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Plata · 11-02-2002, 11:49 PM

Okay, everyone, pro-abortionists, anti-abortionsists, in-between people, whoever, I have a solution to the abortion/stem cell debate. I was writing up a term paper for my biology 30 class on Parkinson's disease and was writing the conclusion of which I coulf say opinions or ideas that I had from my research. A solution that I thought of is that in trying to find a cure would be to clone the stem cells so that babies would not have to be aborted and die against their will. The procedure could consist of going into the brain with a needle and take a sample of the stem cells that were needed, just like in a blood transfusion, the person giving the blood doesn't die, as the person who gets the blood benefits from being saved from dying. If just small samples of stem cells were taken this would allow a baby to live a normal healthy happy life, while allowing the patients with diseases that require a stem cell transplant who had diseases of defects such as: spinal cord injury, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, AIDS and others to be cured. I happened to think of this solution myself.

Chocoholic · 11-02-2002, 11:59 PM

I think that's a very good solution. I am all for stem cell research to cure diseases and stuff. I can't believe that there are people out there who would rather have other people suffer from Parkinsons, Alzeimers, cancer, and other stuff than have scientists use the embryos of aborted fetuses to find a cure for them.

I really don't like the idea of aborting babies, but if it's going to be legal, then we might as well get something useful out of it. Stem cell research is very useful.

Plata · 11-04-2002, 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by WingsFan
I think that's a very good solution. I am all for stem cell research to cure diseases and stuff. I can't believe that there are people out there who would rather have other people suffer from Parkinsons, Alzeimers, cancer, and other stuff than have scientists use the embryos of aborted fetuses to find a cure for them.I really don't like the idea of aborting babies, but if it's going to be legal, then we might as well get something useful out of it. Stem cell research is very useful.

I'm sorry if I came across as being for abortion. I don't really think it's a good idea to abort babies. I was thinking along the lines of a medical procedure that could be used that would allow the stem cells to be of use and to allow the babies to have the will to live. I mean, if people can clone hearts and other organs, why not stem cells? And, also not all transplants require a large amount of tissue to be cured. One I can think of off the top of my head is kidney failure. A person with two kidneys can donate one kidney and both the recipient and the donor can both still function normally in everyday life. I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to clone stem cells and be able to cure people with diseases, too.

Brian · 11-04-2002, 10:56 PM

This is a really good issue. Last year, the Public Affairs Forum at my school held a debate and one of the topics was this issue. They put me against it. However, rather than just mentioning all the bad stuff about it, I suggested alternate uses to get these stem cells. I can post some of my speech onto the board if you want. I can't post the whole essay because it's in my school's records (I did so well on it, that I earned the Public Affairs Forum Award from my school)

Plata · 11-05-2002, 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by BJL
I suggested alternate uses to get these stem cells. I can post some of my speech onto the board if you want. I can't post the whole essay because it's in my school's records (I did so well on it, that I earned the Public Affairs Forum Award from my school)

Sure, you can post some of your speech if you want. I'd love to hear your ideas. Congratulations on earning the award. You must have worked really hard on your essay.

Plata · 11-05-2002, 05:54 PM

I thought I'd mention that I e-mailed the idea to the foundation, well actually one of the Research Policy Coordinators and they e-mailed me back and said that researchers are working on the approach I suggested, along with variations for adults, etc.

*Marilyn Monroe* · 11-05-2002, 11:54 PM

It sounds like a great idea, but you know that the government would pick it apart. I think, that if the mothers are going to have their babies aborted anyway, which i think is wrong, that we should have the right to use them for scientific study. I mean, that baby's going to die either way, so I dont see a problem with it.

Plata · 01-13-2003, 10:04 AM

‘Ethical’ Solution to Stem Cell Dispute Proposed

CBN.com - WASHINGTON — A pro-life member of Congress claims he has found the answer to the stem cell research controversy. Maryland Republican Roscoe Bartlett says his proposal could eliminate the ethical dilemma.
Instead of extracting the hundred or so stem cells in a human embryo which destroys the embryo, Bartlett proposes removing one or two, then re-freezing the living embryo intact.

In a dear colleague letter released to Congress, Bartlett states that researchers at the National Institutes of Health told him: "It is feasible to remove cell material from embryos... without killing the embryos."

Ideas like that could find support on Capitol Hill.

"If there are ways to accommodate research and science and allow them unfettered opportunity to continue to make progress in finding cures for disease, then I'm for it," said Sen. Tom Daschle.

The NIH is reluctant to discuss Bartlett's plan, saying only the procedure "may be theoretically possible."

But a congressional aide also at the meeting says NIH researchers said the process would be "difficult in practice" and "inefficient."

Dr. David Prentice opposes the plan because he says it poses significant risk to the embryo. Prentice researches adult stem cells at Indiana University and is co-founder of "Do No Harm," a group opposing embryonic research.

"It's quite different than you or I donating blood,” Prentice said. “The embryos, 50 percent of them, are destroyed or killed by the freezing and thawing process, not just being in the freezer, but the process itself. On top of that, now you have to stick the embryo with the needle to remove one of more cells. That's not an insignificant risk to the embryo either."

Prentice also said the process would probably prohibit surviving embryos from being given birth. "At later stages, you might damage the ability for it to be implanted, and [if the cells are extracted] at an even later stage, you're past the point where the embryo could be implanted in the uterus, so you would be condemning it to death anyway."

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11-02-2002, 11:49 PM	#1
Plata Member Senior Member Join Date: May 16, 2001 Location: Regina,Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 1,201	Stem Cell Solution Okay, everyone, pro-abortionists, anti-abortionsists, in-between people, whoever, I have a solution to the abortion/stem cell debate. I was writing up a term paper for my biology 30 class on Parkinson's disease and was writing the conclusion of which I coulf say opinions or ideas that I had from my research. A solution that I thought of is that in trying to find a cure would be to clone the stem cells so that babies would not have to be aborted and die against their will. The procedure could consist of going into the brain with a needle and take a sample of the stem cells that were needed, just like in a blood transfusion, the person giving the blood doesn't die, as the person who gets the blood benefits from being saved from dying. If just small samples of stem cells were taken this would allow a baby to live a normal healthy happy life, while allowing the patients with diseases that require a stem cell transplant who had diseases of defects such as: spinal cord injury, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, AIDS and others to be cured. I happened to think of this solution myself.

11-02-2002, 11:59 PM	#2
Chocoholic Member Forum Star Join Date: Dec 01, 2000 Location: Between a rock and a hard place. Posts: 11,235	I think that's a very good solution. I am all for stem cell research to cure diseases and stuff. I can't believe that there are people out there who would rather have other people suffer from Parkinsons, Alzeimers, cancer, and other stuff than have scientists use the embryos of aborted fetuses to find a cure for them. I really don't like the idea of aborting babies, but if it's going to be legal, then we might as well get something useful out of it. Stem cell research is very useful.
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11-05-2002, 11:54 PM	#7
Marilyn Monroe Diamonds... Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 24, 2001 Location: Where gentlemen actually prefer brunettes Posts: 4,811	It sounds like a great idea, but you know that the government would pick it apart. I think, that if the mothers are going to have their babies aborted anyway, which i think is wrong, that we should have the right to use them for scientific study. I mean, that baby's going to die either way, so I dont see a problem with it.
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11-04-2002, 10:56 PM	#4
Brian Member Forum Celebrity Join Date: Jun 23, 2001 Posts: 20,451	This is a really good issue. Last year, the Public Affairs Forum at my school held a debate and one of the topics was this issue. They put me against it. However, rather than just mentioning all the bad stuff about it, I suggested alternate uses to get these stem cells. I can post some of my speech onto the board if you want. I can't post the whole essay because it's in my school's records (I did so well on it, that I earned the Public Affairs Forum Award from my school)

11-05-2002, 05:54 PM	#6
Plata Member Senior Member Join Date: May 16, 2001 Location: Regina,Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 1,201	I thought I'd mention that I e-mailed the idea to the foundation, well actually one of the Research Policy Coordinators and they e-mailed me back and said that researchers are working on the approach I suggested, along with variations for adults, etc.

01-13-2003, 10:04 AM	#8
Plata Member Senior Member Join Date: May 16, 2001 Location: Regina,Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 1,201	‘Ethical’ Solution to Stem Cell Dispute Proposed CBN.com - WASHINGTON — A pro-life member of Congress claims he has found the answer to the stem cell research controversy. Maryland Republican Roscoe Bartlett says his proposal could eliminate the ethical dilemma. Instead of extracting the hundred or so stem cells in a human embryo which destroys the embryo, Bartlett proposes removing one or two, then re-freezing the living embryo intact. In a dear colleague letter released to Congress, Bartlett states that researchers at the National Institutes of Health told him: "It is feasible to remove cell material from embryos... without killing the embryos." Ideas like that could find support on Capitol Hill. "If there are ways to accommodate research and science and allow them unfettered opportunity to continue to make progress in finding cures for disease, then I'm for it," said Sen. Tom Daschle. The NIH is reluctant to discuss Bartlett's plan, saying only the procedure "may be theoretically possible." But a congressional aide also at the meeting says NIH researchers said the process would be "difficult in practice" and "inefficient." Dr. David Prentice opposes the plan because he says it poses significant risk to the embryo. Prentice researches adult stem cells at Indiana University and is co-founder of "Do No Harm," a group opposing embryonic research. "It's quite different than you or I donating blood,” Prentice said. “The embryos, 50 percent of them, are destroyed or killed by the freezing and thawing process, not just being in the freezer, but the process itself. On top of that, now you have to stick the embryo with the needle to remove one of more cells. That's not an insignificant risk to the embryo either." Prentice also said the process would probably prohibit surviving embryos from being given birth. "At later stages, you might damage the ability for it to be implanted, and [if the cells are extracted] at an even later stage, you're past the point where the embryo could be implanted in the uterus, so you would be condemning it to death anyway." Science Ministries © 2003 http://christianity.com/partner/Arti...ge/0,,PTID4859\|CHID41\|CIID704992,00.html