Van Hagar or Van Roth? - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

AKA · 06-24-2003, 03:20 PM

Discuss.

dlemond · 06-24-2003, 03:50 PM

I'd say that Sammy Hagar had more talent and the better voice, but the misfortune to enter Van Halen when rock was becoming saturated with keyboards and pop.
I know Van Halen was changing with the times and Eddie's guitar is always distinguishable, but the times kinda sucked and it's a little too watered down for my taste.

Roth was there with the bad boy times, the more raw Eddie and Van Halen sound. Everything was new and artisitically Eddie was going to town, and, in my opinion, peaking while Roth was there.

Nothing can beat Van Halen I, Women And Children First, or Fair Warning in my opinion. Though 1984 was a really good album and had some solid rock tunes, it was the precursor to a new Van Halen- which is not the same no matter how you slice it.

I mean, how is "Right Now" by the same band who did "And The Cradle Will Rock"?

Of course if you like the music when Hagar was there, that's fine, but to me it is really not the same. I saw them live about 8 years ago and it just never clicked watching Hagar play the old VH tunes.

They sounded very good though.

Penny Lane · 06-24-2003, 07:27 PM

I like David Lee Roth. More charisma I guess!

ABlairican Pie · 06-24-2003, 11:15 PM

Van Roth, I guess, even though DLR is a better showman than a human being. Sammy Hagar was good and little more professional, in spite of whatever Eddie Van Halen says about him now, but their music was a little too safe by that time.

I read that at one time early on in VH's career, his record company was thinking of replacing Roth with Hagar long before he actually replaced Roth.

Kay Scarpetta · 06-25-2003, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dlemond
Roth was there with the bad boy times, the more raw Eddie and Van Halen sound. Everything was new and artisitically Eddie was going to town, and, in my opinion, peaking while Roth was there.

Nothing can beat Van Halen I, Women And Children First, or Fair Warning in my opinion. Though 1984 was a really good album and had some solid rock tunes, it was the precursor to a new Van Halen- which is not the same no matter how you slice it.

Exactly. It pains me when "Jump" comes on the radio to hear that keyboard. That song could have been 100 times better if Eddie had been playing the guitar.

JDS84 · 06-25-2003, 09:35 PM

Van Roth.

ABlairican Pie · 06-25-2003, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Miss Karly
Exactly. It pains me when "Jump" comes on the radio to hear that keyboard. That song could have been 100 times better if Eddie had been playing the guitar.

Neet. Neet. Neet, Nee-neee, neee neee.

Bweet, Bweet, bwee bwee-nee-nee...

"Might as well hump (HUMP!!) Go ahead and hump..."

Woops. Wrong lyrics.

Eddie Van Halen on keyboards. Sure wasn't anything like "Eruption," that's for sure.

I'll give a six-pack of Vanilla Coke to the first person to tell me which Van Halen song was the FIRST to feature keyboards.

dlemond · 06-26-2003, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Captain ABlairica
Neet. Neet. Neet, Nee-neee, neee neee.

Bweet, Bweet, bwee bwee-nee-nee...

"Might as well hump (HUMP!!) Go ahead and hump..."

Woops. Wrong lyrics.

Eddie Van Halen on keyboards. Sure wasn't anything like "Eruption," that's for sure.

I'll give a six-pack of Vanilla Coke to the first person to tell me which Van Halen song was the FIRST to feature keyboards.

Runnin' With The Devil has keyboards in it- right before it kicks in.
So- first album, first song.

Nighthawk76 · 03-16-2004, 04:20 AM

I would go with Sammy Hagar without a doubt. I love most of the Roth era albums like VH I, Fair Warning and 1984 but Sammy has a far better voice and wrote much more sophisticated lyrics. I also grew up on Hagar in that I didn't start to get really into music until 1988 when I was 12, and Hagar was singing at that point. Songs like "Right Now", "Don't Tell me", "Mine All Mine", "Human's Being" have lyrics that you can really sink your teeth into where as Dave just wrote about girls, partying, girls, hating school, girls, fast cars, did I mention girls? Now, there was nothing wrong with what dave wrote about, after all those things are what rock is all about. But all bands have to grow up and mature at one point and Van Halen did that with Hagar. As of now Mike and Alex are 51 and Eddie is 49, don't you think it would be funny if they were still writing songs about going out on Fridays to party?

Skywalker · 03-16-2004, 04:43 AM

Van Cherone!

Just kidding.

Van Roth

Jrnygrl · 03-16-2004, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dukey
I would go with Sammy Hagar without a doubt. I love most of the Roth era albums like VH I, Fair Warning and 1984 but Sammy has a far better voice and wrote much more sophisticated lyrics. I also grew up on Hagar in that I didn't start to get really into music until 1988 when I was 12, and Hagar was singing at that point. Songs like "Right Now", "Don't Tell me", "Mine All Mine", "Human's Being" have lyrics that you can really sink your teeth into where as Dave just wrote about girls, partying, girls, hating school, girls, fast cars, did I mention girls? Now, there was nothing wrong with what dave wrote about, after all those things are what rock is all about. But all bands have to grow up and mature at one point and Van Halen did that with Hagar. As of now Mike and Alex are 51 and Eddie is 49, don't you think it would be funny if they were still writing songs about going out on Fridays to party?

I have to agree with you. I like them both but if I have to choose it would be Van Hagar.

Nighthawk76 · 03-16-2004, 05:43 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jpnoyes
[B]Van Cherone!

I tried so hard to like Gary Cherone and the III album. I remember Eddie linking III with the 1981 album Fair Warning, as an album you really had to listen to a lot before you really could appreciate it. I just could never get into III or Cherone. Even the single "Without You" which was a good song was ruined by Cherone's voice.

dr frasier crane · 03-16-2004, 07:36 PM

I definitely prefer Van Roth. David Lee Roth rocks! I mean come on those were the best years. I mean Sammy Hagar's great there's no doubt about that, but I just prefer Diamond Dave.

Nighthawk76 · 03-16-2004, 09:29 PM

Dave is great, there is no doubt about that but I do not feel that the band could have ever grown and matured if Dave had remained the frontman. Eddie mentiones all the time that it is all about growing as a musician for him. I don't feel that he would have had as much of a chance to do this without Sammy. Dave could never have sung Dreams or Right Now, both of which were important songs for the band.

robyrob · 03-22-2004, 12:16 AM

06-24-2003, 03:20 PM	#1
AKA Member Forum Star Join Date: Dec 17, 2001 Posts: 15,746	Van Hagar or Van Roth? Discuss.

06-24-2003, 07:27 PM	#3
Penny Lane Butter Pie Forum Icon Join Date: Jul 03, 2001 Location: Beneath the blue suburban skies Posts: 51,261	I like David Lee Roth. More charisma I guess!
	__________________ Vulgarity is no substitute for wit- Lady Violet Crawley

06-24-2003, 11:15 PM	#4
ABlairican Pie Member Forum Superstar Join Date: Dec 12, 2001 Location: Living where cats reign more Supreme than a pizza. Posts: 31,619	re: Van Hagar or Van Roth? Van Roth, I guess, even though DLR is a better showman than a human being. Sammy Hagar was good and little more professional, in spite of whatever Eddie Van Halen says about him now, but their music was a little too safe by that time. I read that at one time early on in VH's career, his record company was thinking of replacing Roth with Hagar long before he actually replaced Roth.
	__________________ Release the kitties. --Nathan Explosion

06-25-2003, 09:35 PM	#6
JDS84 Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 11, 2001 Location: My Old Kentucky Home Posts: 3,377	Van Roth.
	__________________ Jessica

03-16-2004, 07:36 PM	#13
dr frasier crane Imagine Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 26, 2003 Location: Illinois Posts: 489	I definitely prefer Van Roth. David Lee Roth rocks! I mean come on those were the best years. I mean Sammy Hagar's great there's no doubt about that, but I just prefer Diamond Dave. Attached Images
	__________________ "I used to exercise, but the ice kept falling out of my glass." - David Lee Roth

06-24-2003, 03:50 PM	#2
dlemond Hey, I know you. Moderator Forum Veteran Join Date: Dec 03, 2001 Location: New Jersey Posts: 6,751	I'd say that Sammy Hagar had more talent and the better voice, but the misfortune to enter Van Halen when rock was becoming saturated with keyboards and pop. I know Van Halen was changing with the times and Eddie's guitar is always distinguishable, but the times kinda sucked and it's a little too watered down for my taste. Roth was there with the bad boy times, the more raw Eddie and Van Halen sound. Everything was new and artisitically Eddie was going to town, and, in my opinion, peaking while Roth was there. Nothing can beat Van Halen I, Women And Children First, or Fair Warning in my opinion. Though 1984 was a really good album and had some solid rock tunes, it was the precursor to a new Van Halen- which is not the same no matter how you slice it. I mean, how is "Right Now" by the same band who did "And The Cradle Will Rock"? Of course if you like the music when Hagar was there, that's fine, but to me it is really not the same. I saw them live about 8 years ago and it just never clicked watching Hagar play the old VH tunes. They sounded very good though.

03-16-2004, 04:20 AM	#9
Nighthawk76 Rachel Berry Forum Celebrity Join Date: Feb 28, 2003 Location: Illinois Posts: 23,254	I would go with Sammy Hagar without a doubt. I love most of the Roth era albums like VH I, Fair Warning and 1984 but Sammy has a far better voice and wrote much more sophisticated lyrics. I also grew up on Hagar in that I didn't start to get really into music until 1988 when I was 12, and Hagar was singing at that point. Songs like "Right Now", "Don't Tell me", "Mine All Mine", "Human's Being" have lyrics that you can really sink your teeth into where as Dave just wrote about girls, partying, girls, hating school, girls, fast cars, did I mention girls? Now, there was nothing wrong with what dave wrote about, after all those things are what rock is all about. But all bands have to grow up and mature at one point and Van Halen did that with Hagar. As of now Mike and Alex are 51 and Eddie is 49, don't you think it would be funny if they were still writing songs about going out on Fridays to party?

03-16-2004, 04:43 AM	#10
Skywalker Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Apr 04, 2003 Posts: 14,204	Van Cherone! Just kidding. Van Roth

03-16-2004, 05:43 PM	#12
Nighthawk76 Rachel Berry Forum Celebrity Join Date: Feb 28, 2003 Location: Illinois Posts: 23,254	[QUOTE]Originally posted by jpnoyes [B]Van Cherone! I tried so hard to like Gary Cherone and the III album. I remember Eddie linking III with the 1981 album Fair Warning, as an album you really had to listen to a lot before you really could appreciate it. I just could never get into III or Cherone. Even the single "Without You" which was a good song was ruined by Cherone's voice.

03-16-2004, 09:29 PM	#14
Nighthawk76 Rachel Berry Forum Celebrity Join Date: Feb 28, 2003 Location: Illinois Posts: 23,254	Dave is great, there is no doubt about that but I do not feel that the band could have ever grown and matured if Dave had remained the frontman. Eddie mentiones all the time that it is all about growing as a musician for him. I don't feel that he would have had as much of a chance to do this without Sammy. Dave could never have sung Dreams or Right Now, both of which were important songs for the band.

03-22-2004, 12:16 AM	#15
robyrob certified wackball#3 Moderator Forum Icon Join Date: Aug 03, 2003 Location: hiding under the third booth at Arnold's Posts: 58,200
	__________________ * firefox * AdAware * HiJackThis * CoolWebShredder * Spybot * SpywareBlaster * Spyware Terminator * * GeeksToGo * AntiVir * Avast antivirus * Housecall Online * Sysinternals Security Utilities * * ZoneAlarm * Agnitum-firewall * Comodo Firewall * AVG Anti-Rootkit * RootkitRevealer * ParasiteCheck * * Annoyances * FreeCodecs * Mikes-Hosts-File * GRC.com * MSAntispyware * DVD's * TradeList * myspace *