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Elaine Benes · 12-10-2003, 04:26 PM

I just saw the pilot episode and I never heard Jerry refer to Kramer as Kessler. Am I missing it or was he really called Kramer the entire show?

Maestro · 12-10-2003, 04:46 PM

I think he does in the 1st scene in 5A, when K reveals Met game results blowing Jerry's tape viewing.
Other than that he was called Kramer the whole time.
Just a little inconsistancy, because as we are discussing in The Betrayal, 11 years back when he 1st moves in, J calls him Kessler, & K corrects him to Kramer.

Word has it that when the pilot (001 Good News, Bad News) was readying to air, they still weren't sure what they were going to call K in the show and the TV guide listed him as Kessler.
Kind of like in the ep 63/64 The Pilot when Kramer says they can't use his name.

In 160 The Blood, Morty & Helen were in town for old Marvin Kessler's funeral. I think he was from Jerry's building.

This is all one for your insider's thread

It was a inside joke about which name to use, then they refer back to it later. Good stuff.

Brian Damage · 12-10-2003, 07:19 PM

He must've said it because why would Jerry tie that in to the Betrayal?

Maestro · 12-15-2003, 01:59 PM

I stand corrected re: the 1st TV Guide listing of K-man.
I just saw this on Mike's(TheNewsGuy) site, a pretty reliable source:

>>>In the TV Guide entry for this episode, his character is credited as Hoffman. I assume that this is the way it appeared in the script somewhere along the way. There were probably a number of name changes for this character, while Kenny Kramer was deciding whether or not his name could be used.<<<

Maestro · 01-14-2004, 12:52 PM

-old thread/new thought-

I was thinking about 137 The Bizzarro Jerry one of the other threads...
Remember Kramer's bizzarro world counterpart;
KEVIN: "Yeah! Hey - hey guys! Elaine, sit down. These are a couple of my friends. Uh, this is Gene... and this guy, we... just call "Feldman!"

If they wanted to be really trick & insider, in 137 they should have named the bizzarro kramer Hoffman (see my last post). Only full seinGeeks would know and 'Hoffman' would have worked great.

sinatrastar · 01-14-2004, 01:49 PM

You may have been the only one to get the Hoffman connection

I wondered why they gave the Kramer opposite a Newman sounding name (Feldman) and the Newman opposite a more Kramer-like name (Fargus).

12-10-2003, 04:26 PM	#1
Elaine Benes Vixxxen Senior Member Join Date: Oct 23, 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 1,333	Kessler to Kramer I just saw the pilot episode and I never heard Jerry refer to Kramer as Kessler. Am I missing it or was he really called Kramer the entire show?

12-10-2003, 04:46 PM	#2
Maestro Hipster Dufus Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2002 Location: Below the equator Posts: 2,905	I think he does in the 1st scene in 5A, when K reveals Met game results blowing Jerry's tape viewing. Other than that he was called Kramer the whole time. Just a little inconsistancy, because as we are discussing in The Betrayal, 11 years back when he 1st moves in, J calls him Kessler, & K corrects him to Kramer. Word has it that when the pilot (001 Good News, Bad News) was readying to air, they still weren't sure what they were going to call K in the show and the TV guide listed him as Kessler. Kind of like in the ep 63/64 The Pilot when Kramer says they can't use his name. In 160 The Blood, Morty & Helen were in town for old Marvin Kessler's funeral. I think he was from Jerry's building. This is all one for your insider's thread It was a inside joke about which name to use, then they refer back to it later. Good stuff.
	Last edited by Maestro; 12-10-2003 at 04:57 PM.

01-14-2004, 12:52 PM	#5
Maestro Hipster Dufus Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2002 Location: Below the equator Posts: 2,905	K-Man's name: -old thread/new thought- I was thinking about 137 The Bizzarro Jerry one of the other threads... Remember Kramer's bizzarro world counterpart; KEVIN: "Yeah! Hey - hey guys! Elaine, sit down. These are a couple of my friends. Uh, this is Gene... and this guy, we... just call "Feldman!" If they wanted to be really trick & insider, in 137 they should have named the bizzarro kramer Hoffman (see my last post). Only full seinGeeks would know and 'Hoffman' would have worked great.

12-10-2003, 07:19 PM	#3
Brian Damage I'm Rich Bitch Forum Icon Join Date: Feb 03, 2002 Location: What Ain't No Country I Ever Heard Of...They Speak English in What? Posts: 63,107	He must've said it because why would Jerry tie that in to the Betrayal?

12-15-2003, 01:59 PM	#4
Maestro Hipster Dufus Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2002 Location: Below the equator Posts: 2,905	I stand corrected re: the 1st TV Guide listing of K-man. I just saw this on Mike's(TheNewsGuy) site, a pretty reliable source: >>>In the TV Guide entry for this episode, his character is credited as Hoffman. I assume that this is the way it appeared in the script somewhere along the way. There were probably a number of name changes for this character, while Kenny Kramer was deciding whether or not his name could be used.<<<

01-14-2004, 01:49 PM	#6
sinatrastar Indian Summer Forum Veteran Join Date: Jul 22, 2003 Location: 78 W 86th St. Apt 3E Posts: 6,027	You may have been the only one to get the Hoffman connection I wondered why they gave the Kramer opposite a Newman sounding name (Feldman) and the Newman opposite a more Kramer-like name (Fargus).