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trekkie · 08-03-2003, 12:40 AM

I apologize if this post may seem inapropriate, but I'm hoping to attract more people to this project. The link to the campaign flyer is located below this message:
"It is not myself I am thinking about, but it is the affect of what might happen to whatever is left that bothers me" -- Walt Disney
The "new" Disney Channel is ignoring the very principles they were founded under and is spitting on the Disney name as a whole.
The following comment is from a once proud Disney Channel viewer who has signed the official petition. They sum up our case perfectly:
"I live in an area where the Disney Channel is a premium channel. After
subscribing for nearly ten years, we un-subscribed in the fall of 1998 ...
Fall [of] 1998 was when I started college, so I had grown up with the Disney Channel but had lost interest with the changing program. Without me at home, my parents nixed the channel. Through the 'old' Disney Channel, I was introduced to wonderful old movies. It was on Disney that I first saw a lot of the Disney classics as well as Hollywood classics like the musicals of Rogers and Hammerstein. It used to be programming that my parents and I could watch together when I was younger. Now the only group your channel plays to is the 12 and under crowd. Shame on you! Disney is about family and once this channel was for family, now it's a commercial filled un-watchable channel for Disney fans. I might as well watch Nickelodeon or MTV and I don't have to pay extra."
If certain areas in this company ignore their principles, they stop the
Disney name from flourishing. Not just as a company. But also as a man. A pioneer. Walt Disney, to be precise. Whose philosophy in the Disney Company was always to entice people to visit all of their masterpieces by providing nothing but "High quality family entertainment." The company he built currently preaches about family, yet at the same time ignores the very aspects and principles of family entertainment upon which they were built.
When the Disney Channel began to ignore these ideals, they helped to stop the Disney name from flourishing. Not just as a company. And flourishing into what it was destined to be.
But also as a man. And what he was always meant to be.
Please, help in the fight to start up a Vault Disney or Disney Family Channel; and put family programming there. What is the harm of mixing in classic Disney films and TV shows, for current and future generations to enjoy, with great non-Disney family fare? After all, "this" is where Disney came from; "this" is where Disney was more of a magical legacy than a generic brand name, such as Nickelodeon or MTV.
I remember watching Bonanza on the Hallmark Channel one night, and I got kind of teary eyed during the commercial breaks when they showed previews of what westerns and original all-American movies were coming up. I remember thinking to myself "This is how the Disney Channel used to be; these are the values upon which it was built." The only difference is that Disney included cartoons and other children's programming during weekday mornings and afternoons.
But the Hallmark Channel is what the Disney Channel once was; and what the Disney Channel was always meant to be.
And It's sad.
Back in the good days of the channel (1980's-early 90's), the station was widely flourishing; maybe not as much as today with the 16 and under crowd, but it was doing just fine. It would have been fine if there were added a few more kiddy shows to make the channel more popular with the young crowd, but instead the entire daytime lineup was converted to a preteens dreamland. At least the Disney Channel had Vault Disney; that us until last year, when Eisner & Co totally did away with it. Why wouldn't today's generation like Old Yeller, Davy Crockett, Five Mile Creek, Avonlea, Heidi, Apple Dumpling Gang, or even the masterful nature series? What about the DL/WDW history programs on each parks' birthday? This is where Disney came from; classics such as these are true family classics; and they deserve to be showcased! I grew up during the 1980's, and I loved programs like Old Yeller, Heidi, Rodger's and Hammerstein's Cinderella, Pollyanna, Davy Crockett, the
Parent Trap, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, Swiss Family Robinson, the Shaggy Dog, the Apple Dumpling Gang, Mary Poppins, classic Disney animated films, etc when I first saw them in the 1980's. Many children today who end up watching the older classics on DVD actually do like them. Very much, in fact. Problem is, though, their parents are the ones who want the discs in the first place, and thus these kids wouldn't even see these movies if it weren't for mommy and daddy. By deciding not to air the old films and television specials, the company is not giving them more of a chance. A chance with a younger generation; one that deserves to know the history. The legacy. The very building blocks of this great company: its morals, its principals, its values, and, most importantly, the part they have played in America and her proud history. They deserve to know who Walt Disney was; for he is not only one of the greatest showman who ever lived, but was, and is, undoubtedly one of the greatest Americans. He was, and is, certainly one of the most beloved. And they deserve to know what he stood for.
And we deserve to tell them.
PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/preservethemagic
AND THE OFFICIAL CAMPAIGN FLYER (In PDF format) TO PRINT AND HAND OUT:
http://www.geocities.com/wdtv/DisneyChannel7-30-03.pdf

Max Whittaker · 08-03-2003, 01:09 AM

I recently came across an old VHS tape that my parents used to record Big Bird in Japan, Big Bird in China and Big Bird at the Metropolitan Museum of Art. They had taped it for me probably back in the 80's. I was so happy to see that the commercials were omitted by Disney. It made me remember how angry and confused I was when they began showing commercials.

After the show, I had the privilege of viewing some of the old after-the-show commercials. I saw an advertisement for the "new" series The Road to Avonlea, "coming in May".

What has Disney become!!!

I wish Walt Disney would come back as a spirit and haunt Micheal Esner and every other corporate executive responsible for this atrocity until they concede!!!

We do need a seperate channel where they show all the old Disney classics.

trekkie · 08-03-2003, 01:14 AM

Then please, by all means, get involved with our campaign

Tammy · 08-03-2003, 03:29 AM

I can understand some commercials-I mean they have to pay for the shows they broadcast, but Disney shows a ridiculous amount and at least 75% are for their own shows. They only show I watch on that channel now is Boy Meets World and even with that show they play the same 10 episodes over and over. I would love a Vault Disney channel that would broadcast all those old "Wonderful World of Disney" Mickey Mouse specials, or even if the existing Disney channel would make room in their schedule for a few a week!

Brian · 08-03-2003, 07:19 PM

I miss the old-school days of the Disney Channel. I remember when they had Mousterpiece Theater and Danger Bay (both of them being good shows from what I remember). They really do need to make a classic Disney Channel or something.

SBTB Geek · 08-03-2003, 07:45 PM

TAKE A HINT: You are too old for Disney, and that's why it doesn't appeal to you now. The shows you mentioned do not interest today's tweens and teens.

In order to stay competitive in today's market, The Disney Channel, and the overall corperation has to grow with their target audience. Kids like "Lizzie," and "Even Stevens," and that's what Disney is going to keep on playing.

But I do like your idea of a Classic Disney Channel. I, personally, do prefer the older stuff, and will enjoy watching it again, but I know Disney has to move on, and I as well.

You are stuck in yesterdayland. In with the new, out with the old.

trekkie · 08-03-2003, 10:19 PM

Allow me to paint a scenario: Disneyland is torn down and replaced with a playground that costs Eisner & his Armani-wearing cronies millions less to maintain. You may complain, but future generations won't. Will you just say, "Well, I had fun; but my future grandchildren will have a different experience; one of lesser quality. They will never know Disney as it was originally intended"? Or will you do something more drastic; something other than simply shruggingn off the ills and letting the world pass by?

Max Whittaker · 08-04-2003, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SBTB Geek
TAKE A HINT: You are too old for Disney, and that's why it doesn't appeal to you now. The shows you mentioned do not interest today's tweens and teens.

In order to stay competitive in today's market, The Disney Channel, and the overall corperation has to grow with their target audience. Kids like "Lizzie," and "Even Stevens," and that's what Disney is going to keep on playing.

But I do like your idea of a Classic Disney Channel. I, personally, do prefer the older stuff, and will enjoy watching it again, but I know Disney has to move on, and I as well.

You are stuck in yesterdayland. In with the new, out with the old.

Like the quote in Trekkies signature shows, Walt Disney loved the nostalgic. He hoped that we never lose the things of the past.

I like yesterland! It's full of beauty and magic and color! I'll never forget and would love to return to those old movies!

trekkie · 08-04-2003, 08:22 PM

Wouldn't we all?

Just a reminder to y'all: please get involved

!

Small Wonderian · 08-04-2003, 08:31 PM

I signed the petition because I for one would like to see some great Disney classics return to the network.

trekkie · 08-04-2003, 09:52 PM

AND DON'T FORGET -- THE OFFICIAL CAMPAIGN FLYER (In PDF format) TO PRINT AND HAND OUT:
http://www.geocities.com/wdtv/DisneyChannel7-30-03.pdf

trekkie · 08-06-2003, 06:21 PM

trekkie · 08-07-2003, 05:58 PM

Max Whittaker · 08-07-2003, 09:57 PM

You seem very passionate about this cause. Fight for it with all your might; and one day, we may all enjoy true Disney classics once again.

In any case, you've earned my respect.

About the campaign flyer, I can't seem to access the page. That's my only problem.

trekkie · 08-07-2003, 10:11 PM

Thanks
As for the flyer, you'll need Adobe Acrobat Reader to see it. It can be downloaded for free from:
http://www.adobe.com

08-03-2003, 12:40 AM	#1
trekkie Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Mar 22, 2003 Posts: 224	Help to Get a Vault Disney/Disney Family Channel; Link to Flyer I apologize if this post may seem inapropriate, but I'm hoping to attract more people to this project. The link to the campaign flyer is located below this message: "It is not myself I am thinking about, but it is the affect of what might happen to whatever is left that bothers me" -- Walt Disney The "new" Disney Channel is ignoring the very principles they were founded under and is spitting on the Disney name as a whole. The following comment is from a once proud Disney Channel viewer who has signed the official petition. They sum up our case perfectly: "I live in an area where the Disney Channel is a premium channel. After subscribing for nearly ten years, we un-subscribed in the fall of 1998 ... Fall [of] 1998 was when I started college, so I had grown up with the Disney Channel but had lost interest with the changing program. Without me at home, my parents nixed the channel. Through the 'old' Disney Channel, I was introduced to wonderful old movies. It was on Disney that I first saw a lot of the Disney classics as well as Hollywood classics like the musicals of Rogers and Hammerstein. It used to be programming that my parents and I could watch together when I was younger. Now the only group your channel plays to is the 12 and under crowd. Shame on you! Disney is about family and once this channel was for family, now it's a commercial filled un-watchable channel for Disney fans. I might as well watch Nickelodeon or MTV and I don't have to pay extra." If certain areas in this company ignore their principles, they stop the Disney name from flourishing. Not just as a company. But also as a man. A pioneer. Walt Disney, to be precise. Whose philosophy in the Disney Company was always to entice people to visit all of their masterpieces by providing nothing but "High quality family entertainment." The company he built currently preaches about family, yet at the same time ignores the very aspects and principles of family entertainment upon which they were built. When the Disney Channel began to ignore these ideals, they helped to stop the Disney name from flourishing. Not just as a company. And flourishing into what it was destined to be. But also as a man. And what he was always meant to be. Please, help in the fight to start up a Vault Disney or Disney Family Channel; and put family programming there. What is the harm of mixing in classic Disney films and TV shows, for current and future generations to enjoy, with great non-Disney family fare? After all, "this" is where Disney came from; "this" is where Disney was more of a magical legacy than a generic brand name, such as Nickelodeon or MTV. I remember watching Bonanza on the Hallmark Channel one night, and I got kind of teary eyed during the commercial breaks when they showed previews of what westerns and original all-American movies were coming up. I remember thinking to myself "This is how the Disney Channel used to be; these are the values upon which it was built." The only difference is that Disney included cartoons and other children's programming during weekday mornings and afternoons. But the Hallmark Channel is what the Disney Channel once was; and what the Disney Channel was always meant to be. And It's sad. Back in the good days of the channel (1980's-early 90's), the station was widely flourishing; maybe not as much as today with the 16 and under crowd, but it was doing just fine. It would have been fine if there were added a few more kiddy shows to make the channel more popular with the young crowd, but instead the entire daytime lineup was converted to a preteens dreamland. At least the Disney Channel had Vault Disney; that us until last year, when Eisner & Co totally did away with it. Why wouldn't today's generation like Old Yeller, Davy Crockett, Five Mile Creek, Avonlea, Heidi, Apple Dumpling Gang, or even the masterful nature series? What about the DL/WDW history programs on each parks' birthday? This is where Disney came from; classics such as these are true family classics; and they deserve to be showcased! I grew up during the 1980's, and I loved programs like Old Yeller, Heidi, Rodger's and Hammerstein's Cinderella, Pollyanna, Davy Crockett, the Parent Trap, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, Swiss Family Robinson, the Shaggy Dog, the Apple Dumpling Gang, Mary Poppins, classic Disney animated films, etc when I first saw them in the 1980's. Many children today who end up watching the older classics on DVD actually do like them. Very much, in fact. Problem is, though, their parents are the ones who want the discs in the first place, and thus these kids wouldn't even see these movies if it weren't for mommy and daddy. By deciding not to air the old films and television specials, the company is not giving them more of a chance. A chance with a younger generation; one that deserves to know the history. The legacy. The very building blocks of this great company: its morals, its principals, its values, and, most importantly, the part they have played in America and her proud history. They deserve to know who Walt Disney was; for he is not only one of the greatest showman who ever lived, but was, and is, undoubtedly one of the greatest Americans. He was, and is, certainly one of the most beloved. And they deserve to know what he stood for. And we deserve to tell them. PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/preservethemagic AND THE OFFICIAL CAMPAIGN FLYER (In PDF format) TO PRINT AND HAND OUT: http://www.geocities.com/wdtv/DisneyChannel7-30-03.pdf
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08-03-2003, 01:09 AM	#2
Max Whittaker I want Serenity back Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 30, 2001 Posts: 6,180	I recently came across an old VHS tape that my parents used to record Big Bird in Japan, Big Bird in China and Big Bird at the Metropolitan Museum of Art. They had taped it for me probably back in the 80's. I was so happy to see that the commercials were omitted by Disney. It made me remember how angry and confused I was when they began showing commercials. After the show, I had the privilege of viewing some of the old after-the-show commercials. I saw an advertisement for the "new" series The Road to Avonlea, "coming in May". What has Disney become!!! I wish Walt Disney would come back as a spirit and haunt Micheal Esner and every other corporate executive responsible for this atrocity until they concede!!! We do need a seperate channel where they show all the old Disney classics.
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08-03-2003, 03:29 AM	#4
Tammy MonkeeGroupies Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 04, 2001 Location: Monkeeland Posts: 263	I can understand some commercials-I mean they have to pay for the shows they broadcast, but Disney shows a ridiculous amount and at least 75% are for their own shows. They only show I watch on that channel now is Boy Meets World and even with that show they play the same 10 episodes over and over. I would love a Vault Disney channel that would broadcast all those old "Wonderful World of Disney" Mickey Mouse specials, or even if the existing Disney channel would make room in their schedule for a few a week!
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08-04-2003, 08:31 PM	#10
Small Wonderian Back From a Long Hiatus Forum Celebrity Join Date: May 23, 2003 Location: in Redskin Country!!!!!!! Posts: 20,316	I signed the petition because I for one would like to see some great Disney classics return to the network.
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08-03-2003, 01:14 AM	#3
trekkie Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Mar 22, 2003 Posts: 224	Then please, by all means, get involved with our campaign

08-03-2003, 07:19 PM	#5
Brian Member Forum Celebrity Join Date: Jun 23, 2001 Posts: 20,451	I miss the old-school days of the Disney Channel. I remember when they had Mousterpiece Theater and Danger Bay (both of them being good shows from what I remember). They really do need to make a classic Disney Channel or something.

08-03-2003, 07:45 PM	#6
SBTB Geek Smooth Moderator Forum Veteran Join Date: Feb 21, 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,004	TAKE A HINT: You are too old for Disney, and that's why it doesn't appeal to you now. The shows you mentioned do not interest today's tweens and teens. In order to stay competitive in today's market, The Disney Channel, and the overall corperation has to grow with their target audience. Kids like "Lizzie," and "Even Stevens," and that's what Disney is going to keep on playing. But I do like your idea of a Classic Disney Channel. I, personally, do prefer the older stuff, and will enjoy watching it again, but I know Disney has to move on, and I as well. You are stuck in yesterdayland. In with the new, out with the old.

08-03-2003, 10:19 PM	#7
trekkie Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Mar 22, 2003 Posts: 224	Allow me to paint a scenario: Disneyland is torn down and replaced with a playground that costs Eisner & his Armani-wearing cronies millions less to maintain. You may complain, but future generations won't. Will you just say, "Well, I had fun; but my future grandchildren will have a different experience; one of lesser quality. They will never know Disney as it was originally intended"? Or will you do something more drastic; something other than simply shruggingn off the ills and letting the world pass by?

08-04-2003, 08:22 PM	#9
trekkie Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Mar 22, 2003 Posts: 224	Wouldn't we all? Just a reminder to y'all: please get involved !

08-04-2003, 09:52 PM	#11
trekkie Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Mar 22, 2003 Posts: 224	AND DON'T FORGET -- THE OFFICIAL CAMPAIGN FLYER (In PDF format) TO PRINT AND HAND OUT: http://www.geocities.com/wdtv/DisneyChannel7-30-03.pdf

08-06-2003, 06:21 PM	#12
trekkie Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Mar 22, 2003 Posts: 224

08-07-2003, 05:58 PM	#13
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08-07-2003, 09:57 PM	#14
Max Whittaker I want Serenity back Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 30, 2001 Posts: 6,180	You seem very passionate about this cause. Fight for it with all your might; and one day, we may all enjoy true Disney classics once again. In any case, you've earned my respect. About the campaign flyer, I can't seem to access the page. That's my only problem.

08-07-2003, 10:11 PM	#15
trekkie Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Mar 22, 2003 Posts: 224	Thanks As for the flyer, you'll need Adobe Acrobat Reader to see it. It can be downloaded for free from: http://www.adobe.com