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Believe it or not, this show got better when they dumped the Pizza Place and the med student's girlfriend became a regular. Not that it's incredible TV or anything, but it has its moments and has yet to jump anything.
How can you lose the pizza? What's next, 2 Guys?
Three Guys, Two Girls, And No Pizza Place
The show became bad when Ashley and Berg got together and she became a regular. She is really annoying and I wish they'd get rid of her. Maybe, I'd watch again.
I don't like the show, it makes my head hurt to watch, but did anyone notice that Berg is the same guy who played Billy on the Canadian dramedy "Fifteen"?
When the show changed from Two guys, A Girl, and a Pizza Place to just just Two Guys and A girl.
Quintessential example of what happens when they do it. That Ashley woman stole Berg's balls.
I can't figure out when exactly it did but it is one of two things: 1) When Ashley and Berg broke up, they were pure comedy together, OR 2) When Pete didn't tell Sharon how he really felt and they never ended up hooking up at all. Now she's with a complete dork.
Funny without taking itself too seriously. Not trying to make monumental humor and not getting caught up in catch phrases of any kind. Never jumped.
The show was cool until they broke up. Then it got lame. It used to be my favorite show. That new girl, Elaine or Eileen or whatever, she's not helping. It may have jumped when she showed up. Can you say Three Guys, Three Girls, and an apartment building?
This show was probably mediocre in the concept stage...and from there it went downhill. As lousy as it was from the beginning, it did have just one kernel of a good idea: it was set in a pizza place. That's rare. Aside from "Laverne & Shirley", which had some scenes in Laverne's dad's pizza joint, I don't remember another show set in a pizza place. So that one idea had some potential, and naturally that's the one thing they got rid of. Without the pizza place, it's just another "Friends" ripoff about the sex lives of whiney twentysomethings. There's nothing to distinguish it from countless other shows. And a better name would be "Two Guys, A Girl, & The Worst Title In TV Sitcom History".
When it moved from Tuesday to Friday. Who is home Friday nights?
No Pizza Place! Plus they got rid of that old guy who would tell stories that happened but were actually movies. That was good stuff. Now the focus is Sharon and Johnny getting married, that annoying bitch Irene across the hall and too much Ashley. Where did the focus of this show go?? Started out great, lost the pizza place and now sucks.
The theme song when the show started was the Violent Femmes "Blister in the Sun", then they changed it to some generic instrumental crap. I would tune it just to hear the song and stay for the show. Now I hardly ever watch unless there is absolutely nothing else on.
Don't get me wrong, I still watch 2G2G every week, and it's still pretty darn funny. But the cast members have really changed directions since the first season, which was by far the funniest. Pete has gone from the archictecture-student-straight-man-looking-for-"the-one" to a total flake. Ashley "needs a friend", isn't that sad, give me a break. The original Berg would never have gone for Irene, and Irene would never have "gotten over" Pete. Sharon is pretty much still the same bitch with a different job; she's pretty funny.
this show jumped when the gang left the pizza place. thats where they got the most funniest laughs. bring back the pizza place.
Two Guys, A Girl, And A Pizza Place jumped early on when they got rid of David Ogden Stiers, who played the guy with the movie references. The show was very clever at first and had a sort of wild charm. The characters were witty. Berg was a slacker. The second season started and it was as if the producers lost faith in their characters. Berg had to be a noble medical student. Our late twentysomethings should not be single anymore. They can't be losers! The boyfriend/husband, Johnny, Berg's girlfriend Ashley, and Irene got in the way of the show's playfulness and the relationships of the principle three. I used to look forward to it. Then, I got so bored that I could not justify remembering what night it was on. People at the university used to talk about episodes, but after the first year or so, that even started to dwindle. It is too bad. They had something at first.
In the first season, the character "Berg" was pretty funny and they were two guys who were kind of floundering around after college, but after the first season, the storylines got way too serious and the characters weren't deep enough for the series to be good or funny.
That jerk who's really the kid from Fifteen is a Jason Bateman wannabe.
The show started its slow demise once Johnny (the girl's boyfriend, who was a terrible character) entered for the first time. Anyone remember that? There was a whole string of entirely unfunny episodes going with the love triangle between the girl, Johnny, and Pete. Anyone besides me notice this was about when the pizza place was phased out? And no joke, the series WAS noticeably less funny without the pizza place. And remember when Berg (who used to be the funniest thing on the show) used to be a main character, like Pete was? Now you barely ever see the guy and he's with his idiot girlfriend Irene (another terrible idea from the start, in fact, with this show, any new character that ever entered [with the exception of the Weird Al lookalike, he was the only funny thing left after the characters' personalities and lives were so messed-with] inevitably sucked) every single time I see him, and when Irene's around, Berg's never funny! I gave up on the show, so maybe I'm wrong about Irene, but I never saw much to disprove the theory. Bottom line to ABC- if you still have this show, do this. Revert it to the way it was in the very beginning. Spare no expense. Bring back the pizza place. Make the characters funny again, and never ever expose us to Johnny or Irene again. That's all I got to say!
I tried watching this show in season one, but found absolutely nothing redeemable about it. They must have made changes for season two because it suddenly grew interesting. I was sad to see it go, it was just beginning to pick up steam. I liked the relationships they had in season two. The sexual tension was sometimes fall down hilarious.
I always refused to watch this show because the title is stupid and insulting. The fact that the marketing formula is right in the title and yet the show is still successful shows just how stupid Americans are. They couldn't have been more obvious if they had called it "Attractive Young People hanging out at a Trendy Restaurant"
Even when this show moved to Friday night, I watched it faithfully. Berg and Pete were funny, and adding Ashley, the sarcastic bitch character, was quite refreshing. At least Berg had somebody to play off of. When Johnny and Irene came aboard, it seemed that the show became a bit cluttered. Irene grew on me, though. Her kooky attitude and nutty behavior instantly made her the show's comic relief. It didn't matter, I kept watching all the way up until it went off the air last season. Now, about 10 months later, I've realized one thing I failed to see back then.....they got rid of the pizza place, then Ashley became a regular, then Johnny showed up and married Sharon, then Irene became a regular, then it was Berg and Ashley, then Berg and Irene, Pete and Ashley.....wait a sec, this sounds a LOT like "Friends", doesn't it? Three guys, three girls, mate-swapping between the four singles and one pair who are married. I get it, Irene is supposed to be Phoebe, right? Yeah, that's REAL original. I was so blind then I couldn't see it, and it was right in front of me! Then again, hindsight is always 20/20. I still find myself watching my old tapes, but I think the show took a huge dive when I realized I was watching another ripoff of "Friends."
Personally, i think the shows great, i literately laugh out loud whenever i watch it, and the fact that they lost the pizza place, i know was sad, but it was really just lost to show how Pete and Berg are growing up and making something of their lives. I think that they should have made something out of Pete's crush on Sharon, but i think her and Johnny make a really sweet couple, although she can be a bit too much to take sometimes, but that's what makes her funny! Ashley can be such an annoying character sometimes too, but everyone calling her a bitch for becoming Berg's girlfriend and then a regular character is out. She's a really different character and contrasts a great deal from any other character in the show, so she's original and is also known to have her funny moments. Irene's hilarious and i think her and Berg made a beautiful couple, she's just so small and sweet. But i'm not too convinced about Ashley and Pete being a couple, i'm sure they'd eventually kill each other!
It was funny back when it was called "Men Behaving Badly". Then they replaced the entire cast, redressed all the sets, and put together one of the finest examples of less than mediocre TV and called it "Two Guys, A Girl, And A Pizza Place". Sad. I've actually seen some of the cast in other shows and movies and they seemed talented enough. So it must be the writers and producers' fault.
It was best when Pete started pining for Sharon and the addition of Johnny every week was too much. It was terrible that he had feelings for Sharon and she married Johnny anyway. I liked them better when they were all losers.
When it started, did anyone else notice it's striking similarities to Seinfeld? The Girl was Elaine, that guy who worked at the pharmaceutical company was George, the other guy was jerry. that weird guy at the pizza place was Kramer.
The demise of this television show taught us all a very important lesson: Never under estimate the importance of pizza places. Have you visited your local pizza place today?
When they "grew up", started "real jobs" and left the pizza joint.
The moment all of the writers sat around and said, "You know what? Wouldn't it be great if we had this show with two guys and a girl working in a pizza place? But that'd be a pretty hard show to name... 'Friends' is taken... Hey, why don't we give it a really descriptive name?"
Why didn't they call it "Six Actors, Bad Haircuts and Minimal Talent"?
I used to watch this show in the last season or so when there were six characters--never saw the first season. Recently I have seen reruns showing the first season without Johnny, Ashley and Eileen. I was amazed. There is no doubt this show JTS when the additional cast members were added. Some of the first episodes are hilarious--Sharon is a snooty bitch, Berg still has balls and Pete is always lovable, and as someone else posted--they were losers (and knew it). Love the playoff the three of them had which was lost when others came on.
The show was always fantastic although admittedly the title "two guys and a girl" was pretty misleading by the time it came to an end - there were 3 guys and 3 girls all with seemingly equal roles. I disagree with the people who say something should have happened between Sharon and Pete - the whole point of the show was that they were all friends, not lovers (that being said, maybe the finale should have been sharon and pete getting together, since it was gonna be the last one and all). I can't believe ashley was picked to be pregnant - what kind of picture has that left us with; an upset and confused pete and a bitch running off with his baby? If anyone, sharon and johnny should have had the baby. Was that definitely the last one, coz it was my favourite show on tv? And berg and irene are THE most unlikely couple - when she started getting more sane it went worse. Despite the misleading title towards the end, all the characters were hilarious and talented, and it's a pity we're not gonna be seeing any more. BRING IT BACK!!!!! (just get pete and ashley back together if you do!)
TG&G jumped when they got rid of the original premise of slacker students working at a pizza place. After that they floundered around trying to be "Friends" and never found themselves. Most of all I was irritated that Berg had been a law student and then he was a medical student (did they not realize that med school has prerequisites?) and then he was a resident in no time at all, despite his original slacker attitude.
This show was my favourite ever and I still cant get over the fact that it has finished. The should at least make a feature length one with Pete and Ashley gettin back together, I mean how can they leave us with poor Pete having his baby taken away????? My one gripe with the show is that everything happened too fast - albeit probably because the show had its days numbered - but they could have gotten so much more out of the pete and ashley storyline, the berg and psycho comic-book katie storyline, and maybe even the wedding storyline (although i guess it was gettin a little tedious). AND WHY DID THEY MAKE IRENE SANE?!?!?!
i had to comment, but are you all mad??? Sure it kinda turned into a friends rip off. But what you don't see is that it exceeded friends. When they left the Pizza Place it jumped the shark. No!! ---> how many adults do you know hang about in a pizza joint when they reach almost 30s!! they still hang out in the sodding coffee joint like they are kids. Berg has an excellent speech when he leaves the pizza joint saying 'i'm going home.. y'know why.. because i'm old..' they grow up on tg & a g! Are monica and chandler married? coz they seem no different to friends. Johnny (who really brought something to the show) and Sharon you could see love and chemistry.. So, in summary. Berg grows. joey gets dumber. It is all about growth. It lost it when the guy who quotes movies left?? Your the type of person that finds the Wayans Bros and Seinfeld funny aren't you? he was okay, but obviously gimmicky, and gimmicks don't work... thats why irene had to become sane!!
It never did. I have watched two shows a night on WE for months, cycling through all of the shows at least three times now. The first few shows were awkward but funny. The show hit its stride when Berg went to Medical School and Pete kept changing jobs. My only complaint is that Ashley and Sharon sometimes appeared to be waiting with a grin on their faces to say their funny lines. To compare the show to "Friends" is asinine, as is comparing Irene to Phoebe - hello, everyone LIKED Phoebe! I assume everyone that has made that comparison no longer watches any show that involves more than one person under 40 unless they are enemies. The title is perfect because the show started with "Two Guys and a Girl" and grew from there. The pizza place was great (Stiers was a riot!) but I agree with the previous post that the guys had to move on (though it is odd that they never went back to eat). This show would still be going strong if they had not put it on Friday night. I have never managed a network's lineup, yet I still understand that you do not put a good show on Fri, Sat, or Sun and expect it to get the same ratings it did on its original night. TG&AG is my all-time favorite show and if they released all the episodes on DVD, I would be the first one in line to buy them.
First of all allow me to say that I always enjoyed this show and no matter how silly or bad an episode might have been it always found a way to make me laugh out loud.But with that being said the show while enjoyable jumped the shark so many times in such a few seasons it was unbelieveable.I mean I could deal with Dr. Berg(jump #1),the addition of Johnny,Irene,and Ashley as regulars(jump #2), and even Fireman Pete(jump #3).But nothing could prepare me for jump #4 When Johnny and Sharon got married. Now wasn't the wedding itself that killed the show the after effects on the show after that episode. After that episode Berg and Irene began sleeping together and eventually dating. Ashley is still around not dating anyone and instead of being witty and charming bust still classy and self sufficient she became just plain mean. Sharon becomes a lawyer, and Pete makes falls Irene,Marty,Ashley,and Berg's Mom.And the orginal three Pete,Berg,and Sharon never hang out(which is what the show was all about to begin with).After that yes the show was still funny but a lot of the original charm of the show was gone.
You cast three people who are to old to play college students and then you begin revamping the cast mid season of season 1 followed by a name change, location change, personality change and replacement characters that suck, not to mention Berg goes from delivering pizza’s to babies in a year. **** maybe I should become a doctor.
It definitely Jumped when they lost the Pizza Place. It was the basis for the title for god's sake!
When they lost the Pizza Place. It was still a good show... but after awhile Jonny and Ashley were main characters, and it was more like 3 guys and 2 girls and no pizza place. And then Irene became more "normal and the guys started liking her... she was better when she was crazy
This show only jumped when they cancelled it. It needs to be brought back so we can have a proper ending and find out what happened with Ashley and Pete's baby.
ok, although you all make valid points as to if or when it jts, i must explain my addiction. i watch this show faithfully 4 times a day unless it gets cut short because of a "lifetime" movie. and i love this show because of the 3 main characters. the remained the best part of the show. they have great chemistry and play off each other very well. now, the part i absolutely hate are all of the secondary characters. ashley is so monotone my mind has learned how to drown her out and so now she just sounds like charlie browns teacher to me,"wha wha wha wha wha", her glory time was when pete was constantly making fun of her. i think that girl was john cryers sister (ya know "duckie" from "pretty in pink").and that "germ" idiot with the sunglasses. oh i never remember a time when he would have been considered funny (hopefully who ever though of that disaster is in a lot of artistic pain right now)or will he ever be considered funny. and now irene, the crazy neighbor. i really detested her until she and berg started doin' it. then she seemed to "sane-up" a little bit and they were a funny couple. i never really minded the fact that they dropped the pizza place, doing scenes at the firehouse and the hospital wasn't too bad although the dynamic of them hanging out at the pizza place was unfortunately lost. i thought it was an o.k. move. so there it is!!
i caught this show a once or twice when it was on. i wasnt a regular watcher. i remember watching the "glow-in-the-dark condom" one but never more. i remember watching promos for it but never actually making the effort to watch. now i am at a loss as to why i didnt. this is a GREAT show. i watch on WE everyday and i love it. the three main characters are witty and funny and a great time to watch. berg is the go with the flow kind of guy who will charm the hell out of you for a one-night-stand but you cant say no and you cant get yourself to hate him for it. pete is the sweetest guy you'll ever meet because he wants you to be "the one" so bad. sharon is the best friend you never had who's selfishness doesnt bother you because you know she'll be there for you if you need her. johnny should never have become regular. he was a sweet and guy good for a few eps but should have been discontinued. irene was fun when she was obsessed with pete. when she started sleeping with berg and then eventually started dating him, plus getting normal, that was a bit annoying. what was more annoying was when she broke up with him for kissing that other girl and refused his constant attempts. someone as crazy as that DOES NOT refuse such a good-looking guy who is in love with her because he made one mistake and was honest about it. ashley was only fun to have around when she and pete would insult each other. there was too much sexual tension for them NOT to end up together, but what a bitch for running off with his baby. she was just plain irritating when she was with berg, and should have been dropped after they broke up instead of becoming "part of the gang" because the only reason she was there was berg and they werent together anymore. still, despite the annoying secondary characters, this show is one of my absolute favorites. im addicted and am really sad its not on regularly anymore.
For the first season, this was perhaps the funniest show on television. Mr. Bower was great, the chemistry among the three leads was terrific, and each week brought new reasons to tune in. Even when Berg entered med school, Pete left architecture, and Sharon and (ugh) Johnny got together, the show still hummed, particularly the early Ashley episodes. But I think I can point to the moment when Berg turned over the pizza place to Germ as the moment when this show jumped. And the whole Pete/Sharon/Johnny triangle could certainly have been played out much better than it was -- given all the history between Pete and Sharon, it was impossible to believe that he would go to Paris, date that girl for a couple of days, and then pronounce that he was "over" Sharon, when obviously he was not.
This show jumped with the season finale. Buying a pizza parlor? Sorry, folks. A comedy based in a pizza parlor just ain't gonna cut it. This show has had wildly uneven writing this season. Some episodes had me in tears from laughing so hard; others had me wondering if the entire show was being improvised. Why does ABC allow its Friday shows to self-destruct? David moving in with Bonnie's family was bad enough. Not funny, just not funny. These folks need to identify the writer(s) who comes up with the really funny ideas and fire everybody else. Transferring the set from a morning TV show to a pizza parlor is a jump-the-shark moment if ever there was one.
Ok, this is one of the few tv shows that i can watch again and again. From Berg's Christopher Walken impression to the Halloween special's, this show has never jumped. It came close to it a few times with Ashley but it somehow managed to stay alive and fresh. Personal favourite episode was the one with no script, all music and a bit of dancing. This is one show i can watch again and again, and i do!
Firstly, they sold the pizza place! Then, after Ashley and Berg broke up, Pete slept with Ashley. To rub salt into the 'wound' Pete falls in love with Berg's mother (and vice-versa)! Not to mention Pete cuts his finger trying to make a chopped salad for Berg to 'make it up to him'. When did Sharon and Johnny have kids? I missed that one!
I used to refer to this absolute waste of time as "Two Guys, a Girl, a Pizza Place, and Zero Entertainment Value." In fact, that made-up title is a hell of a lot funnier than anything ever seen on this stupid show. How many seasons did this stay on the air? One would have been too many but I think they managed to squeeze out at least three. I could actually read the other postings to try to figure that out but that would necessitate far too much time and effort on my part. Especially when pertains to dreck like this show.
Apparently, the writers have never been to Tufts University, allegedly attended by the two guys and the girl. The Tufts football team, the Jumbos, plays their homecoming games on campus. Foxboro Stadium, home of the New England Patriots, could probably hold the total turnout for a homecoming game many, many times over.
I don't think that this show jumped the shark, per se, but I do think that it was kind of set adrift while the writers scrambled to figure out what to do with it. It may not have been the most popular show on television when it originally aired (I didn't watch it at all until it hit syndication), so I'm sure that the writers were under pressure to light a fire under the ratings. Suddenly, the cast members are all dating each other (Marti to Berg to Pete to Nomar after Nomar breaks up with Ashley who'd just come off of Berg only to see Ashley end up with Pete who finally goes on a date with Irene (why?) only to have her end up with Berg). What was the point of all of that? It was as if the ratings were so bad that the writers assumed that no viewer would watch the show from week to week. As a result, they wrote the show with poor memory. People got together that made no sense together based on their histories. The craziest coupling was Pete and Mrs. Bergen. I have lots of friends and though a couple of them have had very attractive mothers, I'd never be interested in any of them. This was such a stupid idea that I'm sure that Cheryl Ladd (Berg's original mother) couldn't go along with it - and suddenly Bo Derek is in the role. Personally, I think that Cheryl Ladd is cuter. At this point, the cast was just swimming around in the shark tank waiting to be devoured by mediocrity.
I never really watched the show until my husband and I were stationed in the Middle East and it was on a cable tv channel there. The first episode I viewed was the Halloween episode where everyone but Johnnie and Irene got there brain switched. It was so funny! I became a regular after that. Unfortunately, I never got to see how every episode or how the show ended. When I returned to the States I found the show on the WE channel. Again I still haven't seen every episode and would love to be able to buy all of the seasons on dvd. I personally thought every season got better. It never became stale or predictable. I loved the Johnny character and though he and Sharon made a cute couple. I didn't care much for Irene at first but she began to grow on me. Ashley would have been funnier if she hadn't gotten so mean. Too bad they dump shows that really are fresh and funny and replace them with crap like reality shows.
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