Moonlighting - Season Four DVD Review

[Holland_Vincent]

Hi all

I actually took the time to read this thread and must say the comments made about Glenn Caron's motivations are a tad out there (sorry gals).

Colin, the problem is the words you chose and that this is a fan forum where people have some kind of a bond. These women (they mostly seem to be women) don't like someone else coming in here and saying that something is ridiculous. As you're seeing, people will gang up on you and become very defensive. And besides, us gals tend to get a tad emotional about Moonlighting!

I do not believe many here agree with Laura and Overthmn's specific comments. While most fans who followed Moonlighting know of trouble on the set, a rift between those involved and a change in Maddie from seasons 1-3 to 4, it is silly to think Glenn had a thing for Cybill and went about destroying Maddie Hayes, demonizing her and sabotaging a character Cybill Shepherd played to get revenge. So in essence, you are right, that is a silly remark.

However, you came across as attacking the posters so everyone here is going to come to their rescue as it where. As you see, they've avoided a rational discussion of the comments and most won't specifically say they agree with the comments you pointed out. That's why they keep attacking you instead of considering what you are actually saying. Next time, choose your words more carefully!!! If instead of calling the comments ridiculous, you would have said you disagreed and said there was no evidence, etc, you would have made more headway

Oh, and please don't flame me for trying to bring some peace to the subject !!!


best
Holland

[adyjdy]

Nothing substantive to say, but, neon LOL!

[laura a]

I wouldn`t exactly call them fantasies!. But let me just add one more thing before i shut my mouth over this whole topic,it`s been said in a number of sources that Cybill did or considered sueing Glenn for sexual harrasment at one point , i think it may have been just before he left the show.

[neon000]

Actually, Holland, if you read the entire thread, it seems quite a few people did agree with Laura and Overthmn. The chief problem with Colin, anyway, wasn't so much his disagreement as his rudeness and stubbornness. I can handle debate anytime. I cannot stand stroppy, mean people who love to throw roadblocks into a good conversation.

Colin seems to be absolutely astonished that people would dare to disagree with him. Now, what kind of adult takes that attitude?

If Colin keeps insisting that he's right and how on Earth could anybody say different, I think it safe to say he is going to harsh the mood for more than a few people.

If you downplay the original comments on the subject, and say you agree with Colin but you just didn't like his choice of words... are you really saying very much? Certainly doesn't sound like that much of a disagreement.

There is a difference between flaming and saying what you think.

Remember when this thread was about Season 4 of 'Moonlighting'? God, those were the days...

[adyjdy]

For the record, I think laura and overthmn have a fine and reasonable theory about the Caron/Cybill relationship. I'm not sure I would agree that the demonizing is 100-percent attributable to Caron's attraction to Cybill. However, I think it's a reasonable idea to throw into the mix of why Maddie was demonized.

And P.S...

Originally Posted by Holland_Vincent

These women (they mostly seem to be women) don't like someone else coming in here and saying that something is ridiculous. As you're seeing, people will gang up on you and become very defensive. And besides, us gals tend to get a tad emotional about Moonlighting!

Holland, I find your comments about "us gals" a little demeaning, and frankly playing right into colin's hands. I don't know a lot of men who like their opinion called "ridiculous" either. Mean spirited, overly-confrontational comments SHOULD be called out. I don't think the gender or the emotional state of those calling it out is really relevant.

[neon000]

Adyjdy: Well said.

[moonlighting]

There are episodes in Season 4 which are truncated. In the episode Cool Hand Dave, Agnes and Herbert open the show. In part 2 of the show, the show features recaps of the previous episode. That is why both shows are only 44 minutes each. In later episodes before Maddie's return, there is a hospital scene with a patient who was on life support and then code blues when she is not on the episode...it could be the fetal attraction episode.

[dihop]

I was just surfing the Deep Discount DVD website, and noticed the Moonlighting season 4 is their number 7 best seller!

In that case, we should be expecting season 5 info real soon......maybe even a total series set??

[Luar]

Originally Posted by dihop

I was just surfing the Deep Discount DVD website, and noticed the Moonlighting season 4 is their number 7 best seller!

In that case, we should be expecting season 5 info real soon......maybe even a total series set??

I don't know why but if you thinks so, I wonder you know more than us!
Maybe I'm wrong but I like to think that

I hope we soon get season 5 but with all the extras and the other stuff that we love!

[MaddieLovesDavid]

I haven't watched the commentaries yet but if I just look at what is on the screen I do see Maddie's character even in To Heiress Human becoming irrational and cold towards David when it's been the underlying theme that they had come to love each other very much even though they were different in many ways. Therefore, I just don't understand how:



you can have the lush, romantic and final implication of the theme song;

David following Maddie to South America and Maddie following David to New York to support and / or protect the other;

and all those other subtle and not-so-subtle tender / passionate moments and words they've exchanged over the course of three seasons - too numerous to list

plus, Maddie deciding to pass on Sam's offer of marriage because she loves David too;

~~ and then have Maddie say to David that:

she didn't want to work it out;

she wanted to forget their night together and make him pretend it didn't happen too, using his confession of love for her against him (Shouldn't her heart have been all a-flutter about David telling her that he loved her?? These two getting together is the point of this show, not the cases! In my humble opinion, that is. )

he's not the one she's supposed to be with but she of course is exactly what he wants (How mean is that, folks? A man you love and who says he loves you - what should you do with him? Rip the guy's heart out and stomp on it of course.)

"If this is love it's too much work." (So a committed relationship is not worth the same hard work as running a business? Really? Well, if that's the dismal truth, why bother inhaling oxygen anymore?)

Then she runs away, leaving him, her business and her staff in the lurch to sulk at mom and dad’s house for four and a half months and be so completely unhinged over her relationship with David (yes, it is a relationship, Maddie!) that she refuses to even give her poor dad a hint as to why she’s burrowing in his house like a terminally ill groundhog who can’t stand sunlight.

What?! Come on, why would even a non-writer write Maddie Hayes this way if he or she didn’t want the character to be unlikable? They wouldn’t. And why would anyone make the female lead and the ‘likable hero’s woman’ in a romantic dramedy unlikable unless (1) there’s going to be a new female lead or no female lead (Can anyone name one show in which this worked?) or (2) someone doesn’t like the actress playing the role – for whatever reason - to the point where he, she or they are willing to ruin what most fans (the ones responsible for the high ratings) like about the show?

Human nature being what it is, no human behavior is beyond belief to me. Some famous and talented people are just as mean or wacky as anyone else might be. So while there is no absolute proof (that I know of anyway) that Glenn Caron might have had some degree of weird obsession with, or at least dislike for, Cybill Shepherd, it is possible that he did - based on his known comments, stories of sticking it to Cybill but never Bruce, hearsay of an imminent sexual harassment suit and the kooky way he wrote her character or allowed her character to be written. Where there’s that much smoke, there’s a fire or at least a flame somewhere.

And for all we know if this was the case and Bruce was never supportive of her, then maybe all his marbles didn’t line up either. Again, no proof, but it is possible.

*hops off soapbox*

[KissMyGrits]

Great review MaddieLovesDavid! You are spot on with you assessment of their "relationship". I hated the way the writers treated them and their love for each other...

[MaddieLovesDavid]

Thanks, Chelly. It's a wonder that 20 years later I can still get worked up into a passion over this show! Despite my above review, there is still some great acting by Bruce and Cybill in Season 4.