#51- "The Vision of Sugar Plums" and #56- "Samantha Meets The Folks" - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

LucyFan · 05-10-2003, 04:26 PM

Does anyone know if Nick at Nite aired these second season episodes: #51- "The Vision of Sugar Plums" and #56- "Samantha Meets The Folks"? I am curious to know because ironically there are two first season episodes with the the same title of these two episodes. Also, there is 254 episodes of Bewitched, right? Well, according to some episode guides (such as TV Land's) there are 252 episodes. When looking at TV Land's, I have noticed that they have left out episodes #51 and #56. Does anyone know why?

pandora_spocks · 05-10-2003, 06:33 PM

Like I said, they we remakes. I'm not exactly sure if Nick at Nite or even Hallmark showed them. There are only a few changes.

#51 - Is a recut version of # 15 except with a new opening.

#56 - Is a just a recut version of #14.

You can ask around on the Harpies Bizarre board, I'm sure someone on there will know whether or not Nick at Nite has shown these versions.

Larry Tate · 05-14-2003, 04:37 PM

Nope # 51 & # 56 were never seen on N@N & haven't been seen in syndication in the last 15 years or so ,maybe longer,perhaps since the original showing.

Both had new Openings of about 1 1/2 min. & the rest of the episodes were exactly the same & as such is the reason most likely why N@N didn't show them.

Larry Tate

LucyFan · 05-14-2003, 08:58 PM

Okay. Then actually, there is really 252 episodes (instead of 254), right?

Larry Tate · 05-14-2003, 09:30 PM

As SAM would say Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In my view the two episodes are sufficiently different that they should be seen as unique into & of themselves ,so i would say there are 254 episodes in all.

You can just view them as the Mother of all Remakes

Lawrence in his Tatedom

LucyFan · 05-15-2003, 12:11 AM

Well, if they are just about the same as episodes #14 and #15, then wouldn't watching episodes #51 and #56 seem like watching episodes #14 and #15 all over again?

pandora_spocks · 05-15-2003, 12:31 AM

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Originally posted by LucyFan
Well, if they are just about the same as episodes #14 and #15, then wouldn't watching episodes #51 and #56 seem like watching episodes #14 and #15 all over again?

Yeah, I guess but both had different openings. What does it matter. We've been blessed with 252 + 2 remakes. Be happy!

I still consider it 254 episodes though because it sounds better than 252.

Larry Tate · 05-15-2003, 01:34 AM

I suppose one might say that an addtional scene added would make it a new or at least unique episode ,they are not exactly alike,it depends on ones point of view but the additional footage of Liz & Bewitched is so Precious that in my view this would qualify them as unique & even new episodes.

So i would say 254 episodes of Feminine Pulchritude

Larry Tate

LucyFan · 05-17-2003, 02:28 AM

Have anyone of you seen TV Land's updated Bewitched site?
If so, did you notice that their episode guide of the show included episodes #51 and #56 which makes a grand total of 254 episodes? Anyways, I was kind of surprised because I didn't expect those two rare episodes to be included in their episode guide. Well, I guess it shows you that indeed the show has 254 episodes and not 252. I will definitely be going by TV Land's episode guide for Bewitched!

hch · 06-04-2003, 10:51 AM

The number of "Bewitched" episodes are exactly 252 episodes. Those remakes are really NOT considered episodes. Just look at the episode production schedule direct from Screen Gems on www.bewitched.net. I have always known it to be 252 episodes and that was it is officially.

TV Guy · 06-04-2003, 06:14 PM

And they're not really "remakes", either. A remake is an episode that is entirely remade (several early episodes were remade with Dick Sargent, for example). The two episodes in question merely contain a minute or two of new footage. This was done quite a bit for network reruns of "I Love Lucy" -- a minute of introductory footage was added and then the characters flashed back to the original episode. Yet those repackaged episodes are not counted separately (and those reedited shows haven't been seen since the original broadcasts).

Just my opinion, though. Ultimately it's all the same thing, no matter how each person refers to it.

pandora_spocks · 06-04-2003, 06:59 PM

I still consider it 254 episodes though. Those extra two are still listed therefore I count them. I suppose it all depends on how you want to look at it and well I like to include those two.

06-04-2003, 10:51 AM	#10
hch Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jun 07, 2001 Location: Montross, VA 22520 Posts: 983	Actual number of Bewitched episodes The number of "Bewitched" episodes are exactly 252 episodes. Those remakes are really NOT considered episodes. Just look at the episode production schedule direct from Screen Gems on www.bewitched.net. I have always known it to be 252 episodes and that was it is officially.
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05-10-2003, 04:26 PM	#1
LucyFan Still Loving Lucy! Forum Fanatic Join Date: Sep 23, 2001 Location: In the Wonderful World of Lucy! Posts: 8,198	#51- "The Vision of Sugar Plums" and #56- "Samantha Meets The Folks" Does anyone know if Nick at Nite aired these second season episodes: #51- "The Vision of Sugar Plums" and #56- "Samantha Meets The Folks"? I am curious to know because ironically there are two first season episodes with the the same title of these two episodes. Also, there is 254 episodes of Bewitched, right? Well, according to some episode guides (such as TV Land's) there are 252 episodes. When looking at TV Land's, I have noticed that they have left out episodes #51 and #56. Does anyone know why?

05-10-2003, 06:33 PM	#2
pandora_spocks Member Forum Celebrity Join Date: Nov 30, 2002 Posts: 21,532	Like I said, they we remakes. I'm not exactly sure if Nick at Nite or even Hallmark showed them. There are only a few changes. #51 - Is a recut version of # 15 except with a new opening. #56 - Is a just a recut version of #14. You can ask around on the Harpies Bizarre board, I'm sure someone on there will know whether or not Nick at Nite has shown these versions.

05-14-2003, 04:37 PM	#3
Larry Tate Member Senior Member Join Date: Dec 26, 2001 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 1,569	Nope # 51 & # 56 were never seen on N@N & haven't been seen in syndication in the last 15 years or so ,maybe longer,perhaps since the original showing. Both had new Openings of about 1 1/2 min. & the rest of the episodes were exactly the same & as such is the reason most likely why N@N didn't show them. Larry Tate

05-14-2003, 08:58 PM	#4
LucyFan Still Loving Lucy! Forum Fanatic Join Date: Sep 23, 2001 Location: In the Wonderful World of Lucy! Posts: 8,198	Okay. Then actually, there is really 252 episodes (instead of 254), right?

05-14-2003, 09:30 PM	#5
Larry Tate Member Senior Member Join Date: Dec 26, 2001 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 1,569	As SAM would say Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In my view the two episodes are sufficiently different that they should be seen as unique into & of themselves ,so i would say there are 254 episodes in all. You can just view them as the Mother of all Remakes Lawrence in his Tatedom

05-15-2003, 12:11 AM	#6
LucyFan Still Loving Lucy! Forum Fanatic Join Date: Sep 23, 2001 Location: In the Wonderful World of Lucy! Posts: 8,198	Well, if they are just about the same as episodes #14 and #15, then wouldn't watching episodes #51 and #56 seem like watching episodes #14 and #15 all over again?

05-15-2003, 01:34 AM	#8
Larry Tate Member Senior Member Join Date: Dec 26, 2001 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 1,569	I suppose one might say that an addtional scene added would make it a new or at least unique episode ,they are not exactly alike,it depends on ones point of view but the additional footage of Liz & Bewitched is so Precious that in my view this would qualify them as unique & even new episodes. So i would say 254 episodes of Feminine Pulchritude Larry Tate

05-17-2003, 02:28 AM	#9
LucyFan Still Loving Lucy! Forum Fanatic Join Date: Sep 23, 2001 Location: In the Wonderful World of Lucy! Posts: 8,198	Have anyone of you seen TV Land's updated Bewitched site? If so, did you notice that their episode guide of the show included episodes #51 and #56 which makes a grand total of 254 episodes? Anyways, I was kind of surprised because I didn't expect those two rare episodes to be included in their episode guide. Well, I guess it shows you that indeed the show has 254 episodes and not 252. I will definitely be going by TV Land's episode guide for Bewitched!

06-04-2003, 06:14 PM	#11
TV Guy Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 25, 2001 Location: Boston, MA, USA Posts: 3,419	And they're not really "remakes", either. A remake is an episode that is entirely remade (several early episodes were remade with Dick Sargent, for example). The two episodes in question merely contain a minute or two of new footage. This was done quite a bit for network reruns of "I Love Lucy" -- a minute of introductory footage was added and then the characters flashed back to the original episode. Yet those repackaged episodes are not counted separately (and those reedited shows haven't been seen since the original broadcasts). Just my opinion, though. Ultimately it's all the same thing, no matter how each person refers to it.

06-04-2003, 06:59 PM	#12
pandora_spocks Member Forum Celebrity Join Date: Nov 30, 2002 Posts: 21,532	I still consider it 254 episodes though. Those extra two are still listed therefore I count them. I suppose it all depends on how you want to look at it and well I like to include those two.