Dick Hansen - saw this on Websleuths

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by James T

Maybe it was a pre-arranged meeting with somebody else who wasn't there, or who was hiding then did the deed. If she had pulled the trigger it is unlikely she would have been searched as a suspect at that point, hell some cops have managed to not even search actual suspects who they then find weapons on back at the station or hidden in the police car, or later at the station toilets.

If we assume that Jean was involved somehow, what's the motive for her cooperating with someone who wanted Dick dead, or what would be her motive to want him dead? They weren't romantically involved. They were friends. There is no insurance payout here. And if this person was waiting in the wings to murder Dick, how did he leave the scene? Did this entire murder plot hinge on the fact that Jean could get Dick to pull off an exit ramp on a highway nowhere near where they intended to go?

Originally Posted by James T

Yep, the biggest issue is a ten mile chase at high speeds, then swerving around, breaking & taking off again etc without any witnesses that we know of. This wasn't even 3 or 4 in the morning, there should have been a decent number of other motorists out there.

It was between 2 and 3 in the morning when all of this went down.

[freakbook]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

I understand why people would be skeptical of her story, simply because of how outrageous it sounds. But when you actually break everything down, it makes sense. They were driving in separate cars, how and why would Jean get Dick to pull over just to randomly murder him nowhere near her home? And what motive is there? And how did she get rid of the murder weapon so quickly?

Another reason I think people are skeptical is because, like Rob Shafer, these events happened late at night/early in the morning with minimal witnesses.

I agree and this is why I deleted my last comments. I was skeptical of Jean, but I thought more about where they ended up where Dick was shot. They had no reason to be there as they were in separate vehicles and nothing was there.

Also, I agree about motive Dick had invited Jean out so what would her motive be to have him killed at a weird location? I understand people are skeptical about her not being shot as well as he left a witness, and that a portion of her story makes no sense such as the sports thing, but I really can't see a motive here.

Now maybe she's omitting a few things out of fear, but I believe the baseline of what she said. Now I don't believe they were killed because of the mailbox because he never got out of his vehicle and asked them to move. He never said anything, so I won't assume it's because they were blocking the mailbox.

Maybe Dick was being loud and obnoxious that night, or offended him somehow. Or maybe he had a crush on Jean and was eyeing her the whole night. Him and Jean could've known each other and she lied about certain parts to protect his identity. It seems like he was stalking them and then pulled behind them

[freakbook]

It said that Dick was going through a nasty divorce. Maybe the ex-wife should be looked at more suspiciously

[MegtheEgg86]

Originally Posted by freakbook

Now I don't believe they were killed because of the mailbox because he never got out of his vehicle and asked them to move. He never said anything, so I won't assume it's because they were blocking the mailbox.

That's a pretty fair and salient point. To make the inference that the reason the assailant was irate because of a blocked mailbox is to utilize little to no evidence other than Jean's car was parked on a street very near to a mailbox. That really is the extent of it. The theory, then, seems rather poorly supported.

[freakbook]

Originally Posted by MegtheEgg86

That's a pretty fair and salient point. To make the inference that the reason the assailant was irate because of a blocked mailbox is to utilize little to no evidence other than Jean's car was parked on a street very near to a mailbox. That really is the extent of it. The theory, then, seems rather poorly supported.

Yeah, nothing was said at the mailbox so it's hard to say what he honked for. If someone really wanted to use the mailbox then I would assume that if after the honk Dick didn't move, then he would've got out and said something.

I know people go crazy over small stuff but this doesn't make much sense. If he had gotten out and shot Dick after asking him to move then sure. But it's difficult to say he was killed for blocking a mailbox after never saying anything.

I really wonder what he wanted from that honk though. This case does seem bizarre because why didn't he attack there if the street was empty? He could've easily gotten Dick when Jean got out to getting her car

[freakbook]

Also something that makes me question the mailbox motive was that Dick seemed more upset than the shooter. If someone was blocking the mailbox and I was angry enough to follow, then I guarantee that I would've the first one out the car screaming. He seemed oddly cool for someone with rage about a blocked mailbox. He also would've gotten out at the mailbox and accosted Jane when she went to get into her car.

I honestly don't know if I believe her story, but if I assume everything she said was true, then I'd assume that the guy had a crush on her and was stalking them. Jane said she pointed at her car and Dick told him to go away. He could've said something along the lines of "I want her" or something. It also backs the theory that he didn't kill her but stared at her. Yeah it's weird that he didn't assault her then, but who knows.

Meg, your Jane and Rob connection is hilarious. Lmao

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by MegtheEgg86

That's a pretty fair and salient point. To make the inference that the reason the assailant was irate because of a blocked mailbox is to utilize little to no evidence other than Jean's car was parked on a street very near to a mailbox. That really is the extent of it. The theory, then, seems rather poorly supported.

I can't find the article for the life of me, but I do remember reading one and I'm 99% sure that this was the motive being pushed by either law enforcement or Dick's family. If the disgruntled fan theory is the correct one, I wonder if the guy committed suicide shortly after murdering Dick, and the connection was never made which is why he's never been identified.

[freakbook]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

I can't find the article for the life of me, but I do remember reading one and I'm 99% sure that this was the motive being pushed by either law enforcement or Dick's family. If the disgruntled fan theory is the correct one, I wonder if the guy committed suicide shortly after murdering Dick, and the connection was never made which is why he's never been identified.

The problem with the mailbox and crazed fan theory is that there's no evidence to support neither, they're just loose speculations given by L. E. based on Jeans testimony because they have nothing else to go on.

There's no motive here, so I guess their only guesses (which are poor) are that he was blocking the mailbox, or the guy was a big football fan. I wouldn't us credibility to either theory as they're weak.

[freakbook]

Alot of people said that they're skeptical of Jane, and I've read that some people think Jane possibly done it, but what if Dick was the bad guy here?

What if they got into an argument at the end of the night and Jane left due to the fighting. She then noticed Dick was following here so she pulled off the highway to get him to stop. He gets out of the car angry and approaches her vehicle cussing and going crazy and she shot him in self defense?

[ontarioboi]

Originally Posted by freakbook

Alot of people said that they're skeptical of Jane, and I've read that some people think Jane possibly done it, but what if Dick was the bad guy here?

What if they got into an argument at the end of the night and Jane left due to the fighting. She then noticed Dick was following here so she pulled off the highway to get him to stop. He gets out of the car angry and approaches her vehicle cussing and going crazy and she shot him in self defense?

Wouldn't 2 cars be at the scene? But it would be pretty hard to follow someone on a highway for an extended amount of time. Maybe he was a dealer and was killed by another dealer?

[freakbook]

Originally Posted by ontarioboi

Wouldn't 2 cars be at the scene? But it would be pretty hard to follow someone on a highway for an extended amount of time. Maybe he was a dealer and was killed by another dealer?

Yes. Her car and Dick's car. If she shot him, then it would only be their cars.

What I'm saying is that her and Dick got into an argument and Dick followed her until she pulled over. He approached her car and she shot him while sitting in the vehicle.

The problem I have with someone else doing this (unless it was someone in the bar) is why follow Dick and bother being seen by Jane? Why not get Dick alone if it was a drug deal? How did they know he was going to be where he was that night? Why follow him and wait until he leaves a bar late?

The drug theory doesn't make much sense either, because then we'd have to assume that this guy followed Dick to the bar, waited all night, and followed him and Jane only to be seen by Jane.

Also, if we were to believe Jane's story, then the guy pointed at Jane's car. Why would a disgruntled drug dealer point at Jane's car if he was mad at Dick?

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by freakbook

What if they got into an argument at the end of the night and Jane left due to the fighting. She then noticed Dick was following here so she pulled off the highway to get him to stop. He gets out of the car angry and approaches her vehicle cussing and going crazy and she shot him in self defense?

How'd she get rid of the gun that quickly? A motorist pulled up within seconds of Dick being shot, and the police were there within minutes. And why invent the story about this Steve Urkel lookalike? Look at the murder of Matthew Chase, the 4 teenagers who were run off the road, Gretchen Burford, Charles Holden's mother, etc. Random crimes do happen. Why aren't people more suspicious of the Greensboro hit and run, Richard Aderson, or Jay Durham for that matter? 3 cases of random road rage with no motive whatsoever. No one (rightfully) suspects their stories. Why is this story the only one that makes people suspicious?

[freakbook]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

How'd she get rid of the gun that quickly? A motorist pulled up within seconds of Dick being shot, and the police were there within minutes. And why invent the story about this Steve Urkel lookalike? Look at the murder of Matthew Chase, the 4 teenagers who were run off the road, Gretchen Burford, Charles Holden's mother, etc. Random crimes do happen. Why aren't people more suspicious of the Greensboro hit and run, Richard Aderson, or Jay Durham for that matter? 3 cases of random road rage with no motive whatsoever. No one (rightfully) suspects their stories. Why is this story the only one that makes people suspicious?

You know Cars......I'm going to go ahead and completely agree with you. You made me think of the Brayman Road Attacker. There are a bunch of random attacks, there's a good portion on UM alone. I think alot of people question her because of the football, and mailbox theories but those were thought up by the police, not her. I also just re-watched the segment and didn't get that she was lying.

With that said, my main theory on this case is the Urkel looking individual was someone who saw them earlier that night, and stalked them. Jane said she pointed at her, so I think that he probably saw her in the bar and was infatuated with her to a degree, could be the reason why he didn't shoot her also.

Another thing I want to touch on is that alot of people question her because "the guy pointed at her license plate, so it must be football related". I want to say that is probably false. The way she made it sound was that he pointed at HER, not necessarily her license plate. If someone is infront of and you point at them in terms of referencing them, then of course you're going to point AT THEIR BACK, because you have nowhere else to point. I think the guy was pointing at her, not her license plate. He was obviously referencing her, as he had nowhere else to point.

[ontarioboi]

Originally Posted by freakbook

Yes. Her car and Dick's car. If she shot him, then it would only be their cars.

What I'm saying is that her and Dick got into an argument and Dick followed her until she pulled over. He approached her car and she shot him while sitting in the vehicle.

The problem I have with someone else doing this (unless it was someone in the bar) is why follow Dick and bother being seen by Jane? Why not get Dick alone if it was a drug deal? How did they know he was going to be where he was that night? Why follow him and wait until he leaves a bar late?

The drug theory doesn't make much sense either, because then we'd have to assume that this guy followed Dick to the bar, waited all night, and followed him and Jane only to be seen by Jane.


Also, if we were to believe Jane's story, then the guy pointed at Jane's car. Why would a disgruntled drug dealer point at Jane's car if he was mad at Dick?

If she did indeed kill him why do it in public? There would be easier ways to do so since they were lovers. Another point, how come theres no mention of alcohol? They left a bar late at night, was Dick driving drunk? Was that why he might have been angry?

Maybe it was a professional hit and was done to send a message to his gf who might have had other ties.Maybe it was a bar he frequented or a bar where a lot of drug deals go down.

[freakbook]

Originally Posted by ontarioboi

If she did indeed kill him why do it in public? There would be easier ways to do so since they were lovers. Another point, how come theres no mention of alcohol? They left a bar late at night, was Dick driving drunk? Was that why he might have been angry?

Maybe it was a professional hit and was done to send a message to his gf who might have had other ties.Maybe it was a bar he frequented or a bar where a lot of drug deals go down.

I don't think she killed him, but my theory was that if she did kill him, it was because they got into a heated argument inside of the car after the bar, and Dick chased her and when she finally pulled over she shot him in self defense.

There's no need to mention alcohol. Dick was angry because they were being followed by an unknown 3rd party so said something stupid/offensive.