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Chocoholic · 09-15-2003, 02:05 PM

I can't stand to watch Joe in "The Customer is Usually Right". As a cashier myself, I cringe at the way he acted over two stinkin' quarters! He didn't even stop and consider the fact that he might have been wrong. (Because he's the customer and of course they're never wrong

) Then, to make matters even worse, he didn't even have the balls to go the woman's family and say he was wrong and apologize. I know it's just a TV show, but I see so many idiots like that in the grocery store I work at

Also, Antonio got on my nerves sometimes during the last two seasons. If you think your life sucks so much, then why aren't you doing something to try and improve your situation?

anywho · 09-15-2003, 07:36 PM

I can't stand Helen at the begining of the third season when she acts crazy and knocks down Joes office two times. I don't know why, but I can't stand Helen when she acts that way.

Krista2882 · 09-15-2003, 07:46 PM

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Originally posted by Snoopy
I can't stand to watch Joe in "The Customer is Usually Right". As a cashier myself, I cringe at the way he acted over two stinkin' quarters! He didn't even stop and consider the fact that he might have been wrong. (Because he's the customer and of course they're never wrong ) Then, to make matters even worse, he didn't even have the balls to go the woman's family and say he was wrong and apologize. I know it's just a TV show, but I see so many idiots like that in the grocery store I work at

I agree with you! That was the only time when I actualy disliked Joe. lol.

sometimes one of the characters does something just really annoying, and you just want to give them a swift kick. lol. like, in "Ladies Who Lunch", when Joe says to Helen, "yeah, you wish you over me. you wish you were ALL over me."- the way he says that makes me CRINGE. I wish Helen would have given him a kick to the groin at that moment because it just ticks me off so much. hahaha. but there have been moments like that for each of the characters sometime in the series...
but the episode you just mentioned is the epitome of a time when I actually disliked one of the characters, and it was for the whole episode. lol

pilotguy · 09-15-2003, 11:05 PM

VERY interesting topic!

There were specific moments when I disliked certain "Wings" characters:

1. When Antonio was treating "The Big Faced Girl" like garbage....He wouldn't take her out on real dates, but rather fed her his leftovers from the fridge and had her spend the evening watching him pay bills. This was NOT the romantic Antonio of earlier episodes who always talked of "the beautiful ladies".

2. When Helen was engaged to Davis, but spent the night with Joe...and then acted like nothing had happened as she ran to meet Davis in NYC the next morning while Joe was making her heart-shaped pancakes! Talk about acting like a BIMBO!

3. I often find myself disliking Joe during his marriage to Helen. Many times he takes her for granted and won't show her a nice time on a special occassion, but rather tries to take the cheap way out....and they hadn't even been married that LONG!

4. I REALLY disliked Alex Lambert in her first episode...what a miserable witch (and I COULD have called her WORSE)!
The show eventually softened the character, and I grew to like her better...but oh, that first "Alex" episode....BRRRRR!

5. I disliked Brian for a LONG time after his breakup with Alex...but not the "hating" kind of dislike, but rather the "annoyed" kind of dislike. As much as I've liked Brian in earlier (and later) seasons, during that "breakup" period, whenever he enters a scene, I find myself thinking, "Oh NO...Here comes that pathetic whiner again! Where can I HIDE?"

That's about it....Roy can be as rude and as mean as he wants...NOTHING that man does can shock me!

Krista2882 · 09-15-2003, 11:34 PM

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VERY interesting topic!

2. When Helen was engaged to Davis, but spent the night with Joe...and then acted like nothing had happened as she ran to meet Davis in NYC the next morning while Joe was making her heart-shaped pancakes! Talk about acting like a BIMBO!

ooohh yeah! I forgot about that. That annoyed me too. lol.

nantucket_wings · 09-16-2003, 08:34 AM

you kindof sound like Joe in your post anywho ...

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I can't stand Helen at the begining of the third season when she acts crazy and knocks down Joes office two times. I don't know why, but I can't stand Helen when she acts that way.

losthighway · 09-18-2003, 12:52 AM

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I can't stand Helen at the begining of the third season when she acts crazy and knocks down Joes office two times. I don't know why, but I can't stand Helen when she acts that way.

Dislike Helen? It’s....it’s.....it’s just not done.

Actually some of my favorite Helen moments are the beginning of season 3. I absolutely love the first 3 episodes of season 3 when Helen returns from New York and then Joe pays the consequences. But even though Helen was being mighty unfair it still made me laugh.

I can’t think of any examples where I disliked the characters.....even when they had their ups and downs it came across as “real” to me .....kind of like nobody is completely evil or completely good. That’s what gives characters more depth and makes them more interesting so they aren’t just card board cutout bores….but hey, I’m easy.

AgtSkye · 09-18-2003, 07:02 AM

I've never really hated any of the characters. I never cared much for Alex, and Casey was SUPER annoying...but that is pretty much it.

Anne

Krista2882 · 09-18-2003, 10:36 PM

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Dislike Helen? It’s....it’s.....it’s just not done.
.....even when they had their ups and downs it came across as “real” to me .....kind of like nobody is completely evil or completely good. That’s what gives characters more depth and makes them more interesting so they aren’t just card board cutout bores….but hey, I’m easy.

yeah, I agree! even with real people (as opposed to TV characters), they do things once in a while that just make you want to smack them, no matter if they're your best friend, or your or your brother, or your boyfriend.. or whoever. lol.
That's how it is with the characters on Wings- it could be your favorite character, but once in a while they do something that makes you mad or annoyed, or whatever.

losthighway · 09-19-2003, 02:19 AM

Indeed, great minds think......ah never mind.

But it's really true...friends, even really good friends can do unfeeling things or thoughtless things or mean things at times, and not even realize they are doing it…it’s just human nature, which helps to make the characters on Wings more real.

The Modfather · 09-19-2003, 09:44 AM

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Originally posted by anywho
I can't stand Helen at the begining of the third season when she acts crazy and knocks down Joes office two times. I don't know why, but I can't stand Helen when she acts that way.

I agree.

Janice · 09-19-2003, 01:25 PM

I'm new to Wings. It's not so much how Brian acts because I think he's a hoot, but they make references to how he ran off with Joe's fiancee.
Unless there's more to that story than I'm aware of, Brian is of questionable moral character in my eyes.
I don't hate him though. It's just sort of always in the back of my mind.

Chocoholic · 09-19-2003, 02:26 PM

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Originally posted by Janice
I'm new to Wings. It's not so much how Brian acts because I think he's a hoot, but they make references to how he ran off with Joe's fiancee.
Unless there's more to that story than I'm aware of, Brian is of questionable moral character in my eyes.
I don't hate him though. It's just sort of always in the back of my mind.

I think that deep down, Brian is a very nice, caring, moral guy. He just doesn't know how to show it very well. He does bend the rules a lot, but he'd never intentionally do anything to hurt anyone. He did learn his lesson when Carol (his wife and Joe's fiancee) ran off with another man.

losthighway · 09-19-2003, 06:50 PM

Hate to keep harping on this, but oh well, why not?

This is exactly why these characters work and why the show works, is because the characters are real, and true to life. Everybody has flaws, everybody makes mistakes and does things they regret. Nobody is perfect. When it comes to matters of the heart all of us have done stupid things at one time or another and it is something that is very difficult to control.

I’m not suggesting or saying if you fall in love with someone that you ignore the fact that they are dating your best friend or married or whatever situation that may exist. But I am saying, when it comes to matters of the heart, the heart can take over and the mind can be left behind. As I said before, Helen’s reaction to Joe worked for me because what she was really doing was showing her passion, her sincere passion for Joe and her pain of the loss of the relationship. Was it wise, was it the right thing to do? Of course not. She overreacted and did a wrong thing, and she admitted as much. But the passion was evident.

Same thing with Brian. We never got the entire story as to how that happened. And how he could do such a thing, but it is still “realistic” in that you can hurt somebody you care for deeply all in the name of love. Even a brother or best friend.

I’ve just gone through this type of a personal ordeal. I’ll try to make a long story short....My two best male friends had a similar experience. One was dating a woman he had dated a few years back and they started dating again. The other friend began to develop a friendship with the woman, and it blossomed into something where he had romantic feelings for the woman. And he made sincere advances towards her letting her know he cared for her. This incident has ruined the friendship between the two and put me in an awkward situation. But the point is, these things happen. I can tell you honestly my friend that made the advance made a horrible decision, and made a horrible mistake. But he is a good and decent person. He has strong morals. But sometimes we act on impulses and feelings that are very strong and very hard to resist. We error, sometimes in very bad ways, but it doesn't mean the person is a jerk or a cad, it means they are human.

But to come full circle on this…that is why these Wings characters are interesting and why at least I relate to them….they are not perfect, they do make mistakes, they are human and they come across as real to me.

Janice · 09-19-2003, 09:22 PM

You make some good points losthighway, and I agree that the characters on Wings are fallible and human.
However, I truly believe that someone who would do something like that to his own brother has a faulty moral compass. Some people have a stronger sense of what's right and wrong, and others take what they want at all costs. It doesn't make them monsters, but perhaps selfish among other things.
I realize things happen in life, but there are plenty of people who wouldn't do such a thing in a million years.
I know I never would. I'm not a babe in the woods either. I've seen and done a lot. I've known similar situations, but I believe the majority of people wouldn't take off with their brother's fiancee.

09-15-2003, 02:05 PM	#1
Chocoholic Member Forum Star Join Date: Dec 01, 2000 Location: Between a rock and a hard place. Posts: 11,235	Times when you hated a certain character. I can't stand to watch Joe in "The Customer is Usually Right". As a cashier myself, I cringe at the way he acted over two stinkin' quarters! He didn't even stop and consider the fact that he might have been wrong. (Because he's the customer and of course they're never wrong ) Then, to make matters even worse, he didn't even have the balls to go the woman's family and say he was wrong and apologize. I know it's just a TV show, but I see so many idiots like that in the grocery store I work at Also, Antonio got on my nerves sometimes during the last two seasons. If you think your life sucks so much, then why aren't you doing something to try and improve your situation?

09-18-2003, 07:02 AM	#8
AgtSkye Jedi knightess Frequent Poster Join Date: May 04, 2003 Location: a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away Posts: 185	I've never really hated any of the characters. I never cared much for Alex, and Casey was SUPER annoying...but that is pretty much it. Anne
	__________________ En það besta sem Guð hefur skapað er nýr dagur But the best thing God has created is a new day ~ Sigur Rós

09-15-2003, 07:36 PM	#2
anywho Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Aug 20, 2003 Posts: 12	I can't stand Helen at the begining of the third season when she acts crazy and knocks down Joes office two times. I don't know why, but I can't stand Helen when she acts that way.

09-15-2003, 11:05 PM	#4
pilotguy Member Senior Member Join Date: Apr 09, 2003 Posts: 1,305	VERY interesting topic! There were specific moments when I disliked certain "Wings" characters: 1. When Antonio was treating "The Big Faced Girl" like garbage....He wouldn't take her out on real dates, but rather fed her his leftovers from the fridge and had her spend the evening watching him pay bills. This was NOT the romantic Antonio of earlier episodes who always talked of "the beautiful ladies". 2. When Helen was engaged to Davis, but spent the night with Joe...and then acted like nothing had happened as she ran to meet Davis in NYC the next morning while Joe was making her heart-shaped pancakes! Talk about acting like a BIMBO! 3. I often find myself disliking Joe during his marriage to Helen. Many times he takes her for granted and won't show her a nice time on a special occassion, but rather tries to take the cheap way out....and they hadn't even been married that LONG! 4. I REALLY disliked Alex Lambert in her first episode...what a miserable witch (and I COULD have called her WORSE)! The show eventually softened the character, and I grew to like her better...but oh, that first "Alex" episode....BRRRRR! 5. I disliked Brian for a LONG time after his breakup with Alex...but not the "hating" kind of dislike, but rather the "annoyed" kind of dislike. As much as I've liked Brian in earlier (and later) seasons, during that "breakup" period, whenever he enters a scene, I find myself thinking, "Oh NO...Here comes that pathetic whiner again! Where can I HIDE?" That's about it....Roy can be as rude and as mean as he wants...NOTHING that man does can shock me!

09-19-2003, 02:19 AM	#10
losthighway Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Apr 14, 2003 Posts: 370	Indeed, great minds think......ah never mind. But it's really true...friends, even really good friends can do unfeeling things or thoughtless things or mean things at times, and not even realize they are doing it…it’s just human nature, which helps to make the characters on Wings more real.

09-19-2003, 01:25 PM	#12
Janice Retired Admin - Hollywood Swingin' Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 03, 2001 Location: Beantown Posts: 36,388	I'm new to Wings. It's not so much how Brian acts because I think he's a hoot, but they make references to how he ran off with Joe's fiancee. Unless there's more to that story than I'm aware of, Brian is of questionable moral character in my eyes. I don't hate him though. It's just sort of always in the back of my mind.

09-19-2003, 06:50 PM	#14
losthighway Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Apr 14, 2003 Posts: 370	Hate to keep harping on this, but oh well, why not? This is exactly why these characters work and why the show works, is because the characters are real, and true to life. Everybody has flaws, everybody makes mistakes and does things they regret. Nobody is perfect. When it comes to matters of the heart all of us have done stupid things at one time or another and it is something that is very difficult to control. I’m not suggesting or saying if you fall in love with someone that you ignore the fact that they are dating your best friend or married or whatever situation that may exist. But I am saying, when it comes to matters of the heart, the heart can take over and the mind can be left behind. As I said before, Helen’s reaction to Joe worked for me because what she was really doing was showing her passion, her sincere passion for Joe and her pain of the loss of the relationship. Was it wise, was it the right thing to do? Of course not. She overreacted and did a wrong thing, and she admitted as much. But the passion was evident. Same thing with Brian. We never got the entire story as to how that happened. And how he could do such a thing, but it is still “realistic” in that you can hurt somebody you care for deeply all in the name of love. Even a brother or best friend. I’ve just gone through this type of a personal ordeal. I’ll try to make a long story short....My two best male friends had a similar experience. One was dating a woman he had dated a few years back and they started dating again. The other friend began to develop a friendship with the woman, and it blossomed into something where he had romantic feelings for the woman. And he made sincere advances towards her letting her know he cared for her. This incident has ruined the friendship between the two and put me in an awkward situation. But the point is, these things happen. I can tell you honestly my friend that made the advance made a horrible decision, and made a horrible mistake. But he is a good and decent person. He has strong morals. But sometimes we act on impulses and feelings that are very strong and very hard to resist. We error, sometimes in very bad ways, but it doesn't mean the person is a jerk or a cad, it means they are human. But to come full circle on this…that is why these Wings characters are interesting and why at least I relate to them….they are not perfect, they do make mistakes, they are human and they come across as real to me.

09-19-2003, 09:22 PM	#15
Janice Retired Admin - Hollywood Swingin' Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 03, 2001 Location: Beantown Posts: 36,388	You make some good points losthighway, and I agree that the characters on Wings are fallible and human. However, I truly believe that someone who would do something like that to his own brother has a faulty moral compass. Some people have a stronger sense of what's right and wrong, and others take what they want at all costs. It doesn't make them monsters, but perhaps selfish among other things. I realize things happen in life, but there are plenty of people who wouldn't do such a thing in a million years. I know I never would. I'm not a babe in the woods either. I've seen and done a lot. I've known similar situations, but I believe the majority of people wouldn't take off with their brother's fiancee.