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Pitooey · 10-28-2001, 10:26 AM

I know this is not a Chico/Freddie topic but, Last night I went to ground zero in Manhattan.

I went in the evening time. It looks so pitiful. There seemed to be a heavy fog and there were 2 big cranes that shone brightly in the evening sky. There's still smoke billowing out so I got confused.... Is it fog or smoke?

Living here you see such a drastic change in the skyline. It hurts alot. I remembered when I was at the twin towers to see the making of the 2nd King Kong movie with Jessica Lange. I was one of the thousands of people that evening looking at King Kong on the ground in the end of the movie. Now when you look at the skiyline you see such a huge empty gap and you know what's under all that rubble.

I also saw the Empire State Building with it's red/white and blue lights. People (tourist) were photographing the building as I passed by. Then to lift up my somber, somber mood I saw a parade of people dressed up for Halloween. They were laughing and seemed to have a good time. I saw this lady with the biggest Cinderella ballgown. It was huge.... She almost took the whole sidewalk walking with it on.

So here in New York amongst the biggest catasrophe...... are the Halloween revelers all geared up for Halloween. I just wanted to share this with all of you. God Bless America!!!

[This message has been edited by JennyLee22 (edited 10-28-2001).]

LADY LOVES FREDDIE · 10-28-2001, 11:14 AM

I cant even imagine the devistation.Its so horrible just on tv.Its like watching a movie.It dont seem real but to you who have to see it face to face, first hand must be a nightmare.So many lives lost.Its heartbreaking.Its hard to believe theres that kind of evil in this world.

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chicosladyfair · 10-28-2001, 12:06 PM

JennyLee,
It's still so hard to believe that those buildings are gone. If someone would have told me a year ago that this was going to happen I would have said they were nuts.
I had heard someone on the news say something that is so true and poignant of the moment and even living on the west coast like I do it's still true...on Sept. 11 we all became New Yorkers!
I think it's a good thing that we talk about this. I encourage it in my home with my kids. The little ones need to talk about their concerns and fears...it's on TV all the time. My son has fears about anthrax so we talk to him about where it's showing up at and why...we tell him that there is medication to take for it that will make you better.
I believe that this is a Freddie topic...we all met here thru this man...we've gotten to know each other and shared thoughts and ideas. We've celebrated birthdays with each other and trumpeted each of our creative endeavors. We're like family here and family may not always agree on things or even like each other sometimes but family comes together to comfort each other when it's needed most.

croiter · 10-28-2001, 01:04 PM

I agree, those buildings should have stood until the end of the world. But nothing is forever. By the way, JennyLee, the smoke you were seeing is from small fires still burning under the rubble. That's what they said on the news this morning. I see the Empire State Building every day on my way to work and it's great to see, but I wish we could somehow turn back the clock and save those towers. I passed through them every day and I miss them.

Luckymama58 · 10-28-2001, 02:22 PM

You know something.. I grew up in the New York City area (LI) and was in junior high when those towers were constructed. I remember them going up and how it was a big deal that they were taller than the Empire State building. I never had the opportunity to go up in them to the top, but I did go up the Empire State building as a kid, before the towers, and I always thought that NYC from that altitude was a grand site. It has been 2 and a half months now and I still can not look at pictures of NYC with out them. I guess I'm in some sort of denial, I mean, I know it happened, but part of me still does not want to face reality and looking at the rubble and the NYC skyline will be that reality. I'm not sure what that shock will do to me. My heart and prayers go out to my fellow NYers, Jenny Lee, Croiter, Ed Jr (yeah, I know, NJ but close enough, you can see the skyline!) and anyone else I'm missing. I may be from WV now, but NYers are the BEST!!!

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Cause I'm the mama, that's why!!!

Do not judge a man until you have walked a mile in his moccasins...Old Indian Proverb

Karen64 · 10-28-2001, 06:35 PM

I've never been to New York; never saw the twin towers in person. However, when the terrorists attacked, I felt a deep personal loss. All those innocent lives! I couldn't take my mind off it--I was overcome with sadness, anger, I tossed and turned at night-(I still do...) I imagine it would be a thousand times more difficult for New Yorkers. (Also those around the Pentagon, too).
I think it's great that people are dressing up for Halloween and getting back to their normal lives--moving towards getting back to normal, is, after all, a part of the grieving process. We have to show the terrorists that we are strong and that we are not terrorized!!
GOD BLESS THE USA!!!!

Pitooey · 10-28-2001, 09:48 PM

The sad part is that my 10 year old son gets so sad when we drive to Manhattan and he doesn't see the twin towers anymore. He cries, but quietly.

His grandma lives in Manhattan so everytime we visit her we had to pass the twin towers and the Statue of Liberty. He use to get excited seeing the twin towers. From Grandma's window we could see the Empire State building. My son is very sad about this dreadful tragedy.

You are right Chicosladyfair we did become like a family through our love for Freddie.

Pitooey · 10-28-2001, 09:59 PM

For the people who never visited the twin towers the thing I loved most about them was the restaurant on top of the towers. It was called Windows on the world and it had a whole big gigantic view of the water and the buildings and you would sit by the windows and look at the view all the while enjoying a scrumptious dinner and a drink or two. I will never forget it. If you went in the evening you could see all the twinkling lights and the ships passing by.

Also the shopping was fabulous. Loads of stores just like a mall. They had lots of concerts at lunchtime the people would just eat lunch and enjoy the concerts. At Christmas time there would be a big beautiful Christmas tree and the children would go there and receive gifts from Santa Claus. Plus there would be fruits and vegetables from the Farmers market. I remember going there and seeing pumpkin pies, apple pies even sweet potato pies freshly made. Apple cider galore plus lots of vendors selling turquoise jewelry.

Cheryl Harrell · 10-28-2001, 10:01 PM

It's so sad. Last time I went to NYC was before they had the towers. Guess I'll never get to see them. We'll keep ya in our thoughts & prayers NYC folks... Peace & God Bless...

chicosladyfair · 10-28-2001, 11:15 PM

JennyLee, I had no idea all those things were inside the Trade Center. I always thought it was just offices and businesses.
WOW!! It was a virtual world of it's own going on in there.
Tell your son that I am praying for him, you and all those effected by all of this. We, as parents, never thought our children would have to see this sort of thing. I was too young to really remember the toll of Viet Nam even though I studied it in school...and my daughter who's 15 is too young to remember the Gulf War.
Karen...I know exactly how you feel. It is a personal thing. I felt a lot of depression afterward...I mean A LOT of depression. Sept.11 was my birthday so I went from feeling angry that those idiots chose that day...then I felt guilty for thinking so selfishly when people had lost their lives...then I went thru the major depression of hearing how that day would live as the darkest day in history. I had even thought of trying to have my birthday changed. I had to call my doctor the other day and the receptionist always asks for date of birth...I could hear her say "OH NO!" when I told her. I know there are millions of people who have birthdays on that day and it will never be the same for them...I know it won't be for me.
All I can do is try to gather strength from the Lord..."As goes the shepard so goes the sheep"

Pitooey · 10-29-2001, 10:18 AM

Chicosladyfair - I remember it was your birthday on that day. Why they chose that day we'll never know. Anyway my birthday is in Septemeber too. 10 days after the tragedy. I feel for you. Just continue walking alongside God and pray.

[This message has been edited by JennyLee22 (edited 10-29-2001).]

croiter · 10-29-2001, 02:49 PM

I spent many a Friday or Saturday night at Windows on the World. Also, when I was writing for magazines I went to conferences on the 106th or the 107th floor and I remember daydreaming, looking out the window at the Statue of Liberty. Also, on the 109th floor there was a huge beautiful cafeteria with all sorts of memorabilia and stuff and you could take pictures from all around the cafeteria, which was encased in glass.

I bought clothes from the WTC. I usually shopped at J. Crew and sometimes I went to the huge Sam Goody record store to buy CDs.

And what about the Godiva chocolate shop? And all the newsstands and Borders Books, which occupied two or three levels -- all gone...And the best hotdogs in NY were sold right outside....so sad, there really was a lot of stuff taken from us on Sept. 11.

croiter · 10-29-2001, 02:50 PM

I spent many a Friday or Saturday night at Windows on the World. Also, when I was writing for magazines I went to conferences on the 106th or the 107th floor and I remember daydreaming, looking out the window at the Statue of Liberty. Also, on the 109th floor there was a huge beautiful cafeteria with all sorts of memorabilia and stuff and you could take pictures from all around the cafeteria, which was encased in glass.

I bought clothes from the WTC. I usually shopped at J. Crew and sometimes I went to the huge Sam Goody record store to buy CDs.

And what about the Godiva chocolate shop? And all the newsstands and Borders Books, which occupied two or three levels -- all gone...And the best hotdogs in NY were sold right outside....so sad, there really was a lot of stuff taken from us on Sept. 11.

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Cheryl Harrell · 10-29-2001, 06:30 PM

It sounds like they had alot of neat sutff in there...

Pitooey · 10-29-2001, 08:49 PM

I forgot to tell you....... I use to go dancing on the 40 something floor. There was a discoteque and after work on Fridays, I would go there and dance, dance, dance.........

I was pretty lucky though I have to admit because my hubby went to Sam Goody's the day before to buy a CD. We were just talking about this on Sunday because he still has the receipt and it says Sept. 10. I told him to save the receipt.

10-28-2001, 10:26 AM	#1
Pitooey Member Forum Star Join Date: Feb 15, 2001 Location: Rocking in Transylvania. Posts: 15,042	Ground Zero I know this is not a Chico/Freddie topic but, Last night I went to ground zero in Manhattan. I went in the evening time. It looks so pitiful. There seemed to be a heavy fog and there were 2 big cranes that shone brightly in the evening sky. There's still smoke billowing out so I got confused.... Is it fog or smoke? Living here you see such a drastic change in the skyline. It hurts alot. I remembered when I was at the twin towers to see the making of the 2nd King Kong movie with Jessica Lange. I was one of the thousands of people that evening looking at King Kong on the ground in the end of the movie. Now when you look at the skiyline you see such a huge empty gap and you know what's under all that rubble. I also saw the Empire State Building with it's red/white and blue lights. People (tourist) were photographing the building as I passed by. Then to lift up my somber, somber mood I saw a parade of people dressed up for Halloween. They were laughing and seemed to have a good time. I saw this lady with the biggest Cinderella ballgown. It was huge.... She almost took the whole sidewalk walking with it on. So here in New York amongst the biggest catasrophe...... are the Halloween revelers all geared up for Halloween. I just wanted to share this with all of you. God Bless America!!! [This message has been edited by JennyLee22 (edited 10-28-2001).]

10-28-2001, 11:14 AM	#2
LADY LOVES FREDDIE Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jul 26, 2001 Location: California Posts: 312	I cant even imagine the devistation.Its so horrible just on tv.Its like watching a movie.It dont seem real but to you who have to see it face to face, first hand must be a nightmare.So many lives lost.Its heartbreaking.Its hard to believe theres that kind of evil in this world. ------------------

10-28-2001, 12:06 PM	#3
chicosladyfair Member Forum Regular Join Date: Apr 10, 2001 Location: Sunny California Posts: 770	JennyLee, It's still so hard to believe that those buildings are gone. If someone would have told me a year ago that this was going to happen I would have said they were nuts. I had heard someone on the news say something that is so true and poignant of the moment and even living on the west coast like I do it's still true...on Sept. 11 we all became New Yorkers! I think it's a good thing that we talk about this. I encourage it in my home with my kids. The little ones need to talk about their concerns and fears...it's on TV all the time. My son has fears about anthrax so we talk to him about where it's showing up at and why...we tell him that there is medication to take for it that will make you better. I believe that this is a Freddie topic...we all met here thru this man...we've gotten to know each other and shared thoughts and ideas. We've celebrated birthdays with each other and trumpeted each of our creative endeavors. We're like family here and family may not always agree on things or even like each other sometimes but family comes together to comfort each other when it's needed most.

10-28-2001, 01:04 PM	#4
croiter Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Mar 26, 2001 Posts: 232	I agree, those buildings should have stood until the end of the world. But nothing is forever. By the way, JennyLee, the smoke you were seeing is from small fires still burning under the rubble. That's what they said on the news this morning. I see the Empire State Building every day on my way to work and it's great to see, but I wish we could somehow turn back the clock and save those towers. I passed through them every day and I miss them.

10-28-2001, 02:22 PM	#5
Luckymama58 Math Geeks Unite! Senior Member Join Date: Mar 18, 2001 Location: In my rock and roll fantasy Posts: 2,553	You know something.. I grew up in the New York City area (LI) and was in junior high when those towers were constructed. I remember them going up and how it was a big deal that they were taller than the Empire State building. I never had the opportunity to go up in them to the top, but I did go up the Empire State building as a kid, before the towers, and I always thought that NYC from that altitude was a grand site. It has been 2 and a half months now and I still can not look at pictures of NYC with out them. I guess I'm in some sort of denial, I mean, I know it happened, but part of me still does not want to face reality and looking at the rubble and the NYC skyline will be that reality. I'm not sure what that shock will do to me. My heart and prayers go out to my fellow NYers, Jenny Lee, Croiter, Ed Jr (yeah, I know, NJ but close enough, you can see the skyline!) and anyone else I'm missing. I may be from WV now, but NYers are the BEST!!! ------------------ Cause I'm the mama, that's why!!! Do not judge a man until you have walked a mile in his moccasins...Old Indian Proverb

10-28-2001, 06:35 PM	#6
Karen64 Comedy Fan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 24, 2001 Location: Kansas Posts: 1,412	I've never been to New York; never saw the twin towers in person. However, when the terrorists attacked, I felt a deep personal loss. All those innocent lives! I couldn't take my mind off it--I was overcome with sadness, anger, I tossed and turned at night-(I still do...) I imagine it would be a thousand times more difficult for New Yorkers. (Also those around the Pentagon, too). I think it's great that people are dressing up for Halloween and getting back to their normal lives--moving towards getting back to normal, is, after all, a part of the grieving process. We have to show the terrorists that we are strong and that we are not terrorized!! GOD BLESS THE USA!!!!

10-28-2001, 09:48 PM	#7
Pitooey Member Forum Star Join Date: Feb 15, 2001 Location: Rocking in Transylvania. Posts: 15,042	The sad part is that my 10 year old son gets so sad when we drive to Manhattan and he doesn't see the twin towers anymore. He cries, but quietly. His grandma lives in Manhattan so everytime we visit her we had to pass the twin towers and the Statue of Liberty. He use to get excited seeing the twin towers. From Grandma's window we could see the Empire State building. My son is very sad about this dreadful tragedy. You are right Chicosladyfair we did become like a family through our love for Freddie.

10-28-2001, 09:59 PM	#8
Pitooey Member Forum Star Join Date: Feb 15, 2001 Location: Rocking in Transylvania. Posts: 15,042	For the people who never visited the twin towers the thing I loved most about them was the restaurant on top of the towers. It was called Windows on the world and it had a whole big gigantic view of the water and the buildings and you would sit by the windows and look at the view all the while enjoying a scrumptious dinner and a drink or two. I will never forget it. If you went in the evening you could see all the twinkling lights and the ships passing by. Also the shopping was fabulous. Loads of stores just like a mall. They had lots of concerts at lunchtime the people would just eat lunch and enjoy the concerts. At Christmas time there would be a big beautiful Christmas tree and the children would go there and receive gifts from Santa Claus. Plus there would be fruits and vegetables from the Farmers market. I remember going there and seeing pumpkin pies, apple pies even sweet potato pies freshly made. Apple cider galore plus lots of vendors selling turquoise jewelry.

10-28-2001, 10:01 PM	#9
Cheryl Harrell I Love You Mike 4-Ever Forum Veteran Join Date: Mar 23, 2001 Location: Pixley!!!! Actually VA--USA LOL! Posts: 6,192	It's so sad. Last time I went to NYC was before they had the towers. Guess I'll never get to see them. We'll keep ya in our thoughts & prayers NYC folks... Peace & God Bless...

10-28-2001, 11:15 PM	#10
chicosladyfair Member Forum Regular Join Date: Apr 10, 2001 Location: Sunny California Posts: 770	JennyLee, I had no idea all those things were inside the Trade Center. I always thought it was just offices and businesses. WOW!! It was a virtual world of it's own going on in there. Tell your son that I am praying for him, you and all those effected by all of this. We, as parents, never thought our children would have to see this sort of thing. I was too young to really remember the toll of Viet Nam even though I studied it in school...and my daughter who's 15 is too young to remember the Gulf War. Karen...I know exactly how you feel. It is a personal thing. I felt a lot of depression afterward...I mean A LOT of depression. Sept.11 was my birthday so I went from feeling angry that those idiots chose that day...then I felt guilty for thinking so selfishly when people had lost their lives...then I went thru the major depression of hearing how that day would live as the darkest day in history. I had even thought of trying to have my birthday changed. I had to call my doctor the other day and the receptionist always asks for date of birth...I could hear her say "OH NO!" when I told her. I know there are millions of people who have birthdays on that day and it will never be the same for them...I know it won't be for me. All I can do is try to gather strength from the Lord..."As goes the shepard so goes the sheep"

10-29-2001, 10:18 AM	#11
Pitooey Member Forum Star Join Date: Feb 15, 2001 Location: Rocking in Transylvania. Posts: 15,042	Chicosladyfair - I remember it was your birthday on that day. Why they chose that day we'll never know. Anyway my birthday is in Septemeber too. 10 days after the tragedy. I feel for you. Just continue walking alongside God and pray. [This message has been edited by JennyLee22 (edited 10-29-2001).]

10-29-2001, 02:49 PM	#12
croiter Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Mar 26, 2001 Posts: 232	I spent many a Friday or Saturday night at Windows on the World. Also, when I was writing for magazines I went to conferences on the 106th or the 107th floor and I remember daydreaming, looking out the window at the Statue of Liberty. Also, on the 109th floor there was a huge beautiful cafeteria with all sorts of memorabilia and stuff and you could take pictures from all around the cafeteria, which was encased in glass. I bought clothes from the WTC. I usually shopped at J. Crew and sometimes I went to the huge Sam Goody record store to buy CDs. And what about the Godiva chocolate shop? And all the newsstands and Borders Books, which occupied two or three levels -- all gone...And the best hotdogs in NY were sold right outside....so sad, there really was a lot of stuff taken from us on Sept. 11.

10-29-2001, 02:50 PM	#13
croiter Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Mar 26, 2001 Posts: 232	I spent many a Friday or Saturday night at Windows on the World. Also, when I was writing for magazines I went to conferences on the 106th or the 107th floor and I remember daydreaming, looking out the window at the Statue of Liberty. Also, on the 109th floor there was a huge beautiful cafeteria with all sorts of memorabilia and stuff and you could take pictures from all around the cafeteria, which was encased in glass. I bought clothes from the WTC. I usually shopped at J. Crew and sometimes I went to the huge Sam Goody record store to buy CDs. And what about the Godiva chocolate shop? And all the newsstands and Borders Books, which occupied two or three levels -- all gone...And the best hotdogs in NY were sold right outside....so sad, there really was a lot of stuff taken from us on Sept. 11. ------------------

10-29-2001, 06:30 PM	#14
Cheryl Harrell I Love You Mike 4-Ever Forum Veteran Join Date: Mar 23, 2001 Location: Pixley!!!! Actually VA--USA LOL! Posts: 6,192	It sounds like they had alot of neat sutff in there...

10-29-2001, 08:49 PM	#15
Pitooey Member Forum Star Join Date: Feb 15, 2001 Location: Rocking in Transylvania. Posts: 15,042	I forgot to tell you....... I use to go dancing on the 40 something floor. There was a discoteque and after work on Fridays, I would go there and dance, dance, dance......... I was pretty lucky though I have to admit because my hubby went to Sam Goody's the day before to buy a CD. We were just talking about this on Sunday because he still has the receipt and it says Sept. 10. I told him to save the receipt.