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garrettgam · 03-19-2003, 06:54 PM

I just wanted to say, before I post my tape trading website link, that I DO NOT sell videos. And I DO NOT buy them. If I want something, don't contact me saying you will sell me, for example, 4 episodes of Golden Girls for 20 bucks(True Story). Selling and Buying is illegal! That's why if you don't have anything to trade, I offer you an opportunity to buy me something on my "shopping list" in exchange. Things on the "shopping list" include BRAND NEW cds, dvds, vhs videos, or dvd box sets. That way I am not breaking any copyright laws. Just thought I would post this, not just for my benefit, but to let everyone know, who may be selling videos, that it is ILLEGAL. Hope this helps people. And also, don't buy any videos. You can get in just as much trouble. And usually saying the money will be for "work", it won't pass it court. I recently saw that issue on a judge show and it wasn't an accurate excuse.
Garrett

mashunter18 · 03-20-2003, 07:27 PM

Send me your link Garrett,maybe we can trade again,Ill email you my have list also.

secret_defender · 03-20-2003, 08:55 PM

Sellers: Don't let this person scare you. They are many people that say the same thing. And each time i find one i ask for them to show me a law that states such a thing but everyone of them fails to do so; i just read the reply this person sent and there wasn't any law that shows it's true.

I have evidence on this page of the Treasure Chest thats shows it's cool to do such a thing: http://secretdefender.sifen7.com/terms.htm

Anyone who would like to show me different evidence are welcome to through a reply here or email me.

garrettgam · 03-20-2003, 09:27 PM

Umm, why do you think on movies, they have the FBI WARNING? Copyrights are just as effective. You are allowed to copy and tape from tv just as long as you do not sell. I know from personal experience. I had a tape website where I was SELLING videos. A network found the site and threatened prosecution and law suit if I didn't take it off. I am telling you, it isn't STATED as a law but it is illegal. If it wasn't I am sure everyone would think, hey, free money! and they would be copying and selling every day. It is a thing called implied laws. Read about it in the books. It is UNDERSTOOD that copying for SELLING is illegal. If you want to continue, do it at your own risk. Just don't come crying to this board when a network is threatening a law suit.
Garrett
Once my tape TRADING website is up, I will post it here. I have been busy and haven't finished it yet.

secret_defender · 03-22-2003, 12:47 AM

Network cannot sue unless they own the rights; they never own them they only to buy usage to air on their station. FBI does handle all copyright. FBI also only handles big cases that gross in profit thousands or more in a months time. In trading and hardly any gross they will do nothing because it isn't worth their time and effort.

The case i have posted and its conclusion: you can tape anything you want to from tv

The other law i have posted states it can be done.

Network leaders and main co-workers do visit ebay and comic conventions where such videos are sold at way higher than my price and nothing is done about it. Such videos get canceled on ebay: yes and no; if you are buddies buddies with them or 1000+ feed they won't do it, also if it was really true that they do cancel then how come if you type 'episodes' as your search you can find pages after pages of such videos; if they did do something about it it only be a few items listed and not pages; there are even dvd rips of movies only in theaters sold there and nothing is done.

I have seen several threats and one just recently to my good friend but i have seen none of them produce any action.

Another evidence not posted: junk stores sell movies that have been released or direct to video on blank tapes and no action is brought under this. These tapes are not hidden they are in plain view for everyone to see. I even sold some at a yard sale before and the shreiff saw it and couldn't care less.

secret_defender · 03-22-2003, 01:15 AM

I would like to end this by saying this: garrettgam = if you disagree show me and the rest who view these messages something anything to back up your side. So far it is talk and talking of others who threated you at one time but didn't produce any action; i have shown several to my side which can be proven of one if interested would do the research as i have. If you have nothing to show then please drop this quarrel for nothing will benefit from it.

Others: if you have something to show on his side please post it, i'm sure others and myself will review over it and see if what i say is wrong. If it is wrong i will take the time to correct my error in my findings.

I don't mean any disrespect from garrettgam; i am just showing him my findings. This person is welcome to stay at his side even through no evidence as of yet to his side that is his / her decision.

ma932588 · 03-22-2003, 03:14 AM

...But , has anyone actually traded with Garettgam before? I only ask this because I contacted him (for the second time)last Decenber as he was looking for certain shows . He expressed how he wanted all the tv shows and movies I mentioned to him I had and I would trade him for episodes of Mama's Family. He said he was moving in a few weeks and his tapes were all packed away, but he'd get back to me soon. Just a couple of weeks later, I notices that he still had the same want list recently put up and I wrote to him asking if he was all done moving. He never replied back to me , which makes me question what kind of trader he is. According to his post up here, he says that if you dont have anything to trade, you can buy videos or DVDs for him that he wants , and I assume have them sent to his house in trade. I'm not saying that he shouldn't ask to do it that way, I did the same thing for someone three years ago, and it turned out fine, but I had had dealings with that person before . I'm only questioning the fact that Garett abruptly ended contact with me and that sets off my "beware" radar. So Garett, talk to me buddy. Did you really move ? Here's my emails in case you need to get in contact with me:

paulc1975@yahoo.com
ma932588@hotmail.com

I await your message!

mashunter18 · 03-22-2003, 09:33 AM

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But , has anyone actually traded with Garettgam before

I traded with him and it was real good,it was a big trade and he treated me real good on it,good copies and all the stuff you want from a trade.

When I was in high school (early 90's)we used to go to a flea market ,and buy all our music cassette's.It was pretty obviuos that they were"bootleg's".They just had them out in the open for sale.

GrapeJelly · 03-22-2003, 09:54 AM

Right outside of Macy's Herald Square on 34th Street in NYC, there are bootleg vendors set up in plain sight with tables full of VHS and DVD knock-offs, often of films not yet released on video. There's police strolling all around the entire day and they never stop or even glance their way.

garrettgam · 03-22-2003, 11:22 AM

All I said was true. I haven't gotten your "recent" email, but I do remember you. During the move my tapes have gotten screwed up and I was trying to go through them all. I am a good trader. I have traded with people before. But this move really screwed my tapes up. You should see them scattered everywhere. My relatives moved them with I was at school and took bad care of them. I will contact you very soon, through the emails in your signature because during the move, I had to get internet access in the new house and I didn't have it for a while and my emails we deleted at hotmail.com, you all know how that is. And secret_defender, I don't know the specific law but all I know is that some network or company contacted me and told me they would sue me if I didn't take it off and that's what I did. All I know is I won't sell my videos ever again so I am sorry if it got into such a crappy discussion. Keep doing what you are doing because I don't know the actual law. But I do know someone contacted me. That's the end of that.
Garrett

secret_defender · 03-22-2003, 12:29 PM

Mashunter & Grapejelly: i appreciate your input

Garrett: you are the first that i ever saw when discussing on message boards about subjects such as this to apolize, i appreciate that but in no means that this is a crappy discussion, i think it is a good way to let beginners know what's going in different situtations and places. I believe you about what you say happened but you have to think about this too when such a thing happens: it can be easily be a fake email from a person who's got nothing better else to do than to ruin a good thing. Also if you don't have your address posted how do this person knows who you are therefore cannot do anything cause there is no name or other personal info.

garrettgam · 03-22-2003, 12:33 PM

Somebody could have faked the email. I actually don't remember what it was. I was pretty young and i just deleted the email quickly and deleted the website. It could have been somebody messing with me. I honestly don't know. But I really am sorry, just that's what happened to me. Oh well, hope to have my site up soon.
Garrett

GrapeJelly · 03-22-2003, 01:16 PM

I don't think it's anything to be sorry for to try and warn people of what you perceive to be a danger so that nothing bad happens to others. I, for one, appreciate everyone sharing their experiences on both sides of the issue. That's how you learn.

Brian · 03-22-2003, 11:14 PM

I don't sell episodes of TV shows at any price. I realize that there is nothing that law enforcement can do about bootlegging but I don't sell because I prefer to get other TV shows in return. It wouldn't do any good to profit from selling shows over the mail because I would have to pay for sending the tapes, which would cancel out the extra money I would make. I prefer to get stufff I don't have than to get money. Also I don't buy episodes of TV shows, either. That is because there are some crooked people out there that can rip you off. Some guy cheated numerous people on these boards and posted under several aliases to cover his tracks. He was banned. I'm sure there are honest sellers but I am not taking any chances.

Sam Malone · 03-23-2003, 11:03 PM

I am an honest seller. I try my best to be as prompt as possible, especially with paying customers. I feel it is important for everyone to be satisfied, and by trading, buying and selling, I try to do that. Also, buying helps people starting out trading. It did with me, at least. With my $30 investment, I got an entire series which I turned around and got another almost-complete series. Money gets you places! If it weren't for the $30 I invested in May 2002, I wouldn't be here trading with over 100 different series today; I would still have 3.

Although selling can be a bad thing in some cases, it can be a good thing too. I guess that's the same way with everything in life. I do not like to see, though, people who sell shows for $40+ for a two-hour tape! I just charge enough to keep myself afloat. It costs money to make the tapes, package them, and ship them.

Just my two cents.

Eric

03-19-2003, 06:54 PM	#1
garrettgam TRADER NO LONGER Frequent Poster Join Date: Jun 19, 2001 Posts: 278	Before Posting my Tape Trading Website... I just wanted to say, before I post my tape trading website link, that I DO NOT sell videos. And I DO NOT buy them. If I want something, don't contact me saying you will sell me, for example, 4 episodes of Golden Girls for 20 bucks(True Story). Selling and Buying is illegal! That's why if you don't have anything to trade, I offer you an opportunity to buy me something on my "shopping list" in exchange. Things on the "shopping list" include BRAND NEW cds, dvds, vhs videos, or dvd box sets. That way I am not breaking any copyright laws. Just thought I would post this, not just for my benefit, but to let everyone know, who may be selling videos, that it is ILLEGAL. Hope this helps people. And also, don't buy any videos. You can get in just as much trouble. And usually saying the money will be for "work", it won't pass it court. I recently saw that issue on a judge show and it wasn't an accurate excuse. Garrett

03-20-2003, 09:27 PM	#4
garrettgam TRADER NO LONGER Frequent Poster Join Date: Jun 19, 2001 Posts: 278	..... Umm, why do you think on movies, they have the FBI WARNING? Copyrights are just as effective. You are allowed to copy and tape from tv just as long as you do not sell. I know from personal experience. I had a tape website where I was SELLING videos. A network found the site and threatened prosecution and law suit if I didn't take it off. I am telling you, it isn't STATED as a law but it is illegal. If it wasn't I am sure everyone would think, hey, free money! and they would be copying and selling every day. It is a thing called implied laws. Read about it in the books. It is UNDERSTOOD that copying for SELLING is illegal. If you want to continue, do it at your own risk. Just don't come crying to this board when a network is threatening a law suit. Garrett Once my tape TRADING website is up, I will post it here. I have been busy and haven't finished it yet.

03-22-2003, 03:14 AM	#7
ma932588 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Dec 10, 2001 Location: canada Posts: 182	Not about this topic... ...But , has anyone actually traded with Garettgam before? I only ask this because I contacted him (for the second time)last Decenber as he was looking for certain shows . He expressed how he wanted all the tv shows and movies I mentioned to him I had and I would trade him for episodes of Mama's Family. He said he was moving in a few weeks and his tapes were all packed away, but he'd get back to me soon. Just a couple of weeks later, I notices that he still had the same want list recently put up and I wrote to him asking if he was all done moving. He never replied back to me , which makes me question what kind of trader he is. According to his post up here, he says that if you dont have anything to trade, you can buy videos or DVDs for him that he wants , and I assume have them sent to his house in trade. I'm not saying that he shouldn't ask to do it that way, I did the same thing for someone three years ago, and it turned out fine, but I had had dealings with that person before . I'm only questioning the fact that Garett abruptly ended contact with me and that sets off my "beware" radar. So Garett, talk to me buddy. Did you really move ? Here's my emails in case you need to get in contact with me: paulc1975@yahoo.com ma932588@hotmail.com I await your message!

03-22-2003, 11:22 AM	#10
garrettgam TRADER NO LONGER Frequent Poster Join Date: Jun 19, 2001 Posts: 278	to ma932588 All I said was true. I haven't gotten your "recent" email, but I do remember you. During the move my tapes have gotten screwed up and I was trying to go through them all. I am a good trader. I have traded with people before. But this move really screwed my tapes up. You should see them scattered everywhere. My relatives moved them with I was at school and took bad care of them. I will contact you very soon, through the emails in your signature because during the move, I had to get internet access in the new house and I didn't have it for a while and my emails we deleted at hotmail.com, you all know how that is. And secret_defender, I don't know the specific law but all I know is that some network or company contacted me and told me they would sue me if I didn't take it off and that's what I did. All I know is I won't sell my videos ever again so I am sorry if it got into such a crappy discussion. Keep doing what you are doing because I don't know the actual law. But I do know someone contacted me. That's the end of that. Garrett

03-22-2003, 12:33 PM	#12
garrettgam TRADER NO LONGER Frequent Poster Join Date: Jun 19, 2001 Posts: 278	yeah..... Somebody could have faked the email. I actually don't remember what it was. I was pretty young and i just deleted the email quickly and deleted the website. It could have been somebody messing with me. I honestly don't know. But I really am sorry, just that's what happened to me. Oh well, hope to have my site up soon. Garrett

03-20-2003, 07:27 PM	#2
mashunter18 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Oct 03, 2002 Location: ohio Posts: 509	Send me your link Garrett,maybe we can trade again,Ill email you my have list also.

03-20-2003, 08:55 PM	#3
secret_defender Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 05, 2002 Posts: 102	Sellers: Don't let this person scare you. They are many people that say the same thing. And each time i find one i ask for them to show me a law that states such a thing but everyone of them fails to do so; i just read the reply this person sent and there wasn't any law that shows it's true. I have evidence on this page of the Treasure Chest thats shows it's cool to do such a thing: http://secretdefender.sifen7.com/terms.htm Anyone who would like to show me different evidence are welcome to through a reply here or email me.

03-22-2003, 12:47 AM	#5
secret_defender Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 05, 2002 Posts: 102	Network cannot sue unless they own the rights; they never own them they only to buy usage to air on their station. FBI does handle all copyright. FBI also only handles big cases that gross in profit thousands or more in a months time. In trading and hardly any gross they will do nothing because it isn't worth their time and effort. The case i have posted and its conclusion: you can tape anything you want to from tv The other law i have posted states it can be done. Network leaders and main co-workers do visit ebay and comic conventions where such videos are sold at way higher than my price and nothing is done about it. Such videos get canceled on ebay: yes and no; if you are buddies buddies with them or 1000+ feed they won't do it, also if it was really true that they do cancel then how come if you type 'episodes' as your search you can find pages after pages of such videos; if they did do something about it it only be a few items listed and not pages; there are even dvd rips of movies only in theaters sold there and nothing is done. I have seen several threats and one just recently to my good friend but i have seen none of them produce any action. Another evidence not posted: junk stores sell movies that have been released or direct to video on blank tapes and no action is brought under this. These tapes are not hidden they are in plain view for everyone to see. I even sold some at a yard sale before and the shreiff saw it and couldn't care less.

03-22-2003, 01:15 AM	#6
secret_defender Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 05, 2002 Posts: 102	I would like to end this by saying this: garrettgam = if you disagree show me and the rest who view these messages something anything to back up your side. So far it is talk and talking of others who threated you at one time but didn't produce any action; i have shown several to my side which can be proven of one if interested would do the research as i have. If you have nothing to show then please drop this quarrel for nothing will benefit from it. Others: if you have something to show on his side please post it, i'm sure others and myself will review over it and see if what i say is wrong. If it is wrong i will take the time to correct my error in my findings. I don't mean any disrespect from garrettgam; i am just showing him my findings. This person is welcome to stay at his side even through no evidence as of yet to his side that is his / her decision.

03-22-2003, 09:54 AM	#9
GrapeJelly Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 18, 2003 Posts: 3,542	Right outside of Macy's Herald Square on 34th Street in NYC, there are bootleg vendors set up in plain sight with tables full of VHS and DVD knock-offs, often of films not yet released on video. There's police strolling all around the entire day and they never stop or even glance their way.

03-22-2003, 12:29 PM	#11
secret_defender Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 05, 2002 Posts: 102	Mashunter & Grapejelly: i appreciate your input Garrett: you are the first that i ever saw when discussing on message boards about subjects such as this to apolize, i appreciate that but in no means that this is a crappy discussion, i think it is a good way to let beginners know what's going in different situtations and places. I believe you about what you say happened but you have to think about this too when such a thing happens: it can be easily be a fake email from a person who's got nothing better else to do than to ruin a good thing. Also if you don't have your address posted how do this person knows who you are therefore cannot do anything cause there is no name or other personal info.

03-22-2003, 01:16 PM	#13
GrapeJelly Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 18, 2003 Posts: 3,542	I don't think it's anything to be sorry for to try and warn people of what you perceive to be a danger so that nothing bad happens to others. I, for one, appreciate everyone sharing their experiences on both sides of the issue. That's how you learn.

03-22-2003, 11:14 PM	#14
Brian Member Forum Celebrity Join Date: Jun 23, 2001 Posts: 20,451	I don't sell episodes of TV shows at any price. I realize that there is nothing that law enforcement can do about bootlegging but I don't sell because I prefer to get other TV shows in return. It wouldn't do any good to profit from selling shows over the mail because I would have to pay for sending the tapes, which would cancel out the extra money I would make. I prefer to get stufff I don't have than to get money. Also I don't buy episodes of TV shows, either. That is because there are some crooked people out there that can rip you off. Some guy cheated numerous people on these boards and posted under several aliases to cover his tracks. He was banned. I'm sure there are honest sellers but I am not taking any chances.

03-23-2003, 11:03 PM	#15
Sam Malone Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jun 14, 2002 Location: Alabama, home of 9 electoral votes for President George W. Bush... TWICE! Posts: 355	I am an honest seller. I try my best to be as prompt as possible, especially with paying customers. I feel it is important for everyone to be satisfied, and by trading, buying and selling, I try to do that. Also, buying helps people starting out trading. It did with me, at least. With my $30 investment, I got an entire series which I turned around and got another almost-complete series. Money gets you places! If it weren't for the $30 I invested in May 2002, I wouldn't be here trading with over 100 different series today; I would still have 3. Although selling can be a bad thing in some cases, it can be a good thing too. I guess that's the same way with everything in life. I do not like to see, though, people who sell shows for $40+ for a two-hour tape! I just charge enough to keep myself afloat. It costs money to make the tapes, package them, and ship them. Just my two cents. Eric
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