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KRSleater · 02-08-2004, 06:14 PM

So, my friend and I were talking about music today and the media...all that fun stuff. We started talking about the whole "grunge" thing and the amount of bands that were apart of the same scene as Nirvana, Pearl Jam, AIC, etc., that got ignored. Which lead to the topic of how a good amount of the mainstream media and their fans looks to Nirvana as this legendary band. But why? During the grunge trend you had your fab four Seattle bands (AIC, soundgarden, pearl jam, and nirvana) and that was that. During that time Pearl Jam did get a little more attention than the rest. They were more accesible than the other three. They got on Top 40 radio.
Now, I'm not being biased about this because I enjoy Nirvana more than PJ and AIC more than all three but Nirvana wasn't that "big important band" until after Kurt died. It was all hype. I mean, of course they were big but not as big as some people say. I can list many many artists that contributed more to the Alternative scene than Nirvana did. I've seen Kurt listed on top guitarists lists on different publications but he wasn't that good of a guitarist. He had the ability to make simple chords sound better than what they were but so did Mudhoney and the Melvins. Kurt wasn't anything all that original. You also see Nirvana listed as one of the greatest bands of all time. I could list countless bands that are better and more important to music but got very little attention for it compared to what Nirvana got.
Yeah, Smells Like Teen Spirit was a hit but it did not "explode" onto the scene and changed everything in pop music like VH1 and different Nirvana books like to say. It was a gradual thing. Things were already changing. Hair bands were already on their way out before Nirvana came. And Nirvana had as much impact as the other "grunge" bands. So, yes Nirvana had mainstream success because they had a pop hit but that doesn't make them any more important.

Wow. That turned out longer than I thought so I'll cut it right here. Any thoughts, opinions, arguments?

Dean Winchester · 02-08-2004, 11:51 PM

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Originally posted by KRSleater
So, my friend and I were talking about music today and the media...all that fun stuff. We started talking about the whole "grunge" thing and the amount of bands that were apart of the same scene as Nirvana, Pearl Jam, AIC, etc., that got ignored. Which lead to the topic of how a good amount of the mainstream media and their fans looks to Nirvana as this legendary band. But why? During the grunge trend you had your fab four Seattle bands (AIC, soundgarden, pearl jam, and nirvana) and that was that. During that time Pearl Jam did get a little more attention than the rest. They were more accesible than the other three. They got on Top 40 radio.
Now, I'm not being biased about this because I enjoy Nirvana more than PJ and AIC more than all three but Nirvana wasn't that "big important band" until after Kurt died. It was all hype. I mean, of course they were big but not as big as some people say. I can list many many artists that contributed more to the Alternative scene than Nirvana did. I've seen Kurt listed on top guitarists lists on different publications but he wasn't that good of a guitarist. He had the ability to make simple chords sound better than what they were but so did Mudhoney and the Melvins. Kurt wasn't anything all that original. You also see Nirvana listed as one of the greatest bands of all time. I could list countless bands that are better and more important to music but got very little attention for it compared to what Nirvana got.
Yeah, Smells Like Teen Spirit was a hit but it did not "explode" onto the scene and changed everything in pop music like VH1 and different Nirvana books like to say. It was a gradual thing. Things were already changing. Hair bands were already on their way out before Nirvana came. And Nirvana had as much impact as the other "grunge" bands. So, yes Nirvana had mainstream success because they had a pop hit but that doesn't make them any more important.

Wow. That turned out longer than I thought so I'll cut it right here. Any thoughts, opinions, arguments?

nice to see someone else here remembers that. I remember Nirvana being popular in the early 90's, but it seemed like they were a distant second to Pearl Jam, and maybe even behind Stone Temple Pilots, in popularity when Kurt was alive, and suddenly after April 8, 1994 (it happened on the 5th, but 4-8-94 was when we all found out about it), history was rewritten and it was treated as if Nirvana was the biggest thing since the Beatles. When truthfully, at the time, Pearl Jam WERE bigger.

oh well. I always did like Nirvana, but found it funny how attitudes changed so much after Kurt committed suicide, suddenly people acted like they were the biggest thing ever.

KRSleater · 02-10-2004, 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by BuffySlayer79
nice to see someone else here remembers that. I remember Nirvana being popular in the early 90's, but it seemed like they were a distant second to Pearl Jam, and maybe even behind Stone Temple Pilots, in popularity when Kurt was alive, and suddenly after April 8, 1994 (it happened on the 5th, but 4-8-94 was when we all found out about it), history was rewritten and it was treated as if Nirvana was the biggest thing since the Beatles. When truthfully, at the time, Pearl Jam WERE bigger.

oh well. I always did like Nirvana, but found it funny how attitudes changed so much after Kurt committed suicide, suddenly people acted like they were the biggest thing ever.

Heh. Yeah, it's why I think the media sucks. I like your icon by the way.

Dean Winchester · 02-10-2004, 04:14 PM

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Originally posted by KRSleater
Heh. Yeah, it's why I think the media sucks. I like your icon by the way.

what really annoyed me most is that kids I went to school with who didn't really care much about Nirvana one way or the other suddenly were all "Kurt is God!!!!" after he died, and mourning about what big fans they were... when truthfully most of them told me Nirvana sucks when I had bought In Utero a few months earlier.

The biggest annoying thing about a singers death is all the fake fans who come out of the woodwork. Besides Kurt, look at all the people who frankly didn't care one way or the other about Aaliyah before the plane crash who were all "Aaliyah was my baby girl, I miss her!!!". Then why weren't you a fan when she was alive? LOL

02-08-2004, 06:14 PM	#1
KRSleater goodmusic>badmusic Forum Hawk Join Date: Feb 08, 2004 Posts: 4	Overrated Music Rant So, my friend and I were talking about music today and the media...all that fun stuff. We started talking about the whole "grunge" thing and the amount of bands that were apart of the same scene as Nirvana, Pearl Jam, AIC, etc., that got ignored. Which lead to the topic of how a good amount of the mainstream media and their fans looks to Nirvana as this legendary band. But why? During the grunge trend you had your fab four Seattle bands (AIC, soundgarden, pearl jam, and nirvana) and that was that. During that time Pearl Jam did get a little more attention than the rest. They were more accesible than the other three. They got on Top 40 radio. Now, I'm not being biased about this because I enjoy Nirvana more than PJ and AIC more than all three but Nirvana wasn't that "big important band" until after Kurt died. It was all hype. I mean, of course they were big but not as big as some people say. I can list many many artists that contributed more to the Alternative scene than Nirvana did. I've seen Kurt listed on top guitarists lists on different publications but he wasn't that good of a guitarist. He had the ability to make simple chords sound better than what they were but so did Mudhoney and the Melvins. Kurt wasn't anything all that original. You also see Nirvana listed as one of the greatest bands of all time. I could list countless bands that are better and more important to music but got very little attention for it compared to what Nirvana got. Yeah, Smells Like Teen Spirit was a hit but it did not "explode" onto the scene and changed everything in pop music like VH1 and different Nirvana books like to say. It was a gradual thing. Things were already changing. Hair bands were already on their way out before Nirvana came. And Nirvana had as much impact as the other "grunge" bands. So, yes Nirvana had mainstream success because they had a pop hit but that doesn't make them any more important. Wow. That turned out longer than I thought so I'll cut it right here. Any thoughts, opinions, arguments?
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