Sitcoms Online - Main Page / Message Boards - Main Page / News Blog / Photo Galleries / DVD Reviews / Buy TV Shows on DVD and Blu-ray

View Today's Active Threads (No Chit Chat/Chit Chat Only) / View New Posts (No Chit Chat/Chit Chat Only) / Mark All Boards Read / Chit Chat Board

Chit Chat - Main Board / Games / Movies / Music / Sports / Video Games / Chit Chat - Classic / View Latest Threads in All Chit Chat Boards


Sitcoms Online Message Boards - Forums  

Go Back   Sitcoms Online Message Boards - Forums > Chit Chat > Chit Chat - Sports
Register Community View Today's Active Threads (No CC/CC Only) Search Photo Galleries Calendar FAQ

Notices

SitcomsOnline.com News Blog Headlines Facebook X/Twitter Bluesky Threads Instagram YouTube RSS

Netflix's Tires Season 3 Debuts August 13; Family Guy Halloween and Holiday Specials Return Exclusively to Hulu This Year
Sitcom Stars on Talk Shows; This Week in Sitcoms (Week of July 27, 2026)
SitcomsOnline Digest: Paramount and Warner Merger on Hold; Paramount+ Cancels Crutch
Hulu's Desperate Housewives Wisteria Lane Block Party; Whitmer Thomas HBO Comedy Special
Fox's Stewie Announces Voice Cast; Clash of the Thundermans Premiere Date and Details, with Ariel Winter Joining the Cast
Nirvanna the Band the Show on Hulu & Hulu on Disney+; Netflix's Untold Returns August 25
First Look at Netflix's A Different World; Great American Family's 6th Annual Christmas Slate Begins in October with Laura Vandervoort Movie


New on DVD and Blu-ray

Abbott Elementary - The Complete Fourth Season (DVD) The Office - The Complete Series - Superfan Extended Episodes (Blu-ray) The Bill Dana Show - The Complete Series (DVD) I Love Lucy - The Complete Series - 75th Anniversary Edition (Blu-ray) Perfect Strangers - The Complete Series (Blu-ray)

01/20/26 - The Woody Woodpecker and Friends Golden Age Collection (Blu-ray)
01/27/26 - The New Fred and Barney Show - The Complete Series (Blu-ray)
02/11/26 - Tom and Jerry - The Complete CinemaScope Collection (Blu-ray)
03/24/26 - Looney Tunes Collector's Vault - Volume 2 (Blu-ray)
04/11/26 - Abbott Elementary - The Complete Fourth Season (DVD)
04/21/26 - Famous Studios Champion Collection (Blu-ray) (DVD)
05/19/26 - I Love Lucy - The Complete Series - 75th Anniversary Edition (DVD)
05/19/26 - Looney Tunes Cartoons - The Complete Series (Blu-ray) (DVD)
06/16/26 - Difficult People - The Complete Series (Blu-ray)
06/30/26 - Dastardly and Muttley in Their Flying Machines - The Complete Series (Blu-ray)
07/14/26 - The Office - The Complete Series - Superfan Extended Episodes (Blu-ray)
07/28/26 - The Bill Dana Show - The Complete Series (DVD)
07/28/26 - I Love Lucy - The Complete Series - 75th Anniversary Edition (Blu-ray)
08/25/26 - Perfect Strangers - The Complete Series (Blu-ray)
09/22/26 - Bridget Loves Bernie - The Complete Series (Blu-ray)

More Recent and Upcoming TV DVD and Blu-ray Releases / TV Shows on DVD, Blu-ray and Prime Video / DVD Reviews Archive


Search Sitcoms Online:



Donate

Please make a donation if you can help with Sitcoms Online's web hosting costs. Thanks for your support!

We receive a small commission on all DVDs, Blu-rays, CDs, Books, and any other items ordered through our Amazon.com links as an associate. Thanks for using our links for your online shopping!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-13-2003, 09:32 PM   #1
Brian
Member
Forum Celebrity
 
Join Date: Jun 23, 2001
Posts: 20,451
Lightbulb Banning the DH will curb melees, sportswriter says

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports...3sullivan.html

BOSTON – There is a double standard in October, and that's probably as it ought to be.

You don't want discipline to be the deciding factor in playoff games. You don't want Pedro Martinez ejected in Fenway Park at the risk of a riot. You don't want the heat of the moment to overshadow a whole season's worth of striving.

But if you don't want the postseason to devolve into "The Jerry Springer Show," as it did Saturday afternoon during the New York Yankees' 4-3 smackdown of the Boston Red Sox, you had better consider some corrective measures.

For example: Eliminating the designated hitter.

Force Pedro Martinez to bat, and his punklike pitching stops dead in its testosterone-laden tracks. Make Roger Clemens more accountable for his head-hunting, and maybe Mike Piazza doesn't get hit in the helmet.

If you want to fix a problem, you should start with the root cause, not the current culprit.

Ban the DH and you restore the reciprocal relationship of intimidation and retribution. You give baseball back its sense of symmetry; neatly summarized by the saying, "What goes around, comes around."

"It's what I don't like about the American League," Yankees pitching coach Mel Stottlemyre said following Saturday's flare-ups at Fenway Park. "Things like that don't happen in the National League."

The American League introduced the DH in 1973 to rebalance the power between the pitcher's mound and the batter's box. League owners wanted more oomph in their sagging sport, and finally adopted a measure Connie Mack first proposed before World War I.

Inevitably, more runs resulted. Replacing puny-hitting pitchers with legitimate bats served to sustain rallies and rendered the sacrifice bunt almost as obsolete as the kerosene lamp.

But among the unintended consequences of eliminating pitchers' plate appearances was that it created a kind of diplomatic immunity. Power pitchers like Martinez and Clemens have been emboldened to back hitters off the plate without fear of facing retaliatory brushbacks. Their teammates might get plunked periodically, but it's one thing for a pitcher to feel another's pain and quite another for him to feel another's fear at a fastball being flung at ear level.

Ban the DH and bench-clearing brawls will become as rare as hitters who choke up with two strikes. Ban the DH and maybe the sport gets spared the sorry spectacle of yesterday's rainout spinfest.

Commissioner Bud Selig asked management of both the Red Sox and Yankees to confine their comments concerning Saturday's game to the game itself. Yankees manager Joe Torre tried to honor that request, but the Red Sox called an unscheduled press conference, essentially for the purpose of refuting some of the Yankees' more reckless allegations of the previous day.

Yankee reliever Jeff Nelson's claim that he was physically provoked by Fenway grounds crew member Paul Williams before their ninth-inning bullpen melee, and that Williams had taunted the Yankees during a 1999 fracas, has been contradicted and could lead to criminal charges.

Yankees President Randy Levine's mistaken premise that Williams had entered the bullpen uninvited – it was Williams' normal post – prompted his comment that it was a "shameful disgrace" and the overwrought objection that "there's an attitude of lawlessness that's permeating everything that's going on here."

"I asked (Levine) to retract his statements – statements that I thought were irresponsible," Red Sox owner John Henry said, " . . . and he declined to do so."

There's no way of knowing whether the bullpen episode was a direct result of the tensions Martinez escalated with his fourth-inning pitch behind the head of the Yankees' Karim Garcia. But that's probably the way to bet. Certainly, that pitch was responsible for Don Zimmer's ridiculous attempt at vigilante justice.

If nothing else, banning the DH might help keep Zimmer's mottled scalp off camera. Frankly, that ought to be reason enough.
Brian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-13-2003, 09:37 PM   #2
TJL
Suburbanite Extrordinaire
Forum Star
 
TJL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 29, 2001
Location: New Jersey - the cradle of civilization
Posts: 16,588
Default

Nice article. Makes some good arguments for eliminating the DH.
__________________
"I think I'll stroll up to the front to see how the shooting's going..."
- Capt. Benjamin Franklin "Hawkeye" Pierce

Read my blogs!
http://centralparkamisguide.com/
http://dvdcriticscorner.com
Visit me on Facebook!http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=641138880
Hey, I do the tweet thing too!
http://twitter.com/TomLevier
My shop of handmade items!
http://www.etsy.com/shop/ColdGarageCreations
TJL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2003, 09:38 PM   #3
Kitt
James Dean
Forum Veteran
 
Kitt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 16, 2001
Location: California Dreamin'
Posts: 6,115
Default

I don't have a mountain of stats in front of me or even one sentence of stats, lol, in front of me But... I don't think that there is little if any truth in what the guy says. Bob Gibson, Don Drysdale are two examples of pitchers from days of old who would brush back or hit a batter at the drop of a hat. Lot's of pitchers over the years have been perfectly willing to do that even without a DH in their lineup.

When a pitcher does hit, brushback or intentionally throw at or near a batter the opposing pitcher will not waste his retaliation on that pitcher. He will throw at or brush back one of the opposing team's more threatening hitters.

I doubt that the stats over the years of baseball history, pre DH or in todays National league, will show that many pitchers have been hit or even thrown at. Brushing back the batter has been a part of the game since its infancy. Some pitchers have a reputation, earned or not, for being more wicked about it than others. None the less, they say in baseball that if a pitcher is not willing to claim the inside part of the plate by aggressively brushing back the batters then he's not long for the major leagues or will at least suffer a lack of success in the Bigs.
Kitt is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:44 AM.


Although the administrators and moderators of the Sitcoms Online Message Boards will attempt to keep all objectionable messages off this forum, it is impossible for us to review all messages. All messages express the views of the author, and neither the owners of the Sitcoms Online Message Boards, nor vBulletin Solutions Inc. (developers of vBulletin) will be held responsible for the content of any message. The owners of the Sitcoms Online Message Boards reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.