Dick Hansen - saw this on Websleuths

[MegtheEgg86]

Originally Posted by dynoguy88

That's an interesting theory. Only problem with it was the man saw Jean, not Dick, get in the car with the 49ER HUGS plate. Once both cars pulled away from the curb, the man would have had no idea if they would be going separate ways home or not. And it was Jean he was trailing for most of the ride which included the impromptu stop and eye contact with each other when Jean slammed on her breaks.

That theory might work, however, if the man thought that Jean was his wife and they would be going to the same home. Dick walking up to him would be essentially handing him a gift on a platter.

Regarding the Harris-Barton-lookalike-slash-license-plate theory, maybe it's possible this man actually spotted Dick and Jean at Boswell's and then followed them to the street in front of Original Joe's where they had left their vehicles. It might have been difficult to recall somebody being present in a nightclub, what with all the people who are usually in such places at such a time of the night and into the early morning.

ETA: I mean this all to say that it might not have mattered so much who was going where, just that the two were spotted together and it might not have mattered, necessarily, who was the ultimate target.

[Guitar]

Someone invoked Occam's Razor. There is no Occam's Razor in this case. There is no simplicity to anything here. 9/11 conspiracy theorists especially love to invoke that phrase then go on to describe what would be the most complex conspiracy in world history.

"WHY would a drug dealer or professional hitman leave a witness?"


We could just as easily ask why a "common person" who just had a simple case of "road rage" would just linger and stare at someone for a long interval after he had murdered a man instead of panicking and leaving and/or killing her as well immediately. We're not discussing an ordinary person-- drug dealer with a grudge or not. I could also make the case that Hansen was targeted and after the guy made the hit he lingered due to hubris.

Also, if Hansen believed that he *wasn't* targeting him due to his past behavior then why wouldn't he have confronted the man much sooner? Even the original report that someone posted indicated that it was odd that someone who was so well built and had a history of getting in guys' faces fled for so long.

Again, there is nothing that is simple here. It's just my instinct that it was drug related.

[SageSlowdive]

I've repeated this before but Joe Pesci's character in Goodfellas is based on real-life mobster and killer Tommy DeSimone. He was known to attack and kill people simply for fun. There are people out there who simply likedoing doing this and this might have been a clear case of that.

[ontarioboi]

what if the highway chase was made up? What if Dick's gf was a user to? Was there any other witnesses to the highway chase?

[MegtheEgg86]

Originally Posted by Guitar

Someone invoked Occam's Razor. There is no Occam's Razor in this case. There is no simplicity to anything here. 9/11 conspiracy theorists especially love to invoke that phrase then go on to describe what would be the most complex conspiracy in world history.

"WHY would a drug dealer or professional hitman leave a witness?"


We could just as easily ask why a "common person" who just had a simple case of "road rage" would just linger and stare at someone for a long interval after he had murdered a man instead of panicking and leaving and/or killing her as well immediately. We're not discussing an ordinary person-- drug dealer with a grudge or not. I could also make the case that Hansen was targeted and after the guy made the hit he lingered due to hubris.

Also, if Hansen believed that he *wasn't* targeting him due to his past behavior then why wouldn't he have confronted the man much sooner? Even the original report that someone posted indicated that it was odd that someone who was so well built and had a history of getting in guys' faces fled for so long.

Again, there is nothing that is simple here. It's just my instinct that it was drug related.

I've gone back and forth over this case over the near-fifteen years I've been familiar with it. There are problems with this case, as with the majority of the cases featured on UM, in the way of information. It's limited. Therefore, one can only make determinations primarily on what information is available, and what information is most credible.

It's for this reason that I have had to discard the so-called drug theory. There simply isn't a lot of information validating the claim that Dick had a problem with drugs. There certainly is such information available establishing that Dick had a problem with alcohol use, but none comparable for drug use (be it cocaine, opioids, or whatever). The drug theory has its origins in a single post on a board much like this one by a party unwilling to identify him or herself except as the child of one of Dick's best friends at Santa Clara. For whatever reason--probably because it tends to mentally satisfy 'loose ends' in this case--the theory's legitimacy has exponentially outgrown its own supporting evidence, which isn't much to begin with.

Should that change, I'll have to change my mind. But until then, I submit a man raging about a blocked mailbox or the 1991 49er's O-line is better supported than a drug beef.

[TheCars1986]

Dick lived alone. If he was killed for reasons related to his personal life, why not do it when he's alone? And why trail Jean's car instead of Dick's?

[James T]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

Dick lived alone. If he was killed for reasons related to his personal life, why not do it when he's alone? And why trail Jean's car instead of Dick's?

Was it just that she was in-between them? Did any of this actually happen?

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by James T

Was it just that she was in-between them? Did any of this actually happen?

Not sure why her car was trailed instead of Dick's, but when Dick confronted the guy, he motioned to her car before shooting Dick. I don't think any angle of a drug debt fits with the known theory. And the "Dates From Hell" episode says a motorist arrived seconds after the killer pulled off, and the police were called and arrived within minutes. Her story checks out, IMO.

[MegtheEgg86]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

Not sure why her car was trailed instead of Dick's, but when Dick confronted the guy, he motioned to her car before shooting Dick. I don't think any angle of a drug debt fits with the known theory. And the "Dates From Hell" episode says a motorist arrived seconds after the killer pulled off, and the police were called and arrived within minutes. Her story checks out, IMO.

Jean is the new Rob Shafer.

[Todd Mueller]

Originally Posted by MegtheEgg86

Jean is the new Rob Shafer.

HAHAHAHA!

Another golden post from Meg. Well done! 👍🏼

[amandab1234]

I agree w/ the other posters who think the license plate has nothing to do with the murder. I believe it’s a random act of violence

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[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by MegtheEgg86

Jean is the new Rob Shafer.

I understand why people would be skeptical of her story, simply because of how outrageous it sounds. But when you actually break everything down, it makes sense. They were driving in separate cars, how and why would Jean get Dick to pull over just to randomly murder him nowhere near her home? And what motive is there? And how did she get rid of the murder weapon so quickly?

Another reason I think people are skeptical is because, like Rob Shafer, these events happened late at night/early in the morning with minimal witnesses.

[James T]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

I understand why people would be skeptical of her story, simply because of how outrageous it sounds. But when you actually break everything down, it makes sense. They were driving in separate cars, how and why would Jean get Dick to pull over just to randomly murder him nowhere near her home? And what motive is there? And how did she get rid of the murder weapon so quickly?

Another reason I think people are skeptical is because, like Rob Shafer, these events happened late at night/early in the morning with minimal witnesses.

Maybe it was a pre-arranged meeting with somebody else who wasn't there, or who was hiding then did the deed. If she had pulled the trigger it is unlikely she would have been searched as a suspect at that point, hell some cops have managed to not even search actual suspects who they then find weapons on back at the station or hidden in the police car, or later at the station toilets.

Yep, the biggest issue is a ten mile chase at high speeds, then swerving around, breaking & taking off again etc without any witnesses that we know of. This wasn't even 3 or 4 in the morning, there should have been a decent number of other motorists out there.