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purplefuzzycouch · 10-04-2002, 07:06 PM

last night on N@N i finally saw the episode where Lilith leaves frasier i thought that was such a great episode!it almost made me cry when Lilith was talkin to him in Sam's office.but the episode was also funny!what did you think about it?

Brian Damage · 10-04-2002, 07:12 PM

It was a great episode, but after Lilith did that to Frasier, I never looked at her the same way.

purplefuzzycouch · 10-04-2002, 08:42 PM

well how did you look at her before and after that happen?lol i dont know i look at her the same way

callmetootie · 10-04-2002, 08:54 PM

That episode is great, but I think that that was the beginning of the show's downfall into oblivion. As I recall, Cheers was basically put into a stupid situation during it's last season in which the writers refused to come up with new adult comedy, and went to slapstick instead...which didn't work. I recall 2 episodes which were totally unfunny. One was when Carla was blown away by a giant fan, and ths second one where Carla gets trapped in the furnance. They basically gave the show a bad name.

TALLguyinKY · 10-04-2002, 10:11 PM

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Originally posted by briandamage
It was a great episode, but after Lilith did that to Frasier, I never looked at her the same way.

Yeah, but it wasn't all Lilith's fault!

I mean, personally, I'm frustrated with the writers for how they handled the whole situation. Did they have to make her leave him like that? If Bebe wanted to leave the show, couldn't they have done some kinda mutual trial separation between Lilith and Frasier, to make it "feel" better?

I LOOOOOVE Lilith, she's my absolute favorite character on the show by far (and the one I find the funniest), but this two-parter just doesn't feel 100% "real Lilith". I mean, she barely had any humor in the whole hour, and she always has (at least) a few hilarious lines in most of her appearances.

And when she says, "I think I'm in love with him," (meanin' Dr. Pascal), that's one thing, but when she adds, "I'm leaving you"---that just is not Lilith.

It's too cruel and heartless and witchy!

*SIGH*

Well, I just had to vent that. All other Lilith episodes and appearances are priceless ("Oh my God, someone died, didn't they?"--

), but this two-parter just wasn't all there...

Freakzilla · 10-05-2002, 06:56 AM

If you think about it, the writers didn't really have to do anything to write out Lilith. Over the years, there were a lot of episodes where Lilith didn't appear. So it would have made total sense for her to just stop coming to the bar as much. Especially since she said she hated coming to the bar.

I agree that season 11 isn't the best. There were a few funny episodes like the one where Cliff thought Hitler was living in his apartment building and Bar Wars 7. But then you also have episodes like "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad Bar" where, as callmetootie wrote, the show became complete slapstick and not like it was at it's best.

TALLguyinKY · 10-05-2002, 08:26 PM

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Originally posted by Freakzilla
If you think about it, the writers didn't really have to do anything to write out Lilith. Over the years, there were a lot of episodes where Lilith didn't appear. So it would have made total sense for her to just stop coming to the bar as much. Especially since she said she hated coming to the bar.

Yeah, that's so true...and just sad that they didn't do that. Maybe they felt that since Lilith was the least used character of the main cast, they really wanted her to take the show and go out with a bang---unfortunately, not the good kind.

And did Lilith actually say in an episode that she hated coming to the bar? I don't remember her sayin' that, but that'd be funny if she did...

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I agree that season 11 isn't the best. There were a few funny episodes like the one where Cliff thought Hitler was living in his apartment building and Bar Wars 7. But then you also have episodes like "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad Bar" where, as callmetootie wrote, the show became complete slapstick and not like it was at it's best.

Yeah, ya know what? I think that after Woody and Kelly's wedding, the absolute most HILARIOUS hour ever on "Cheers", they should've ended it then.

purplefuzzycouch · 10-05-2002, 09:57 PM

i agree season 11th was not at is best.on the whole lilith thing your right it was not a very good way of her leaving but the episode was still funny!i want frasier and lilith to get back together tho!

Sammy M. Malone · 10-05-2002, 10:03 PM

season 11 was my favorite. although i didnt like this 2 parter. i also think lilith was too sappy. she was never like that. she didnt even talk the same way- her voice was very soft. i hated it. but i guess thats cuz i never really cared for lilith nor frasier...

purplefuzzycouch · 10-06-2002, 07:10 PM

yeah lilith was sappy i think that 2 parter kind of showed her soft side that only probably frasier got to see

AdiTheGame · 10-10-2002, 03:50 PM

IMO, Season 11 was the best season.

The episodes where Lilith left Frasier were funny, but agree that they shouldn't have had her leave that. She could have been home, like in previous episodes. But this lead to lots of funny moments, like Frasier's deep voice saying "Lilith..." and the two-parter "Is There A Doctor In The Howe?" and "The Bar Manager, The Shrink, His Wife, and Her Lover"

10-04-2002, 07:06 PM	#1
purplefuzzycouch Bebe Neuwirth fan! Frequent Poster Join Date: Sep 04, 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 168	Frasier and Lilith last night on N@N i finally saw the episode where Lilith leaves frasier i thought that was such a great episode!it almost made me cry when Lilith was talkin to him in Sam's office.but the episode was also funny!what did you think about it?

10-04-2002, 07:12 PM	#2
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10-04-2002, 08:54 PM	#4
callmetootie Member Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 06, 2001 Location: Clifton Park, NY Posts: 4,768	That episode is great, but I think that that was the beginning of the show's downfall into oblivion. As I recall, Cheers was basically put into a stupid situation during it's last season in which the writers refused to come up with new adult comedy, and went to slapstick instead...which didn't work. I recall 2 episodes which were totally unfunny. One was when Carla was blown away by a giant fan, and ths second one where Carla gets trapped in the furnance. They basically gave the show a bad name.
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10-05-2002, 10:03 PM	#9
Sammy M. Malone Matthew Perry Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 13, 2002 Location: Have Goofy Dreams! Posts: 453	season 11 was my favorite. although i didnt like this 2 parter. i also think lilith was too sappy. she was never like that. she didnt even talk the same way- her voice was very soft. i hated it. but i guess thats cuz i never really cared for lilith nor frasier...
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10-04-2002, 08:42 PM	#3
purplefuzzycouch Bebe Neuwirth fan! Frequent Poster Join Date: Sep 04, 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 168	well how did you look at her before and after that happen?lol i dont know i look at her the same way

10-05-2002, 06:56 AM	#6
Freakzilla Member Forum Regular Join Date: May 23, 2000 Location: Portage, Michigan, United States Posts: 556	If you think about it, the writers didn't really have to do anything to write out Lilith. Over the years, there were a lot of episodes where Lilith didn't appear. So it would have made total sense for her to just stop coming to the bar as much. Especially since she said she hated coming to the bar. I agree that season 11 isn't the best. There were a few funny episodes like the one where Cliff thought Hitler was living in his apartment building and Bar Wars 7. But then you also have episodes like "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad Bar" where, as callmetootie wrote, the show became complete slapstick and not like it was at it's best.

10-05-2002, 09:57 PM	#8
purplefuzzycouch Bebe Neuwirth fan! Frequent Poster Join Date: Sep 04, 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 168	i agree season 11th was not at is best.on the whole lilith thing your right it was not a very good way of her leaving but the episode was still funny!i want frasier and lilith to get back together tho!

10-06-2002, 07:10 PM	#10
purplefuzzycouch Bebe Neuwirth fan! Frequent Poster Join Date: Sep 04, 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 168	yeah lilith was sappy i think that 2 parter kind of showed her soft side that only probably frasier got to see

10-10-2002, 03:50 PM	#11
AdiTheGame Member Frequent Poster Join Date: May 21, 2001 Posts: 121	IMO, Season 11 was the best season. The episodes where Lilith left Frasier were funny, but agree that they shouldn't have had her leave that. She could have been home, like in previous episodes. But this lead to lots of funny moments, like Frasier's deep voice saying "Lilith..." and the two-parter "Is There A Doctor In The Howe?" and "The Bar Manager, The Shrink, His Wife, and Her Lover"