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KDluvsChachi · 10-14-2002, 08:13 PM

ok, i know that this sounds a little un patriotic, but i need help for a debate that i have to do for English class and thought that y'all might help me.

so here goes. The Pledge of allegiance should not be manditory.
i am the affirmative... but any of your opinions or facts would b great! thank you SO much!

Juss Like Jo Po · 10-14-2002, 08:27 PM

Yea the pledge should be mandatory...you're in America so you should have to say it...if you dont like it then (not to be mean)...get out...lolz

Crimson and Clover · 10-14-2002, 08:43 PM

if the pledge of allegiance was mandatory they would need to take out the under god part. this is america but not every one believes that we are under god.

MBFTfan · 10-14-2002, 09:19 PM

I don't think it should be mandatory. Think about it, how many times outside of elementary school and maybe highschool do we ever say the pledge of allegiance? Very rarely. To most school age kids, the pledge means nothing, a 5 or 6 year old doesn't know what "the republic for which it stands" is or what "liberty and justice for all" really means. I think it should be taught as part of a history or American culture class because it is something that people should know, for special ceremonies and such, but reciting it every day is pointless. What do we really learn from it except where the flag is in our classroom? And once we graduate school, we stop doing it. How many adults do you know who wake up every morning and recite the pledge before work? How many kids do you know who recite it on weekends even? To me it just doesn't seem to serve any purpose. We could learn much more about the pledge and our country by discussing its meaning and significance as a chapter in history than by reciting it like robots each morning in school, only to pretty much forget about it when we leave.

Ewan's My Man · 10-14-2002, 10:48 PM

Well, I think it kind of should be manditory since we ARE America, but if it wasn't then they better not change that line. Some 5th graders or something wanted to change the word "parilous" (sp?) to "dangerous" in the Star Spangled Banner, and the schoolboard actually lets them. This isn't at my skool tho. NEwayz, I think ppl are getting away with too much. They're better off just SAYING it rather then starting these big fights

Blair85 · 10-14-2002, 11:23 PM

I don't really care either way. If u like saying it fine, if not, fine. I think it's a respectful thing to say though & I don't like hearing people dissing it.

¤I Love Clay Aiken¤ · 10-15-2002, 12:58 AM

I think it should be mandatory that the Pledge be said everyday over the intercom. If you dont want to say it though, then dont, but dont fuss about it. I dont have a problem with the *Under God* part, its a part of history and it should stay in tact. If people have a problem with that line, then they should just keep silent when they get to that point.

Jinny Girl · 10-15-2002, 04:44 PM

i think whoever has the nerve to be in america and then say they don't wanna say the pledge of alliegence should be killed, wrapped in the american flag, and hung by their toes from the pentagon. JMO.

Mossopp · 10-15-2002, 05:06 PM

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Originally posted by Jinny Girl
i think whoever has the nerve to be in america and then say they don't wanna say the pledge of alliegence should be killed, wrapped in the american flag, and hung by their toes from the pentagon. JMO.

Christ! That's a bit extreme, don't you think?!

There's always been rivalry between the English and the Scots but I don't think that any English people living here should be killed just they don't know the words to 'Flower of Scotland'!!

Czas na Zywiec · 10-15-2002, 07:15 PM

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Originally posted by Mossopp

Christ! That's a bit extreme, don't you think?!

LOL! I think she was joking Mossopp.

But I do agree that if you live in America you should at least have the decency to say the pledge at least once a week. America has a lot of freedoms that a lot of other countried don't. So what's the big hastle with pledging allegiance to your country?

Kristina · 10-15-2002, 07:27 PM

I don't care, people shouldn't be forced to say it, if they don't believe in God then why should someone be forced to say that? I'm not even any religion I just find all of it phony, no offense but thats just my beliefs on ALL religions. I don't say the pledge...

Warm & Fuzzy · 10-18-2002, 10:36 PM

Sorry, double post.

Warm & Fuzzy · 10-18-2002, 10:36 PM

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Originally posted by jlpmghrs1
if the pledge of allegiance was mandatory they would need to take out the under god part. this is america but not every one believes that we are under god.

Our teacher had a discussion about this just today. Everday, third period, everyone in our school is to raise and pledge to the flag..

However, my Global teacher says that he doesnt do it 'cause he feels that religion and the gov't should not interfer with one another, especially since the country is democratic.

Mossopp · 10-19-2002, 09:14 AM

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Originally posted by Jo's the bomb
Our teacher had a discussion about this just today. Everday, third period, everyone in our school is to raise and pledge to the flag..

However, my Global teacher says that he doesnt do it 'cause he feels that religion and the gov't should not interfer with one another, especially since the country is democratic.

You could say that I can't really comment on this cos I'm not American but - and this is only my opinion so don't all jump on me - I think the whole thing is ridiculous.
The "under God" part is definately redundant cos I'm quite sure that many Americans do not believe in God.
The pledge should not be mandatory, as some people have suggested. You Americans always rave on about how you live in the land of the free. Do you think that 'freedom' is forcing someone to say some pledge that they don't even believe in?
I know that people are of the opinion that kids should be saying the Pledge in infant school but, believe me, forcing a person to believe in something at an early age only leads to disillusion and resentment later in life.
In my primary school we were made to say the Lords Prayer before we ate dinner and we had to sing Christian hymns during Assembly. We were also forced to go to church or chapel (they took it in turns, would you believe?!) every Easter/Christmas/whatever for some stupid service and it made me extremely resentful of organised religeon.
My parents never Chirstened me cos they were of the opinion that it is my choice what religeon, if any, I choose to adopt. People shouldn't be forced into anything.
I can't stand organised religeon of any kind now and I'm quite sure that my experiences of it in Primary School didn't help any!
That's not to say that I am unpatriotic. If some English b#stard starts slagging Scotland then I'm gonna stand up to him. But you will never get me to sallute some flag. A flag is nothing more than a shred of material. I'm not gonna lay down my life for it.

Central Perk · 10-19-2002, 09:47 AM

I don't think the pledge should be mandatory, I mean if someone doesn't say it are you going to arrest them? If you don't want to say it then don't say it, I don't really consider it treason or anything like that. When they announce the pledge over the PA system I don't say it I just stand up with my right had over my heart, by being a citizen you are already pledging allegiance to the US and the flag.

10-14-2002, 08:13 PM	#1
KDluvsChachi Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jun 10, 2002 Location: well you'll have to guess that Posts: 40	The pledge of allegiance ok, i know that this sounds a little un patriotic, but i need help for a debate that i have to do for English class and thought that y'all might help me. so here goes. The Pledge of allegiance should not be manditory. i am the affirmative... but any of your opinions or facts would b great! thank you SO much!
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10-14-2002, 08:43 PM	#3
Crimson and Clover Member Forum Star Join Date: Jun 09, 2002 Location: NC Posts: 17,345	if the pledge of allegiance was mandatory they would need to take out the under god part. this is america but not every one believes that we are under god.
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10-14-2002, 09:19 PM	#4
MBFTfan Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Sep 07, 2002 Posts: 180	I don't think it should be mandatory. Think about it, how many times outside of elementary school and maybe highschool do we ever say the pledge of allegiance? Very rarely. To most school age kids, the pledge means nothing, a 5 or 6 year old doesn't know what "the republic for which it stands" is or what "liberty and justice for all" really means. I think it should be taught as part of a history or American culture class because it is something that people should know, for special ceremonies and such, but reciting it every day is pointless. What do we really learn from it except where the flag is in our classroom? And once we graduate school, we stop doing it. How many adults do you know who wake up every morning and recite the pledge before work? How many kids do you know who recite it on weekends even? To me it just doesn't seem to serve any purpose. We could learn much more about the pledge and our country by discussing its meaning and significance as a chapter in history than by reciting it like robots each morning in school, only to pretty much forget about it when we leave.
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10-14-2002, 10:48 PM	#5
Ewan's My Man I'll Cover You Forum Veteran Join Date: Sep 29, 2001 Location: Beneath the opera house... Posts: 5,682	Well, I think it kind of should be manditory since we ARE America, but if it wasn't then they better not change that line. Some 5th graders or something wanted to change the word "parilous" (sp?) to "dangerous" in the Star Spangled Banner, and the schoolboard actually lets them. This isn't at my skool tho. NEwayz, I think ppl are getting away with too much. They're better off just SAYING it rather then starting these big fights
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10-15-2002, 12:58 AM	#7
¤I Love Clay Aiken¤ MISS APRIL Forum Addict Join Date: Jul 19, 2001 Location: Parsonsfield ME Shaws - Screwing my way up the employment ladder! Posts: 68,780	I think it should be mandatory that the Pledge be said everyday over the intercom. If you dont want to say it though, then dont, but dont fuss about it. I dont have a problem with the Under God part, its a part of history and it should stay in tact. If people have a problem with that line, then they should just keep silent when they get to that point.
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10-14-2002, 08:27 PM	#2
Juss Like Jo Po Member Forum Regular Join Date: Sep 04, 2002 Posts: 566	Yea the pledge should be mandatory...you're in America so you should have to say it...if you dont like it then (not to be mean)...get out...lolz

10-14-2002, 11:23 PM	#6
Blair85 Emmaline Senior Member Join Date: Dec 05, 2000 Location: U.S. Posts: 1,076	I don't really care either way. If u like saying it fine, if not, fine. I think it's a respectful thing to say though & I don't like hearing people dissing it.

10-15-2002, 04:44 PM	#8
Jinny Girl Member Senior Member Join Date: Aug 04, 2001 Location: ...I'm not sure (looks around) WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE!!?!??!? Posts: 2,726	i think whoever has the nerve to be in america and then say they don't wanna say the pledge of alliegence should be killed, wrapped in the american flag, and hung by their toes from the pentagon. JMO.
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10-15-2002, 07:27 PM	#11
Kristina Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Mar 27, 2001 Location: CaLiFoRnIa, UsA Posts: 8,890	I don't care, people shouldn't be forced to say it, if they don't believe in God then why should someone be forced to say that? I'm not even any religion I just find all of it phony, no offense but thats just my beliefs on ALL religions. I don't say the pledge...

10-18-2002, 10:36 PM	#12
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10-19-2002, 09:47 AM	#15
Central Perk ~~~~~ Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 10, 2002 Posts: 4,553	I don't think the pledge should be mandatory, I mean if someone doesn't say it are you going to arrest them? If you don't want to say it then don't say it, I don't really consider it treason or anything like that. When they announce the pledge over the PA system I don't say it I just stand up with my right had over my heart, by being a citizen you are already pledging allegiance to the US and the flag.