Here is the Difference between the Jeffersons and Good Times Inconsistencies - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

TVFactFan · 07-06-2003, 01:20 PM

The Jeffersons was a Spinoff and only had one inconsistency

When George and Louise left Queens to move to Manhattan, George said they were riding in a limo and Louise had on a Blue Coat.

The Inconsistency was in the opening credits, George and Louise were in a cab instead of a limo and Louise had on a Red Coat. Plus the Red Coat is never seen in a Jeffersons episode.

Now Good Times is considered a spinoff but has TOO MANY Inconsistencies to be apart of Maude Reality.

1.Husband has Different Name on Good Times

2.The Setting for Good Times was in Chicago

3.Florida never mentions that James was a fireman-She says his past jobs were a dishwasher, laundry helper, night watchman, and floor sweeper

4.Evans never mention anything about living in New York

5.First episode of Good times has the Evans receiving Eviction notice when Florida's husband had a Good job on the Maude episode-Florida's Goodbye

6.Chicago is miles away from New York

7.Florida's husband didn't want her working in nobody kitchen. He didn't mind on Maude.

So there are no many UNEXPLAINED things to consider Good Times a spinoff of Maude.

GeeBee · 07-07-2003, 12:34 AM

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Originally posted by Sitcom Analyzer
The Jeffersons was a Spinoff and only had one inconsistency

When George and Louise left Queens to move to Manhattan, George said they were riding in a limo and Louise had on a Blue Coat.

The Inconsistency was in the opening credits, George and Louise were in a cab instead of a limo and Louise had on a Red Coat. Plus the Red Coat is never seen in a Jeffersons episode.

Now Good Times is considered a spinoff but has TOO MANY Inconsistencies to be apart of Maude Reality.

1.Husband has Different Name on Good Times

2.The Setting for Good Times was in Chicago

3.Florida never mentions that James was a fireman-She says his past jobs were a dishwasher, laundry helper, night watchman, and floor sweeper

4.Evans never mention anything about living in New York

5.First episode of Good times has the Evans receiving Eviction notice when Florida's husband had a Good job on the Maude episode-Florida's Goodbye

6.Chicago is miles away from New York

7.Florida's husband didn't want her working in nobody kitchen. He didn't mind on Maude.

So there are no many UNEXPLAINED things to consider Good Times a spinoff of Maude.

But, Good Times is still a spin-off from Maude.

TVFactFan · 11-22-2003, 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by GeeBee
But, Good Times is still a spin-off from Maude.

I wish i had Norman Lear's home phone number-LOL

Brian Damage · 11-22-2003, 12:58 PM

He'd tell you that you're being ridiculous and confrontational and that Good Times was a spinoff....no matter how many inconcistencies there might have been.

Brian Damage · 11-22-2003, 01:00 PM

I defy you to find one article that states that it is not a spinoff. I have thousands that say it is...including yours!!!

TVFactFan · 11-22-2003, 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by Brian Damage
I defy you to find one article that states that it is not a spinoff. I have thousands that say it is...including yours!!!

Well if the term-(NOT REALLY A SPINOFF by a PRODUCER) is not good enough then i don't know what else to tell you Mr.Damage

Brian Damage · 11-22-2003, 01:45 PM

Not really aka it is a spinoff because it involves a spinoff of the Florida Evans character and it is not because they tried to put her in a different environment.

You can talk about all the inconsistencies you want, the point is, if they spun off Florida Evans from Maude which they did(Your article admitted that) than it is a spinoff. What is wrong with you?

Pug Lover · 11-22-2003, 07:19 PM

It,s kind of like how Mork & Mindy was a spin off from Happy Days.The one inconsistency I know of in that situation,was the way they had first introduced Mork in his first appearance on Happy Days.After having thought he saw a flying saucer[which was apparently really a GoodYear blimp,or something like it],Richie falls alseep on the livingroom sofa at home,and dreams that he and Fonzie are greeted from Mork from Ork.So Mork,s debut had been a dream of Richie,s.Later on,there is an episode where Richie and Fonzie are visited by Mork for the second time.Mork,s alien powers having put Marion,s birthday bash at a stand still,literally.I believe this second appearance of Mork on Happy Days came shortly after Mork & Mindy had debuted.Not to mention,Richie was not dreaming this time around.You see what I mean?I think the writers sometimes change their minds.If you know what I,m saying.

W.J. Griffin · 11-24-2003, 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by Pug Lover
It,s kind of like how Mork & Mindy was a spin off from Happy Days.The one inconsistency I know of in that situation,was the way they had first introduced Mork in his first appearance on Happy Days.After having thought he saw a flying saucer[which was apparently really a GoodYear blimp,or something like it],Richie falls alseep on the livingroom sofa at home,and dreams that he and Fonzie are greeted from Mork from Ork.So Mork,s debut had been a dream of Richie,s.Later on,there is an episode where Richie and Fonzie are visited by Mork for the second time.Mork,s alien powers having put Marion,s birthday bash at a stand still,literally.I believe this second appearance of Mork on Happy Days came shortly after Mork & Mindy had debuted.Not to mention,Richie was not dreaming this time around.You see what I mean?I think the writers sometimes change their minds.If you know what I,m saying.

That is a little trick called "revision" that is practiced by historians and quite a few writers of continuity narratives, i.e. sitcoms, dramas, soap-operas, novels, and even comic books (take "Superman" for example...in his first appearance it is said he came from a "small, green planet"...later retellings of his origin give the planet a name {Krypton}, foster parents, even a tryout identity as "Superboy".)

That's what they did with "Mork and Mindy", and what they SHOULD'VE done with "Good Times"...revise the plot. They could have said, for example, that the Evans family had just moved to Chicago when the show premiered, or that James' full name was "James Henry Evans, Sr.", or anything to reconcile the glaring ambiguities that mark "Good Times" as a unique viewing experience.

But they didn't, and this was not all that unusual for a tv program produced in the seventies. I can name examples of programs produced throughout the history of broadcast television in America where simple things like the main character's home address changes from episode to episode. Or character's middle name. Or ages. Or details of how they came together. When you have an army of writers working on one program, continuity gaffes are unavoidable.

TVFactFan · 03-15-2004, 08:57 AM

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Originally posted by W.J. Griffin
That is a little trick called "revision" that is practiced by historians and quite a few writers of continuity narratives, i.e. sitcoms, dramas, soap-operas, novels, and even comic books (take "Superman" for example...in his first appearance it is said he came from a "small, green planet"...later retellings of his origin give the planet a name {Krypton}, foster parents, even a tryout identity as "Superboy".)

That's what they did with "Mork and Mindy", and what they SHOULD'VE done with "Good Times"...revise the plot. They could have said, for example, that the Evans family had just moved to Chicago when the show premiered, or that James' full name was "James Henry Evans, Sr.", or anything to reconcile the glaring ambiguities that mark "Good Times" as a unique viewing experience.

But they didn't, and this was not all that unusual for a tv program produced in the seventies. I can name examples of programs produced throughout the history of broadcast television in America where simple things like the main character's home address changes from episode to episode. Or character's middle name. Or ages. Or details of how they came together. When you have an army of writers working on one program, continuity gaffes are unavoidable.

That's probably why the writers for Good Times couldn't get other writing jobs after Good Times ended-LOL I wouldn't have hired none of them,

James"Thunder"Early · 03-15-2004, 11:45 AM

Good Times is a spinoff of Maude. the character of Florida Evans originated on Maude. Good Times was not written as a spinoff, but when it was picked up by CBS it was made a spinoff of Maude to give it a head start. when you say it is not a spinoff it makes no sense! Florida did mention being a maid in one episode.

TVFactFan · 03-15-2004, 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by CoolCounty
Good Times is a spinoff of Maude. the character of Florida Evans originated on Maude. Good Times was not written as a spinoff, but when it was picked up by CBS it was made a spinoff of Maude to give it a head start. when you say it is not a spinoff it makes no sense! Florida did mention being a maid in one episode.

She said she was a maid but not for who-LOL She said "when I was A Maid, I was the best damm maid that was".

The writers could have just added Maude's name ad Florida would have said-"When I was Maude"s Maid, i was the best damm maid there was."

James"Thunder"Early · 03-15-2004, 02:26 PM

As I said before, Good Times wasn't written as a spinoff, it was made a spinoff because it was a mid season replacement and spinning it off Maude gave it a head start. Florida didn't have to say she was Maude maid we already knew.

TVFactFan · 03-15-2004, 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by CoolCounty
As I said before, Good Times wasn't written as a spinoff, it was made a spinoff because it was a mid season replacement and spinning it off Maude gave it a head start. Florida didn't have to say she was Maude maid we already knew.

Well i don't know why they would make a spinoff when GT was about the experiences of Eric Monte's life when he grew up in Chicago. Let's just admit that Esther Rolle's character on GT was supposed to be renamed.

Cool Black · 03-26-2004, 02:24 AM

I assume from your name that your mission is to analyze tv, but as a writer I have to say that sometimes you just have to allow for creative license. I don't think any of those changes really matter. As for mentioning Maude even though the shows were owned by the same person it could have been some legal reasons they didn't mention it or they plain ole just wanted to distance themselves from Maude. The show is a seperate entity. I'm glad they the show was based in reality "Eric Monte's life" if that is true and not on some fantasy of what the ghetto "might be like". For people like me who never really saw Maude and really care to...it doesn't matter.

07-06-2003, 01:20 PM	#1
TVFactFan Member Forum Junkie Join Date: Aug 17, 2002 Posts: 99,053	Here is the Difference between the Jeffersons and Good Times Inconsistencies The Jeffersons was a Spinoff and only had one inconsistency When George and Louise left Queens to move to Manhattan, George said they were riding in a limo and Louise had on a Blue Coat. The Inconsistency was in the opening credits, George and Louise were in a cab instead of a limo and Louise had on a Red Coat. Plus the Red Coat is never seen in a Jeffersons episode. Now Good Times is considered a spinoff but has TOO MANY Inconsistencies to be apart of Maude Reality. 1.Husband has Different Name on Good Times 2.The Setting for Good Times was in Chicago 3.Florida never mentions that James was a fireman-She says his past jobs were a dishwasher, laundry helper, night watchman, and floor sweeper 4.Evans never mention anything about living in New York 5.First episode of Good times has the Evans receiving Eviction notice when Florida's husband had a Good job on the Maude episode-Florida's Goodbye 6.Chicago is miles away from New York 7.Florida's husband didn't want her working in nobody kitchen. He didn't mind on Maude. So there are no many UNEXPLAINED things to consider Good Times a spinoff of Maude.

11-22-2003, 07:19 PM	#8
Pug Lover Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Nov 05, 2003 Location: Hamilton Ontario Canada Posts: 467	It,s kind of like how Mork & Mindy was a spin off from Happy Days.The one inconsistency I know of in that situation,was the way they had first introduced Mork in his first appearance on Happy Days.After having thought he saw a flying saucer[which was apparently really a GoodYear blimp,or something like it],Richie falls alseep on the livingroom sofa at home,and dreams that he and Fonzie are greeted from Mork from Ork.So Mork,s debut had been a dream of Richie,s.Later on,there is an episode where Richie and Fonzie are visited by Mork for the second time.Mork,s alien powers having put Marion,s birthday bash at a stand still,literally.I believe this second appearance of Mork on Happy Days came shortly after Mork & Mindy had debuted.Not to mention,Richie was not dreaming this time around.You see what I mean?I think the writers sometimes change their minds.If you know what I,m saying.
	__________________ "Well here,s another nice mess you,ve gotten me into."Laurel & Hardy

11-22-2003, 12:58 PM	#4
Brian Damage I'm Rich Bitch Forum Icon Join Date: Feb 03, 2002 Location: What Ain't No Country I Ever Heard Of...They Speak English in What? Posts: 63,107	He'd tell you that you're being ridiculous and confrontational and that Good Times was a spinoff....no matter how many inconcistencies there might have been.

11-22-2003, 01:00 PM	#5
Brian Damage I'm Rich Bitch Forum Icon Join Date: Feb 03, 2002 Location: What Ain't No Country I Ever Heard Of...They Speak English in What? Posts: 63,107	I defy you to find one article that states that it is not a spinoff. I have thousands that say it is...including yours!!!

11-22-2003, 01:45 PM	#7
Brian Damage I'm Rich Bitch Forum Icon Join Date: Feb 03, 2002 Location: What Ain't No Country I Ever Heard Of...They Speak English in What? Posts: 63,107	Not really aka it is a spinoff because it involves a spinoff of the Florida Evans character and it is not because they tried to put her in a different environment. You can talk about all the inconsistencies you want, the point is, if they spun off Florida Evans from Maude which they did(Your article admitted that) than it is a spinoff. What is wrong with you?

03-15-2004, 11:45 AM	#11
James"Thunder"Early Whoever's In New England Forum Veteran Join Date: Feb 23, 2004 Location: The Apollo Posts: 7,088	Good Times is a spinoff of Maude. the character of Florida Evans originated on Maude. Good Times was not written as a spinoff, but when it was picked up by CBS it was made a spinoff of Maude to give it a head start. when you say it is not a spinoff it makes no sense! Florida did mention being a maid in one episode.

03-15-2004, 02:26 PM	#13
James"Thunder"Early Whoever's In New England Forum Veteran Join Date: Feb 23, 2004 Location: The Apollo Posts: 7,088	As I said before, Good Times wasn't written as a spinoff, it was made a spinoff because it was a mid season replacement and spinning it off Maude gave it a head start. Florida didn't have to say she was Maude maid we already knew.

03-26-2004, 02:24 AM	#15
Cool Black Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Mar 26, 2004 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 7	I assume from your name that your mission is to analyze tv, but as a writer I have to say that sometimes you just have to allow for creative license. I don't think any of those changes really matter. As for mentioning Maude even though the shows were owned by the same person it could have been some legal reasons they didn't mention it or they plain ole just wanted to distance themselves from Maude. The show is a seperate entity. I'm glad they the show was based in reality "Eric Monte's life" if that is true and not on some fantasy of what the ghetto "might be like". For people like me who never really saw Maude and really care to...it doesn't matter.