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peachysquirt21 · 03-13-2007, 01:17 AM

Saw this advertised & thought some here would like to tune in.

Jeffrey MacDonald: Time For Truth 48 hours CBS

A former Green Beret doctor, Jeffrey MacDonald, imprisoned for more than 25 years, claims he has new evidence proving he did not kill his family. Correspondent Bill Lagattuta reports, Saturday, March 17, at 10 p.m. ET/PT.

Awsi Dooger · 03-13-2007, 02:19 AM

Safe prediction: no one's mind will be changed, either way.

Jeez, I finally saw my friend Forrest two weeks ago and he gave me the last name of the guy who claims to be MacDonald's old cellmate from the '80s, but now I'm blanking on the name. It's very common. I think it is Murray. So it would be Kenny Murray. Supposedly he shouted at Forrest that he couldn't believe anyone would be skeptical he was MacDonald's cellmate, saying he would provide a social security number or anything else that was necessary. I'm not sure what prison it was in, wherever MacDonald was during the mid '80s.

I've reported before on this forum that Kenny told me MacDonald maintained his innocence and picked apart Fatal Vision piece by piece. His quote to me was, "At least half the guys in prison claim they're innocent. The only one I ever believed was Jeffrey MacDonald."

kadrmas15 · 03-14-2007, 08:33 PM

Yes I agree no one's opinion will be changed by the story. However I look forward to seeing it and seeing Dr. MacDonald whom I believe is innocent. I look forward to hearing what MacDonald has to say.

Awsi Dooger · 03-14-2007, 10:32 PM

BTW, I sent another email to the pro-MacDonald site, this time including Kenny's last name. Supposedly Dr. MacDonald gets a hard copy of every email sent to that site. If I get a reply I'll post it in this forum.

kadrmas15 · 03-14-2007, 10:47 PM

Hey Awsi, well I hope MacDonald or his wife or someone close to him contacts you. I might actually write to MacDonald as in writing a physical letter and sending it to him directly in prison just to let him know I support him and believe in his innocence.

asmitty · 03-15-2007, 12:31 AM

I too am looking forward to this as I believe that Dr. Macdonald is innocent as well. It seemed that no one was even willing to look in a different direction than his during the investigation. God forbid the police not suspect the person who survives a tragedy like that.

peachysquirt21 · 03-17-2007, 10:09 PM

DAMN BASKETBAL GAME!!!! LOL I was so looking forward to watching this now have no clue when it will be on.

robbieasbury · 03-18-2007, 02:24 AM

It will probably be re-scheduled for next saturday, at least I hope so.

Ireneparalegal · 03-18-2007, 08:07 PM

I saw the show and the only "new" info that I was NOT aware of was McDonald and his first parole hearing. I know that he had stated he would never ask for parole since one condition would be that he would have to be remorseful for his crimes, crimes that that he states he didn't commit. Other than that, there was nothing new on this segment

Awsi Dooger · 03-18-2007, 11:27 PM

I doubt they will reschedule it for next Saturday. It aired in the West and could have been only the eastern and central time zones that missed it. Obviously that's most of the country but I'm not sure they'll change the normal schedule in subsequent weeks.

I agree, nothing new in that report. I thought it was balanced. Both sides are very passionate and convinced, and that plays out on message boards also. They showed Dr. MacDonald jogging and he does stay in impressive shape for early 60s. His next parole date is 2020 when he will be 76.

My beef, as I've stated before, is crime scene reconstruction and the idiocy -- from both sides in legal proceedings -- that they can identify what took place; who was there and what happened including in sequence. It's such runaway crappiola but you get a combination of persuasive advocacy and gullible jurists and they believe it. I wish one time you could have a high profile case with crime scene reconstruction claims and a verdict, then the actual tape of the incident shows up and blows crime scene reconstruction nonsense out of the water for all time. I'm sure it will happen one day but who knows how far in the future.

wiseguy182 · 03-19-2007, 06:42 AM

Well, typically if a show is pre-empted, they won't re-run in the next week, but many weeks after. Airing it the following week would probably mess up their whole schedule. There might be some exceptions.

I don't agree with Andy Rooney on everything, but I like his stance on sports: Have them end on time. If a game's not finished by the time limit, whoever is ahead wins. He said this after more or less being pre-empted himself.

Thinman · 03-19-2007, 08:58 AM

Well, what do you know? Another Mac the Knife lovefest.

LooksLikeCRicci · 03-19-2007, 04:28 PM

Ouch.

So, the only "NEW" information included on the 48 Hours involved MacDonald's parole hearing and that he would never express remorse for a crime he didn't commit?

I know his guilt/innocence is a VERY hotly contested topic here on the boards, and I've been in the middle as far as Dr. MacDonald is concerned. THAT comment makes me sway closer to the opinion that I think he's innocent. I can't imagine that prison life is awesome. I can't imagine why someone would CHOOSE to stay there... unless the cost of getting out would be to admit to a crime that they didn't commit.

Perhaps I'm reading too much into it. I'm sure Thinman will have an opinion.

Awsi Dooger · 03-19-2007, 05:30 PM

Regarding the parole hearing, 48 Hours showed a tape that Colleen's father made before his death, when he was ill, and designed to be played at parole hearings. Her brother was also on camera several times, saying he'll be at every parole hearing and it will never end until he's dead or MacDonald is dead. He carries more animosity and vicious facial expressions than anyone else, I guess understandable since he's convinced MacDonald is guilty.

Dick Cavett was on the show, interviewed while watching clips of MacDonald's old appearance on his program. Cavett said MacDonald hit all the wrong notes in terms of tone and themes. Cavett said he tried to make remarks about how awful the situation was, but MacDonald was smiling and seemingly playing to the audience. He was bitter that the Army considered him a suspect and one clip from the program showed MacDonald in apparent glee when people who had tried to charge him had been reassigned within the military.

No doubt MacDonald handicapped the situation poorly and his in-laws were outraged at that TV appearance, but I'll always argue it was representative of what an innocent person would do. If MacDonald intentionally injured himself, puncturing his own lung and pretending to feint, and invented a story about hippies and falsely claimed innocence, then why wouldn't he follow the same ruse theme and go on national television and weep for his wife and kids and ask the audience to help find the real killers? Is he a calculating actor or isn't he? I see stuff like that all the time, conveniently using one argument then dumping it when it doesn't suit your purpose, even within the same case.

LooksLikeCRicci · 03-19-2007, 07:44 PM

Well, I guess if MacDonald ever signs on to do a television show entitled, "If I Did it, Here's How" then I guess we'll have our answers.

Not a comment on past actions by acquitted members of society AT ALL. I'm just sayin'. Sometimes the innocent are locked up and sometimes the guilty go free.

03-13-2007, 01:17 AM	#1
peachysquirt21 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jan 27, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 462	Jeffrey MacDonald 48 Hours 3/17 Saw this advertised & thought some here would like to tune in. Jeffrey MacDonald: Time For Truth 48 hours CBS A former Green Beret doctor, Jeffrey MacDonald, imprisoned for more than 25 years, claims he has new evidence proving he did not kill his family. Correspondent Bill Lagattuta reports, Saturday, March 17, at 10 p.m. ET/PT.

03-18-2007, 08:07 PM	#9
Ireneparalegal LEGAL SPICE ;) Forum Legend Join Date: Jul 25, 2005 Location: OXNARD, CA - WHERE THE DALLAS COWBOYS TRAIN & PRACTICE Posts: 38,689	I saw the show and the only "new" info that I was NOT aware of was McDonald and his first parole hearing. I know that he had stated he would never ask for parole since one condition would be that he would have to be remorseful for his crimes, crimes that that he states he didn't commit. Other than that, there was nothing new on this segment
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03-13-2007, 02:19 AM	#2
Awsi Dooger Member Senior Member Join Date: Feb 18, 2003 Location: Miami Posts: 1,537	Safe prediction: no one's mind will be changed, either way. Jeez, I finally saw my friend Forrest two weeks ago and he gave me the last name of the guy who claims to be MacDonald's old cellmate from the '80s, but now I'm blanking on the name. It's very common. I think it is Murray. So it would be Kenny Murray. Supposedly he shouted at Forrest that he couldn't believe anyone would be skeptical he was MacDonald's cellmate, saying he would provide a social security number or anything else that was necessary. I'm not sure what prison it was in, wherever MacDonald was during the mid '80s. I've reported before on this forum that Kenny told me MacDonald maintained his innocence and picked apart Fatal Vision piece by piece. His quote to me was, "At least half the guys in prison claim they're innocent. The only one I ever believed was Jeffrey MacDonald."

03-14-2007, 08:33 PM	#3
kadrmas15 Retired from Board 03/03/11 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,910	Yes I agree no one's opinion will be changed by the story. However I look forward to seeing it and seeing Dr. MacDonald whom I believe is innocent. I look forward to hearing what MacDonald has to say.

03-14-2007, 10:32 PM	#4
Awsi Dooger Member Senior Member Join Date: Feb 18, 2003 Location: Miami Posts: 1,537	BTW, I sent another email to the pro-MacDonald site, this time including Kenny's last name. Supposedly Dr. MacDonald gets a hard copy of every email sent to that site. If I get a reply I'll post it in this forum.

03-14-2007, 10:47 PM	#5
kadrmas15 Retired from Board 03/03/11 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,910	Hey Awsi, well I hope MacDonald or his wife or someone close to him contacts you. I might actually write to MacDonald as in writing a physical letter and sending it to him directly in prison just to let him know I support him and believe in his innocence.

03-15-2007, 12:31 AM	#6
asmitty Member Forum Regular Join Date: Feb 01, 2007 Location: South Dakota Posts: 523	I too am looking forward to this as I believe that Dr. Macdonald is innocent as well. It seemed that no one was even willing to look in a different direction than his during the investigation. God forbid the police not suspect the person who survives a tragedy like that.

03-17-2007, 10:09 PM	#7
peachysquirt21 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jan 27, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 462	DAMN BASKETBAL GAME!!!! LOL I was so looking forward to watching this now have no clue when it will be on.

03-18-2007, 02:24 AM	#8
robbieasbury Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jul 02, 2005 Posts: 200	It will probably be re-scheduled for next saturday, at least I hope so.

03-18-2007, 11:27 PM	#10
Awsi Dooger Member Senior Member Join Date: Feb 18, 2003 Location: Miami Posts: 1,537	I doubt they will reschedule it for next Saturday. It aired in the West and could have been only the eastern and central time zones that missed it. Obviously that's most of the country but I'm not sure they'll change the normal schedule in subsequent weeks. I agree, nothing new in that report. I thought it was balanced. Both sides are very passionate and convinced, and that plays out on message boards also. They showed Dr. MacDonald jogging and he does stay in impressive shape for early 60s. His next parole date is 2020 when he will be 76. My beef, as I've stated before, is crime scene reconstruction and the idiocy -- from both sides in legal proceedings -- that they can identify what took place; who was there and what happened including in sequence. It's such runaway crappiola but you get a combination of persuasive advocacy and gullible jurists and they believe it. I wish one time you could have a high profile case with crime scene reconstruction claims and a verdict, then the actual tape of the incident shows up and blows crime scene reconstruction nonsense out of the water for all time. I'm sure it will happen one day but who knows how far in the future.

03-19-2007, 06:42 AM	#11
wiseguy182 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 11, 2006 Location: Wendy's salad bar Posts: 7,030	Well, typically if a show is pre-empted, they won't re-run in the next week, but many weeks after. Airing it the following week would probably mess up their whole schedule. There might be some exceptions. I don't agree with Andy Rooney on everything, but I like his stance on sports: Have them end on time. If a game's not finished by the time limit, whoever is ahead wins. He said this after more or less being pre-empted himself.

03-19-2007, 08:58 AM	#12
Thinman Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Apr 08, 2005 Posts: 182	Well, what do you know? Another Mac the Knife lovefest.

03-19-2007, 04:28 PM	#13
LooksLikeCRicci Likes to live in a clean house Moderator Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 27, 2005 Posts: 4,050	Ouch. So, the only "NEW" information included on the 48 Hours involved MacDonald's parole hearing and that he would never express remorse for a crime he didn't commit? I know his guilt/innocence is a VERY hotly contested topic here on the boards, and I've been in the middle as far as Dr. MacDonald is concerned. THAT comment makes me sway closer to the opinion that I think he's innocent. I can't imagine that prison life is awesome. I can't imagine why someone would CHOOSE to stay there... unless the cost of getting out would be to admit to a crime that they didn't commit. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it. I'm sure Thinman will have an opinion.

03-19-2007, 05:30 PM	#14
Awsi Dooger Member Senior Member Join Date: Feb 18, 2003 Location: Miami Posts: 1,537	Regarding the parole hearing, 48 Hours showed a tape that Colleen's father made before his death, when he was ill, and designed to be played at parole hearings. Her brother was also on camera several times, saying he'll be at every parole hearing and it will never end until he's dead or MacDonald is dead. He carries more animosity and vicious facial expressions than anyone else, I guess understandable since he's convinced MacDonald is guilty. Dick Cavett was on the show, interviewed while watching clips of MacDonald's old appearance on his program. Cavett said MacDonald hit all the wrong notes in terms of tone and themes. Cavett said he tried to make remarks about how awful the situation was, but MacDonald was smiling and seemingly playing to the audience. He was bitter that the Army considered him a suspect and one clip from the program showed MacDonald in apparent glee when people who had tried to charge him had been reassigned within the military. No doubt MacDonald handicapped the situation poorly and his in-laws were outraged at that TV appearance, but I'll always argue it was representative of what an innocent person would do. If MacDonald intentionally injured himself, puncturing his own lung and pretending to feint, and invented a story about hippies and falsely claimed innocence, then why wouldn't he follow the same ruse theme and go on national television and weep for his wife and kids and ask the audience to help find the real killers? Is he a calculating actor or isn't he? I see stuff like that all the time, conveniently using one argument then dumping it when it doesn't suit your purpose, even within the same case.

03-19-2007, 07:44 PM	#15
LooksLikeCRicci Likes to live in a clean house Moderator Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 27, 2005 Posts: 4,050	Well, I guess if MacDonald ever signs on to do a television show entitled, "If I Did it, Here's How" then I guess we'll have our answers. Not a comment on past actions by acquitted members of society AT ALL. I'm just sayin'. Sometimes the innocent are locked up and sometimes the guilty go free.