"Lilith Needs A Favor" Aired 2-4-03... - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

Frasier W. Crane · 02-04-2003, 11:17 PM

How was this episode for everyone? Was it what you hoped?

Dulcineah1 · 02-05-2003, 12:29 AM

Not even close. The worst Lilith episode I've ever seen.

It would have been so much better without that last scene. I don't know what they were thinking, but UGH!! Lilith wasn't missing THAT in her life!

I was surprised that Frasier looked like he would have slept with her. It would have made the episode so much better.

Sitcomwriter · 02-05-2003, 12:46 AM

Actually I think this was one of the better Season 10 episodes if not the best.As always Martin was the best part of the episode.

Dr. Lilith Sternin · 02-05-2003, 01:14 AM

It was absolutely devastating!

Even if they didn't have a child... they could have at least slept together! The sexual tension was so thick, you'd need a knife to cut through it... *sigh*

The Albert stint was SO wrong. Just WRONG. Wrong, wrong, wrong. He is *not* what's missing in her life. Frasier is that void. I wanted her to realize that subconsiously she was missing and needing Frasier, so she developed the idea of *needing* another child as a catharsis, to convince herself that she needed another human being (ironically, one that was part of Frasier) to love her unconditionally, when really she was craving *his* unconditional love.

Yeah, that's what was happening, she just hasn't realized it yet. And hopefully, something horrible will happen with Albert and she'll realize she needs FRASIER, not his sperm!!

Brian Damage · 02-05-2003, 03:04 PM

Well, I think the writers officially destroyed any possibility of a Frasier/Lilith reunion so to speak. I guess Albert will now turn out to be Lilith's new love intrest. I was a little disappointed with how everything turned out. It would've been nice to see Frasier and Lilith have a little sexual tension, instead of him going to a Sperm Bank.

purplefuzzycouch · 02-05-2003, 08:32 PM

it was a good episode BUT it sucked how it ended.Lilith and Frasier just havent realized that THEY ARE MEANT TO BE FOR EACH OTHER.And they cant hear me when Im yelling at the TV when Frasier said it wasnt right for him.It broke my heart I was so happy when he said yes but no.AND Albert?Come on how could she think thats whats missing in her life?lol sorry yes but Frasier and Lilith are supposed to be together forever

Dulcineah1 · 02-06-2003, 02:40 AM

It seems like every Lilith episode supposedly destroys the possibility of a Frasier/Lilith reunion, but it never actually happens. Frasier said he'd never be attracted to her again after Room Service, but he totally would have slept with her last night if she'd asked him to. Hell, Lilith wasn't supposed to be in any episode after The Show Where Lilith Comes Back, and yet she's come back just about every season. (She wasn't supposed to be on past her first episode on Cheers either, actually.)

I don't think the Albert thing is going anywhere. When she was on the Caroline Rhea show today, Bebe sounded less than thrilled about that prospect.

Frasierfan1983 · 03-24-2003, 07:28 PM

Being in the UK, I can never add to the discussion about new episodes when the topics are hot, but I really wanted to say something about this one, seeing as it caused such an outcry a month or so ago.

I'm afraid I just don't get what the fuss is all about. I've seen every Lilith episode of Frasier and it seems blindingly obvious to me that Frasier and Lilith ARE NOT MEANT FOR EACH OTHER!

In the earlier episodes Frasier was occasionally still attracted to her, but since Room Service, when he said he wouldn't be anymore, it looks as though the writers have stuck to that. Also, the times when Frasier did make a move, he always regretted it afterwards and felt stupid. Don't get me wrong, I really like Lilith, but surely it's been made quite clear that Frasier wouldn't want to be with her. Barely an episode goes by when he doesn't refer to their "awful" marriage. Even in "Lilith Needs a Favour" he referred to the fact that they couldn't stand being married to each other.

The message of the episode was that Lilith needed someone to love her, but it wasn't Frasier. And even if it was, there is no doubt that Frasier didn't want her. At no point in the whole episode was there any implication of him wanting to sleep with her, or her with him.

Frasier and Lilith have a rock solid friendship, a son whom they both love, and a great respect for one another. It doesn't look as though the writers want them to have any more than that, and it would go against the whole Frasier/Lilith history of the show if they did.

Tourmaline · 03-27-2003, 06:59 PM

I'd seen some rumblings across various Frasier websites about this episode - I really liked it, even though it's not my favourite of this series. Although the only thing that sticks in my mind now remembering this ep is Frasier's initial joke about masturbation at the start of the Waiting Room scene in the Sperm Clinic. In the UK we had been led to believe that masturbation was confined to HBO etc. Glad to hear otherwise

purplefuzzycouch · 03-27-2003, 10:05 PM

Im sorry but I disagree. Frasier and Lilith are meant to be together.They just have gret chemistry and Lilith is probably the only one that can deal with Frasier. While Frasier is the only one that understands her. To put an end to this THEY ARE MEANT TO BE TOGETHER!

Striel · 03-29-2003, 01:33 PM

I LOVED that episode! I don't think fraiser and Lilith should be together. I loved the whole show from beginning to end.

cheers freak · 06-01-2003, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Frasierfan1983
Being in the UK, I can never add to the discussion about new episodes when the topics are hot, but I really wanted to say something about this one, seeing as it caused such an outcry a month or so ago.

I'm afraid I just don't get what the fuss is all about. I've seen every Lilith episode of Frasier and it seems blindingly obvious to me that Frasier and Lilith ARE NOT MEANT FOR EACH OTHER!

In the earlier episodes Frasier was occasionally still attracted to her, but since Room Service, when he said he wouldn't be anymore, it looks as though the writers have stuck to that. Also, the times when Frasier did make a move, he always regretted it afterwards and felt stupid. Don't get me wrong, I really like Lilith, but surely it's been made quite clear that Frasier wouldn't want to be with her. Barely an episode goes by when he doesn't refer to their "awful" marriage. Even in "Lilith Needs a Favour" he referred to the fact that they couldn't stand being married to each other.

The message of the episode was that Lilith needed someone to love her, but it wasn't Frasier. And even if it was, there is no doubt that Frasier didn't want her. At no point in the whole episode was there any implication of him wanting to sleep with her, or her with him.

Frasier and Lilith have a rock solid friendship, a son whom they both love, and a great respect for one another. It doesn't look as though the writers want them to have any more than that, and it would go against the whole Frasier/Lilith history of the show if they did.

Did you ever watch Cheers? I could see how you might not think that they were meant to be judging form Lilith's Fraiser episodes but if you watch Cheers it's clear they're meant for each other.

Valma · 06-02-2003, 11:52 AM

But Cheers is OVER! And the story has moved on. It's like saying that just because Maris and Niles were married at one time and Maris seemed like she did love him at one time (at least she chose not to have an affair with her fencing instructor), that he should still be married to her. The writers weren't sure in the beginning of the show if they were going to have Niles get together with Daphne and so they wrote Niles as loving Maris and her loving him (in a weird sort of a way). But once it was decided that Niles and Daphne were to be further attracted to each other the writers turned the story in another direction. That is what they have done with Lilith and Frasier. It's the writers who are the masters of this situation and they have clearly shown that Lilith and Frasier are not meant to be together and won't be (and yet remain good friends and great parents). To bring up the Lilith and Frasier from Cheers is like living in the past and negating all the current history of Frasier. You can do that if you want, but it doesn't make it *true*. ;-)

Frasierfan1983 · 06-02-2003, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cheers freak

Did you ever watch Cheers? I could see how you might not think that they were meant to be judging form Lilith's Fraiser episodes but if you watch Cheers it's clear they're meant for each other.

I haven't seen all the Cheers episodes with Lilith, although I've seen a few. The ones I saw showed their marriage to be somewhat less than perfect anyway.

But that's unimportant, because what happened in Cheers has no effect on 'Frasier' in that respect. The scriptwriters have made it clear that they don't want them together, so it's pretty unlikely that plotlines from a different show could have any relevance.

lilith/frasier · 06-02-2003, 04:07 PM

IMO: u need to look back at cheers before u can judge lilith now because if u just go by wat they say now then u will think she never loved frasier or some thing but u can tell she really loved him on cheers and who nows mabe they wont end up to gether but IMO the niles and maris relationdhip was diffrent how so i dont really no but it was and we can wish they would get toghether even if they dont but thats just me.

02-04-2003, 11:17 PM	#1
Frasier W. Crane Farewell, Frasier Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 22, 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 782	"Lilith Needs A Favor" Aired 2-4-03... How was this episode for everyone? Was it what you hoped?
	__________________ George W. Bush: "We Keep Our Word." Almost 3 Million Jobs Lost No Child Left Behind Act Underfunded by $9 Billion 3.8 Million More Americans Lost Health Insurance Small Deficit? Annual Deficit To Exceed $400 Billion in the Next 10 Years 200,000 Veterans Cut From Health System Raids Entire $2.6 Trillion Social Security Trust Fund We need a President who means what he says, and keeps his word. John Kerry is the President that can do that. Sen. John F. Kerry for United States President. HE WILL keep his word. Visit www.johnkerry.com to get more information about the Senator that will turn our country around. https://contribute.johnkerry.com/ind..._code=00014509

02-05-2003, 12:29 AM	#2
Dulcineah1 Princess Dulcineah Frequent Poster Join Date: Jan 12, 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 101	Not even close. The worst Lilith episode I've ever seen. It would have been so much better without that last scene. I don't know what they were thinking, but UGH!! Lilith wasn't missing THAT in her life! I was surprised that Frasier looked like he would have slept with her. It would have made the episode so much better.
	__________________ Oscar: What if Phil finds out? He's bigger than me! Diane: laughs Actually no, he's not. "If you have to ask how to be sexy after 40, you probably can't do it."--Bebe Neuwirth

02-05-2003, 01:14 AM	#4
Dr. Lilith Sternin Ice Cube in Heels Forum Regular Join Date: Jan 31, 2002 Posts: 523	It was absolutely devastating! Even if they didn't have a child... they could have at least slept together! The sexual tension was so thick, you'd need a knife to cut through it... sigh The Albert stint was SO wrong. Just WRONG. Wrong, wrong, wrong. He is not what's missing in her life. Frasier is that void. I wanted her to realize that subconsiously she was missing and needing Frasier, so she developed the idea of needing another child as a catharsis, to convince herself that she needed another human being (ironically, one that was part of Frasier) to love her unconditionally, when really she was craving his unconditional love. Yeah, that's what was happening, she just hasn't realized it yet. And hopefully, something horrible will happen with Albert and she'll realize she needs FRASIER, not his sperm!!
	__________________ "Musical theatre -- it's totally American and when it's good, it's like nothing else." ~Bebe Neuwirth </center> Lilith: I mapped out our dominant and recessive traits on a genome square, applied Mendel's laws, allowed for anomolies, and concluded that you are the best biological choice. Frasier: I see. Well, enticed as I am by your honeyed words, I'm gonna need some kissin'. Lilith: Frasier, don't misunderstand. I'm not proposing any change in our relationship. Frasier: Would we sleep together? Lilith: I thought we'd freeze your sperm. Frasier: Is that a yes or a no? Lilith: Natural fertilization isn't practical. I'd have to fly to Seattle every time I ovulate. Frasier: Right, okay. So then, your plan is for me to visit some local doctor, freeze my essence, and then bring it home with you. Lilith: Correct. I'll take mine to go!

03-24-2003, 07:28 PM	#8
Frasierfan1983 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 16, 2002 Location: UK Posts: 169	Being in the UK, I can never add to the discussion about new episodes when the topics are hot, but I really wanted to say something about this one, seeing as it caused such an outcry a month or so ago. I'm afraid I just don't get what the fuss is all about. I've seen every Lilith episode of Frasier and it seems blindingly obvious to me that Frasier and Lilith ARE NOT MEANT FOR EACH OTHER! In the earlier episodes Frasier was occasionally still attracted to her, but since Room Service, when he said he wouldn't be anymore, it looks as though the writers have stuck to that. Also, the times when Frasier did make a move, he always regretted it afterwards and felt stupid. Don't get me wrong, I really like Lilith, but surely it's been made quite clear that Frasier wouldn't want to be with her. Barely an episode goes by when he doesn't refer to their "awful" marriage. Even in "Lilith Needs a Favour" he referred to the fact that they couldn't stand being married to each other. The message of the episode was that Lilith needed someone to love her, but it wasn't Frasier. And even if it was, there is no doubt that Frasier didn't want her. At no point in the whole episode was there any implication of him wanting to sleep with her, or her with him. Frasier and Lilith have a rock solid friendship, a son whom they both love, and a great respect for one another. It doesn't look as though the writers want them to have any more than that, and it would go against the whole Frasier/Lilith history of the show if they did.
	__________________ Martin: Can you imagine? Lilith's and my kid would be brother to you and Niles AND Freddie. Frasier: What are you talking about? Martin: And if you and Lilith got back together, you'd be his step-father AND his brother, and Niles would be your son... and his own uncle! It's almost worth doing just so that I can tell the story!

03-29-2003, 01:33 PM	#11
Striel Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Mar 28, 2003 Location: earth. Posts: 81	I LOVED that episode! I don't think fraiser and Lilith should be together. I loved the whole show from beginning to end.
	__________________ "I'm sitting here quitely judging you " -magnolia Best debate site EVER--www.theangrytruth.com

02-05-2003, 12:46 AM	#3
Sitcomwriter Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Feb 27, 2001 Posts: 7,356	Actually I think this was one of the better Season 10 episodes if not the best.As always Martin was the best part of the episode.

02-05-2003, 03:04 PM	#5
Brian Damage I'm Rich Bitch Forum Icon Join Date: Feb 03, 2002 Location: What Ain't No Country I Ever Heard Of...They Speak English in What? Posts: 63,107	Well, I think the writers officially destroyed any possibility of a Frasier/Lilith reunion so to speak. I guess Albert will now turn out to be Lilith's new love intrest. I was a little disappointed with how everything turned out. It would've been nice to see Frasier and Lilith have a little sexual tension, instead of him going to a Sperm Bank.

02-05-2003, 08:32 PM	#6
purplefuzzycouch Bebe Neuwirth fan! Frequent Poster Join Date: Sep 04, 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 168	it was a good episode BUT it sucked how it ended.Lilith and Frasier just havent realized that THEY ARE MEANT TO BE FOR EACH OTHER.And they cant hear me when Im yelling at the TV when Frasier said it wasnt right for him.It broke my heart I was so happy when he said yes but no.AND Albert?Come on how could she think thats whats missing in her life?lol sorry yes but Frasier and Lilith are supposed to be together forever

02-06-2003, 02:40 AM	#7
Dulcineah1 Princess Dulcineah Frequent Poster Join Date: Jan 12, 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 101	It seems like every Lilith episode supposedly destroys the possibility of a Frasier/Lilith reunion, but it never actually happens. Frasier said he'd never be attracted to her again after Room Service, but he totally would have slept with her last night if she'd asked him to. Hell, Lilith wasn't supposed to be in any episode after The Show Where Lilith Comes Back, and yet she's come back just about every season. (She wasn't supposed to be on past her first episode on Cheers either, actually.) I don't think the Albert thing is going anywhere. When she was on the Caroline Rhea show today, Bebe sounded less than thrilled about that prospect.

03-27-2003, 06:59 PM	#9
Tourmaline Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Mar 10, 2002 Location: West Midlands, UK Posts: 71	I'd seen some rumblings across various Frasier websites about this episode - I really liked it, even though it's not my favourite of this series. Although the only thing that sticks in my mind now remembering this ep is Frasier's initial joke about masturbation at the start of the Waiting Room scene in the Sperm Clinic. In the UK we had been led to believe that masturbation was confined to HBO etc. Glad to hear otherwise

03-27-2003, 10:05 PM	#10
purplefuzzycouch Bebe Neuwirth fan! Frequent Poster Join Date: Sep 04, 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 168	Im sorry but I disagree. Frasier and Lilith are meant to be together.They just have gret chemistry and Lilith is probably the only one that can deal with Frasier. While Frasier is the only one that understands her. To put an end to this THEY ARE MEANT TO BE TOGETHER!

06-02-2003, 11:52 AM	#13
Valma Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Nov 09, 2002 Posts: 95	But Cheers is OVER! And the story has moved on. It's like saying that just because Maris and Niles were married at one time and Maris seemed like she did love him at one time (at least she chose not to have an affair with her fencing instructor), that he should still be married to her. The writers weren't sure in the beginning of the show if they were going to have Niles get together with Daphne and so they wrote Niles as loving Maris and her loving him (in a weird sort of a way). But once it was decided that Niles and Daphne were to be further attracted to each other the writers turned the story in another direction. That is what they have done with Lilith and Frasier. It's the writers who are the masters of this situation and they have clearly shown that Lilith and Frasier are not meant to be together and won't be (and yet remain good friends and great parents). To bring up the Lilith and Frasier from Cheers is like living in the past and negating all the current history of Frasier. You can do that if you want, but it doesn't make it true. ;-)

06-02-2003, 04:07 PM	#15
lilith/frasier britt cheers freak Occasional Poster Join Date: May 11, 2003 Location: my computer Posts: 69	IMO: u need to look back at cheers before u can judge lilith now because if u just go by wat they say now then u will think she never loved frasier or some thing but u can tell she really loved him on cheers and who nows mabe they wont end up to gether but IMO the niles and maris relationdhip was diffrent how so i dont really no but it was and we can wish they would get toghether even if they dont but thats just me.
	__________________ bebe neuwirth rocks lilith is really cool molly and britt: friths biggest fans

Stream all episodes of Frasier now exclusively on Paramount+. Try it FREE!