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JohnMill · 03-13-2003, 03:28 PM

I watched this segment on UM a few days back (which I had also seen several time previously) about a man named Tim McClure who had been accused of murdering his mother on the evening of his wedding. Mr. McClure requested that UM profiled his case in order so he could clear his name. Unlike other cases in which people have given their Appeals on UM McClure was not convicted of any crime just "under suspicion" - Also at least in my opinion unlike other Appeals cases (such as the often run Pattie Stalling case) McClure IS GUILTY as sin.

Although I don't wanna believe it (as it is unfathomable that a man could kill his elderly mother for any reason) McClure's behaviour indicates otherwise. The fact that he filed papers claiming his mom was dead before she was found (credit card statements etc.) that he searched every Las Vegas parking lot except for the one she was found dead in and that he failed a lie detector test as well as nobody being able to corroborate Tim's whereabouts from the time he walked him mom out of the casino (the last time HE CLAIMS he saw her alive) to when he reported her missing the next morning.

Also McClure's behavior during the segment is very odd he seems compleatley uptight and takes a holier than thou attitude many times and just gives this viewer the impression that he is nothing more than guilty. Sadly if this is the fact the only KNOWN MOTIVE that Tim would have for killing his mom would be to collect on a $5,000 life insurance policy which McClure himself stated was such a small amount of money that he could not believe police thought he could kill his mom to aquire that sum.

Btw for those interested the case was resolved with McClure being arrested but the charges against him being dropped before he got to trial. This is really one UM case that gives me the creeps cause in my heart as McClure tells his tale I KNOW I AM LOOKING AT THE FACE OF A KILLER.

Any thoughts on this case?

Later.

mottabam · 03-13-2003, 11:09 PM

I have been trying desperatly to get this segment on tape. I worked with this person for close to a year in 2000. Email privately for any questions. Would like to purchase a copy of this segment if possible. Thank you.

PracTz · 03-16-2003, 08:10 PM

I thought the alibi was odd. I mean, here he was a 6'5" man with waist-length hair wearing a tux. .yet NO ONE in the casino noticed him gambling the night away?! Who gambles on their honeymoon night. .and, for that matter, why didn't we hear from his bride during the segment? Creepy!

CrushedVelvet · 03-19-2003, 01:40 AM

As much as I wanted to believe this soft-spoken sweet son, evidence against him SCREAMS at me not too. The credit card thing was a major point for me. It IS odd that the wife wasnt interviewed....they both failed the lie detector test...I hope the cops are keeping this case open so that one day they come across that one schred of evidence they need to lock up this guy. Is he still married to the girl?

Thracian · 03-26-2003, 01:28 PM

It was also my impression that he is guilty. The phone call to the credit card company was something that just seemed too odd. Why would the company invent a story about him calling on that date and saying that his mother had been murdered? He said that the dates were mixed up and that they misunderstood him.

I wonder . . .

justins5256 · 04-01-2003, 12:41 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JohnMill
[B]I watched this segment on UM a few days back (which I had also seen several time previously) about a man named Tim McClure who had been accused of murdering his mother on the evening of his wedding. Mr. McClure requested that UM profiled his case in order so he could clear his name. Unlike other cases in which people have given their Appeals on UM McClure was not convicted of any crime just "under suspicion" - Also at least in my opinion unlike other Appeals cases (such as the often run Pattie Stalling case) McClure IS GUILTY as sin.

Ageed. I liked his response about the lie detector test. Something to the effect of "I missed the question about "do you know what happened to your mother?" but got all the others correct...which was just baffeling to me..."

He didn't sound convincing at all.

My two cents.

Justin

JimmyHendricks · 08-03-2006, 03:56 PM

Well, there's a topic in this forum that asks what cases we are "on the fence" about, and this is definitely one for me.

There is the idea that this man took the time to contact UM in an effort to prove his innocence. But there is also some weird things that he did.

**Why did he go looking for his mom's purse? Why not her car? Would he really be able to see a purse driving at 65mph on the highway?

**The biggest one for me was how he searched every casino parking lot for his mom..........except for the one where she was found. Instead, we get the corny "I just had that feeling" comment, which is incredibly suspicious.

Actually, I can forgive the credit card company messing up the date that he called. Yeah, I think that's exactly it. The receptionist wrote down the wrong date. If you read the memo during the segment, all it says is that his mother was "deceased", not that she was murdered.

The lie detector test flunking I can forgive as well. I've never been a fan of those. To me, it doesn't prove anything, it just watches your heartbeat.

However, I was astonished at how many times McClure's explaination of things was basically "I am baffled at how they thought that" or, "I have no idea how that is what they heard", which makes me wonder. There's too many things that he can't really explain.

One more thing: How could his mother's dead body sit in her car in a busy casino parking lot for three days? Didn't anyone see her?

And you could tell the detective in the segment thought McClure was the guy, but just couldn't say it. The tag at the end about Tim being arrested, but the charges being dropped wasn't surprising at all. It's obvious he was going to be charged, and it was obvious most of the evidence wasn't good enough.

Nonetheless, I'm still undecided about it. Right now, I'd say I'm 60/40 that he DIDN'T do it. Seriously, why would he want to kill his own mother?

kadrmas15 · 08-03-2006, 04:23 PM

I have no idea why he would want to kill his own mother. Especially on his wedding night none the less. Well in my view if he killed her it was probably because of the insurance money. But why would a guy knock off his own mother for a puny 5,000 dollar life insurance policy? Was he that desperate for cash? I wanted to believe this guy was innocent but at the end I thought the chances were slightly better than not that he was guilty. What I found was weird was how he claimed to be gambling alone for two hours after the wedding instead of with his bride. I have never heard of someone leaving their new spouse the night of a wedding to go off and spend time alone. Tim McClure to put it nicely is a unique looking individual and would stand out. This is another red flag that no one remembers seeing him at the time he said he was gambling alone. How he went to go look for the purse and not his mother's car and how he knew it was missing before the police had released that information is another red flag. Yet another was when he canceled the credit card, although that could have been a mistake on the company's part in terms of the date he called. However there was just such odd behavior on the part of McCluer, he just acted really weird in the UM interview and his explanations and reactions to things was not typical. I am of the belief that his mom's car was not in that casino parking lot for three days. I think it was probably moved there just hours before she was found. Did McCluer do it? The chances are better than not he did although if he did it the reasons he did it are known only to him. However I dont think he would have been convicted even if this case had went to trial because even though the jury would most likely think he did it they would acquitt him because the evidence simply isnt strong enough, it is too circumstancial. That is why the district attorney refused to prosecute was because he knew that McClure would most likely be acquitted then if any new evidence came up they couldnt try him again.

Mr. Fuji · 08-03-2006, 05:54 PM

I just got done watching this segment. The one thing I missed was how the mother died. Was she shot?

I tend to think that McClure was guilty. Sometimes you can just tell when someone is lying, and that's how I felt when I watched this segment. The being gone for two hours on his honeymoon thing doesn't sit well with me either. And the fact that the question that his wife failed on the polygraph test was "Do you know who killed Mrs. McClure?" is another red flag. If she had no involvement in her death, yet knew who did it, it would make sense that that was the question she missed.

It seems like there are a lot of little things that suggest McClure is guilty, but when you put them all together, it becomes one big thing that suggests he's guilty. Sad, sad case.

crystaldawn · 08-03-2006, 07:18 PM

I may be in the minority here but I've always thought Tim McClure was innocent. It doesn't make sense that he would kill his mother (who by all accounts he was genuinely devoted to) on his wedding day in a public parking lot! It doesn't make sense. Think about where she was when she was found, shot to death in her car in a parking lot of a casino. Her purse was missing so I definitely think robbery was the motive. Her jewelry was still intact but remember it was dark and the killer probably couldn't see it. As for the few questions that showed deception on the polygraph I don't know the answer to that but as they say those tests aren't always accurate. Nonetheless I don't think he was guilty so I'm glad he was never convicted.

PrettyinPink55 · 08-03-2006, 07:19 PM

I'm really on the fence on this one. So much suggests that he may have been involved, yet a big part of me thinks he's innocent (probably his demeanor and like someone above said him being soft-spoken-like, plus his close relationship to his mother.) This is one of those cases where I really don't know what side to take.
Jimmy Hendricks raises some interesting questions though.
Why didn't he look in the one casino where his mother was to be found? He said it was some type of message he was getting from God, not to, right?
The purse thing was the one that confused me the most. Why would he be looking for her purse, and not her car?

I really don't know what to think...

NDAlum2003 · 08-03-2006, 11:13 PM

I haven't sorted my thoughts out about this one but I'm inclined to lean towards the innocent theory. Considering their closeness and the fact that not that much money was involved, it doesn't make sense that he would murder her just like that. That also brings up the question of "If not Tim, then who?" That's an even bigger question because I can't comprehend a murder with no real motive, but stranger things have happened.

PrettyinPink55 · 08-04-2006, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NDAlum2003

I haven't sorted my thoughts out about this one but I'm inclined to lean towards the innocent theory. Considering their closeness and the fact that not that much money was involved, it doesn't make sense that he would murder her just like that. That also brings up the question of "If not Tim, then who?" That's an even bigger question because I can't comprehend a murder with no real motive, but stranger things have happened.

Well exactly...if it was someone else, then why would they do it? What was their motive for killing her?

And then you are right, the money wasn't even all that much, but then the sherriff or someone interviewed said something like "People have killed for less.."

Awsi Dooger · 08-04-2006, 02:57 AM

Now that was impressive, 40 months between posts in this thread, then a flurry. The best part is I can't be accused of bumping it.

Too bad CrushedVelvet stopped posting here. This is several times I've seen her posts in an old thread that was resurrected. I respected her opinion.

Anyway, obviously this case was shown this week but I missed it. I tend to lean toward innocent for the same basic reasons crystaldawn emphasized. She probably stole them from me in a different thread on this topic.

BTW, the opening post says Las Vegas. Is that right? I always thought this happened in Reno. There's the one missing wife case in Laughlin with the older couple, then this one which I always placed in Reno.

wiseguy182 · 08-04-2006, 03:08 AM

I miss CrushedVelvet too. Hopefully she'll return to the message boards one day.

03-13-2003, 03:28 PM	#1
JohnMill Member Occasional Poster Join Date: May 22, 2001 Posts: 85	Timothy McClure = Guilty as sin or not?? I watched this segment on UM a few days back (which I had also seen several time previously) about a man named Tim McClure who had been accused of murdering his mother on the evening of his wedding. Mr. McClure requested that UM profiled his case in order so he could clear his name. Unlike other cases in which people have given their Appeals on UM McClure was not convicted of any crime just "under suspicion" - Also at least in my opinion unlike other Appeals cases (such as the often run Pattie Stalling case) McClure IS GUILTY as sin. Although I don't wanna believe it (as it is unfathomable that a man could kill his elderly mother for any reason) McClure's behaviour indicates otherwise. The fact that he filed papers claiming his mom was dead before she was found (credit card statements etc.) that he searched every Las Vegas parking lot except for the one she was found dead in and that he failed a lie detector test as well as nobody being able to corroborate Tim's whereabouts from the time he walked him mom out of the casino (the last time HE CLAIMS he saw her alive) to when he reported her missing the next morning. Also McClure's behavior during the segment is very odd he seems compleatley uptight and takes a holier than thou attitude many times and just gives this viewer the impression that he is nothing more than guilty. Sadly if this is the fact the only KNOWN MOTIVE that Tim would have for killing his mom would be to collect on a $5,000 life insurance policy which McClure himself stated was such a small amount of money that he could not believe police thought he could kill his mom to aquire that sum. Btw for those interested the case was resolved with McClure being arrested but the charges against him being dropped before he got to trial. This is really one UM case that gives me the creeps cause in my heart as McClure tells his tale I KNOW I AM LOOKING AT THE FACE OF A KILLER. Any thoughts on this case? Later.

03-13-2003, 11:09 PM	#2
mottabam Member Occasional Poster Join Date: May 08, 2002 Posts: 6	McClure I have been trying desperatly to get this segment on tape. I worked with this person for close to a year in 2000. Email privately for any questions. Would like to purchase a copy of this segment if possible. Thank you.

03-16-2003, 08:10 PM	#3
PracTz Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 14, 2002 Location: United States of America [Happily Living in the 20th Century] Posts: 2,711	Thoughts I thought the alibi was odd. I mean, here he was a 6'5" man with waist-length hair wearing a tux. .yet NO ONE in the casino noticed him gambling the night away?! Who gambles on their honeymoon night. .and, for that matter, why didn't we hear from his bride during the segment? Creepy!

03-19-2003, 01:40 AM	#4
CrushedVelvet Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Oct 25, 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 331	As much as I wanted to believe this soft-spoken sweet son, evidence against him SCREAMS at me not too. The credit card thing was a major point for me. It IS odd that the wife wasnt interviewed....they both failed the lie detector test...I hope the cops are keeping this case open so that one day they come across that one schred of evidence they need to lock up this guy. Is he still married to the girl?
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03-26-2003, 01:28 PM	#5
Thracian Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Nov 07, 2002 Posts: 81	It was also my impression that he is guilty. The phone call to the credit card company was something that just seemed too odd. Why would the company invent a story about him calling on that date and saying that his mother had been murdered? He said that the dates were mixed up and that they misunderstood him. I wonder . . .
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04-01-2003, 12:41 PM	#6
justins5256 Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 08, 2002 Posts: 3,866	Re: Timothy McClure = Guilty as sin or not?? [QUOTE]Originally posted by JohnMill [B]I watched this segment on UM a few days back (which I had also seen several time previously) about a man named Tim McClure who had been accused of murdering his mother on the evening of his wedding. Mr. McClure requested that UM profiled his case in order so he could clear his name. Unlike other cases in which people have given their Appeals on UM McClure was not convicted of any crime just "under suspicion" - Also at least in my opinion unlike other Appeals cases (such as the often run Pattie Stalling case) McClure IS GUILTY as sin. Ageed. I liked his response about the lie detector test. Something to the effect of "I missed the question about "do you know what happened to your mother?" but got all the others correct...which was just baffeling to me..." He didn't sound convincing at all. My two cents. Justin

08-03-2006, 03:56 PM	#7
JimmyHendricks Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Sep 11, 2004 Posts: 112	Well, there's a topic in this forum that asks what cases we are "on the fence" about, and this is definitely one for me. There is the idea that this man took the time to contact UM in an effort to prove his innocence. But there is also some weird things that he did. Why did he go looking for his mom's purse? Why not her car? Would he really be able to see a purse driving at 65mph on the highway? The biggest one for me was how he searched every casino parking lot for his mom..........except for the one where she was found. Instead, we get the corny "I just had that feeling" comment, which is incredibly suspicious. Actually, I can forgive the credit card company messing up the date that he called. Yeah, I think that's exactly it. The receptionist wrote down the wrong date. If you read the memo during the segment, all it says is that his mother was "deceased", not that she was murdered. The lie detector test flunking I can forgive as well. I've never been a fan of those. To me, it doesn't prove anything, it just watches your heartbeat. However, I was astonished at how many times McClure's explaination of things was basically "I am baffled at how they thought that" or, "I have no idea how that is what they heard", which makes me wonder. There's too many things that he can't really explain. One more thing: How could his mother's dead body sit in her car in a busy casino parking lot for three days? Didn't anyone see her? And you could tell the detective in the segment thought McClure was the guy, but just couldn't say it. The tag at the end about Tim being arrested, but the charges being dropped wasn't surprising at all. It's obvious he was going to be charged, and it was obvious most of the evidence wasn't good enough. Nonetheless, I'm still undecided about it. Right now, I'd say I'm 60/40 that he DIDN'T do it. Seriously, why would he want to kill his own mother?

08-03-2006, 04:23 PM	#8
kadrmas15 Retired from Board 03/03/11 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,910	I have no idea why he would want to kill his own mother. Especially on his wedding night none the less. Well in my view if he killed her it was probably because of the insurance money. But why would a guy knock off his own mother for a puny 5,000 dollar life insurance policy? Was he that desperate for cash? I wanted to believe this guy was innocent but at the end I thought the chances were slightly better than not that he was guilty. What I found was weird was how he claimed to be gambling alone for two hours after the wedding instead of with his bride. I have never heard of someone leaving their new spouse the night of a wedding to go off and spend time alone. Tim McClure to put it nicely is a unique looking individual and would stand out. This is another red flag that no one remembers seeing him at the time he said he was gambling alone. How he went to go look for the purse and not his mother's car and how he knew it was missing before the police had released that information is another red flag. Yet another was when he canceled the credit card, although that could have been a mistake on the company's part in terms of the date he called. However there was just such odd behavior on the part of McCluer, he just acted really weird in the UM interview and his explanations and reactions to things was not typical. I am of the belief that his mom's car was not in that casino parking lot for three days. I think it was probably moved there just hours before she was found. Did McCluer do it? The chances are better than not he did although if he did it the reasons he did it are known only to him. However I dont think he would have been convicted even if this case had went to trial because even though the jury would most likely think he did it they would acquitt him because the evidence simply isnt strong enough, it is too circumstancial. That is why the district attorney refused to prosecute was because he knew that McClure would most likely be acquitted then if any new evidence came up they couldnt try him again.

08-03-2006, 05:54 PM	#9
Mr. Fuji Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jul 23, 2004 Posts: 235	I just got done watching this segment. The one thing I missed was how the mother died. Was she shot? I tend to think that McClure was guilty. Sometimes you can just tell when someone is lying, and that's how I felt when I watched this segment. The being gone for two hours on his honeymoon thing doesn't sit well with me either. And the fact that the question that his wife failed on the polygraph test was "Do you know who killed Mrs. McClure?" is another red flag. If she had no involvement in her death, yet knew who did it, it would make sense that that was the question she missed. It seems like there are a lot of little things that suggest McClure is guilty, but when you put them all together, it becomes one big thing that suggests he's guilty. Sad, sad case.

08-03-2006, 07:18 PM	#10
crystaldawn Member Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 17, 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,261	I may be in the minority here but I've always thought Tim McClure was innocent. It doesn't make sense that he would kill his mother (who by all accounts he was genuinely devoted to) on his wedding day in a public parking lot! It doesn't make sense. Think about where she was when she was found, shot to death in her car in a parking lot of a casino. Her purse was missing so I definitely think robbery was the motive. Her jewelry was still intact but remember it was dark and the killer probably couldn't see it. As for the few questions that showed deception on the polygraph I don't know the answer to that but as they say those tests aren't always accurate. Nonetheless I don't think he was guilty so I'm glad he was never convicted.

08-03-2006, 07:19 PM	#11
PrettyinPink55 Member Forum Celebrity Join Date: Feb 11, 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 24,601	I'm really on the fence on this one. So much suggests that he may have been involved, yet a big part of me thinks he's innocent (probably his demeanor and like someone above said him being soft-spoken-like, plus his close relationship to his mother.) This is one of those cases where I really don't know what side to take. Jimmy Hendricks raises some interesting questions though. Why didn't he look in the one casino where his mother was to be found? He said it was some type of message he was getting from God, not to, right? The purse thing was the one that confused me the most. Why would he be looking for her purse, and not her car? I really don't know what to think...
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08-03-2006, 11:13 PM	#12
NDAlum2003 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jan 14, 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 216	I haven't sorted my thoughts out about this one but I'm inclined to lean towards the innocent theory. Considering their closeness and the fact that not that much money was involved, it doesn't make sense that he would murder her just like that. That also brings up the question of "If not Tim, then who?" That's an even bigger question because I can't comprehend a murder with no real motive, but stranger things have happened.

08-04-2006, 02:57 AM	#14
Awsi Dooger Member Senior Member Join Date: Feb 18, 2003 Location: Miami Posts: 1,537	Now that was impressive, 40 months between posts in this thread, then a flurry. The best part is I can't be accused of bumping it. Too bad CrushedVelvet stopped posting here. This is several times I've seen her posts in an old thread that was resurrected. I respected her opinion. Anyway, obviously this case was shown this week but I missed it. I tend to lean toward innocent for the same basic reasons crystaldawn emphasized. She probably stole them from me in a different thread on this topic. BTW, the opening post says Las Vegas. Is that right? I always thought this happened in Reno. There's the one missing wife case in Laughlin with the older couple, then this one which I always placed in Reno.

08-04-2006, 03:08 AM	#15
wiseguy182 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 11, 2006 Location: Wendy's salad bar Posts: 7,030	I miss CrushedVelvet too. Hopefully she'll return to the message boards one day.