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C_ME · 11-04-2003, 06:58 AM

that the character Ricky Ricardo changed drastically by the second season. In the beginning, he treated Lucy more like an equal and the two looked like young lovebirds. Afterwards, he had 'matured' and became more authoritative, treating Lucy more like his child rather than his wife. It seems like he respected Little Ricky more than he did Lucy. Why do you think the writers did this?

Mickey · 11-04-2003, 07:05 AM

I've never noticed Ricky treating Lucy like a child, excepting occasionally for when she's acting like one. I certainly never felt that he 'respected' little Ricky more. After all, little Ricky was hardly ever there! If the writers did as you suggest then I would imagine it was for comedy potential - certainly no hidden agendas about women's roles. But I think you're imagining things!

SPLAIN · 11-04-2003, 11:00 AM

Jess Oppenheimer came from Baby Snooks with Fanny Brice and wanted the father daughter relationship to illicit comedic possibilities. Also the reason fro the spanking, but please dun't go there!

Kazza · 11-04-2003, 11:44 AM

They sometimes had that 'father- daughter' relationship which to me was a little

as was LUCY calling RICKY "SIR"...that's aggravating. I couldn't see Ricky as a father figure or calling him 'SIR' everytime I was trying to hide something

SPLAIN · 11-04-2003, 12:18 PM

50 years ago, there was a lot of that type of nonsense, although you have to admit that hearing her say Yes Sir is funnier than yes dear!

Kazza · 11-04-2003, 12:38 PM

I dunt think it's funny CLAUDE because it puts the woman as submisive and unintelligent and naive. Dont tell me that every woman in the 50's was like that.Even though I clearly understand it was part of her character and it's supposed to make me laugh

Mickey · 11-04-2003, 12:58 PM

When she calls Desi 'sir' it's funny. It always sounds like a joke. Jeez, if she was honestly calling him sir, and honestly thinking of him as her lord and master, nobody would have found it funny even in the nineteen fifties!

Stop taking it all so seriously!

Kazza · 11-04-2003, 01:05 PM

Didn't she had a bracelet made by DESI that said something like" My name is so and so in case Im lost return me to my master Desi ARNAZ?

Im not taking it seriously but as a woman it's my responsability

SPLAIN · 11-04-2003, 02:02 PM

Then why are you sitting at home typing on a Lucy board, go out and get a job! LOL! It's your duty as a modern woman! LOL! Thank you Mickey, for once we totally agree. Why do people not realize that the show was done 50 years ago and stop analyzing everything to death. Amazing but true, that countries like Saudi Arabia banned the show because she wasn't suserviant enough to her hubby! At least tv shows have evolved since then, in Saudi Arabia, they should playe the show now because they think they still are in the 50's, they just don't realize they look like they're in the 1850's!

MagsLovesLucy · 11-04-2003, 02:22 PM

I agree with Claude and Mickey. I think we're overanalyzing the situation, and looking at it from a modern point of view. That was 50 years ago. And, like it has been said, it was written to be funny. If the writers actually wrote all the "Yes sirs" seriously, I'm sure no one would think it was funny. Also, if there was really some degrading message towards women in there, I'm sure Lucy herself would have something to say about it. But to my knowledge, she didn't...so obviously she thought it was all for fun, too.

Lodee · 11-04-2003, 02:36 PM

Yeah, I agree too, I don't think saying Sir makes you look unintellegent. It was just supposed to be funny.

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After all, little Ricky was hardly ever there!

and where the heck was he anyway? He was the quietest baby I ever saw! Stayed in his room 95% of the time.

SPLAIN · 11-04-2003, 02:56 PM

Don't get Dawsongirl started on that again, it's the comedy thing again, not meant to be REAL LIFE! Oh and Lucy always prided herself on the fact that she taught Desi a lot about women, and although she was far from a woman's libber, she was way ahead of her time and never let social conventions get in the way, she did what she wanted all her life and said about herself that she was always so liberated that it wasn't funny!

Kazza · 11-04-2003, 03:05 PM

Then forgive me for my lack of humor and over analysis to the matter. I just don't find the point of her calling him SIR; she could've said 'hun' or whatever else. I just stated my point of view and rest my case.

Lodee · 11-04-2003, 03:29 PM

Hey Desilover, Seems like the spanking would bother you more, though. JMO

Kazza · 11-04-2003, 03:33 PM

I would say they do to a certain extent and the same level

11-04-2003, 06:58 AM	#1
C_ME Member Frequent Poster Join Date: May 08, 2003 Posts: 118	Did anyone notice...? that the character Ricky Ricardo changed drastically by the second season. In the beginning, he treated Lucy more like an equal and the two looked like young lovebirds. Afterwards, he had 'matured' and became more authoritative, treating Lucy more like his child rather than his wife. It seems like he respected Little Ricky more than he did Lucy. Why do you think the writers did this?

11-04-2003, 07:05 AM	#2
Mickey Ranger Forum Regular Join Date: Oct 12, 2002 Location: The UK, and still finding Desi funnier than Lucy Posts: 960	I've never noticed Ricky treating Lucy like a child, excepting occasionally for when she's acting like one. I certainly never felt that he 'respected' little Ricky more. After all, little Ricky was hardly ever there! If the writers did as you suggest then I would imagine it was for comedy potential - certainly no hidden agendas about women's roles. But I think you're imagining things!

11-04-2003, 11:00 AM	#3
SPLAIN I Love Lucy Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 04, 2002 Location: MONTREAL, CANADA Posts: 4,563	Jess Oppenheimer came from Baby Snooks with Fanny Brice and wanted the father daughter relationship to illicit comedic possibilities. Also the reason fro the spanking, but please dun't go there!

11-04-2003, 11:44 AM	#4
Kazza Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 17, 2003 Posts: 3,244	They sometimes had that 'father- daughter' relationship which to me was a little as was LUCY calling RICKY "SIR"...that's aggravating. I couldn't see Ricky as a father figure or calling him 'SIR' everytime I was trying to hide something

11-04-2003, 12:18 PM	#5
SPLAIN I Love Lucy Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 04, 2002 Location: MONTREAL, CANADA Posts: 4,563	50 years ago, there was a lot of that type of nonsense, although you have to admit that hearing her say Yes Sir is funnier than yes dear!

11-04-2003, 12:38 PM	#6
Kazza Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 17, 2003 Posts: 3,244	I dunt think it's funny CLAUDE because it puts the woman as submisive and unintelligent and naive. Dont tell me that every woman in the 50's was like that.Even though I clearly understand it was part of her character and it's supposed to make me laugh

11-04-2003, 12:58 PM	#7
Mickey Ranger Forum Regular Join Date: Oct 12, 2002 Location: The UK, and still finding Desi funnier than Lucy Posts: 960	When she calls Desi 'sir' it's funny. It always sounds like a joke. Jeez, if she was honestly calling him sir, and honestly thinking of him as her lord and master, nobody would have found it funny even in the nineteen fifties! Stop taking it all so seriously!

11-04-2003, 01:05 PM	#8
Kazza Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 17, 2003 Posts: 3,244	Didn't she had a bracelet made by DESI that said something like" My name is so and so in case Im lost return me to my master Desi ARNAZ? Im not taking it seriously but as a woman it's my responsability

11-04-2003, 02:02 PM	#9
SPLAIN I Love Lucy Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 04, 2002 Location: MONTREAL, CANADA Posts: 4,563	Then why are you sitting at home typing on a Lucy board, go out and get a job! LOL! It's your duty as a modern woman! LOL! Thank you Mickey, for once we totally agree. Why do people not realize that the show was done 50 years ago and stop analyzing everything to death. Amazing but true, that countries like Saudi Arabia banned the show because she wasn't suserviant enough to her hubby! At least tv shows have evolved since then, in Saudi Arabia, they should playe the show now because they think they still are in the 50's, they just don't realize they look like they're in the 1850's!

11-04-2003, 02:22 PM	#10
MagsLovesLucy For being a friend.. Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 13, 2003 Posts: 307	I agree with Claude and Mickey. I think we're overanalyzing the situation, and looking at it from a modern point of view. That was 50 years ago. And, like it has been said, it was written to be funny. If the writers actually wrote all the "Yes sirs" seriously, I'm sure no one would think it was funny. Also, if there was really some degrading message towards women in there, I'm sure Lucy herself would have something to say about it. But to my knowledge, she didn't...so obviously she thought it was all for fun, too.

11-04-2003, 02:56 PM	#12
SPLAIN I Love Lucy Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 04, 2002 Location: MONTREAL, CANADA Posts: 4,563	Don't get Dawsongirl started on that again, it's the comedy thing again, not meant to be REAL LIFE! Oh and Lucy always prided herself on the fact that she taught Desi a lot about women, and although she was far from a woman's libber, she was way ahead of her time and never let social conventions get in the way, she did what she wanted all her life and said about herself that she was always so liberated that it wasn't funny!

11-04-2003, 03:05 PM	#13
Kazza Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 17, 2003 Posts: 3,244	Then forgive me for my lack of humor and over analysis to the matter. I just don't find the point of her calling him SIR; she could've said 'hun' or whatever else. I just stated my point of view and rest my case.

11-04-2003, 03:29 PM	#14
Lodee Member Senior Member Join Date: Jun 12, 2003 Posts: 1,562	Hey Desilover, Seems like the spanking would bother you more, though. JMO

11-04-2003, 03:33 PM	#15
Kazza Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 17, 2003 Posts: 3,244	I would say they do to a certain extent and the same level