Help! Ricky "Spanish temper" experts needed! - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

TALLguyinKY · 11-16-2002, 01:26 AM

Hey y'all, I have 5 volumes of "Lucy" on tape I got a few years ago, and there's this guy I know who's NEVER seen it.

He's actually of Spanish descent, and another mutual friend of ours says that sometimes he'll go off in Spanish when he gets frustrated or angry, and she laughs cause she says it is SOOO like Ricky Ricardo!

Anyway, even though I really enjoy "I Love Lucy", I'm not as "up" on my Lucy trivia or knowledge as some of you are, I'm sure (come to me for "Mama's Family" or Disney or Muppets, lol...). And Amanda wants me to find an episode that I have to show Al Ricky's Spanish tirade-technique---but I don't know for sure if the episodes I have have Ricky doin' that at all. Here are the shows I have:

"Job Switching"
"Fashion Show"

"Never Do Business With Friends"
"The Courtroom"

"The Moustache"
"Lucy and the Loving Cup"

"Bonus Bucks"
"The Fur Coat"

"Lucy Raises Tulips"
"The Ricardos Dedicate A Statue"

If anyone can help me so I won't have to scan through 10 episodes that would be a LOT quicker and much more efficient---and I would really appreciate it!

Thanks!

Byron

¤I Love Clay Aiken¤ · 11-18-2002, 02:31 AM

You mean when Ricky says-- Miraquetienecosalamujeraesta??

I remember LUCY saying it when she & Ethel went in the car with that lady.. LOl

"The Moustache"
"Lucy and the Loving Cup"

"Bonus Bucks"
"The Fur Coat"
Those are the ones that would most LIKELY have them. Good luck.

Hey, and maybe they have fansites online with him saying it and all you have to do is DL it...

dawsongirl · 11-18-2002, 02:43 AM

Hmm...geez, I can't remember!!!

We need help experts!!

SPLAIN · 11-18-2002, 02:10 PM

This has been driving me nuts for years, don't you Americans study Spanish as a second language. From what i've heard on the boards, the consensus is that he says, words to the effect of LOOK WHAT MY CRAZY WIFE HAS DONE, it sure doesn't sound like that's what it means!

dawsongirl · 11-18-2002, 03:08 PM

Well, in my school, we had a choice between Spanish and French. I took Spanish.

Mira- form of mirar, to look

tiene- form of tener, to have

cosa- thing; matter, affair

mujer- woman

esta- form of estar, to be

Sure doesn't look like "Look what my crazy wife has done." Crazy is loca, and wife is esposa.

SPLAIN · 11-18-2002, 05:24 PM

Hey, dun't look at me, i'm French and studied English!

Mickey · 11-18-2002, 06:58 PM

Remember not everything can be translated literally from language to language. Even though Spanish and English have the same Latin roots, Spanish is much closer to pure Latin than good old mongrel English has got over the years. There may well be lots of things that don't make the transition properly. Certainly you see that a lot in French and Italian. As for loco, yes that does mean crazy, but remember that in English there's crazy, mad, nuts, screwy, bonkers, daft, etc, so loco isn't the only word that they could be using. Admittedly the way people have transcribed the outburst doesn't make a lot of sense. I can't make a sensible sentence out of it at all. We'll all have to try listening to those lines with the Spanish option turned on on the DVDs. Maybe it'll be clearer spoken by the dubbing guy!

JaneTVFan · 11-19-2002, 01:30 AM

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Originally posted by Mickey
Remember not everything can be translated literally from language to language. Even though Spanish and English have the same Latin roots, Spanish is much closer to pure Latin than good old mongrel English has got over the years.

Just popping in here for a moment. I couldn't resist this one. English does NOT have Latin roots, it has Latin INFLUENCE. English, like German and Dutch, is a Germanic language, not a Romance language. Spanish, Italian, French, Catalan, and Portuguese, are Romance languages (i.e., of Roman origin). If you see Old English writings, or hear it spoken, it looks and sounds very much like German, and NOTHING like Latin. The first influence of Latin on the English language came from Roman traders during the days of the Roman Empire when it extended into the British Isles. After the Norman invasion of England from France in 1066, the elite establishment in England adopted French as the language of choice. Over time this began to filter down and influence the English still spoken by the common people. These influences are the reason English wound up having so many Latin and French words in the lexicon. But the structure of the English language is still almost purely Germanic.

tdr · 11-19-2002, 02:19 AM

< Even though Spanish and English have the same Latin roots... >

That's not really true. Spanish developed from the local form of Latin in southwest Europe, and English is Germanic, having the same roots as Danish, German, and its closest sibling, Frisian, among others. Latin-based words came into English mostly through the Norman conquest in the 11th century which resulted in French speakers having all the positions of power. By the time English returned as the primary language of the court and centers of influence, it had simplified and evolved in inflections, and the vacabulary had virtually doubled with both Germanic and Latin based words to convey the same basic thought, but to have fine distinctions.

ed. Sorry; I didn't know this would be the 2nd mini-lecture on the history of English in this thread

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Mickey · 11-19-2002, 06:07 AM

You're both right of course, and 'roots' was the wrong word. However English is not entirely Germanic. The main form of the language probably was, although (obviously!) it has changed a lot since then. It does, however, have a lot of Latin in it. It's very obvious with some words, as is the Greek influence. Enough so that an English-speaking person can translate a fair amount of Spanish by comparing words, and extrapolating their likely meanings given shared Latin origins. It's an influence rather than a root I suppose. English is such a mish-mash of so many different original languages. Nowadays there's more than one English as well, since American and British English have separated quite a bit, and there are other branches as well. That's straying even further off topic though!

Don't forget that the Romans were here a long time before the Normans! Some Latin influence can be found within the language being spoken here long before the Normans brought High French here in 1066. The Romans inhabited Britain for a long time, and a lot of their words found their way into the speech. A lot faded from use, obviously, but were retained in more than just the names of towns. One of the reasons that the Normans wanted Britain was that in those days it was a major trade centre, and had links over large portions of the known world. Trade links with other countries often change a language, as was shown much later by the British Empire, when a lot of Indian words found their way into the English lanugage.

SPLAIN · 11-19-2002, 04:16 PM

Figures, you pop in Jane on the day i pop out. Our friend Amy and her hubby went to my boss to try and get me fired for spending so much time on the internet. It didn't work as he got me on in the first place, and i've always told him i was on all the boards, work has never suffered as i take anything not done home for weeknights and weekends, so they failed. But i'm so angry at their action, i'm getting off till i get a laptop, God am i going to miss you guys, and the subject matter, so i apologize for coming on this thread with my story, i was too new here and embarrassed to start this as a new topic. Mickey, i'm so sorry your e mail to me didn't work, as i so wanted to hear from you, take care guys, thanks to all of you for the great time, i will miss you more than you will ever know, you too Dawsongirldiva, rest assured i will read you anyway and will be back soon, from home, unless my young Republican friends figure out another way to aggravate me, or to stop me, but seing as she kicked off another board, she'd better mind her own business. Take care and thanks to everybody i've had contact with on this great board, and all of you have NICE HOLIDAYS!

¤I Love Clay Aiken¤ · 11-19-2002, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SPLAIN
This has been driving me nuts for years, don't you Americans study Spanish as a second language. From what i've heard on the boards, the consensus is that he says, words to the effect of LOOK WHAT MY CRAZY WIFE HAS DONE, it sure doesn't sound like that's what it means!

I knew what it meant in english, my friend has a book on it...I was just asking ALLguyinKY if thats what he was referring to.

dawsongirl · 11-19-2002, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SPLAIN
Figures, you pop in Jane on the day i pop out. Our friend Amy and her hubby went to my boss to try and get me fired for spending so much time on the internet. It didn't work as he got me on in the first place, and i've always told him i was on all the boards, work has never suffered as i take anything not done home for weeknights and weekends, so they failed. But i'm so angry at their action, i'm getting off till i get a laptop, God am i going to miss you guys, and the subject matter, so i apologize for coming on this thread with my story, i was too new here and embarrassed to start this as a new topic. Mickey, i'm so sorry your e mail to me didn't work, as i so wanted to hear from you, take care guys, thanks to all of you for the great time, i will miss you more than you will ever know, you too Dawsongirldiva, rest assured i will read you anyway and will be back soon, from home, unless my young Republican friends figure out another way to aggravate me, or to stop me, but seing as she kicked off another board, she'd better mind her own business. Take care and thanks to everybody i've had contact with on this great board, and all of you have NICE HOLIDAYS!

Dude...GET A DELL!!

We'll miss you!

JaneTVFan · 11-20-2002, 12:56 AM

What??? Are you talking about Amy the "if-you-argue-with-me-it's-because-you-are-prejudiced-against-disabled-people" right-wing nut who's gotten her own self kicked off other boards in the past? I knew she was nuts, but this is too much. You don't even live in the same country; how did she track down your boss? That crackpot obviously has waaay too much time on her hands.

Quote:

Originally posted by SPLAIN
Figures, you pop in Jane on the day i pop out. Our friend Amy and her hubby went to my boss to try and get me fired for spending so much time on the internet. It didn't work as he got me on in the first place, and i've always told him i was on all the boards, work has never suffered as i take anything not done home for weeknights and weekends, so they failed. But i'm so angry at their action, i'm getting off till i get a laptop, God am i going to miss you guys, and the subject matter, so i apologize for coming on this thread with my story, i was too new here and embarrassed to start this as a new topic. Mickey, i'm so sorry your e mail to me didn't work, as i so wanted to hear from you, take care guys, thanks to all of you for the great time, i will miss you more than you will ever know, you too Dawsongirldiva, rest assured i will read you anyway and will be back soon, from home, unless my young Republican friends figure out another way to aggravate me, or to stop me, but seing as she kicked off another board, she'd better mind her own business. Take care and thanks to everybody i've had contact with on this great board, and all of you have NICE HOLIDAYS!

Czas na Zywiec · 11-20-2002, 02:28 AM

¡Sí, eniendo mas o menos la lengua de español! ¡No es muy difícil si tu quieres a aprende este lengua muy hermosa!

LOL what about the episode where he reads Little Red Riding Hood all in Spanish? I'd love to hear that again. Last time I heard it, I didn't know the language!

11-16-2002, 01:26 AM	#1
TALLguyinKY Member Senior Member Join Date: Mar 18, 2002 Posts: 1,439	Help! Ricky "Spanish temper" experts needed! Hey y'all, I have 5 volumes of "Lucy" on tape I got a few years ago, and there's this guy I know who's NEVER seen it. He's actually of Spanish descent, and another mutual friend of ours says that sometimes he'll go off in Spanish when he gets frustrated or angry, and she laughs cause she says it is SOOO like Ricky Ricardo! Anyway, even though I really enjoy "I Love Lucy", I'm not as "up" on my Lucy trivia or knowledge as some of you are, I'm sure (come to me for "Mama's Family" or Disney or Muppets, lol...). And Amanda wants me to find an episode that I have to show Al Ricky's Spanish tirade-technique---but I don't know for sure if the episodes I have have Ricky doin' that at all. Here are the shows I have: "Job Switching" "Fashion Show" "Never Do Business With Friends" "The Courtroom" "The Moustache" "Lucy and the Loving Cup" "Bonus Bucks" "The Fur Coat" "Lucy Raises Tulips" "The Ricardos Dedicate A Statue" If anyone can help me so I won't have to scan through 10 episodes that would be a LOT quicker and much more efficient---and I would really appreciate it! Thanks! Byron

11-18-2002, 02:31 AM	#2
¤I Love Clay Aiken¤ MISS APRIL Forum Addict Join Date: Jul 19, 2001 Location: Parsonsfield ME Shaws - Screwing my way up the employment ladder! Posts: 68,780	You mean when Ricky says-- Miraquetienecosalamujeraesta?? I remember LUCY saying it when she & Ethel went in the car with that lady.. LOl "The Moustache" "Lucy and the Loving Cup" "Bonus Bucks" "The Fur Coat" Those are the ones that would most LIKELY have them. Good luck. Hey, and maybe they have fansites online with him saying it and all you have to do is DL it...
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11-19-2002, 02:19 AM	#9
tdr Member Senior Member Join Date: Mar 23, 2001 Posts: 1,454	< Even though Spanish and English have the same Latin roots... > That's not really true. Spanish developed from the local form of Latin in southwest Europe, and English is Germanic, having the same roots as Danish, German, and its closest sibling, Frisian, among others. Latin-based words came into English mostly through the Norman conquest in the 11th century which resulted in French speakers having all the positions of power. By the time English returned as the primary language of the court and centers of influence, it had simplified and evolved in inflections, and the vacabulary had virtually doubled with both Germanic and Latin based words to convey the same basic thought, but to have fine distinctions. ed. Sorry; I didn't know this would be the 2nd mini-lecture on the history of English in this thread .
	Last edited by tdr; 11-19-2002 at 02:20 AM.

11-19-2002, 06:07 AM	#10
Mickey Ranger Forum Regular Join Date: Oct 12, 2002 Location: The UK, and still finding Desi funnier than Lucy Posts: 960	You're both right of course, and 'roots' was the wrong word. However English is not entirely Germanic. The main form of the language probably was, although (obviously!) it has changed a lot since then. It does, however, have a lot of Latin in it. It's very obvious with some words, as is the Greek influence. Enough so that an English-speaking person can translate a fair amount of Spanish by comparing words, and extrapolating their likely meanings given shared Latin origins. It's an influence rather than a root I suppose. English is such a mish-mash of so many different original languages. Nowadays there's more than one English as well, since American and British English have separated quite a bit, and there are other branches as well. That's straying even further off topic though! Don't forget that the Romans were here a long time before the Normans! Some Latin influence can be found within the language being spoken here long before the Normans brought High French here in 1066. The Romans inhabited Britain for a long time, and a lot of their words found their way into the speech. A lot faded from use, obviously, but were retained in more than just the names of towns. One of the reasons that the Normans wanted Britain was that in those days it was a major trade centre, and had links over large portions of the known world. Trade links with other countries often change a language, as was shown much later by the British Empire, when a lot of Indian words found their way into the English lanugage.
	Last edited by Mickey; 11-19-2002 at 06:12 AM.

11-18-2002, 02:43 AM	#3
dawsongirl Member Forum Icon Join Date: Jan 04, 2001 Posts: 53,128	Hmm...geez, I can't remember!!! We need help experts!!

11-18-2002, 02:10 PM	#4
SPLAIN I Love Lucy Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 04, 2002 Location: MONTREAL, CANADA Posts: 4,563	This has been driving me nuts for years, don't you Americans study Spanish as a second language. From what i've heard on the boards, the consensus is that he says, words to the effect of LOOK WHAT MY CRAZY WIFE HAS DONE, it sure doesn't sound like that's what it means!

11-18-2002, 03:08 PM	#5
dawsongirl Member Forum Icon Join Date: Jan 04, 2001 Posts: 53,128	Well, in my school, we had a choice between Spanish and French. I took Spanish. Mira- form of mirar, to look tiene- form of tener, to have cosa- thing; matter, affair mujer- woman esta- form of estar, to be Sure doesn't look like "Look what my crazy wife has done." Crazy is loca, and wife is esposa.

11-18-2002, 05:24 PM	#6
SPLAIN I Love Lucy Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 04, 2002 Location: MONTREAL, CANADA Posts: 4,563	Hey, dun't look at me, i'm French and studied English!

11-18-2002, 06:58 PM	#7
Mickey Ranger Forum Regular Join Date: Oct 12, 2002 Location: The UK, and still finding Desi funnier than Lucy Posts: 960	Remember not everything can be translated literally from language to language. Even though Spanish and English have the same Latin roots, Spanish is much closer to pure Latin than good old mongrel English has got over the years. There may well be lots of things that don't make the transition properly. Certainly you see that a lot in French and Italian. As for loco, yes that does mean crazy, but remember that in English there's crazy, mad, nuts, screwy, bonkers, daft, etc, so loco isn't the only word that they could be using. Admittedly the way people have transcribed the outburst doesn't make a lot of sense. I can't make a sensible sentence out of it at all. We'll all have to try listening to those lines with the Spanish option turned on on the DVDs. Maybe it'll be clearer spoken by the dubbing guy!

11-19-2002, 04:16 PM	#11
SPLAIN I Love Lucy Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 04, 2002 Location: MONTREAL, CANADA Posts: 4,563	Figures, you pop in Jane on the day i pop out. Our friend Amy and her hubby went to my boss to try and get me fired for spending so much time on the internet. It didn't work as he got me on in the first place, and i've always told him i was on all the boards, work has never suffered as i take anything not done home for weeknights and weekends, so they failed. But i'm so angry at their action, i'm getting off till i get a laptop, God am i going to miss you guys, and the subject matter, so i apologize for coming on this thread with my story, i was too new here and embarrassed to start this as a new topic. Mickey, i'm so sorry your e mail to me didn't work, as i so wanted to hear from you, take care guys, thanks to all of you for the great time, i will miss you more than you will ever know, you too Dawsongirldiva, rest assured i will read you anyway and will be back soon, from home, unless my young Republican friends figure out another way to aggravate me, or to stop me, but seing as she kicked off another board, she'd better mind her own business. Take care and thanks to everybody i've had contact with on this great board, and all of you have NICE HOLIDAYS!

11-20-2002, 02:28 AM	#15
Czas na Zywiec what up Forum Star Join Date: Jun 28, 2001 Location: Southwest Side, Chicago Posts: 18,398	¡Sí, eniendo mas o menos la lengua de español! ¡No es muy difícil si tu quieres a aprende este lengua muy hermosa! LOL what about the episode where he reads Little Red Riding Hood all in Spanish? I'd love to hear that again. Last time I heard it, I didn't know the language!