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ABlairican Pie · 11-24-2002, 11:42 PM

I have been looking over Lisa's latest journal entry and noticed the part about her son buying a secular CD which has one good song over a handful of "evil, questionable" songs. He says he likes the songs because he wants to lean the guitar solos and become a better musician. She explains that say you open the door to a room which has scorpions and snakes and the whole bit, but there are a $100 bills scattered throughout, which would almost justify the risk of entering, but...well, you can read there.
So she says he can't have the CD and should just stick with listening to safe Christian music even though the music is arguably LESS valuable.

SHE ADMITS THAT CHRISTIAN MUSIC IS SECOND RATE!!!!

So here's my question to her: We all know that rock & roll is full of great musicians with lifestyles we find questionable. For her son to become a better musician, would he have to IGNORE the
musical contributions of Jimi Hendrix, Jimmy Page, Keith Richards,
Eric Clapton, Angus Young, Randy Rhoads, and others because of
their unpleasant lifestyles?

MrsGarrettRocksMySocks · 11-25-2002, 12:00 AM

i think that everntually, whether Lisa wants him to or not, Tucker's gonna find out about all that. Course, I'm also waiting for the day when her kids enter their whole, "WHY DO YOU FORCE ME TO GO TO CHURCH?!" stage...

jayman75 · 11-25-2002, 12:08 AM

No parent can ever keep total control over his or her children. They are exposed to the "real world" everyday, even though the shelter of parenthood tries to hide a lot of it.

I think that maybe they should compromise... try to find some music out there (The Beatles, Hendrix, etc) and find some songs they can appreciate and Tucker can learn from. With internet downloads and CD burners all over the place, it's totally possible to "make" a CD that would be good for him without pushing the envelope too much.

¤I Love Clay Aiken¤ · 11-25-2002, 12:23 AM

She should let her children have a little independence NOW, so that by the time theyre 16/17 theyre not out getting drunk, smoking weed, and her lil daughter doesnt come home with a baby. Keeping a child locked from everyday life only makes the kid more resentful of their parents and are more eager to set free. She should let him have the CD.. maybe she could get the bleeped version so he cant hear the bad language.

Shelley · 11-25-2002, 12:52 AM

Please close this thread before things get out of hand.

DarleneIllyria · 11-25-2002, 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ¤MsConanOBrien¤
She should let her children have a little independence NOW, so that by the time theyre 16/17 theyre not out getting drunk, smoking weed, and her lil daughter doesnt come home with a baby. Keeping a child locked from everyday life only makes the kid more resentful of their parents and are more eager to set free. She should let him have the CD.. maybe she could get the bleeped version so he cant hear the bad language.

I agree. You can't keep your kids in a little glass bowl all of their life. They have to get out there and experience a little freedom or they will rebel.

1strunfan · 11-25-2002, 09:40 AM

I have to say, I agree with Lisa. Unlike probably most of you, I do have kids, and it is only natural to want to shelter them from all things bad. I haven't read the journal entry, but I don't think she meant that Christian music/musicians are second rate. I agree with some of you, too, though. I don't think you can totally shelter your children or they will rebel. I think that they need to find a good balance between secular and Christian. I was raised Christian, but also had the freedom (to a point) to check out secular for myself. I chose the Christian life because of experiences that I've had and things that I was taught. I'm confident that Lisa and her husband will find that blend for their children.
BTW: Not every person raised Christian goes through the "why do you make me go to church" stage.

Rebel Queen 1980 · 11-25-2002, 04:03 PM

I think as long as Tucker doesn't repeat or do what the songs
say he can have the CD,But usually those type say
Parental Advisory,Explicit Lyrics so Lisa should listen to the
CD first and then let Tucker know if she approves of it of not
Does Everyone Else Agree?

Kay Scarpetta · 11-25-2002, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ¤MsConanOBrien¤
She should let her children have a little independence NOW, so that by the time theyre 16/17 theyre not out getting drunk, smoking weed, and her lil daughter doesnt come home with a baby. Keeping a child locked from everyday life only makes the kid more resentful of their parents and are more eager to set free. She should let him have the CD.. maybe she could get the bleeped version so he cant hear the bad language.

Yep, you hit the nail right on the head. I'm dying to know what CD it is...

Jinny Girl · 11-25-2002, 04:29 PM

dude, with her veiws on stuff (just my OPINION) it was probably a blink 182 cd. I dunno. ill go read it. W/e.

I'm gonna track him down, lock him in a closet, and Make him listen to Manson and Slipknot until can corrupt his mind. it would be funny.

Georgia's on my Mind · 11-25-2002, 05:00 PM

I think she is trying to make the ideal environment for her children, But even though that is the IDEAL way of raising a child, she can't ignore that there are very few parents who teach there kids in that way.

Impressions · 11-25-2002, 05:11 PM

I think she's trying to raise her child like any other normal child, they have their own choices to face in life and they have to make decisions for themselves she can't make plans for them, eventually they have to fly solo, but most of time not always what's best for them it's best for her, if she wants her children to listen to music leave it for the children decide, but keep at an all-time low, they need a little variety also.

Mr. Stefani · 11-25-2002, 06:32 PM

Wow..talk about sheltered kids. Their going to have a hard time entering the "real world". When parents treat their kids like that, they end up screwed up in the long run.

ABlairican Pie · 11-25-2002, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jinny Girl
dude, with her veiws on stuff (just my OPINION) it was probably a blink 182 cd. I dunno. ill go read it. W/e.

I'm gonna track him down, lock him in a closet, and Make him listen to Manson and Slipknot until can corrupt his mind. it would be funny.

But seriously, I understand how parents like her might not want to have their kids get into some stuff like that at a young age.
But I have a sneaking suspicion she looks at every single performer in rock & roll as an unwitting pawn of the devil. I used to have the hope that she was open-minded and objective, but I dunno now....like what would she say about bands like Rush, Yes, or Dream Theater who have positive lyrics and good musicianship? (for example)

ABlairican Pie · 11-25-2002, 07:04 PM

I think the thing Lisa doesn't see is that, hey, when you're 13, you're starting to find yourself. When you have a desire to learn guitar, sometimes you'll enter into that "forbidden territory" that mom 'n' dad don't understand, it's part of your REBELLION!!!!!!

And rebellion isn't a BAD thing all the time, it's part of flexing your mental muscles. You're beginning to think and develop your identity. Rock & roll expresses this. Funny how when some of us 30-somethings were growing up, what our parents hated back then is all part of the whole classic rock deal.

It's all acceptable now. Like KISS. And even Ozzy. Or would Lisa think there was something totally subversive about listening to Deep Purple or whoever...

11-24-2002, 11:42 PM	#1
ABlairican Pie Member Forum Superstar Join Date: Dec 12, 2001 Location: Living where cats reign more Supreme than a pizza. Posts: 31,620	Do I agree with Lisa on this? I have been looking over Lisa's latest journal entry and noticed the part about her son buying a secular CD which has one good song over a handful of "evil, questionable" songs. He says he likes the songs because he wants to lean the guitar solos and become a better musician. She explains that say you open the door to a room which has scorpions and snakes and the whole bit, but there are a $100 bills scattered throughout, which would almost justify the risk of entering, but...well, you can read there. So she says he can't have the CD and should just stick with listening to safe Christian music even though the music is arguably LESS valuable. SHE ADMITS THAT CHRISTIAN MUSIC IS SECOND RATE!!!! So here's my question to her: We all know that rock & roll is full of great musicians with lifestyles we find questionable. For her son to become a better musician, would he have to IGNORE the musical contributions of Jimi Hendrix, Jimmy Page, Keith Richards, Eric Clapton, Angus Young, Randy Rhoads, and others because of their unpleasant lifestyles?
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11-25-2002, 12:08 AM	#3
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11-25-2002, 12:23 AM	#4
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11-25-2002, 09:40 AM	#7
1strunfan FOL Forum Regular Join Date: Oct 26, 2002 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 817	I have to say, I agree with Lisa. Unlike probably most of you, I do have kids, and it is only natural to want to shelter them from all things bad. I haven't read the journal entry, but I don't think she meant that Christian music/musicians are second rate. I agree with some of you, too, though. I don't think you can totally shelter your children or they will rebel. I think that they need to find a good balance between secular and Christian. I was raised Christian, but also had the freedom (to a point) to check out secular for myself. I chose the Christian life because of experiences that I've had and things that I was taught. I'm confident that Lisa and her husband will find that blend for their children. BTW: Not every person raised Christian goes through the "why do you make me go to church" stage.
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11-25-2002, 04:29 PM	#10
Jinny Girl Member Senior Member Join Date: Aug 04, 2001 Location: ...I'm not sure (looks around) WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE!!?!??!? Posts: 2,726	dude, with her veiws on stuff (just my OPINION) it was probably a blink 182 cd. I dunno. ill go read it. W/e. I'm gonna track him down, lock him in a closet, and Make him listen to Manson and Slipknot until can corrupt his mind. it would be funny.
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11-25-2002, 12:00 AM	#2
MrsGarrettRocksMySocks Actors over 60 Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 20, 2001 Location: The cookie jar--Any "Anyone Can Whistle" fans out there? Posts: 4,077	i think that everntually, whether Lisa wants him to or not, Tucker's gonna find out about all that. Course, I'm also waiting for the day when her kids enter their whole, "WHY DO YOU FORCE ME TO GO TO CHURCH?!" stage...

11-25-2002, 12:52 AM	#5
Shelley Member Senior Member Join Date: Oct 12, 2001 Location: St. George, Utah Posts: 1,081	Please close this thread before things get out of hand.

11-25-2002, 04:03 PM	#8
Rebel Queen 1980 Member Senior Member Join Date: Nov 05, 2002 Location: Watching Classic Sitcoms 24/7.... Posts: 1,509	I think as long as Tucker doesn't repeat or do what the songs say he can have the CD,But usually those type say Parental Advisory,Explicit Lyrics so Lisa should listen to the CD first and then let Tucker know if she approves of it of not Does Everyone Else Agree?

11-25-2002, 05:00 PM	#11
Georgia's on my Mind Senior Member Forum Superstar Join Date: Aug 19, 2001 Posts: 25,054	I think she is trying to make the ideal environment for her children, But even though that is the IDEAL way of raising a child, she can't ignore that there are very few parents who teach there kids in that way.

11-25-2002, 05:11 PM	#12
Impressions She died the way she lived Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: May 08, 2002 Posts: 4,640	I think she's trying to raise her child like any other normal child, they have their own choices to face in life and they have to make decisions for themselves she can't make plans for them, eventually they have to fly solo, but most of time not always what's best for them it's best for her, if she wants her children to listen to music leave it for the children decide, but keep at an all-time low, they need a little variety also.
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11-25-2002, 06:32 PM	#13
Mr. Stefani Member Forum Celebrity Join Date: Jul 15, 2001 Posts: 20,757	Wow..talk about sheltered kids. Their going to have a hard time entering the "real world". When parents treat their kids like that, they end up screwed up in the long run.

11-25-2002, 07:04 PM	#15
ABlairican Pie Member Forum Superstar Join Date: Dec 12, 2001 Location: Living where cats reign more Supreme than a pizza. Posts: 31,620	re: guitar playing I think the thing Lisa doesn't see is that, hey, when you're 13, you're starting to find yourself. When you have a desire to learn guitar, sometimes you'll enter into that "forbidden territory" that mom 'n' dad don't understand, it's part of your REBELLION!!!!!! And rebellion isn't a BAD thing all the time, it's part of flexing your mental muscles. You're beginning to think and develop your identity. Rock & roll expresses this. Funny how when some of us 30-somethings were growing up, what our parents hated back then is all part of the whole classic rock deal. It's all acceptable now. Like KISS. And even Ozzy. Or would Lisa think there was something totally subversive about listening to Deep Purple or whoever...