Did Richard Dawson like Bob Crane? - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

buddy love · 10-07-2002, 10:38 PM

maybe Dawsongirl knows the answer. Just wondering. I know Bob was a (hypocritical) conservative republican and Richard was (is) a liberal.

dawsongirl · 10-07-2002, 11:26 PM

No. From what I've read, they really didn't get along too well.

One reason- Richard had originally tried out for the role of Hogan (it's true), but he still had a bit of an accent and the producers wanted someone All-American. So, I think he was a little bitter.

Another reason- even though Richard (often with Larry Hovis) was known to pull some pranks on the set, when it came down to work time, Richard was very professional and expected the same out of everyone. Bob was a bit too laid back about his work and it didn't sit so well with Richard (who, yes, is a perfectionist).

I wish I knew if they ever had any political type debates, but I don't.

Hope that at least answers something.

buddy love · 10-07-2002, 11:35 PM

Thank you for your response. I never knew that Richard wanted to play Hogan. That would have been pretty interesting casting me thinks. It's sad what happened to Bob Crane--no one deserves that--but it must have bugged him that while he (Bob) was reduced to performing at dinner theatres that Richard had become very popular on both the Match Game and Family Feud--sure they were game shows but they attracted big ratings and Dawson certainly reaped the benefits.

dawsongirl · 10-08-2002, 06:00 PM

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Originally posted by buddy love
It's sad what happened to Bob Crane--no one deserves that--but it must have bugged him that while he (Bob) was reduced to performing at dinner theatres that Richard had become very popular on both the Match Game and Family Feud--sure they were game shows but they attracted big ratings and Dawson certainly reaped the benefits.

Hmm..that's an interesting point I never thought of. I wonder how much, jealousy, envy, whatever, Bob felt over Dawson's success. Out of all the cast, he (Richard) seems to have become the biggest star thanks to MG, FF, and of course...The Running Man! LOL

Fan of old shows · 10-13-2002, 03:39 AM

Dawson makes everyone he works with hate him.

dawsongirl · 10-13-2002, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fan of old shows
Dawson makes everyone he works with hate him.

Oh come on...that just doesn't make sense. Everyone????

bandito · 10-13-2002, 09:02 PM

i know when he did family fued he didnt get along with the writers/ \producers very well he made alot of demands

Fan of old shows · 10-13-2002, 10:36 PM

there wasnt one nice thing said about Richard Dawson on the Family Feud E story, other than he was a great host which was true. Hell, even Mark Goodson hated Dawson.

dawsongirl · 10-13-2002, 11:32 PM

Note that you said everyone, not everyone on Family Feud. What you said means everyone that he ever worked with, which is utter nonsense.

Yes, on Feud he ticked a lot of people off. But you cannot take the word of Howard Felsher as gospel. He didn't like any of the hosts. He was an egomaniac that thought the show should be solely his no matter who the host was. He and Richard butted heads because Richard wouldn't put up with that crap and looking at things, Ray didn't either. Mark stood by Howard for reasons dating back to a time Howard saved his a$$ in the 50s during the quiz show scandals.

Richard happens to still be good friends with his HH costar Larry Hovis, trust me. The E! THS made it sound like Cathy Hughart-Dawson (his ex-daughter-in-law and former producer) was still friendly with him. I'm sure he's still friends with others as well.

Fan of old shows · 10-13-2002, 11:44 PM

I said everyone he works with.

dawsongirl · 10-14-2002, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fan of old shows
I said everyone he works with.

I know you said everyone. Everyone, encompassing every single man, woman, and child. That is false. Read what I wrote.

bandito · 10-19-2002, 10:19 PM

who really cares?

joan davis fan · 10-24-2002, 09:52 PM

wasnt Richard Dawson who introduced John Carpenter ( the man who sold video equipment and was later accused of killing Crane )
to Bob Crane?

There is a pic I saw recently in one of those taboilds taken of Dawson, Crane, and one of Crane's kids beside some early video equipment. Looked like they were friends to me.

Very chilling picture to look at.

D. Ternowski · 10-25-2002, 01:22 PM

Like dawsongirl, I recall reading somewhere, possibly in the Robert Graysmith book on Bob Crane, where they did not get along but you would not know it from their on screen time together. They looked like friends while filming the show. I didn't know a book on the show existed, but at amazon.com I saw the book:
"Hogan's Heroes: Behind the Scenes at Stalag 13"
by Brenda Scott Royce, Werner Klemperer.

I saw these reviews at amazon.com. I hope it is okay to print them here. The book sounds interesting and I would hope the new Bob Crane movie would focus on the behind the scenes happenings of Hogan's Heroes but I'm sure the movie won't focus too much if anything on that. They will concentrate on what they think the public is more interested in. I think if they would concentrate more on Hogan's Heroes, the movie would be more successful.

"Hogan's Heroes: Behind the Scenes at Stalag 13"
Editorial Reviews
Book Description
If your fondest TV memories involve the POWs of Stalag 13 cleverly outwitting their captors, Schultz stammering "I know nothing!" and Hochstetter threatening to send everyone to the Russian front, then this is the book for you. This fun and informative book takes you behind the scenes of the classic 1960s sitcom to reveal:
- the story behind the creation, production, and eventual cancellation of the series - the controversy surrounding the show's unlikely premise
- interviews with many of the show's stars and crew biographies of the stars and supporting actors
- a detailed guide to each of the 168 episodes
- a guide to collecting Hogan's memorabilia
- and more...

Hogan's Heroes is more popular now than ever before, especially in Germany, where it has become a surprising cult hit. In this book, most of the show's stars and behind-the-scenes personnel share their memories and reflect on the series' enduring popularity.

About the Author
Brenda Scott Royce is a freelance entertainment writer and motion picture reviewer. She is the author of Party of Five: The Unofficial Companion, and has written for Classic TV, Television Chronicles, Television Today, Movie Marketplace, and other periodicals. She resides in Los Angeles, California.

See all editorial reviews...

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Reader Reviews:

An outstanding book on the classic TV show!, June 29, 1999
Reviewer: A reader from South Dakota

Hogan's Heroes is my all-time favorite TV comedy show, not just because of the humor, but because of the interaction of the characters and the World War II setting. I can't think of one single episode throughout the entire course of the series that I don't like for one reason or another. It was well-written, well-acted and well-produced/directed, and deserved more than the few Emmys it received at the time. It's hard to say enough good things about this book, which to date has been the ONLY book on the series! Brenda Scott Royce, herself a long-time fan of the show, did a fantastic job. Just about everything most real fans of this classic and underappreciated TV series could want to find out is here. There are plot synopses of all the episodes of the series and original air dates, sections about each of the main characters/actors, and interesting related information. Only one area is lacking, a slight deficiency of photos. But the end result is still a treasure trove of information, thanks to the author's extensive research and interviews.

Very very complete! Indispensible for Hogans Heroes fans!, July 3, 1999
Reviewer: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com (Tom Richard Mourgos) from San Francisco
This is a very comprehensive edition of this book. It covers just about everything there is to cover about the show, the characters, roles of re-curring actors and more. It's an improvement over the original version that came across as more of a text book. This version has a better color and more eye-appealing graphics inside. The episode guide is very handy while watching episodes from the video collection (mine's from Columbia House). The only drawbacks I can think of is that it could use more color photos and I did notice one trivia answer that was incorrect--The coffee pot is a direct-line hook-up and is not a radio receiver... but aside from minor things like that I heartily recommend this book.

A Must Read!!! for any Hogan's Heroes fan, March 8, 2001
Reviewer: webmaster@hogansheroesfanclub.com
Brenda Scott Royce's book is a great book about Hogan's Heroes. It is very thorough - covering all aspects of the show : history, cast, collectibles and highlights of each episode.

Brenda Scott Royce is also the founder of the Hogan's Heroes Fan Club....

Whets the appitite, January 4, 2001
Reviewer: marylinus (see more about me) from Scarborough, ON Canada
The moment I receive the box containing this book, I gobbled it up [the book, not the box]. A much appreciated 'Red Cross package' for any Hogan's Heroes fan. I particularly enjoyed the episode guide portion. Although it is not a blast by blast account of every bit of dialogue or mayhem per episode [great pity], it is still more detailed than other episode guides of other sit. coms.

The few disappointments: 1) Very few pictures, and those that are there are in black and white. 2) Not enough lengthly descriptions of my favorite bits in each plot summary. Still, the author would need to put in every line in every script to satisfy me completely.

Fan of old shows · 10-25-2002, 08:47 PM

i in many ways am just like Dawson. i get big headed when im in charge and i just want things my way cuz thats how i think it will be right. and thats gonna get me hated one day because im probably impossible to work with, i dont know.

10-07-2002, 10:38 PM	#1
buddy love Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 19, 2002 Posts: 189	Did Richard Dawson like Bob Crane? maybe Dawsongirl knows the answer. Just wondering. I know Bob was a (hypocritical) conservative republican and Richard was (is) a liberal.

10-07-2002, 11:26 PM	#2
dawsongirl Member Forum Icon Join Date: Jan 04, 2001 Posts: 53,128	I'm Now the Supreme Authority on All Things Dawson! No. From what I've read, they really didn't get along too well. One reason- Richard had originally tried out for the role of Hogan (it's true), but he still had a bit of an accent and the producers wanted someone All-American. So, I think he was a little bitter. Another reason- even though Richard (often with Larry Hovis) was known to pull some pranks on the set, when it came down to work time, Richard was very professional and expected the same out of everyone. Bob was a bit too laid back about his work and it didn't sit so well with Richard (who, yes, is a perfectionist). I wish I knew if they ever had any political type debates, but I don't. Hope that at least answers something.

10-13-2002, 09:02 PM	#7
bandito Going Topless Forum Veteran Join Date: Sep 28, 2002 Location: The Steel City Posts: 6,320	i know when he did family fued he didnt get along with the writers/ \producers very well he made alot of demands
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10-25-2002, 01:22 PM	#14
D. Ternowski Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Oct 19, 2002 Posts: 10	Robert Graysmith book Like dawsongirl, I recall reading somewhere, possibly in the Robert Graysmith book on Bob Crane, where they did not get along but you would not know it from their on screen time together. They looked like friends while filming the show. I didn't know a book on the show existed, but at amazon.com I saw the book: "Hogan's Heroes: Behind the Scenes at Stalag 13" by Brenda Scott Royce, Werner Klemperer. I saw these reviews at amazon.com. I hope it is okay to print them here. The book sounds interesting and I would hope the new Bob Crane movie would focus on the behind the scenes happenings of Hogan's Heroes but I'm sure the movie won't focus too much if anything on that. They will concentrate on what they think the public is more interested in. I think if they would concentrate more on Hogan's Heroes, the movie would be more successful. "Hogan's Heroes: Behind the Scenes at Stalag 13" Editorial Reviews Book Description If your fondest TV memories involve the POWs of Stalag 13 cleverly outwitting their captors, Schultz stammering "I know nothing!" and Hochstetter threatening to send everyone to the Russian front, then this is the book for you. This fun and informative book takes you behind the scenes of the classic 1960s sitcom to reveal: - the story behind the creation, production, and eventual cancellation of the series - the controversy surrounding the show's unlikely premise - interviews with many of the show's stars and crew biographies of the stars and supporting actors - a detailed guide to each of the 168 episodes - a guide to collecting Hogan's memorabilia - and more... Hogan's Heroes is more popular now than ever before, especially in Germany, where it has become a surprising cult hit. In this book, most of the show's stars and behind-the-scenes personnel share their memories and reflect on the series' enduring popularity. About the Author Brenda Scott Royce is a freelance entertainment writer and motion picture reviewer. She is the author of Party of Five: The Unofficial Companion, and has written for Classic TV, Television Chronicles, Television Today, Movie Marketplace, and other periodicals. She resides in Los Angeles, California. See all editorial reviews... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reader Reviews: An outstanding book on the classic TV show!, June 29, 1999 Reviewer: A reader from South Dakota Hogan's Heroes is my all-time favorite TV comedy show, not just because of the humor, but because of the interaction of the characters and the World War II setting. I can't think of one single episode throughout the entire course of the series that I don't like for one reason or another. It was well-written, well-acted and well-produced/directed, and deserved more than the few Emmys it received at the time. It's hard to say enough good things about this book, which to date has been the ONLY book on the series! Brenda Scott Royce, herself a long-time fan of the show, did a fantastic job. Just about everything most real fans of this classic and underappreciated TV series could want to find out is here. There are plot synopses of all the episodes of the series and original air dates, sections about each of the main characters/actors, and interesting related information. Only one area is lacking, a slight deficiency of photos. But the end result is still a treasure trove of information, thanks to the author's extensive research and interviews. Very very complete! Indispensible for Hogans Heroes fans!, July 3, 1999 Reviewer: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com (Tom Richard Mourgos) from San Francisco This is a very comprehensive edition of this book. It covers just about everything there is to cover about the show, the characters, roles of re-curring actors and more. It's an improvement over the original version that came across as more of a text book. This version has a better color and more eye-appealing graphics inside. The episode guide is very handy while watching episodes from the video collection (mine's from Columbia House). The only drawbacks I can think of is that it could use more color photos and I did notice one trivia answer that was incorrect--The coffee pot is a direct-line hook-up and is not a radio receiver... but aside from minor things like that I heartily recommend this book. A Must Read!!! for any Hogan's Heroes fan, March 8, 2001 Reviewer: webmaster@hogansheroesfanclub.com Brenda Scott Royce's book is a great book about Hogan's Heroes. It is very thorough - covering all aspects of the show : history, cast, collectibles and highlights of each episode. Brenda Scott Royce is also the founder of the Hogan's Heroes Fan Club.... Whets the appitite, January 4, 2001 Reviewer: marylinus (see more about me) from Scarborough, ON Canada The moment I receive the box containing this book, I gobbled it up [the book, not the box]. A much appreciated 'Red Cross package' for any Hogan's Heroes fan. I particularly enjoyed the episode guide portion. Although it is not a blast by blast account of every bit of dialogue or mayhem per episode [great pity], it is still more detailed than other episode guides of other sit. coms. The few disappointments: 1) Very few pictures, and those that are there are in black and white. 2) Not enough lengthly descriptions of my favorite bits in each plot summary. Still, the author would need to put in every line in every script to satisfy me completely.

10-07-2002, 11:35 PM	#3
buddy love Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 19, 2002 Posts: 189	Thank you for your response. I never knew that Richard wanted to play Hogan. That would have been pretty interesting casting me thinks. It's sad what happened to Bob Crane--no one deserves that--but it must have bugged him that while he (Bob) was reduced to performing at dinner theatres that Richard had become very popular on both the Match Game and Family Feud--sure they were game shows but they attracted big ratings and Dawson certainly reaped the benefits.

10-13-2002, 03:39 AM	#5
Fan of old shows Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 25, 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 417	Dawson makes everyone he works with hate him.

10-13-2002, 10:36 PM	#8
Fan of old shows Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 25, 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 417	there wasnt one nice thing said about Richard Dawson on the Family Feud E story, other than he was a great host which was true. Hell, even Mark Goodson hated Dawson.

10-13-2002, 11:32 PM	#9
dawsongirl Member Forum Icon Join Date: Jan 04, 2001 Posts: 53,128	Note that you said everyone, not everyone on Family Feud. What you said means everyone that he ever worked with, which is utter nonsense. Yes, on Feud he ticked a lot of people off. But you cannot take the word of Howard Felsher as gospel. He didn't like any of the hosts. He was an egomaniac that thought the show should be solely his no matter who the host was. He and Richard butted heads because Richard wouldn't put up with that crap and looking at things, Ray didn't either. Mark stood by Howard for reasons dating back to a time Howard saved his a$$ in the 50s during the quiz show scandals. Richard happens to still be good friends with his HH costar Larry Hovis, trust me. The E! THS made it sound like Cathy Hughart-Dawson (his ex-daughter-in-law and former producer) was still friendly with him. I'm sure he's still friends with others as well.

10-13-2002, 11:44 PM	#10
Fan of old shows Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 25, 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 417	I said everyone he works with.

10-19-2002, 10:19 PM	#12
bandito Going Topless Forum Veteran Join Date: Sep 28, 2002 Location: The Steel City Posts: 6,320	who really cares?

10-24-2002, 09:52 PM	#13
joan davis fan Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Feb 07, 2002 Posts: 179	wasnt Richard Dawson who introduced John Carpenter ( the man who sold video equipment and was later accused of killing Crane ) to Bob Crane? There is a pic I saw recently in one of those taboilds taken of Dawson, Crane, and one of Crane's kids beside some early video equipment. Looked like they were friends to me. Very chilling picture to look at.

10-25-2002, 08:47 PM	#15
Fan of old shows Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 25, 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 417	i in many ways am just like Dawson. i get big headed when im in charge and i just want things my way cuz thats how i think it will be right. and thats gonna get me hated one day because im probably impossible to work with, i dont know.