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JaneTVFan · 08-01-2003, 02:18 AM

"She could be very cold," admits daughter Lucie Arnaz, "and although she told me she loved me all the time, I didn't feel loved." This is what Lucie is quoted as saying in the new biography of Lucille Ball, "Ball of Fire." Less than a year after her mother died, she told Joan Rivers on her show that her mother was a "control freak." Several years ago she told the writers of the book "Desilu" (among a number of other unflattering things) that her mother had "the emotional maturity of a five-year-old." And frankly, I can't think of a kind thing she ever said about her mother. She heaps endless praise on her alcoholic, cheating father, but hasn't a single kind word to say about her mother. A few years ago at a Lucy Convention Steve Allen was one of the guests. When he got up and talked, he gave an address to the fanatical Lucy fans about how they had not ever lost anything with Lucille Ball's death because they never knew her, like he and her friends had. All they knew was her work, which was all recorded on film and all of which still exists today. He said to them "Lucy's dead, get over it!" Lucie, who was in that audience, picked up on that line and started using it as a punch line. I was in a semi-private gathering later that weekend that included Lucie. She blurted that line at least three times like it was a big joke. Can you imagine laughingly using a line like that about your own parent?

It's interesting, but in that "Desilu" book, Lucie tried to paint a picture of a sad, deprived childhood as Lucille Ball's daughter. But if you really focus on what she's saying, the life she's describing, you realize that it was actually a pretty NORMAL one. While most of the other Hollywood celeb kids around her were being spoiled to death by their parents, terrible Lucy tried to instill values in her children by -- heaven forbid -- teaching them how to work for a living and earn their own way. She, in my opinion, was trying to raise self-sufficient, upstanding kids. Obviously, she didn't quite succeed with this one.

Part of the problem most surely was that when Lucie and Desi Jr. visited their father, he did spoil them to death, which would pretty much undo the work their mother was trying to do. This is an unfortunate consequence of divorce sometimes: one parent trying to be the responsible parent and instill discipline while the other tries to be the popular parent with the kid by spoiling them to death and giving them all the things they shouldn't have.

When I hear things about Lucille Ball, how she could be tough and emotionally distant, I often feel like I'm reading about my own father. Like Lucy, he has always been a workaholic. He was often not accessible. He also has unpredictable temper tantrums. Pretty much any of these characteristics that are attributed to Lucille Ball I can see in my father. He also holds similar values. He's been very successful in his career and had the ability to spoil his kids, but instead he chose to make us get jobs and be self sufficient. I could easily sit back and lambast him the way Lucie does about her mother. But you know what? It's time to grow up! Get over it! Do I wish it were easier for my father to open up? Do I wish he had a less volatile temperament? Sure I do. But my gosh, he comes from a different time, from back in the days when we didn't have a Dr. Phil or 24-hour self-help channels with shows teaching you how to be a better parent. All he had were his own life experiences. And all Lucille Ball had as an example was a mother who abandoned her for a couple years to be with her second husband, who worked a lot and spent little time with her kids. Does her emotional distance mean she didn't really love her kids? My gosh, Lucie should consider herself so lucky that her mother did tell her "all the time" that she loved her. I don't think my father ever uttered those words to me before I was 30!

Desi Jr. always talks about what a caring mother his mother was. One example he gives is of how his mother (and father) was by his side every step of the way in the early '80s when he was going through therapy for drug addiction. Perhaps Lucie is jealous that her brother got that attention and not her? Well frankly, I'm sure if Lucie had been struggling with drug abuse or alcohol abuse or whatever, her mother would have been there for her as well. But clearly she must have thought she was a better adjusted person than it now appears she is.

It's absurd for Lucie to suggest her mother didn't really love her. My gosh, it's no secret how important Lucy's career was to her. But she sacrificed her professional reputation back in 1968 by putting her kids on her show. She was exposing herself to absolute ridicule for doing that because, as anyone familiar with that series knows, when it first began those two couldn's act to save their lives! Lucy could have, and perhaps should have, hired REAL actors to be on that show with her. But instead she sacrificed her own professional credibility to give her kids a chance that most aspiring actors can only dream of. She gave them an opportunity not only to appear on national television, but to be CO-STARS. And they sure as hell didn't deserve that privilege. If that isn't love, I don't know what is.

It's interesting that Ms. Arnaz wasn't saying these things about her mother while she was still alive. Instead, she waited until after Lucille Ball died and after she got that big, fat inheritance from her that has allowed her the freedom to do anything in life that she wishes.

I doubt if Lucie is reading this, but if she is, please know many of us have difficult relationships with our parents. You're not alone out there. But our parents can't always be the image of what we wish them to be. And maybe their idea of good parenting isn't you idea of what it should be. At some point you need to stop being a baby and wanting the world to feel sorry for you. In fact, perhaps you should realize that your real problem is that you are TOO MUCH LIKE YOUR OWN MOTHER. I've heard this from a number of people. You have the same personality. You're sweetness and light and fun when the camera is on you, but once it's off you often can be cold. "Cold," the very word you use to describe your mother I've heard used to describe YOU. So take your own advice: Lucy's dead, get over it!

Mickey · 08-01-2003, 03:49 AM

Don't be too hard on her. Lucie's behaviour is very similar to many other children of celebrities. It's a really, really, crazy world to grow up in. Besides, we don't knowwhat life was like for her in Lucy's house. Just because Desi Jr found it loving doesn't mean that Lucie did. We all need different things from our parents, and all require different levels of contact and assurance. What Lucy saw as enough hugs wasn't necessarily enough for Lucie, if you see what I mean? Lucie said in a recent interview in a British magazine (Telegraph On Saturday I think) that she loved her mother, sure, but she was closer to her father because they have much more similar personalities, looked at life the same way, and were just generally the kind of people fated to be closer. That's just the way it goes sometime.

That Other Fan · 08-01-2003, 05:39 AM

I predict 78 posts for this thread....lol

Seriously, I've always thought Lucie has been very protective of her mother's image. I don't know....

BTW, what the hell was Steven Allen's problem that day?

SPLAIN · 08-01-2003, 10:11 AM

Jane, why don't you post more often. You always say everything so beautifully and accurately. I recently made a promise to Laura, who runs Lucie's website, that i would make an effort to stop bashing Lucie and her comments, because Laura is such a doll and is Lucie's biggest fan, i didn't want to hurt HER in the process. B U T , i also always clearly state that i want the truth and not sugar coated claptrap given by publicists, or certain people wanting to get articles published and knowing that the juicier the lies and exaggerations, the more people will read it and the more publicity will be derived from their efforts. You've said everything so well, as usual, that i will only add one thing. Insiders have recently told me that Lucie's kids are experiencing some problems with underage drinking and pot smoking, how come? I thought Lucie was the perfect mother, maybe she's human like all of us, and her own mother also after all! It seems Lucie herself is being ridiculed by family and close friends for being extremely frugal and outspoken and . . . oh my, just like her mother again. Well, it's understandable, the poort thing is upset that her mom did not leave her enough money, yes 22 million is so little nowadays, and also the fact that she has to handle her mom and dad's estates is so time consuming, never mind that it brings her a million a year in revenues. I agree, i also had the same problem with my own dad, and i have said before to Lucie in open posts, GET OVER IT, it fits here too!

SPLAIN · 08-01-2003, 01:34 PM

Ok, took some medication and lied down a little, but i just wanted to say, NOTHING riles me more than comments from Lucie about how bad her mom was as a mother. You all may know how i Hate George Bush, but i would gladly become a supporter of his in return for Lucie NOT making comments like that when she knows full well how we will react. I am always reminded of the story of where Lucy got hit on the set with this huge display of cans coming down on her and everybody ran to her rescue hoping she was all right and it is said the two kids stayed where they were and kept on reading their magazines or books not bothering to check on her, seems feelings work both ways! I seem to recall that Lucy put the kids on her show to keep an eye on them AND to give them a start in show business. They both did poorly in school, but found joy in learning with tutors on the set. She let THEM decide if they wanted to do it or not and did not force them in any way. BUT, she did not like the pregnant girls and rampant drug use of both of their schools. She did not allow them to go to certain people's houses and yes, you're absolutely right, she was a hands on mom who was constantly told by her own mother, no, don't do that, if you really LOVE them, you don't let them do that. I also don't recall Lucie saying anything good about her mom but Desi jr did. And his mother who was so concerned with appearances a la Nancy Reagan, especially after being painted as the wicked witch of the north in that Patty Duke fiasco, still found the time and did not worry about the consequences of going to drug therapy to get her son OFF of drugs. Her daughter still was pregnant when she got married and she married a much older man, maybe looking for a father figure. I find Lucie to be talented, a beauty and smart, but comments like this one make me rethink that assessment. Maybe it's all an image, like the way she would have us think her own mom was. Maybe Lucie has had it easier with her own kids because she never reached the status of her mother. The only Emmy she won was for producing a documentary on her parents. She never ran a studio or supported friends and relatives all her life like her mom did. But don't get me wrong, she has her good points too, she does do charity work and she is a great entertainer, i just wish she would get off this Mommie Dearest kick she's been on for decades now!

bweir · 08-01-2003, 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by SPLAIN
Insiders have recently told me that Lucie's kids are experiencing some problems with underage drinking and pot smoking, how come?

I suppose these nameless "insiders" told you that bit of trivial assumption in confidance?

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Originally posted by SPLAIN
It seems Lucie herself is being ridiculed by family and close friends for being extremely frugal and outspoken and . . . oh my, just like her mother again.

Those sound like Grrrrrrrrrrreat friends. Obviously somebody on the "grape vine" has an axe to grind.

SPLAIN · 08-01-2003, 01:39 PM

One LAST thing, if Lucy was indeed a BAD mother, it takes two people to make a BAD relationship and Lucy paid for it in the end, didn't she DIE ALONE in that hospital room because her cheap husband had cancelled the nurse, and where were her kids at that time, already counting the money that would go to them? The word S P O I L E D seems so appropriate here!

bweir · 08-01-2003, 01:41 PM

Claude, I am amazed that you would say something as crude as that.

SPLAIN · 08-01-2003, 02:12 PM

As long as Lucie can make the comments she does, she should know that her family and friends are making similar comments about HER!

Lodee · 08-01-2003, 03:41 PM

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Originally posted by SPLAIN
One LAST thing, if Lucy was indeed a BAD mother, it takes two people to make a BAD relationship and Lucy paid for it in the end, didn't she DIE ALONE in that hospital room because her cheap husband had cancelled the nurse, and where were her kids at that time, already counting the money that would go to them? The word S P O I L E D seems so appropriate here!

That's pretty rough! I think she was up there to visit her alot but she died really early in the morning, didn't she? I don't think it's fair to say she was already counting the money.

SPLAIN · 08-01-2003, 04:21 PM

You're right, i take it back, i was extremely angry that she was bashing her mother again in a new book!

Ricardos4ever · 08-01-2003, 04:27 PM

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Originally posted by JaneTVFan
"She could be very cold," admits daughter Lucie Arnaz, "and although she told me she loved me all the time, I didn't feel loved." This is what Lucie is quoted as saying in the new biography of Lucille Ball, "Ball of Fire." Less than a year after her mother died, she told Joan Rivers on her show that her mother was a "control freak." Several years ago she told the writers of the book "Desilu" (among a number of other unflattering things) that her mother had "the emotional maturity of a five-year-old." And frankly, I can't think of a kind thing she ever said about her mother.

I think that you could be reading too much into this. Yes, Lucy could be very cold. So many people around her have said that. It was part of her personality. Why deny the truth? And the part about Lucie not feeling loved, well, there were times when I was younger when my parents used the 'tough love' method -- and I sure as heck didn't feel loved, either. Lucie didn't say, "Although she told me she loved me all the time, I really don't think she ever loved me." She said she didn't feel loved. Big difference.

And the part about her calling her mother a "control freak" -- I can't see what is so wrong with that, either. I have friends who I would call control freaks, but I love 'em to death anyway. Again, it is just one aspect of her personality. It's the truth! And it is also the reason why her shows worked so well -- she was controlling, but turned out good shows as a result.

Finally, in "Desilu", I don't believe that Lucie made that comment to be cruel. She gives readers an insight into why her mother was the way she was, comedically, emotionally, etc. Let me quote from the book to make my point:

Lucie: "The worst thing you can do is supress pain, and she made a career out of supressing all of her pain....Thank God she had her comedy to act out all this childhood fantasy. She was really stuck at a young age emotionally, and she probably stopped any sort of serious emotional growth around that five-to-six-year-old stage. My mother would get angry or react emotionally like a child, like a frustrated child in a tantrum......and yet, that's why she was such a great comic. Because she could indentify with that childlike humor and youthful crazines and unabashed bravery. An overcoming of that pain in performing, if you're lucky, gives you a gift that you can give back to people."

She recognizes her mother as someone whose frustrations were rooted in a deep pain that was transformed into something that her mother gave back to the world. Her mother probably did throw tantrums, which, in my opinon, is childish. That doesn't make me love her any less. I think that Lucie was just telling it like it is, something that her mother certainly did a lot of. The truth hurts, but I don't think that Lucie was trying to hurt her mother by telling it.

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Originally posted by SPLAIN
Insiders have recently told me that Lucie's kids are experiencing some problems with underage drinking and pot smoking, how come? I thought Lucie was the perfect mother, maybe she's human like all of us, and her own mother also after all!

You can't really throw that in her face. No matter how hard you try to set your children on the right track, no matter what values and morals you try to instill in them, teenagers are going to make their own decisions in the end. I know plenty of teens whose parents couldn't keep them from doing those kinds of things, despite the amount of Bible studies they were forced to attend growing up. Kids will do what they want to; it doesn't mean that their parents were bad ones.

In conclusion (finally!), I don't know how Lucie really feels about her mother. I don't know Lucie personally, and probably none of us do. But when looking at the evidence (at least the evidence mentioned in the first post of this thread), I don't consider Lucie to be a "Lucy basher." People ask her questions, she answers them honestly. And, unfortunatly, the bad things people say about a famous person tend to get printed more often then the the good things because that's what our society craves.

Remember the nice song that Lucie sang to her mother when she was inducted into the Television Hall of Fame called "My Mother the Star"? It was performed with nothin' but love, if you ask me.

SPLAIN · 08-01-2003, 04:35 PM

Very well said, as usual, sorry i omitted you in my praise of the best people on this board, you were always one of the best, my post was total anger, you know, NOT THIS AGAIN, type of thing. I wish i could take some of it back as you make great points about her being totally honest and direct like her mother, there's a BUT coming up so i'll go now, thanks again for giving the OTHER side to Jane and my comments!

dawsongirl · 08-01-2003, 04:52 PM

I just wanted to say that this is a great topic and makes for a wonderful debate.

But remember, no fighting or attacking individual posters, okay? I wanna keep this open.

SPLAIN · 08-01-2003, 04:55 PM

Well, i'm backing down, because i apparently shocked some people with my response, but it's been stored for quite a while and needed air! Thanks for letting it go on, maybe we can really debate this and get some answers as to why it's still going on!

08-01-2003, 02:18 AM	#1
JaneTVFan Member Forum Regular Join Date: Nov 06, 2001 Posts: 641	Lucie Hates Lucy "She could be very cold," admits daughter Lucie Arnaz, "and although she told me she loved me all the time, I didn't feel loved." This is what Lucie is quoted as saying in the new biography of Lucille Ball, "Ball of Fire." Less than a year after her mother died, she told Joan Rivers on her show that her mother was a "control freak." Several years ago she told the writers of the book "Desilu" (among a number of other unflattering things) that her mother had "the emotional maturity of a five-year-old." And frankly, I can't think of a kind thing she ever said about her mother. She heaps endless praise on her alcoholic, cheating father, but hasn't a single kind word to say about her mother. A few years ago at a Lucy Convention Steve Allen was one of the guests. When he got up and talked, he gave an address to the fanatical Lucy fans about how they had not ever lost anything with Lucille Ball's death because they never knew her, like he and her friends had. All they knew was her work, which was all recorded on film and all of which still exists today. He said to them "Lucy's dead, get over it!" Lucie, who was in that audience, picked up on that line and started using it as a punch line. I was in a semi-private gathering later that weekend that included Lucie. She blurted that line at least three times like it was a big joke. Can you imagine laughingly using a line like that about your own parent? It's interesting, but in that "Desilu" book, Lucie tried to paint a picture of a sad, deprived childhood as Lucille Ball's daughter. But if you really focus on what she's saying, the life she's describing, you realize that it was actually a pretty NORMAL one. While most of the other Hollywood celeb kids around her were being spoiled to death by their parents, terrible Lucy tried to instill values in her children by -- heaven forbid -- teaching them how to work for a living and earn their own way. She, in my opinion, was trying to raise self-sufficient, upstanding kids. Obviously, she didn't quite succeed with this one. Part of the problem most surely was that when Lucie and Desi Jr. visited their father, he did spoil them to death, which would pretty much undo the work their mother was trying to do. This is an unfortunate consequence of divorce sometimes: one parent trying to be the responsible parent and instill discipline while the other tries to be the popular parent with the kid by spoiling them to death and giving them all the things they shouldn't have. When I hear things about Lucille Ball, how she could be tough and emotionally distant, I often feel like I'm reading about my own father. Like Lucy, he has always been a workaholic. He was often not accessible. He also has unpredictable temper tantrums. Pretty much any of these characteristics that are attributed to Lucille Ball I can see in my father. He also holds similar values. He's been very successful in his career and had the ability to spoil his kids, but instead he chose to make us get jobs and be self sufficient. I could easily sit back and lambast him the way Lucie does about her mother. But you know what? It's time to grow up! Get over it! Do I wish it were easier for my father to open up? Do I wish he had a less volatile temperament? Sure I do. But my gosh, he comes from a different time, from back in the days when we didn't have a Dr. Phil or 24-hour self-help channels with shows teaching you how to be a better parent. All he had were his own life experiences. And all Lucille Ball had as an example was a mother who abandoned her for a couple years to be with her second husband, who worked a lot and spent little time with her kids. Does her emotional distance mean she didn't really love her kids? My gosh, Lucie should consider herself so lucky that her mother did tell her "all the time" that she loved her. I don't think my father ever uttered those words to me before I was 30! Desi Jr. always talks about what a caring mother his mother was. One example he gives is of how his mother (and father) was by his side every step of the way in the early '80s when he was going through therapy for drug addiction. Perhaps Lucie is jealous that her brother got that attention and not her? Well frankly, I'm sure if Lucie had been struggling with drug abuse or alcohol abuse or whatever, her mother would have been there for her as well. But clearly she must have thought she was a better adjusted person than it now appears she is. It's absurd for Lucie to suggest her mother didn't really love her. My gosh, it's no secret how important Lucy's career was to her. But she sacrificed her professional reputation back in 1968 by putting her kids on her show. She was exposing herself to absolute ridicule for doing that because, as anyone familiar with that series knows, when it first began those two couldn's act to save their lives! Lucy could have, and perhaps should have, hired REAL actors to be on that show with her. But instead she sacrificed her own professional credibility to give her kids a chance that most aspiring actors can only dream of. She gave them an opportunity not only to appear on national television, but to be CO-STARS. And they sure as hell didn't deserve that privilege. If that isn't love, I don't know what is. It's interesting that Ms. Arnaz wasn't saying these things about her mother while she was still alive. Instead, she waited until after Lucille Ball died and after she got that big, fat inheritance from her that has allowed her the freedom to do anything in life that she wishes. I doubt if Lucie is reading this, but if she is, please know many of us have difficult relationships with our parents. You're not alone out there. But our parents can't always be the image of what we wish them to be. And maybe their idea of good parenting isn't you idea of what it should be. At some point you need to stop being a baby and wanting the world to feel sorry for you. In fact, perhaps you should realize that your real problem is that you are TOO MUCH LIKE YOUR OWN MOTHER. I've heard this from a number of people. You have the same personality. You're sweetness and light and fun when the camera is on you, but once it's off you often can be cold. "Cold," the very word you use to describe your mother I've heard used to describe YOU. So take your own advice: Lucy's dead, get over it!

08-01-2003, 03:49 AM	#2
Mickey Ranger Forum Regular Join Date: Oct 12, 2002 Location: The UK, and still finding Desi funnier than Lucy Posts: 960	Don't be too hard on her. Lucie's behaviour is very similar to many other children of celebrities. It's a really, really, crazy world to grow up in. Besides, we don't knowwhat life was like for her in Lucy's house. Just because Desi Jr found it loving doesn't mean that Lucie did. We all need different things from our parents, and all require different levels of contact and assurance. What Lucy saw as enough hugs wasn't necessarily enough for Lucie, if you see what I mean? Lucie said in a recent interview in a British magazine (Telegraph On Saturday I think) that she loved her mother, sure, but she was closer to her father because they have much more similar personalities, looked at life the same way, and were just generally the kind of people fated to be closer. That's just the way it goes sometime.

08-01-2003, 05:39 AM	#3
That Other Fan Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Sep 27, 2001 Posts: 191	I predict 78 posts for this thread....lol Seriously, I've always thought Lucie has been very protective of her mother's image. I don't know.... BTW, what the hell was Steven Allen's problem that day?

08-01-2003, 10:11 AM	#4
SPLAIN I Love Lucy Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 04, 2002 Location: MONTREAL, CANADA Posts: 4,563	Jane, why don't you post more often. You always say everything so beautifully and accurately. I recently made a promise to Laura, who runs Lucie's website, that i would make an effort to stop bashing Lucie and her comments, because Laura is such a doll and is Lucie's biggest fan, i didn't want to hurt HER in the process. B U T , i also always clearly state that i want the truth and not sugar coated claptrap given by publicists, or certain people wanting to get articles published and knowing that the juicier the lies and exaggerations, the more people will read it and the more publicity will be derived from their efforts. You've said everything so well, as usual, that i will only add one thing. Insiders have recently told me that Lucie's kids are experiencing some problems with underage drinking and pot smoking, how come? I thought Lucie was the perfect mother, maybe she's human like all of us, and her own mother also after all! It seems Lucie herself is being ridiculed by family and close friends for being extremely frugal and outspoken and . . . oh my, just like her mother again. Well, it's understandable, the poort thing is upset that her mom did not leave her enough money, yes 22 million is so little nowadays, and also the fact that she has to handle her mom and dad's estates is so time consuming, never mind that it brings her a million a year in revenues. I agree, i also had the same problem with my own dad, and i have said before to Lucie in open posts, GET OVER IT, it fits here too!

08-01-2003, 01:34 PM	#5
SPLAIN I Love Lucy Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 04, 2002 Location: MONTREAL, CANADA Posts: 4,563	Ok, took some medication and lied down a little, but i just wanted to say, NOTHING riles me more than comments from Lucie about how bad her mom was as a mother. You all may know how i Hate George Bush, but i would gladly become a supporter of his in return for Lucie NOT making comments like that when she knows full well how we will react. I am always reminded of the story of where Lucy got hit on the set with this huge display of cans coming down on her and everybody ran to her rescue hoping she was all right and it is said the two kids stayed where they were and kept on reading their magazines or books not bothering to check on her, seems feelings work both ways! I seem to recall that Lucy put the kids on her show to keep an eye on them AND to give them a start in show business. They both did poorly in school, but found joy in learning with tutors on the set. She let THEM decide if they wanted to do it or not and did not force them in any way. BUT, she did not like the pregnant girls and rampant drug use of both of their schools. She did not allow them to go to certain people's houses and yes, you're absolutely right, she was a hands on mom who was constantly told by her own mother, no, don't do that, if you really LOVE them, you don't let them do that. I also don't recall Lucie saying anything good about her mom but Desi jr did. And his mother who was so concerned with appearances a la Nancy Reagan, especially after being painted as the wicked witch of the north in that Patty Duke fiasco, still found the time and did not worry about the consequences of going to drug therapy to get her son OFF of drugs. Her daughter still was pregnant when she got married and she married a much older man, maybe looking for a father figure. I find Lucie to be talented, a beauty and smart, but comments like this one make me rethink that assessment. Maybe it's all an image, like the way she would have us think her own mom was. Maybe Lucie has had it easier with her own kids because she never reached the status of her mother. The only Emmy she won was for producing a documentary on her parents. She never ran a studio or supported friends and relatives all her life like her mom did. But don't get me wrong, she has her good points too, she does do charity work and she is a great entertainer, i just wish she would get off this Mommie Dearest kick she's been on for decades now!

08-01-2003, 01:39 PM	#7
SPLAIN I Love Lucy Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 04, 2002 Location: MONTREAL, CANADA Posts: 4,563	One LAST thing, if Lucy was indeed a BAD mother, it takes two people to make a BAD relationship and Lucy paid for it in the end, didn't she DIE ALONE in that hospital room because her cheap husband had cancelled the nurse, and where were her kids at that time, already counting the money that would go to them? The word S P O I L E D seems so appropriate here!

08-01-2003, 01:41 PM	#8
bweir Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 23, 2001 Posts: 293	Claude, I am amazed that you would say something as crude as that.

08-01-2003, 02:12 PM	#9
SPLAIN I Love Lucy Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 04, 2002 Location: MONTREAL, CANADA Posts: 4,563	As long as Lucie can make the comments she does, she should know that her family and friends are making similar comments about HER!

08-01-2003, 04:21 PM	#11
SPLAIN I Love Lucy Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 04, 2002 Location: MONTREAL, CANADA Posts: 4,563	You're right, i take it back, i was extremely angry that she was bashing her mother again in a new book!

08-01-2003, 04:35 PM	#13
SPLAIN I Love Lucy Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 04, 2002 Location: MONTREAL, CANADA Posts: 4,563	Very well said, as usual, sorry i omitted you in my praise of the best people on this board, you were always one of the best, my post was total anger, you know, NOT THIS AGAIN, type of thing. I wish i could take some of it back as you make great points about her being totally honest and direct like her mother, there's a BUT coming up so i'll go now, thanks again for giving the OTHER side to Jane and my comments!

08-01-2003, 04:52 PM	#14
dawsongirl Member Forum Icon Join Date: Jan 04, 2001 Posts: 53,128	I just wanted to say that this is a great topic and makes for a wonderful debate. But remember, no fighting or attacking individual posters, okay? I wanna keep this open.

08-01-2003, 04:55 PM	#15
SPLAIN I Love Lucy Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 04, 2002 Location: MONTREAL, CANADA Posts: 4,563	Well, i'm backing down, because i apparently shocked some people with my response, but it's been stored for quite a while and needed air! Thanks for letting it go on, maybe we can really debate this and get some answers as to why it's still going on!