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DVDFreaker · 10-01-2002, 12:13 AM

I am very disappointed that Archie Bunker's Place doesn't have closed caption but I am going to watch it though and as I was watching it, Archie has changed, he just doesn't look the same since the All In The Family Days, does anybody agree?

DarleneIllyria · 10-01-2002, 12:20 AM

I'm sorry it doesn't have CC. Maybe you could search online and get some of the transcripts for ABP? Does anybody know of a good link to find transcripts for ABP?

TV Guy · 10-01-2002, 12:33 AM

I don't think he looks that different from the later years of AITF -- the episode shown tonight was taped just a few months after that last AITF was taped.

That said, I was surprised at how flat this episode was. I haven't seen the show in a long time, and I thought I remembered the first year as being pretty good, since most of the AITF creative team was still on board. But tonight really reminded me that the bar really doesn't work as the setting for entire episodes, which is why Edith was killed off during the second season, so they could set more episodes at the Bunker home.

jerry allen · 10-01-2002, 04:16 AM

I saw the Archie Bunker's Place episode. I didn't think it was flat at all. I laughed the whole time. I thought that the episode was quite good as a "pilot" for what was to come. However, the show actually got more funnier when they added all those wacky characters like Ellen Canby, Ed and Polly Swanson, Gary Rabinowitz, Billie Bunker and Veronica Rooney! The "pilot" only looked bad if you thought it was going to be a non-stop laugh riot like All in the Family. It's not fair to compare the two shows because each had it's own premise and cocept. It was much more an ode to the radio show "Duffy's Tavern" with Ed Gardner as Archie, the bartender/manager.

Smokin' Sods · 10-01-2002, 04:32 AM

Since I hadn't seen the show since the 80s, I wasn't sure what to expect. I guess I was expecting something completely new and different. But, it just felt like one of the later episode of "All In The Family." It had some funny moments, but nothing special. I agree with the person who said that the bar just doesn't really "work" as a setting for the entire show. Obviously it worked for Cheers, but this particular set is just sort of tiny and dull. I was dying to see Archie's house (and Edith for that matter), but they never showed either. Still, I will continue to watch -- I want to see what kind of direction the show takes as we get deeper into the series. I'm also very curious to see how they handle Edith's Death.

DarleneIllyria · 10-01-2002, 03:19 PM

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Originally posted by Smokin' Sods
Since I hadn't seen the show since the 80s, I wasn't sure what to expect. I guess I was expecting something completely new and different. But, it just felt like one of the later episode of "All In The Family." It had some funny moments, but nothing special. I agree with the person who said that the bar just doesn't really "work" as a setting for the entire show. Obviously it worked for Cheers, but this particular set is just sort of tiny and dull. I was dying to see Archie's house (and Edith for that matter), but they never showed either. Still, I will continue to watch -- I want to see what kind of direction the show takes as we get deeper into the series. I'm also very curious to see how they handle Edith's Death.

Ditto

I'll still keep recording, because you never know when ABP will be yanked from the schedule. I'm still dying to see the Edith death episode.

Impressions · 10-01-2002, 06:50 PM

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Originally posted by Jenny
Ditto

I'll still keep recording, because you never know when ABP will be yanked from the schedule. I'm still dying to see the Edith death episode.

I'm also recording the show, because I know it won't be on very long, so I would keep recording because "Archie Bunker's Place" is a part of screen gems, and will not be around most likely after December 31st

DarleneIllyria · 10-02-2002, 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by Classic is Better

I'm also recording the show, because I know it won't be on very long, so I would keep recording because "Archie Bunker's Place" is a part of screen gems, and will not be around most likely after December 31st

I'm still worried they might stall out right in the middle. That would be pretty disappointing if they get to season 3 and stop. I wished they would tack another episode on at 12:30.

TVJunkie101 · 10-02-2002, 03:18 PM

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Originally posted by Jenny

I'm still worried they might stall out right in the middle. That would be pretty disappointing if they get to season 3 and stop. I wished they would tack another episode on at 12:30.

So far, most of the episodes from the Screen Gems deal (Donna Reed, Dennis, Father Knows Best, etc) are at the most, 36. I really hope they show as much of ABP as they can through December. Yeah, CiB is right, the Screen Gems deal expires December 31st. They've only had it since 2001! They should have done more with what they had instead of waiting so long...

I really do have a sinking feeling only the first 36 episodes will be shown.

I do agree, I wasn't thrilled with the first episode(s) it was funny and all, but something is missing from Carroll's performance; something was just different, it's like he was trying too hard to be Archie, it was never that way before. Don't get me wrong, I love Carroll as Archie, but something was just off, to me at least.

I to am taping the show, because it's not going to last on TV Land. And I doubt we'll ever see it again (well for a while anyway).

Sean Snow · 10-02-2002, 06:00 PM

So far I think the show is pretty good. Looking forward to the ones that have Edith in them and the one in which Archie mourns over her death.

DarleneIllyria · 10-02-2002, 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by TVJunkie101

So far, most of the episodes from the Screen Gems deal (Donna Reed, Dennis, Father Knows Best, etc) are at the most, 36. I really hope they show as much of ABP as they can through December. Yeah, CiB is right, the Screen Gems deal expires December 31st. They've only had it since 2001! They should have done more with what they had instead of waiting so long...

I really do have a sinking feeling only the first 36 episodes will be shown.

I do agree, I wasn't thrilled with the pilot, it was funny and all, but something is missing from Carroll's performance; something was just different, it's like he was trying too hard to be Archie, it was never that way before. Don't get me wrong, I love Carroll as Archie, but something was just off, to me at least.

I to am taping the show, because it's not going to last on TV Land. And I doubt we'll ever see it again (well for a while anyway).

You're right. They could've showed them earlier.

I bet tonights episode with Jean will be a lot better than the pilot. I never noticed it until you said something, but Carroll's performance was a little off on the pilot. I guess he was really determined to make this show work. I could understand the forceness if it had been a few years since he did the Archie character, but this show immediately came after All in the Family.

TVJunkie101 · 10-02-2002, 06:48 PM

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Originally posted by Jenny

You're right. They could've showed them earlier.

I bet tonights episode with Jean will be a lot better than the pilot. I never noticed it until you said something, but Carroll's performance was a little off on the pilot. I guess he was really determined to make this show work. I could understand the forceness if it had been a few years since he did the Archie character, but this show immediately came after All in the Family.

Yeah, it just seemed as he was trying too hard; you know? He never had to do that. I am really hoping tonights episode with Jean is better, also, It really left a hole without Jean, but the show will still be enjoyable. I mean, it lasted four years, it couldn't have been that bad. Anyway, I shouldn't just judge on the pilot, so, I'm anticipating tonight's show, and especially the Thanksgiving reunion episodes next week (With Sally, Rob and Jean).

TV Guy · 10-02-2002, 07:36 PM

I'm splitting hairs here, but "Archie's New Partner" was not a pilot. Pilots are made for the purpose of selling the network on a show, and new fall shows generally tape their pilots in the spring. "Archie Bunker's Place" did not need a pilot -- the network considered it a continuation of AITF and didn't need to be sold on it. "Archie's New Partner" was simply the first episode and was taped in late summer at the same time as the other early episodes.

TVJunkie101 · 10-03-2002, 02:48 PM

And the episode with Jean was much better than the first two episodes, I laughed more than I did, but I'll get used to the show, with or without Jean.

DarleneIllyria · 10-03-2002, 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by TVJunkie101

And the episode with Jean was much better than the first two episodes, I laughed more than I did, but I'll get used to the show, with or without Jean.

I agree. It was a lot better with Jean in it.

10-01-2002, 12:13 AM	#1
DVDFreaker Member Forum Regular Join Date: Aug 23, 2002 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 699	Disappointed I am very disappointed that Archie Bunker's Place doesn't have closed caption but I am going to watch it though and as I was watching it, Archie has changed, he just doesn't look the same since the All In The Family Days, does anybody agree?

10-01-2002, 04:16 AM	#4
jerry allen Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Oct 01, 2002 Location: State Route 72/ Ohio Posts: 148	ABP not flat I saw the Archie Bunker's Place episode. I didn't think it was flat at all. I laughed the whole time. I thought that the episode was quite good as a "pilot" for what was to come. However, the show actually got more funnier when they added all those wacky characters like Ellen Canby, Ed and Polly Swanson, Gary Rabinowitz, Billie Bunker and Veronica Rooney! The "pilot" only looked bad if you thought it was going to be a non-stop laugh riot like All in the Family. It's not fair to compare the two shows because each had it's own premise and cocept. It was much more an ode to the radio show "Duffy's Tavern" with Ed Gardner as Archie, the bartender/manager.

10-03-2002, 02:48 PM	#14
TVJunkie101 Member...you 'member? Senior Member Join Date: May 28, 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 2,838	And the episode with Jean was much better than the first two episodes, I laughed more than I did, but I'll get used to the show, with or without Jean.
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10-01-2002, 12:20 AM	#2
DarleneIllyria Gone Forum Star Join Date: Oct 15, 2000 Posts: 19,086	I'm sorry it doesn't have CC. Maybe you could search online and get some of the transcripts for ABP? Does anybody know of a good link to find transcripts for ABP?

10-01-2002, 12:33 AM	#3
TV Guy Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 25, 2001 Location: Boston, MA, USA Posts: 3,419	I don't think he looks that different from the later years of AITF -- the episode shown tonight was taped just a few months after that last AITF was taped. That said, I was surprised at how flat this episode was. I haven't seen the show in a long time, and I thought I remembered the first year as being pretty good, since most of the AITF creative team was still on board. But tonight really reminded me that the bar really doesn't work as the setting for entire episodes, which is why Edith was killed off during the second season, so they could set more episodes at the Bunker home.

10-01-2002, 04:32 AM	#5
Smokin' Sods Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jul 27, 2001 Posts: 133	Since I hadn't seen the show since the 80s, I wasn't sure what to expect. I guess I was expecting something completely new and different. But, it just felt like one of the later episode of "All In The Family." It had some funny moments, but nothing special. I agree with the person who said that the bar just doesn't really "work" as a setting for the entire show. Obviously it worked for Cheers, but this particular set is just sort of tiny and dull. I was dying to see Archie's house (and Edith for that matter), but they never showed either. Still, I will continue to watch -- I want to see what kind of direction the show takes as we get deeper into the series. I'm also very curious to see how they handle Edith's Death.

10-02-2002, 06:00 PM	#10
Sean Snow moo Forum Fanatic Join Date: May 06, 2001 Location: Georgia Posts: 10,408	So far I think the show is pretty good. Looking forward to the ones that have Edith in them and the one in which Archie mourns over her death.

10-02-2002, 07:36 PM	#13
TV Guy Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 25, 2001 Location: Boston, MA, USA Posts: 3,419	I'm splitting hairs here, but "Archie's New Partner" was not a pilot. Pilots are made for the purpose of selling the network on a show, and new fall shows generally tape their pilots in the spring. "Archie Bunker's Place" did not need a pilot -- the network considered it a continuation of AITF and didn't need to be sold on it. "Archie's New Partner" was simply the first episode and was taped in late summer at the same time as the other early episodes.