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Maestro · 10-29-2003, 06:27 PM

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Episode 164 - The Betrayal
pc: 908, season 9, episode 8
Broadcast date: November 20, 1997

Before Memento, there was The Betrayal.
I think they gave the backwards idea a pretty good seinfeld treatment. The episode even opened with that 'Castle Rock' productions screen that is at the very end of most episodes, it had some good tie ins and even went back to Jer moving in to his apartment, meeting Kramer and the epic telling him of "We're neighbors. What's mine is yours." There was Kramer's [obvious] growing lolly pop gag and a bunch of good stuff.

The Sein is generally smart comedy, but you need to pay even greater attention to detail in this one, some times the punch line comes many scenes after the set up.
Seems I'm always saying this, but The Betrayal makes my top 10 list. It's really thick and a must see.

Andy Ackerman won the Director's Guild of America Award for this episode.

Did you like it?
Dislike it?
Just another epi?
Think it sux?
Think Maestro should stick to his clip shows

?

Does anyone have any literary knowledge??? Wasn't this backwards thing done by Shakespeare???

Did you like Memento?

Discuss:

TheDrake · 10-29-2003, 06:34 PM

The Complete Works of William Shakespeare (Abridged) has a backwards play I think but this is a modern comedy troupe that pusts on a show.

Maestro · 10-29-2003, 06:36 PM

ya, they do like all 37 plays in "X" minutes.....
I saw something about that.

Any comments on the epi Drake? I meant to put in a poll, but I blew it & those are genrally lame any-hoo.

Elaine Benes · 10-29-2003, 06:47 PM

OMG I loved Memento!

sinatrastar · 10-29-2003, 07:32 PM

I am confused, what is memento? I guess I am out of it, Im assuming that is not Sein related. As to the episode, it is great. It most certainly requires more than 1 viewing to take it all in. Susan came back to life!!!!! And the first Kramer!!!! Both geat ideas. Top 10, probably, maybe we need to come up with a board top 10 Maestro, survivor type elimination after agreeing on a top 25 or so?

Brian Damage · 10-29-2003, 07:56 PM

It's a movie that is played out backwards just like The Betrayal.

sinatrastar · 10-29-2003, 08:34 PM

Ok, now Im getting it.

KnightFalls · 10-29-2003, 11:38 PM

It was a bizarre story line, but I liked it. Top 25% maybe.

Maestro · 12-10-2003, 11:12 AM

Elaine, so the backwards thing didn't do it for ya?

Talk to me after you watch a couple of times, your opinion may change.

It was a significant episode that has a place in the sein show annals. I found it pretty clever and it stayed seinfeld like.

Didn't you even like the very end, when J is moving to 5A?
I like how the ep started with the Castle Rock logo that is usually shown rigfht at the end.

Elaine Benes · 12-10-2003, 02:40 PM

I'm not saying I hated it, I just think it would've been better in my opinion if it went forwards not backwards.

Maestro · 12-10-2003, 02:56 PM

A lot of the little gags would not have been gags played forward, citing Kramer's growing sucker as the obvious example.

& I grinned at J & Nina:
"And they call it the World Wide Web. You can e-mail anyone!"
"What are you a scientist?"
"..........what the hell is email???"

Some of the amount of time listed before was funy, like Elaine's schnapps shots, how it was like seconds between to her next swills

It was if nothing else, different than your basic ep.
I'm trying to think of others that were way different than the norm. I guess it would be the few with no shots in 5A or maybe on different location; The Finales maybe, & the clip shows don't really count.

sinatrastar · 12-10-2003, 03:34 PM

Maybe the one in Florida with no Kramer or George.
Puerto Rico also was a little odd.

Maestro · 12-10-2003, 03:37 PM

Exactly... neither of those had any 5A scenes

(PR day had one quick shot, end of ep w NO ONE in the apt.)

...as I take us OT.... I guess I shouldn't derail the Betrayal discussion thread...

Maestro · 12-10-2003, 03:43 PM

[ELEVEN YEARS EARLIER]

K: Oh, hey, how you doing?

J: Oh, hi. I... I'm Jerry Seinfeld. I'm movin' in. I saw your name on the buzzer - You must be Kessler.

K: Uh, no. Actually, it's Kramer.

J: Oh.

K: Uh, you need any help, or..?

J: No, thanks. But I ordered a pizza. You want some of it?

K: Ah, no, no, no. I-I couldn't impose.

J: Why not? We're neighbors. What's mine is yours. (J's epic mistake!)

K: ...Ohh ....really?

Brian Damage · 12-10-2003, 03:45 PM

that was great.

10-29-2003, 06:27 PM	#1
Maestro Hipster Dufus Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2002 Location: Below the equator Posts: 2,905	a Memento to 'The Betrayal' (The Backwards Episode) thread * Episode 164 - The Betrayal pc: 908, season 9, episode 8 Broadcast date: November 20, 1997 Before Memento, there was The Betrayal. I think they gave the backwards idea a pretty good seinfeld treatment. The episode even opened with that 'Castle Rock' productions screen that is at the very end of most episodes, it had some good tie ins and even went back to Jer moving in to his apartment, meeting Kramer and the epic telling him of "We're neighbors. What's mine is yours." There was Kramer's [obvious] growing lolly pop gag and a bunch of good stuff. The Sein is generally smart comedy, but you need to pay even greater attention to detail in this one, some times the punch line comes many scenes after the set up. Seems I'm always saying this, but The Betrayal makes my top 10 list. It's really thick and a must see. Andy Ackerman won the Director's Guild of America Award for this episode. Did you like it? Dislike it? Just another epi? Think it sux? Think Maestro should stick to his clip shows ? Does anyone have any literary knowledge??? Wasn't this backwards thing done by Shakespeare??? Did you like Memento? Discuss:

10-29-2003, 06:34 PM	#2
TheDrake Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Sep 30, 2003 Posts: 79	The Complete Works of William Shakespeare (Abridged) has a backwards play I think but this is a modern comedy troupe that pusts on a show.

10-29-2003, 06:36 PM	#3
Maestro Hipster Dufus Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2002 Location: Below the equator Posts: 2,905	ya, they do like all 37 plays in "X" minutes..... I saw something about that. Any comments on the epi Drake? I meant to put in a poll, but I blew it & those are genrally lame any-hoo.

10-29-2003, 06:47 PM	#4
Elaine Benes Vixxxen Senior Member Join Date: Oct 23, 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 1,333	OMG I loved Memento!

10-29-2003, 07:32 PM	#5
sinatrastar Indian Summer Forum Veteran Join Date: Jul 22, 2003 Location: 78 W 86th St. Apt 3E Posts: 6,027	I am confused, what is memento? I guess I am out of it, Im assuming that is not Sein related. As to the episode, it is great. It most certainly requires more than 1 viewing to take it all in. Susan came back to life!!!!! And the first Kramer!!!! Both geat ideas. Top 10, probably, maybe we need to come up with a board top 10 Maestro, survivor type elimination after agreeing on a top 25 or so?

10-29-2003, 07:56 PM	#6
Brian Damage I'm Rich Bitch Forum Icon Join Date: Feb 03, 2002 Location: What Ain't No Country I Ever Heard Of...They Speak English in What? Posts: 63,107	It's a movie that is played out backwards just like The Betrayal.

10-29-2003, 08:34 PM	#7
sinatrastar Indian Summer Forum Veteran Join Date: Jul 22, 2003 Location: 78 W 86th St. Apt 3E Posts: 6,027	Ok, now Im getting it.

10-29-2003, 11:38 PM	#8
KnightFalls Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Sep 11, 2003 Location: las vegas Posts: 247	It was a bizarre story line, but I liked it. Top 25% maybe.

12-10-2003, 11:12 AM	#9
Maestro Hipster Dufus Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2002 Location: Below the equator Posts: 2,905	Elaine, so the backwards thing didn't do it for ya? Talk to me after you watch a couple of times, your opinion may change. It was a significant episode that has a place in the sein show annals. I found it pretty clever and it stayed seinfeld like. Didn't you even like the very end, when J is moving to 5A? I like how the ep started with the Castle Rock logo that is usually shown rigfht at the end.

12-10-2003, 02:40 PM	#10
Elaine Benes Vixxxen Senior Member Join Date: Oct 23, 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 1,333	I'm not saying I hated it, I just think it would've been better in my opinion if it went forwards not backwards.

12-10-2003, 02:56 PM	#11
Maestro Hipster Dufus Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2002 Location: Below the equator Posts: 2,905	A lot of the little gags would not have been gags played forward, citing Kramer's growing sucker as the obvious example. & I grinned at J & Nina: "And they call it the World Wide Web. You can e-mail anyone!" "What are you a scientist?" "..........what the hell is email???" Some of the amount of time listed before was funy, like Elaine's schnapps shots, how it was like seconds between to her next swills It was if nothing else, different than your basic ep. I'm trying to think of others that were way different than the norm. I guess it would be the few with no shots in 5A or maybe on different location; The Finales maybe, & the clip shows don't really count.

12-10-2003, 03:34 PM	#12
sinatrastar Indian Summer Forum Veteran Join Date: Jul 22, 2003 Location: 78 W 86th St. Apt 3E Posts: 6,027	Maybe the one in Florida with no Kramer or George. Puerto Rico also was a little odd.

12-10-2003, 03:37 PM	#13
Maestro Hipster Dufus Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2002 Location: Below the equator Posts: 2,905	Exactly... neither of those had any 5A scenes (PR day had one quick shot, end of ep w NO ONE in the apt.) ...as I take us OT.... I guess I shouldn't derail the Betrayal discussion thread...

12-10-2003, 03:43 PM	#14
Maestro Hipster Dufus Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2002 Location: Below the equator Posts: 2,905	[ELEVEN YEARS EARLIER] K: Oh, hey, how you doing? J: Oh, hi. I... I'm Jerry Seinfeld. I'm movin' in. I saw your name on the buzzer - You must be Kessler. K: Uh, no. Actually, it's Kramer. J: Oh. K: Uh, you need any help, or..? J: No, thanks. But I ordered a pizza. You want some of it? K: Ah, no, no, no. I-I couldn't impose. J: Why not? We're neighbors. What's mine is yours. (J's epic mistake!) K: ...Ohh ....really?

12-10-2003, 03:45 PM	#15
Brian Damage I'm Rich Bitch Forum Icon Join Date: Feb 03, 2002 Location: What Ain't No Country I Ever Heard Of...They Speak English in What? Posts: 63,107	that was great.