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hawaii five-o · 08-30-2003, 12:35 PM

When "Dallas" first started, it used to show Ray and Lucy going into the barn to fool around. A few years later, it was revealed that Ray was Jock's illegitimate son, and Lucy's uncle. Wouldn't this have been kind of a shock to both of them???

jayman75 · 08-31-2003, 12:24 AM

Oh well... JR had an affair with Sue Ellen's sister... Jenna went from Bobby to Ray... Cliff had an affair with Sue Ellen, which resulted in John Ross...

Welcome to Dallas!!!

hawaii five-o · 09-06-2003, 03:47 PM

But none of those couples were related by blood.

Mr. Television · 09-06-2003, 03:54 PM

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Originally posted by hawaii five-o
But none of those couples were related by blood.

After Ray was determined to be a Ewing, the show never mentioned the Ray-Lucy relationship again. I sort have wished they would have mentioned it, but incest didn't exist on tv during the 1980's.

arouet · 12-16-2004, 02:51 PM

it didn't bother me they did not mention it- after all, what would they say? It's strange, but in earlier times, men used to date their nieces at times and I guess people didn't think much of it- I know the philosopher Voltaire carried on with his neice and she was the last mate of his life but back then, royalty used to marry their sisters and brothers- they say it is one of the reasons the French royal line was nuts at one time- because they kept marrying their brothers and sisters and having crazy children.

I mean, no one held it against Ray and Lucy, they didn't know, but Ray was too old for Lucy and I think she was a minor at the time- he should have not been fooling around with her in the first place-

Mr. Television · 04-24-2005, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by arouet

it didn't bother me they did not mention it- after all, what would they say? It's strange, but in earlier times, men used to date their nieces at times and I guess people didn't think much of it- I know the philosopher Voltaire carried on with his neice and she was the last mate of his life but back then, royalty used to marry their sisters and brothers- they say it is one of the reasons the French royal line was nuts at one time- because they kept marrying their brothers and sisters and having crazy children.

I mean, no one held it against Ray and Lucy, they didn't know, but Ray was too old for Lucy and I think she was a minor at the time- he should have not been fooling around with her in the first place-

He had been hanging around with JR too long.

Later on after he parted company with JR his character became a goody two shoes.

dandelion wine · 05-01-2005, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jayman75

Oh well... JR had an affair with Sue Ellen's sister... Jenna went from Bobby to Ray... Cliff had an affair with Sue Ellen, which resulted in John Ross...

Welcome to Dallas!!!

That about sums it up, I think.

ThomasE · 06-09-2005, 09:39 AM

I remember on the True Hollywood story that the producers chose to just leave things as they were and not revisit them again. In a way, I can understand what they did. Can you imagine the controversial storylines? However, if I were Lucy, Ray, Pam or Bobby, I would have questioned that since these were the only four people that knew what was going on. Ray Krebbs in the beginning was a filthy, disgusting pervert screwing a seventeen year old little brat. Ray was still hung up on Pam while he and Lucy were up in the barn loft. Lucy would tell Ray to say Pam's name while he was "with Lucy". At first he was reluctant but slowly began to get into it. Later down the line, Ray became more of a sweet guy who had his ups and downs. Total character change from the one we were used to seeing from the mini series. He and JR would have one night stands together with women they didn't even know. Lucy would always be flirting with men in their 20's and 30's. Pam help set Lucy straight during the mini series eps. There was a whole lot of Drama at Southfork.

Ireneparalegal · 07-28-2005, 10:49 PM

John Ross was not the result of Sue Ellen and Cliff...it was assumed for a short time that he was the father

Furienna · 05-21-2008, 07:49 PM

I've heard that they even edited out the scenes with the Ray and Lucy relationship, because not even "Dallas" was ready for incest storylines yet at the time.

Ireneparalegal · 05-21-2008, 07:52 PM

DALLAS has always been shown intact. The Ray and Lucy storyline had to remain, there is no way they could edit that out without affecting the rest of the show's storylines.

Furienna · 05-21-2008, 07:56 PM

Wow... I must have misunderstood something. I don't remember the first seasons too clearly either, because it was a long time since I saw them.

Ireneparalegal · 05-21-2008, 07:58 PM

It happens.

I am like that right now with Different Strokes. Unless I see the episode, I can't recall the details.

Mr. Television · 05-21-2008, 08:06 PM

After Ray was revealed to be Jock's son they never ever mentioned the Ray-Lucy affair again. They hoped everyone forgot about that but they forgot one thing....syndication.

Furienna · 05-21-2008, 08:08 PM

I guess that was what I read, that they hoped people would forget about it.

08-30-2003, 12:35 PM	#1
hawaii five-o Book 'Em, Dano Senior Member Join Date: Jun 27, 2003 Location: At home, eating cereal straight out of the box Posts: 1,406	Ray and Lucy When "Dallas" first started, it used to show Ray and Lucy going into the barn to fool around. A few years later, it was revealed that Ray was Jock's illegitimate son, and Lucy's uncle. Wouldn't this have been kind of a shock to both of them???

08-31-2003, 12:24 AM	#2
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09-06-2003, 03:47 PM	#3
hawaii five-o Book 'Em, Dano Senior Member Join Date: Jun 27, 2003 Location: At home, eating cereal straight out of the box Posts: 1,406	But none of those couples were related by blood.

12-16-2004, 02:51 PM	#5
arouet Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Dec 16, 2004 Posts: 11	it didn't bother me they did not mention it- after all, what would they say? It's strange, but in earlier times, men used to date their nieces at times and I guess people didn't think much of it- I know the philosopher Voltaire carried on with his neice and she was the last mate of his life but back then, royalty used to marry their sisters and brothers- they say it is one of the reasons the French royal line was nuts at one time- because they kept marrying their brothers and sisters and having crazy children. I mean, no one held it against Ray and Lucy, they didn't know, but Ray was too old for Lucy and I think she was a minor at the time- he should have not been fooling around with her in the first place-

06-09-2005, 09:39 AM	#8
ThomasE Member Moderator Forum Fanatic Join Date: Apr 04, 2000 Location: New York, New York, U.S.A. Posts: 10,857	I remember on the True Hollywood story that the producers chose to just leave things as they were and not revisit them again. In a way, I can understand what they did. Can you imagine the controversial storylines? However, if I were Lucy, Ray, Pam or Bobby, I would have questioned that since these were the only four people that knew what was going on. Ray Krebbs in the beginning was a filthy, disgusting pervert screwing a seventeen year old little brat. Ray was still hung up on Pam while he and Lucy were up in the barn loft. Lucy would tell Ray to say Pam's name while he was "with Lucy". At first he was reluctant but slowly began to get into it. Later down the line, Ray became more of a sweet guy who had his ups and downs. Total character change from the one we were used to seeing from the mini series. He and JR would have one night stands together with women they didn't even know. Lucy would always be flirting with men in their 20's and 30's. Pam help set Lucy straight during the mini series eps. There was a whole lot of Drama at Southfork.

07-28-2005, 10:49 PM	#9
Ireneparalegal LEGAL SPICE ;) Forum Legend Join Date: Jul 25, 2005 Location: OXNARD, CA - WHERE THE DALLAS COWBOYS TRAIN & PRACTICE Posts: 38,691	John Ross was not the result of Sue Ellen and Cliff...it was assumed for a short time that he was the father

05-21-2008, 07:49 PM	#10
Furienna Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Oct 22, 2006 Location: Örnsköldsvik, Sweden Posts: 6,280	I've heard that they even edited out the scenes with the Ray and Lucy relationship, because not even "Dallas" was ready for incest storylines yet at the time.

05-21-2008, 07:52 PM	#11
Ireneparalegal LEGAL SPICE ;) Forum Legend Join Date: Jul 25, 2005 Location: OXNARD, CA - WHERE THE DALLAS COWBOYS TRAIN & PRACTICE Posts: 38,691	DALLAS has always been shown intact. The Ray and Lucy storyline had to remain, there is no way they could edit that out without affecting the rest of the show's storylines.

05-21-2008, 07:56 PM	#12
Furienna Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Oct 22, 2006 Location: Örnsköldsvik, Sweden Posts: 6,280	Wow... I must have misunderstood something. I don't remember the first seasons too clearly either, because it was a long time since I saw them.

05-21-2008, 07:58 PM	#13
Ireneparalegal LEGAL SPICE ;) Forum Legend Join Date: Jul 25, 2005 Location: OXNARD, CA - WHERE THE DALLAS COWBOYS TRAIN & PRACTICE Posts: 38,691	It happens. I am like that right now with Different Strokes. Unless I see the episode, I can't recall the details.

05-21-2008, 08:06 PM	#14
Mr. Television 23 Years at Sitcoms Online Forum Icon Join Date: Jun 06, 2003 Location: Somewhere you're Not Posts: 62,133	After Ray was revealed to be Jock's son they never ever mentioned the Ray-Lucy affair again. They hoped everyone forgot about that but they forgot one thing....syndication.

05-21-2008, 08:08 PM	#15
Furienna Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Oct 22, 2006 Location: Örnsköldsvik, Sweden Posts: 6,280	I guess that was what I read, that they hoped people would forget about it.