2. I do not belive the killer had any intention of flying to Seattle and that is a red herring. (I am guess he likes around Prince George and dropped off the contents of the car at his place before torching it.) How would he have flown to Seattle after selling the car? There was no airport anywhere nearby so the guy could not have bought him a plane ticket but would have given him cash ans he would have to hitchike a distance to an airport. I don't think he was going there. I think he wanted people to think that Philip sold his car which "broke down" and flew to Seattle so that the missing persons search would take place in Seattle and have nothing to do with him. He would take the money for the plane ticket and keep going.

The suspect never intended to fly to Seattle. He extracted as much information from Phillip as possible, and then killed him then pretended that he was Phillip (from Alaska, med school in Washington State, etc). The RCMP already are aware of this. The car was also torched in PG, so it's likely the suspect was just trying to rid himself of any connection to the murder.

[TheCars1986]

McGray was convicted in 1987 of a robbery and sentenced to a 5 year prison term. He would've been in jail during Philip's murder. Plus, the robbery happened across the continent, nowhere close to British Columbia. So it couldn't be him. I still think the guy was local (or knew someone local) in Prince George because he would've needed help in getting rid of evidence as well as possibly selling Philip's possessions.