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ficlopri · 08-02-2003, 03:02 AM

Remember The Conscience of the King ep? Kodus was the governor/murderer of thousands of colonists twenty years earlier (on Tarsus 4?) and Jim Kirk was one of the last two or three people who can recall what Kodus looked like. What in the universe was Kirk doing on Kodus's colony? Was Kirk's brother Sam also in the colony? How about Kirk's parents? Doubtful as Sam is still alive during this ep and if he was on the colony also he too should be a Kodus witness. I think we were supposed to think that Jim was fully grown twenty years earlier. in an old Star Trek book written back in the 60's they said Jim might actually 75 years old (even though he only looks 35) as by ST's time the average age might be 150. I think though they didn't state it in this ep the writers went by the notion Kirk might have been 55 twenty years earlier. I prefer to regard just this series as ST:TOS canon. To me this show takes place at a forever unspecified time in the future. I consider all the ST movies and other tv shows as different (sometimes mirror) dimensions from this one.

BrandonS · 08-02-2003, 04:29 AM

Kirk was summoned to a place where an actor, Anton Karidian, who may be Kodos has been recognized by someone else. He is summoned there by a man who was a witness to Kodos's atrocity years earlier. I do not recall that Kirk was supposed to have been on the planet where Kodos executed colonists to relieve a food shortage. It's clear that Kevin Riley was. Kirk is supposed to be 34 at the time of the series and the series is supposed to occur in the 23rd century. Kirk's brother, Sam, is killed at the end of this (the first) season in the episode "Operation Annihilate."

ficlopri · 08-02-2003, 02:12 PM

Brandon, Jim Kirk was almost killed by Lenore, Kodus's daughter, because Jim the former colonist was a witness to Kodus the executioner 20 years earlier. As for Jim's age being 34, it is never mentioned in the series anywhere. Nor what century this show takes place in. Due to the many fan's obsessive desires to learn more about these characters by the time of the first movie they "established" when this was taking place and (or soon enough) such things as Kirk's age. Like I said I don't buy the ST movies or later shows as canon to the great original series. We saw in Mirror,Mirror there are alternate universes (on Star trek).

BrandonS · 08-02-2003, 03:40 PM

Hi.

I think that Lenore was after Kirk only because Kirk was after her father. I knew Kirk's and Spock's official ages while Trek was still in prime time. I think I was aware of their ages by around 1968. Trying to think back, I guess I had read them in Stephen E. Whitfield's "The Making of Star Trek." Whitfield apparently had access to Roddenberry. Roddenberry established many facts that don't appear in the series. Some of this was, as you say, because of fan interest, but it's possible that he put some of these things in the "Writer's Guide" he established for script writers.

Best Wishes,
Brandon

ficlopri · 08-03-2003, 01:12 AM

Brandon, in COTK Spock has the computer read off a list off witnesses still alive who can identify Kodus.Kirk is one, Kevin Riley is another. And that book you mentioned is the very one where it was mentioned Kirk actually might be in his 70's!

ficlopri · 08-03-2003, 01:17 AM

Brandon, in Whitfield's book first- thought-of-Enterprise Captain Robert T. April was (I believe) supposed to be 34. Again, Kirk could be in his 70's according to that very book.

BrandonS · 08-03-2003, 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ficlopri
Brandon, in Whitfield's book first- thought-of-Enterprise Captain Robert T. April was (I believe) supposed to be 34. Again, Kirk could be in his 70's according to that very book.

Maybe I should re-read it. It's been quite a few years.

08-02-2003, 03:02 AM	#1
ficlopri Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jun 27, 2001 Location: Methuen, Ma.USA Posts: 659	What was Kirk doing on Kodus's colony? Remember The Conscience of the King ep? Kodus was the governor/murderer of thousands of colonists twenty years earlier (on Tarsus 4?) and Jim Kirk was one of the last two or three people who can recall what Kodus looked like. What in the universe was Kirk doing on Kodus's colony? Was Kirk's brother Sam also in the colony? How about Kirk's parents? Doubtful as Sam is still alive during this ep and if he was on the colony also he too should be a Kodus witness. I think we were supposed to think that Jim was fully grown twenty years earlier. in an old Star Trek book written back in the 60's they said Jim might actually 75 years old (even though he only looks 35) as by ST's time the average age might be 150. I think though they didn't state it in this ep the writers went by the notion Kirk might have been 55 twenty years earlier. I prefer to regard just this series as ST:TOS canon. To me this show takes place at a forever unspecified time in the future. I consider all the ST movies and other tv shows as different (sometimes mirror) dimensions from this one.

08-02-2003, 04:29 AM	#2
BrandonS Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Aug 18, 2002 Posts: 8,824	Kirk was summoned to a place where an actor, Anton Karidian, who may be Kodos has been recognized by someone else. He is summoned there by a man who was a witness to Kodos's atrocity years earlier. I do not recall that Kirk was supposed to have been on the planet where Kodos executed colonists to relieve a food shortage. It's clear that Kevin Riley was. Kirk is supposed to be 34 at the time of the series and the series is supposed to occur in the 23rd century. Kirk's brother, Sam, is killed at the end of this (the first) season in the episode "Operation Annihilate."

08-02-2003, 02:12 PM	#3
ficlopri Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jun 27, 2001 Location: Methuen, Ma.USA Posts: 659	Brandon, Jim Kirk was almost killed by Lenore, Kodus's daughter, because Jim the former colonist was a witness to Kodus the executioner 20 years earlier. As for Jim's age being 34, it is never mentioned in the series anywhere. Nor what century this show takes place in. Due to the many fan's obsessive desires to learn more about these characters by the time of the first movie they "established" when this was taking place and (or soon enough) such things as Kirk's age. Like I said I don't buy the ST movies or later shows as canon to the great original series. We saw in Mirror,Mirror there are alternate universes (on Star trek).

08-02-2003, 03:40 PM	#4
BrandonS Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Aug 18, 2002 Posts: 8,824	Hi. I think that Lenore was after Kirk only because Kirk was after her father. I knew Kirk's and Spock's official ages while Trek was still in prime time. I think I was aware of their ages by around 1968. Trying to think back, I guess I had read them in Stephen E. Whitfield's "The Making of Star Trek." Whitfield apparently had access to Roddenberry. Roddenberry established many facts that don't appear in the series. Some of this was, as you say, because of fan interest, but it's possible that he put some of these things in the "Writer's Guide" he established for script writers. Best Wishes, Brandon

08-03-2003, 01:12 AM	#5
ficlopri Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jun 27, 2001 Location: Methuen, Ma.USA Posts: 659	Brandon, in COTK Spock has the computer read off a list off witnesses still alive who can identify Kodus.Kirk is one, Kevin Riley is another. And that book you mentioned is the very one where it was mentioned Kirk actually might be in his 70's!

08-03-2003, 01:17 AM	#6
ficlopri Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jun 27, 2001 Location: Methuen, Ma.USA Posts: 659	Brandon, in Whitfield's book first- thought-of-Enterprise Captain Robert T. April was (I believe) supposed to be 34. Again, Kirk could be in his 70's according to that very book.