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RobinW · 05-29-2019, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TheCars1986

I knew I read it somewhere before and it was actually on your post on reddit when you did your podcast episode on the murders! And I'm almost 99% certain I've seen this mentioned somewhere else.

Ah yes, you’re right. Now I’m beginning to think I read this elsewhere as well. Perhaps I got mixed up between “ruled out” and “not considered a suspect”. It sounds like Jay’s alibi was that he was at home by himself on the day of the murder, which I suppose is impossible to 100 % prove or disprove.

Hornetguy4 · 05-29-2019, 09:19 PM

Very interesting indeed. Still have a lot of questions. I think a lot of things still are being missed or not discussed or possibly even hidden. Some things are just weird and a lot of questions need to be answered.

Hornetguy4 · 06-08-2019, 04:26 PM

Not to put anyone in their feelings or make anyone feel some kind of way but I have some information that I think is important. These are not my words. This was given to me from Koala who got it from Timmy Estep. This is just a little bit of what I have from a 157 page conversation between the two. I think this is very important to the Mary McGuinniss case. Anyone wants to contact me log in and you will find my email address.

Todd Mueller · 06-08-2019, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Hornetguy4

This was given to me from Koala ...

Hornetguy4 · 06-08-2019, 06:52 PM

I’m having trouble posting the info on this thread. I can email it

Hambone2421 · 06-09-2019, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Hornetguy4

I’m having trouble posting the info on this thread. I can email it

If it came from Koala, we’ve all already heard it three dozen times.

Hornetguy4 · 06-09-2019, 09:13 AM

Not This

bell83 · 06-09-2019, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Todd Mueller

StackTime · 06-09-2019, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by StackTime

Hmm, anyone care to give an over/under on this poster being Koala making a comeback?

CALLED IT

drew790 · 06-10-2019, 06:14 PM

Only this thread?

Hornetguy4 · 06-11-2019, 05:35 PM

well if it is ANY satisfaction to you at ALL, I have NEVER believed you had ANYTHING to do with the murder. THAT is NOT why I contacted you though. I have heard just about EVERY side of the story except for yours. I read alot of the posts you put up on that site. I didn't know that you went to any diners with Mary or anything like that. And I'm sure that if Katy knew she would have mentioned it before. Don't worry about my myspace or anything, I didn't even see the post were you mentioned it. I DON'T MIND you mentioning that you are talking to me, BUT PLEASE don't mention ANYTHING on there that WE talk about. I don't care if later on that you put up some of our discussions as long as Katy or ANYONE in her section of this case can link it back to me. In my mind you had a falling out with Mary at a VERY inconvenient time for YOU. I believe to that whoever killed her had ALOT of information about Mary but WASN'T at ALL close to her. In my mind and this is between ME AND YOU. SO DO NOT POST THIS OTHER THAN TO ME, that SOMEONE near and dear to Mary wanted her dead and paid a "nonprofessional" to do it for probably peanuts. That's why the person got the wrong Mary to start with. BUT another scenario is that somebody DID pay off a hitman because the first MURDER was VERY GOOD and THOROUGH with hiding any evidence and burning the body like that. BUT he DID get the wrong Mary. It was how long before our Mary was murdered? was it like two days or two weeks? either way it was ENOUGH time for whoever paid off the "hitman" to contact him and scald his ass for getting the wrong one. in my mind it plays out as whoever wanted her dead got mad because the "deed" was done in the "hitmans" eyes and he wasn't sticking his neck out for another "job" because it was too soon and too risky. Hearing this whoever ordered the "hit" must have gotten antsy and decided to do it themselves. NOW DUANE there are only a HANDFULL of people outside the law that heard the 911 call, and if YOU LEAK ANYTHING that I tell you I WILL KNOW it was YOU and they will know it WAS ME who told you. In the call she never said "he" or "she" she said "they" she was in her car calling 911 and saying that "they are trying to get me" "help me they are trying to kill me" and she screamed and it went blank. I NEVER ONCE met Mary and I have NEVER talked or anything to her. Not until Katy came back to W.V. and settled back in did we meet. And over 8 years I have seen this **** escalate. I AM TIRED of that little girl not being able to grow up into a ****ing adult because of this ******** that happened in her life. It is like she came back to Texas to relive her youth that was taken from her when her mother was taken. And that interfered with MY life and took my little girl. I WANT THIS **** SOLVED NOW. ANYTHING I CAN DO TO HELP JUST ASK. I am with you NOW. I DONT CARE WHO KNOWS IT OR WHO GETS MAD. I WANT TO HELP. If they see it as me cohorting with the enemy SO BE IT. BUT at least I had the balls to man up and talk to you and the heart to listen. Laurie IS EXACTLY how you described her. That is ALL I will say about that. And I have talked with Merr recently since Katy went out there. Laurie lit into me calling me a scum bag and telling me that I was NO kind of father to my daughter, whom she has NEVER seen since she was ONE week OLD. And barely had ANY contact with us. I WAS addicted to pain killers. WAS, and not because I LIKED TO GET HIGH, there are HUNDREDS of WAYS TO GET HIGH and I HAVE NOT EVEN SO MUCH AS TRIED POT BEFORE. I broke my spine and Doctors prescribed them to me and NEVER educated me on the effects especially the long term effects. But anyway after Laurie talked that to me Merr emailed me later with a "caring hand" and talked really nice to me and let me in on some of their life as a "couple". I can totally see what a Detective told me to my face the night I heard that 911 call. He said that they suspected a "female" friend of Mary's to have had a "crush" on Mary that didn't go as she had planned it to. They suspected, SUSPECTED ONLY,that she may have been rejected and didn't take it well. ME,MYSELF started putting together a kind of "soap opera" together in my head. Mrs.,well call her Ann, Mrs. Ann was in love with Mary, Mary cried on her shoulder all the time and came across as VERY confused and in a horrible situation where two men were ruining her life. Her abusive husband and the man she was having an affair on him with. Well Mrs. Ann falls for Mary who seems vulnerable, she tries one night to profess her love and gets shot down REALLY HARD, she gets insanely mad and goes home to vent to her "other" lover ,Mrs.Angel. Mrs Angel is caught off guard that her "lover" had been shot down by another woman BUT she loves Mrs. ANN and doesnt blame her but blames Mary. Together they plot on a way to end this once and for all. For Mrs. Ann it's revenge, "who is she to turn ME down, the ONLY one that cares for and loves her and the ONLY person in this planet who doesnt mistreat her" and Mrs. Angel it's revenge for "how dare you seduce MY lover and make her think you REALLY care for her and use YOUR problems to draw her into your little love triangle". SO after the "botched" hit, they decide that Mary has had TOO many chances and has gotten out of too many jams and does it themselves by running her off the road and doing it themselves. I DON'T KNOW who done it Duane, BUT they knew the gun was there, THEY KNEW what road she was on, THEY KNEW about yours and hers little "falling out" and they KNEW WAY TOO MUCH. EVEN Mary knew something was up Duane. It is actually tremendously scary to know some of the **** Katy has told me about those last couple days. She said that ANY other day Mary would dress in VERY brightly colored clothes and ALWAYS wore her REAL engagement ring. During those last FEW days she started wearing ALL BLACK,which Katy said she didn't even think about wearing even to funerals, and she made sure to wear her "fake" engagement ring. NOW, Katy, WAS IN FACT, with Mike at the time of the MURDER, BUT, THAT DOES NOT mean that MIKE DIDN'T have anything to do with it. I WILL TELL YOU, that once me and Katy became "exclusive" he began bringing a woman home which in less than two years after Mary's death he marries. When Katy had her graduation from high school THE VERY DAY actually she had to be out of her apartment she had been living in. I was permitted to spend the night and even sleep in the same bed as katy at the apartment, BUT when they moved into a home owned by his new wife, I wasn't even allowed to stay in the same HOUSE overnight. EVEN THOUGH, his "soon to be wife" stayed under the same roof as me MANY MANY times before. Her with Mike and me with Katy, we had diners and lunches and EVERYTHING TOGETHER, BUT NOW when the ball was in HER court she made it clear that I was NOT welcome to be there. Eventually Mike began drifting further and further away from Katy. He was there when the baby was born, ONLY because he happened to work right across the street. AFTER the baby was born he NEVER seen her but ONCE or TWICE in the THREE years of her life. I remember PLAIN AS DAY Duane, me and Katy were walking through the mall and she was around 5 months pregnant, hadnt told her father yet because the way he had been acting she was scared to. She said "dad I am going to have a baby" he looked at her with the blandest of stares,never even batted a ****ing eyelash and simply stated "you know that your pregnancy and your birth WILL NOT be covered by my insurance" and that is ALL HE SAID TO HER. THAT WAS IT. And the LAST time either of us saw him until delivery day. He IS AN ULTRA PIECE OF ****. and some of the things I found out that he had done to Mary is ********. DUDE, DUANE if you mention that last statement this dialogue between us is over OK? Not to be rude BUT ONLY I KNOW SOME OF THE DARK **** HE DID TO HER. And if you MAGICALLY find out then they will know who told it and my family will be COMPLETELY destroyed. BUT after some of the HORRIBLE **** I heard he did to her, I WOULD NEVER ALLOW HIM ANY ALONE TIME WITH MY DAUGHTER. or MY CHILD FOR THAT MATTER, MALE OR FEMALE. SO just about anything that you could conjure up in the sickest part of your imagination wouldnt come close to some of the **** I heard, and I BELIEVE. SO I let you in on some VERY personal knowledge, I hope I have earned a little bit of your trust. at least enough to start hearing some VERY important things about her death. I absolutely HAVE TO GET THIS SOLVED Duane. It will DESTROY KATY if it doesnt. SHE NEEDS CLOSURE. OUT OF EVERYONE INVOLVED YOU,LAURIE,MIKE, STEPH, ITS KATY THAT NEEDS THE RESOLUTION, I HOPE YOU AGREE. THAT was her MOTHER, her BEST FRIEND and her ONLY source on how to be a WOMAN when Katy needed her the MOST she was taken. KATY didn't even know HOW to be a proper woman Duane, that is SO sad to me. BUT IF I CAN HELP IN ANY WAY PLEASE ASK. IT'S TIME DUANE. IT'S TIME WE ALL GET TOGETHER AND PUT PAST DIFFERENCES ASIDE AND SETTLE THIS **** ONCE AND FOR ALL

Hornetguy4 · 06-11-2019, 05:36 PM

That’s the info I was talking about. Very important. Conversation between Koala and Timmy Estep

TheCars1986 · 06-12-2019, 07:02 AM

thinwhiteduke74 · 06-12-2019, 07:52 AM

If I believe in anything, it's in the importance of short paragraphs.

Hambone2421 · 06-12-2019, 03:29 PM

Good Lord. Duane is at it again. He sent that same conversation to me years ago. That dude needs to move on with his life. No one wants to write a book with you. Find a woman, Duane. Get laid. Quit harassing everyone and spewing you nonsense to everyone.

05-29-2019, 09:19 PM	#257
Hornetguy4 Member Occasional Poster Join Date: May 22, 2019 Posts: 10	Very interesting indeed. Still have a lot of questions. I think a lot of things still are being missed or not discussed or possibly even hidden. Some things are just weird and a lot of questions need to be answered.

06-08-2019, 04:26 PM	#258
Hornetguy4 Member Occasional Poster Join Date: May 22, 2019 Posts: 10	Not to put anyone in their feelings or make anyone feel some kind of way but I have some information that I think is important. These are not my words. This was given to me from Koala who got it from Timmy Estep. This is just a little bit of what I have from a 157 page conversation between the two. I think this is very important to the Mary McGuinniss case. Anyone wants to contact me log in and you will find my email address.

06-08-2019, 06:52 PM	#260
Hornetguy4 Member Occasional Poster Join Date: May 22, 2019 Posts: 10	I’m having trouble posting the info on this thread. I can email it

06-09-2019, 09:13 AM	#262
Hornetguy4 Member Occasional Poster Join Date: May 22, 2019 Posts: 10	Not This

06-10-2019, 06:14 PM	#265
drew790 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 17, 2017 Posts: 847	Only this thread?

06-11-2019, 05:35 PM	#266
Hornetguy4 Member Occasional Poster Join Date: May 22, 2019 Posts: 10	well if it is ANY satisfaction to you at ALL, I have NEVER believed you had ANYTHING to do with the murder. THAT is NOT why I contacted you though. I have heard just about EVERY side of the story except for yours. I read alot of the posts you put up on that site. I didn't know that you went to any diners with Mary or anything like that. And I'm sure that if Katy knew she would have mentioned it before. Don't worry about my myspace or anything, I didn't even see the post were you mentioned it. I DON'T MIND you mentioning that you are talking to me, BUT PLEASE don't mention ANYTHING on there that WE talk about. I don't care if later on that you put up some of our discussions as long as Katy or ANYONE in her section of this case can link it back to me. In my mind you had a falling out with Mary at a VERY inconvenient time for YOU. I believe to that whoever killed her had ALOT of information about Mary but WASN'T at ALL close to her. In my mind and this is between ME AND YOU. SO DO NOT POST THIS OTHER THAN TO ME, that SOMEONE near and dear to Mary wanted her dead and paid a "nonprofessional" to do it for probably peanuts. That's why the person got the wrong Mary to start with. BUT another scenario is that somebody DID pay off a hitman because the first MURDER was VERY GOOD and THOROUGH with hiding any evidence and burning the body like that. BUT he DID get the wrong Mary. It was how long before our Mary was murdered? was it like two days or two weeks? either way it was ENOUGH time for whoever paid off the "hitman" to contact him and scald his ass for getting the wrong one. in my mind it plays out as whoever wanted her dead got mad because the "deed" was done in the "hitmans" eyes and he wasn't sticking his neck out for another "job" because it was too soon and too risky. Hearing this whoever ordered the "hit" must have gotten antsy and decided to do it themselves. NOW DUANE there are only a HANDFULL of people outside the law that heard the 911 call, and if YOU LEAK ANYTHING that I tell you I WILL KNOW it was YOU and they will know it WAS ME who told you. In the call she never said "he" or "she" she said "they" she was in her car calling 911 and saying that "they are trying to get me" "help me they are trying to kill me" and she screamed and it went blank. I NEVER ONCE met Mary and I have NEVER talked or anything to her. Not until Katy came back to W.V. and settled back in did we meet. And over 8 years I have seen this ** escalate. I AM TIRED of that little girl not being able to grow up into a ing adult because of this **** that happened in her life. It is like she came back to Texas to relive her youth that was taken from her when her mother was taken. And that interfered with MY life and took my little girl. I WANT THIS SOLVED NOW. ANYTHING I CAN DO TO HELP JUST ASK. I am with you NOW. I DONT CARE WHO KNOWS IT OR WHO GETS MAD. I WANT TO HELP. If they see it as me cohorting with the enemy SO BE IT. BUT at least I had the balls to man up and talk to you and the heart to listen. Laurie IS EXACTLY how you described her. That is ALL I will say about that. And I have talked with Merr recently since Katy went out there. Laurie lit into me calling me a scum bag and telling me that I was NO kind of father to my daughter, whom she has NEVER seen since she was ONE week OLD. And barely had ANY contact with us. I WAS addicted to pain killers. WAS, and not because I LIKED TO GET HIGH, there are HUNDREDS of WAYS TO GET HIGH and I HAVE NOT EVEN SO MUCH AS TRIED POT BEFORE. I broke my spine and Doctors prescribed them to me and NEVER educated me on the effects especially the long term effects. But anyway after Laurie talked that to me Merr emailed me later with a "caring hand" and talked really nice to me and let me in on some of their life as a "couple". I can totally see what a Detective told me to my face the night I heard that 911 call. He said that they suspected a "female" friend of Mary's to have had a "crush" on Mary that didn't go as she had planned it to. They suspected, SUSPECTED ONLY,that she may have been rejected and didn't take it well. ME,MYSELF started putting together a kind of "soap opera" together in my head. Mrs.,well call her Ann, Mrs. Ann was in love with Mary, Mary cried on her shoulder all the time and came across as VERY confused and in a horrible situation where two men were ruining her life. Her abusive husband and the man she was having an affair on him with. Well Mrs. Ann falls for Mary who seems vulnerable, she tries one night to profess her love and gets shot down REALLY HARD, she gets insanely mad and goes home to vent to her "other" lover ,Mrs.Angel. Mrs Angel is caught off guard that her "lover" had been shot down by another woman BUT she loves Mrs. ANN and doesnt blame her but blames Mary. Together they plot on a way to end this once and for all. For Mrs. Ann it's revenge, "who is she to turn ME down, the ONLY one that cares for and loves her and the ONLY person in this planet who doesnt mistreat her" and Mrs. Angel it's revenge for "how dare you seduce MY lover and make her think you REALLY care for her and use YOUR problems to draw her into your little love triangle". SO after the "botched" hit, they decide that Mary has had TOO many chances and has gotten out of too many jams and does it themselves by running her off the road and doing it themselves. I DON'T KNOW who done it Duane, BUT they knew the gun was there, THEY KNEW what road she was on, THEY KNEW about yours and hers little "falling out" and they KNEW WAY TOO MUCH. EVEN Mary knew something was up Duane. It is actually tremendously scary to know some of the Katy has told me about those last couple days. She said that ANY other day Mary would dress in VERY brightly colored clothes and ALWAYS wore her REAL engagement ring. During those last FEW days she started wearing ALL BLACK,which Katy said she didn't even think about wearing even to funerals, and she made sure to wear her "fake" engagement ring. NOW, Katy, WAS IN FACT, with Mike at the time of the MURDER, BUT, THAT DOES NOT mean that MIKE DIDN'T have anything to do with it. I WILL TELL YOU, that once me and Katy became "exclusive" he began bringing a woman home which in less than two years after Mary's death he marries. When Katy had her graduation from high school THE VERY DAY actually she had to be out of her apartment she had been living in. I was permitted to spend the night and even sleep in the same bed as katy at the apartment, BUT when they moved into a home owned by his new wife, I wasn't even allowed to stay in the same HOUSE overnight. EVEN THOUGH, his "soon to be wife" stayed under the same roof as me MANY MANY times before. Her with Mike and me with Katy, we had diners and lunches and EVERYTHING TOGETHER, BUT NOW when the ball was in HER court she made it clear that I was NOT welcome to be there. Eventually Mike began drifting further and further away from Katy. He was there when the baby was born, ONLY because he happened to work right across the street. AFTER the baby was born he NEVER seen her but ONCE or TWICE in the THREE years of her life. I remember PLAIN AS DAY Duane, me and Katy were walking through the mall and she was around 5 months pregnant, hadnt told her father yet because the way he had been acting she was scared to. She said "dad I am going to have a baby" he looked at her with the blandest of stares,never even batted a ing eyelash and simply stated "you know that your pregnancy and your birth WILL NOT be covered by my insurance" and that is ALL HE SAID TO HER. THAT WAS IT. And the LAST time either of us saw him until delivery day. He IS AN ULTRA PIECE OF . and some of the things I found out that he had done to Mary is ****. DUDE, DUANE if you mention that last statement this dialogue between us is over OK? Not to be rude BUT ONLY I KNOW SOME OF THE DARK HE DID TO HER. And if you MAGICALLY find out then they will know who told it and my family will be COMPLETELY destroyed. BUT after some of the HORRIBLE I heard he did to her, I WOULD NEVER ALLOW HIM ANY ALONE TIME WITH MY DAUGHTER. or MY CHILD FOR THAT MATTER, MALE OR FEMALE. SO just about anything that you could conjure up in the sickest part of your imagination wouldnt come close to some of the I heard, and I BELIEVE. SO I let you in on some VERY personal knowledge, I hope I have earned a little bit of your trust. at least enough to start hearing some VERY important things about her death. I absolutely HAVE TO GET THIS SOLVED Duane. It will DESTROY KATY if it doesnt. SHE NEEDS CLOSURE. OUT OF EVERYONE INVOLVED YOU,LAURIE,MIKE, STEPH, ITS KATY THAT NEEDS THE RESOLUTION, I HOPE YOU AGREE. THAT was her MOTHER, her BEST FRIEND and her ONLY source on how to be a WOMAN when Katy needed her the MOST she was taken. KATY didn't even know HOW to be a proper woman Duane, that is SO sad to me. BUT IF I CAN HELP IN ANY WAY PLEASE ASK. IT'S TIME DUANE. IT'S TIME WE ALL GET TOGETHER AND PUT PAST DIFFERENCES ASIDE AND SETTLE THIS ** ONCE AND FOR ALL

06-11-2019, 05:36 PM	#267
Hornetguy4 Member Occasional Poster Join Date: May 22, 2019 Posts: 10	That’s the info I was talking about. Very important. Conversation between Koala and Timmy Estep

06-12-2019, 07:02 AM	#268
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06-12-2019, 07:52 AM	#269
thinwhiteduke74 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Mar 16, 2011 Posts: 387	If I believe in anything, it's in the importance of short paragraphs.

06-12-2019, 03:29 PM	#270
Hambone2421 Member Senior Member Join Date: Dec 08, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 2,067	Good Lord. Duane is at it again. He sent that same conversation to me years ago. That dude needs to move on with his life. No one wants to write a book with you. Find a woman, Duane. Get laid. Quit harassing everyone and spewing you nonsense to everyone.