UM in your dreams?

[crystaldawn]

Does anyone else sometimes dream about UM stories? I'm the type of person if I've thought about something enough the day before, I'll dream about it at night. A lot of times I watch my UM tapes right before I go to bed and sometimes they seep into my subconscious. A few nights ago for some strange reason I dreamed about the Dottie Caylor disappearance (she was the one that had agorophobia and was having trouble in her marriage) and I haven't watched that episode lately! Her husband was very memorable in that segment because he didn't act like he cared that she was missing and talked about how rough she had made his life when she disappeared! I found a story on the net about it and it said he moved away within days of her disappearance. It also said he first told the police he drove her to the station she went missing from, then later changed his story and said she must have driven herself. I wasn't sure at first but now I think he "made her disappear".

Does anyone else have dreams about UM stories?

[dynoguy88]

Oh yes, I have had a ton.

Back when the show was on NBC and they showed the story about a serial rapest that raped 3 of 4 women over the Christmas Holiday season in, I think it was Raytown, Missouri - I had a dream that very night that I stopped at a rest stop with a friend of mine along some highway, and when I went into the bathroom, the rapest was washing his hands in the sink.

Also, I've had about 3 dreams over the last couple years that Mark and Debbie Baskin were finally reunited with their children Kristi and Bobby while their rotten parents, the Maples, were hauled off to jail. 1 dream involved them reuniting in an airport, another dream involved me watching a story of their reunion on the news and third dream involved me going to a big party at their house to apparently celebrate the reunion. Of course, this story always got to me so I'm not surprised that I've had a few dreams about it. Still breaks my heart that this story isn't solved.

[crookshanks]

Yes I have! I can't remember them all though, I look in my diary and post them then.

[gaf]

I had a dream about Kristi and Bobby Baskin last night! Strange. In my dream I was just watching that segment. The update music was almost the same, but freakier. It woke me up. Also, when I watch that segment awake, I never look at the computer-enhanced pictures of them, but in my dream I couldn't cover them up. They were very scary.

I wonder if those evil grandparents will ever let those kids go quietly, or will they let them go at all? Both of the kids are adults now. Surely they still have memories of their parents. What a sad case.

[dynoguy88]

I couldn't agree more, gaf. The case is so sad. Today, Kristi would be 23 (same age as me) and Bobby 22.

It boggles my mind that this elderly couple as been able to avoid capture for 15 years. You would think with all the posters, all the sightings, the FBI working it, even the Baskin's going on TV themselves - that they would have been spotted some place, but no.

Yes, Kristi and Bobby no doubt, have many memories of their parents but the Maple's have probably destroyed most of them forever trying to make them out to be monsters. My theory, as I have stated before, is that right away when the Maple's took the children into hiding, they told them that their parents had died. If they think that their parents are dead, they would have no reason to go looking for them some day. Either that, or the Maple's have filled their heads with so many lies that they won't WANT to go looking for their parents ever again.

With them being able to hide so well the last 15 years, I'm afraid the only way that the children will find out all the dirty secrets about their evil grandparents, the fact that they were in fact, kidnapped, is for one of them to sit down some day and see their story on lifetime. But how likely is it that they choose to watch the right show on the right day? Until then, they'll never know that their grandparents are the bad guys here.

I don't buy the Maple's threats about killing the kids in the slightest. They only said that to scare the Baskin's into dropping their search - in my opinion.

The Maple's have been wanted by the FBI since they kidnapped the kids in 1989. I'd hate to think that they both die before getting what they truly deserve for all the pain they have caused - jail time! Oh well, there's nothing to do but wait and hope.

I do feel really good that I wrote the Baskin's last year letting them know that I am praying for them. I think they have been through enough pain and it needs to stop.

[gaf]

Yeah, at the end of last year I prayed that the most gut-wrenching UM cases would be solved in the new year. I hope it works, but that's something I can't control.

These two are of age to be emancipated adults. But considering how controling the Maples are, would they let them live their own lives? How did they explain to the kids why they have to go under assumed names? If the kids wanted to move to another part of the country, I can't imagine that would go over well. Surely one day the kids would rebel against these insane grandparents. But how would the grandparents react?

I'd also like to know what kind of parents the Maples were to their daughter as she was growing up. These are questions I've always wondered about.

[dynoguy88]

You bring up an interesting point, gaf. Wondering what kind of parents the Maple's were as Debbie was growing up. But don't forget, the Unsolved Mysteries segment said that the Maple's had 3 daughters of their own (that's why they were overjoyed when they had a grandson born, Bobby.) So thinking about, when they kidnapped the children, they not only left Debbie for good, they also left their other two daughters for good. They left their entire family behind so they could kidnap 2 of their grandchildren - all because they wanted to raise them themselves.

What makes this case extra weird is that a grandma and grandpa are the culprits. Normally when I think of grandparents, I think of lots of love, lots of spoiling and lots of great memories. Not going to a judges chamber accusing your daughter and son-in-law of child molestation, taking them to court and then kidnapping your grandkids so you can raise them yourself.

[crystaldawn]

I often wondered what side the other two sisters were on. It seems obvious that would be on Mark & Debbie's, but she made the mention "and I don't have a family anymore". The mother seems very controlling and manipulative and maybe they got to the other sisters too. It would be interesting to know if the grandparents have ever contacted the other two sisters. Also it mentioned that the Maples had mailed a letter to the PD while they were on the run. It would be interesting to read it.

Lastly, I think the mother was mad at Debbie and Mark for moving away to Louisville with her grandchildren and this was her way of getting back. It would be wonderful if they could be found, them being adults if they found out what their grandparents had robbed them of, they would never want to see them again and reunite with their parents.

[gaf]

It's been so long since I saw this story that I'd forgotten a lot of the things that were mentioned in the last two posts.

OK, so when Christi and Bobby want to have families of their own, what will the grandparents do then? Steal their kids? Would they even let Christi and Bobby leave?

I can't remember, but was Marvin Maple psycho too, or was he under his wife's control? As I remember, Sandra Maple was the driving force behind most of what happened. Is that right?

[crystaldawn]

It didn't really say. All I remember them saying about the dad was that he perjured himself when he was testifying at the custody hearing. I can't imagine Marvin & Sandra have a very happy marriage because I remember Robert Stack saying that they may have split up and each taken a child to avoid being caught.

[dynoguy88]

gaf -

Here is a summary for extra details you might have forgotten from the case. (I've seen it a million times so I'll write everything I can remember)

Mark and Debbie Baskin had 3 children - Kristi, Bobby and Michael. All of them were born in Murfreesboro, Tennessee. That is where the Maple's lived. Sandra and Marvin Maple were Debbie's parents. The Maples also had 2 other daughters. (I'm pretty sure that's where the Baskin's lived as well or least they lived very close.) As his young family grew, Mark decided he wanted to go back to school in Louisville, Kentucky to get his masters degree. The Baskin's realized they were going to be tight for money as they planned the move to Louisville while they looked for jobs so the Maple's offered to watch the kids over the summer to help them out. Michael went with his parents while Kristi and Bobby stayed in Murfreesboro with the Maple's. However, finding work in Louisville proved to be more difficult then they thought so Kristi and Bobby stayed with the Maple's all the way until Christmas. Over the Christmas holiday, the Baskin's told the Maples that it was time to take children back home with them. All of the sudden they got really angry and told Mark and Debbie that the kids were a part of their family now and that they couldn't do that to them. (This is where the Baskin's should have taken the children anyway in my opinion but they didn't for some reason. I guess they wanted to keep peace in the family so it wouldn't affect the children. They also probably didn't want to move the kids right in the middle of the school year.) They all kept in touch regularly, but very soon the Baskin's relationship with the Maple's went down hill and Mark and Debbie were no longer allowed to stay at their house while visiting their children.

Spring time came and the Baskin's came into town for another visit with the kids. They went to the park and took pictures and had a great time. Kristi even took Debbie aside and told her that "Grandma is not you, mommy. I really miss you." Debbie assured her that the family would all be back together in another 5 weeks after Kristi had started her achievement test. What the Baskin's didn't know during this memorable visit with the kids was that the Maple's were planning up a huge scheme. A few days later, the Maple's went into a judges chamber and tried to gain control of the kids. They made up a whole bunch of lies about the Baskin's saying they were part of a satanic cult. They also claimed that Mark and Debbie had molested Bobby in their hotel room (when if fact, the whole family was out having a great time together in the park.) Despite the fact that the Maple's had no proof of their claims and despite the fact that he never spoke with the children or the Baskin's, the judge awarded temporary custody of the children to the Maples. For some odd reason, the judge didn't seem to care about the 3rd child, Michael, and the Baskin's retained custody of him.

Not long after, the Maple's and Baskin's were in court and the court room judge left Kristi and Bobby in the care of the Maple's until an investigation into the molestation charges was finished. Police detectives talked to the children and the kids confirmed what the Maple's had said but they did it in such a way that it seemed they had been coached. It was as if they were lead to say things that wouldn't come out of the mouth of a 9 year old kid. Police detectives recommended that Kristi and Bobby be returned to their parents because they could easily tell that the Maple's had been coaching them to lie. They also said that there simply wasn't any evidence that the children had been abused in any way.

During all of this, Mark and Debbie continously told police that that they were afraid that the Maple's might run off with the kids but their concerns were ignored and never taken seriously.

Finally, the kids were scheduled to be reunited with their parents, but a couple weeks before they were to be reuntied, the Maples took the children and haven't been seen since.

Debbie's statement at the end of the segment really broke my heart, this is what she said -

"You get up every morning and you think perhaps this will be the day that our FBI agent will call or somebody will call and tell you that we have found the kids. And then it doesn't happen. And you have a little boy that will go to bed at night and say, "Please don't let Grandma and Grandpa come and steel me too." I don't have a family anymore. And I don't know if they are alive or if they are dead. They have threatened to kill the kids before they restore them so it's fear, it's constant fear. Sometimes when people ask me how many children I have, I want to say Michael, so I don't have to even deal with it. But, it's always there; the fact that my parents have stolen my children. It wasn't good enough just to kidnap them, they had to destroy any love the children had for me by making them think I was some kind of a monster."

[dynoguy88]

Also, here is an article that written about the case from a couple years ago. I fount it on some web site -

MURFREESBORO, Tenn. (AP) -- The agonizing wait continues for Mark and Debbie Baskin, whose two oldest children were kidnapped by her parents nine years ago. There have been few solid leads since Christi Baskin, now 17, and Bobby Baskin, now 16, were taken by Marvin and Sandra Maple of Murfreesboro.
Their disappearance came near the end of a nasty custody battle. The Maples claimed their daughter and son-in-law were members of a satanic cult that practiced animal sacrifices and bizarre sexual rituals. Investigators found no evidence the children were abused. The grandparents, who had been awarded temporary custody of the youngsters, fled about a week before the Baskins were to have regained custody. "We don't know so many things, not the least of which is where they are right now," said Mrs. Baskin, who lives with her husband in Barbourville, Ky. Even though the Maples told investigators the Baskins abused the children, the youngsters never corroborated the accusations. An attorney in the case said the youngsters told incredible tales that were not believable. "The things they were describing were fantastical. And each time I talked to them it got worse and worse," said Karen Hornsby, an attorney who was appointed to represent the children in the custody battle. Sgt. Anita Flagg of the Murfreesboro Police Department said she often is reminded of the case. "There doesn't come a time when I'll be out in the public, where there's a large group of people, and someone will ask me, 'What about those kids? Have they been found yet?" Flagg told The Tennessean. "That case still sticks with people. It was just an unusual one." Marvin Maple is now 62 and his wife is 60. Occasionally, FBI agents will call the couple to say they are working on a tip. The TV show "Unsolved Mysteries" featured the case in 1990. There is sketchy evidence to suggest the Maples and their grandchildren disappeared with help from an Atlanta-based "underground railroad" that hides children who allegedly have been abused. Eight years ago, Christi and Bobby were believed spotted at an apartment complex in California. But the occupants had moved by the time investigators arrived. "For our FBI agent's benefit, it's extremely difficult to work a case when you don't have any leads, or the leads are nine years old," Mrs. Baskin said. Mark Baskin, a one-time student at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky., withdrew from the seminary after the kidnapping and took a job as an insurance salesman. The couple moved to Barbourville with their remaining son, Michael, now 15. "People ask us how can we go on knowing that our children are missing, and we say we don't have a choice," Mrs. Baskin said. "Life goes on. We have to continue."

Here are some posters of them with updated (and less freaky looking) computerized pictures. For some reason, they haven't shown what the Maples might look like now 15 years later.

http://www.carla-online.com/mk/TN/721027.html

http://doenetwork.bravepages.com/361dmtn.html

[gaf]

Thanks for the info. I remembered last night the last time I watched that segment, probably in the late 90s. It was the last segment of the show, and afterwards I went down to my basement to do some exercise. But I kept hearing that update music in my head and I had to go back upstairs because I got too creeped out. That case shouldn't be scary--it's more sad than scary--but that didn't stop UM from making it so.

I didn't realize that the grandparents may have split up and taken one grandchild apiece. So in addition to being separated from their parents the kids are now possibly separated from each other. All because their grandparents claim to love them so much. What's even worse, in my opinion, is that these "grandparents" are fairly young and probably still have quite a few years left to inflict damage.

[Mr. Roboto]

I once had a strange UM dream! Even though I can't remember it well, here's what happened. Some middle aged woman (40's-50's) dissapeared. She had short brown curly hair. Unfortunatly, they found her dead in a desert a few days later. A sketch was even shown in my dream!



About the Maples' case, I saw that a few months ago. The music for the update was taken from the "Son of Sam" case, and though it was used very effectively in that case, it sounded much more scarier. Maybe it was just because those creepy computerized enhancements and pool pictures along with Stack's voice (he seemed paniced). It's just part of that magic crepiness that UM adds to most of their cases...

[wiseguy182]

Well I usually don't dream about UM, but I had one today.

I dreamt I was going to the state of Georgia to interview the woman who dreamt about Terresita Basa (that's weird isn't it? a dream about a dream!, and this didn't even happen in Geogia, but then again dreams aren't usually logical).

Anyways, I was pretty primed for this as I figured a UM interview would be pretty exclusive for the forum. I asked her a question, and she gave the longest answer, it seemed to go on for about an hour. I asked her a few more questions, and she gave some short replies, and started hinting that it was getting late and I'd better be on my way, so I took my cue and left.

Weird, just thought I would share that with y'all.